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(Slashdot)   Investors demand Bill Gates leave Microsoft. Fine, Bill will go cry on his giant Mount Everest of $100 bills   (slashdot.org) divider line 68
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2013-10-02 04:31:32 PM
They should demand Windows 8 get treated like that season of Dallas and pretend it was all just a horrible dream.  Shipping Windows 7.1 any day now!
 
2013-10-02 05:17:14 PM
Headline: Investors Want Bill Gates Gone from Microsoft
Second damn sentence of the article: Those three investors hold roughly five percent of Microsoft's stock.

You're fired, Kolakowski.
 
2013-10-02 05:23:46 PM
Since MS became huge and dominated the market under gates and is going to hell under Balmer I'd have thought they'd be demanding he come back, like Jobs returned to Apple.
 
2013-10-02 05:25:42 PM

Flint Ironstag: Since MS became huge and dominated the market under gates and is going to hell under Balmer I'd have thought they'd be demanding he come back, like Jobs returned to Apple.


I thought the same. Ballmer is the reason why Microsoft has sucked last several years, not Gates. Although it is Gates' fault that Ballmer was CEO in the first place.
 
2013-10-02 05:26:30 PM

syrynxx: They should demand Windows 8 get treated like that season of Dallas and pretend it was all just a horrible dream.  Shipping Windows 7.1 any day now!


More like:

Now introducing Windows 8 Desktop, Windows 8 Convertible, and Windows 8 Tablet editions! You can now choose your experience! But it turns out that Kristin really did shoot RT and it's dead forever.
 
2013-10-02 05:30:11 PM
I think Bill is part of the problem. I understand the Microsoft vs Apple rivalry, but when you forbid your kids from owning or using an Apple product, you're going a bit far.

Sure it might look bad if Junior Gates is using and iPod, but make a device that he/she actually WANTS to use, not force them to use your crappy device.

Maybe if MS spent more time figuring out what people actually want in a device instead of trying to squash any competition and spending millions on marketing campaigns, they'd actually gain some market share.
 
2013-10-02 05:36:24 PM

ancker: I think Bill is part of the problem. I understand the Microsoft vs Apple rivalry, but when you forbid your kids from owning or using an Apple product, you're going a bit far.

Sure it might look bad if Junior Gates is using and iPod, but make a device that he/she actually WANTS to use, not force them to use your crappy device.

Maybe if MS spent more time figuring out what people actually want in a device instead of trying to squash any competition and spending millions Billionson marketing campaigns, they'd actually gain some market share.


FTFY

Their engineers were coming up with ideas for features that ended up being released in Facebook, but their project managers shot them down.
 
2013-10-02 05:42:18 PM
Instead of linking to a blog post about the actual story, why not link to the actual story?
If I wanted to read slashdot, I'd go to slashdot.
 
2013-10-02 05:51:51 PM
Perhaps they think Gates really is a roadblock to change; perhaps they just want a chance to gut and loot the company.
 
2013-10-02 05:54:55 PM
Bill Gates and his posse are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds, of unnecessary incompatibilities that prevent technology from working together properly.

I'd rather see him stick to philanthropy.
 
2013-10-02 06:01:24 PM
I've heard it said that at his peak earning period, if someone had laid a $50,000 bill on the ground in front of him and told him that was his to keep by simply picking it up off the ground, but that he could only do so under the condition that he forego all other income he would've obtained from any other sources during the time it would take him to do so, that he'd walk off and leave it. It wouldn't be worth it to him. It'd be a net loss.
 
2013-10-02 06:21:09 PM

COMALite J: I've heard it said that at his peak earning period, if someone had laid a $50,000 bill on the ground in front of him and told him that was his to keep by simply picking it up off the ground, but that he could only do so under the condition that he forego all other income he would've obtained from any other sources during the time it would take him to do so, that he'd walk off and leave it. It wouldn't be worth it to him. It'd be a net loss.


You'd think he'd pick it up just for the novelty of having the only $50,000 bill in existence.
 
2013-10-02 06:21:27 PM

MrEricSir: Bill Gates and his posse are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds, of unnecessary incompatibilities that prevent technology from working together properly.

I'd rather see him stick to philanthropy.


Actually the patent wars are the real cause for the incompatibility issues.. Remember that they had to rewrite several pieces of software just for that stupid XML patent..
 
2013-10-02 06:24:21 PM
Maybe if Bill paid a little more attention to his company and a little less to starving kids in Africa, they wouldn't have $900 million worth of Surface tablets on warehouse shelves.
 
2013-10-02 06:26:57 PM
Gates technically handed over the company to Ballmer in 2000, but he stayed in charge de facto through 2008, as chairman and "chief software architect".  He didn't make picayune decisions, but he controlled the strategy.  He was the one who pushed hard on Tablet PCs at $2000 a pop, and squashed Courier.  Him "coming back" would be nothing like Jobs' return to Apple.  It would be like Dick Cheney becoming president in 2009.

Just walk away.  Please.  Let someone new breathe life back into MS, before it turns to 100% Modern flavored shiat.
 
2013-10-02 06:29:41 PM

irving47: Maybe if Bill paid a little more attention to his company and a little less to starving kids in Africa, they wouldn't have $900 million worth of Surface tablets on warehouse shelves.


Actually, I suspect he isn't in on the day to day decisions that made RT a mess.
Those who did are probably mounting the charge to get Microsoft further involved in all kinds of markets that its been failing at.
 
2013-10-02 06:30:55 PM

COMALite J: I've heard it said that at his peak earning period, if someone had laid a $50,000 bill on the ground in front of him and told him that was his to keep by simply picking it up off the ground, but that he could only do so under the condition that he forego all other income he would've obtained from any other sources during the time it would take him to do so, that he'd walk off and leave it. It wouldn't be worth it to him. It'd be a net loss.


That is about a million dollars a minute (50k x 20). I'm sure he had product launches or meetings worth that much, but if he was earning that much for a month, that would be nearly 44 billion dollars a month. If you use 50k x 30 he's making 65 Billion a month. At his peak in 1999, he "only" was worth 101 Billion.
 
2013-10-02 06:37:53 PM

MrEricSir: Bill Gates and his posse are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds, of unnecessary incompatibilities that prevent technology from working together properly.


I'm not defending Bill, but to be fair, their customers would have been seriously p*ssed if MS hasn't preserved backwards compatibility. That's not to say that Windows 8 needs DOS 3.1 support, but there's probably a point (somewhere around Windows 98) where they should have cut the cord so we could all move forward.
 
2013-10-02 06:54:15 PM
Rumored frontrunners for the CEO slot include[...] outgoing Nokia CEO Stephen Elop.

That explains a lot, actually.
 
2013-10-02 06:58:06 PM

ImpendingCynic: MrEricSir: Bill Gates and his posse are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds, of unnecessary incompatibilities that prevent technology from working together properly.

I'm not defending Bill, but to be fair, their customers would have been seriously p*ssed if MS hasn't preserved backwards compatibility. That's not to say that Windows 8 needs DOS 3.1 support, but there's probably a point (somewhere around Windows 98) where they should have cut the cord so we could all move forward.


That's still no excuse for many things, for example their socket interface is a ripoff of BSD sockets with a few parameters changed slightly just to prevent code from cross-compiling. Or their implementation of Java, which eventually got them sued and was a big reason Java never caught on on the desktop. Or...
 
2013-10-02 07:38:38 PM

syrynxx: They should demand Windows 8 get treated like that season of Dallas and pretend it was all just a horrible dream.  Shipping Windows 7.1 any day now!


That is beyond dumb. Face it the PC is going away. Long live the PC.

(It means you are going to be using Surface like devices)
 
2013-10-02 08:01:14 PM

ImpendingCynic: MrEricSir: Bill Gates and his posse are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds, of unnecessary incompatibilities that prevent technology from working together properly.

I'm not defending Bill, but to be fair, their customers would have been seriously p*ssed if MS hasn't preserved backwards compatibility. That's not to say that Windows 8 needs DOS 3.1 support, but there's probably a point (somewhere around Windows 98) where they should have cut the cord so we could all move forward.


I For one am okay with the notion that if I wanted to do some creative installing of various legacy drivers, I can get Redneck Rampage to run on a Modern PC with out the need to run in it an emulator.
 
2013-10-02 08:03:10 PM

Intrepid00: syrynxx: They should demand Windows 8 get treated like that season of Dallas and pretend it was all just a horrible dream.  Shipping Windows 7.1 any day now!

That is beyond dumb. Face it the PC is going away. Long live the PC.

(It means you are going to be using Surface like devices)


There is no way in hell I will ever be using a Surface-like device running Windows 8, as long as it can only obtain touch-centric Apps from MS's store.  I'll go 100% Android first.
 
2013-10-02 08:12:21 PM

way south: irving47: Maybe if Bill paid a little more attention to his company and a little less to starving kids in Africa, they wouldn't have $900 million worth of Surface tablets on warehouse shelves.

Actually, I suspect he isn't in on the day to day decisions that made RT a mess.
Those who did are probably mounting the charge to get Microsoft further involved in all kinds of markets that its been failing at.


You're talking about the guy who was sticking it in the developer for Microsoft Bob.

/he later married her.
 
2013-10-02 08:18:16 PM
While Bill Gates is working to entirely eliminate malaria some douche named "Jobs" is taking it easy and being dead.
 
2013-10-02 08:36:40 PM

red5ish: While Bill Gates is working to entirely eliminate malaria some douche named "Jobs" is taking it easy and being dead.


That's actually one of the gripes from the three investors - Bill Gates isn't working full-time to make them rich, what with his humanitarian projects and global focus.
 
2013-10-02 08:37:52 PM

syrynxx: They should demand Windows 8 get treated like that season of Dallas and pretend it was all just a horrible dream.  Shipping Windows 7.1 any day now!


That meme is wrong and stupid.

---

What they want it to sell of Windows Mobile, Xbox etc. And Ballmer/Gates doesn´t.

They to sell it off because it will make Microsofts stocks surge, so they can cash out, and fark the future of Microsoft.
 
2013-10-02 08:54:11 PM
Investors at the beginning of the year: "Remove Balmer!! Remove Balmer!!" And now Steve Balmer is stepping down.

Now? What's the rally cry? "Out with Gates!! Out with Gates!!"

Next? "Spin off Windows & Office!! Increase our dividend!!"


/meanwhile, MS keeps making billions upon billions every quarter.
 
2013-10-02 09:08:48 PM
I thought Bill Gates was retired?
 
2013-10-02 09:18:32 PM

Saners: Headline: Investors Want Bill Gates Gone from Microsoft
Second damn sentence of the article: Those three investors hold roughly five percent of Microsoft's stock.


Americans Want War With Australia!
(Two crazy guys on the internet want the US to go to war with Australia.)
 
2013-10-02 09:39:28 PM

MrEricSir: Or their implementation of Java, which eventually got them sued and was a big reason Java never caught on on the desktop.


Java still exists but it's popularity declined because (a) most people were introduced to it through applets, which sucked (b) write once, test everywhere because it never lived up to it's most basic promise (c) SUN ignored the Java community, dribbling out fixes slower than molasses at the North Pole, and (d) Oracle doesn't give a damn about Java, it's just another thing in their portfolio to consume resources. But let me guess, 2013 would be the Year of Linux on the Desktop or some nonsense if Microsoft wasn't working with the grey aliens to keep you down.

Java is fine for server tasks. On the desktop, it's mostly used for malware. Microsoft dropped their VM over a decade ago so you can't really blame that suck on them. SUN and Oracle had plenty of time to do something with it. They chose to string along Java fans because they could get away with it. Your post blaming Microsoft's virtual machine that has long been gone shows just how right they were.
 
2013-10-02 10:02:54 PM

EngineerAU: MrEricSir: Or their implementation of Java, which eventually got them sued and was a big reason Java never caught on on the desktop.

Java still exists but it's popularity declined because (a) most people were introduced to it through applets, which sucked (b) write once, test everywhere because it never lived up to it's most basic promise (c) SUN ignored the Java community, dribbling out fixes slower than molasses at the North Pole, and (d) Oracle doesn't give a damn about Java, it's just another thing in their portfolio to consume resources. But let me guess, 2013 would be the Year of Linux on the Desktop or some nonsense if Microsoft wasn't working with the grey aliens to keep you down.

Java is fine for server tasks. On the desktop, it's mostly used for malware. Microsoft dropped their VM over a decade ago so you can't really blame that suck on them. SUN and Oracle had plenty of time to do something with it. They chose to string along Java fans because they could get away with it. Your post blaming Microsoft's virtual machine that has long been gone shows just how right they were.


You're missing the entire point here -- Microsoft dropped their JVM because they refused to play by the rules, and Sun sued them over it. If that hadn't happened, Java would have come by default on most computers.

And if that was true, it's pretty reasonable to assume that things would have turned out very differently for desktop Java. Maybe Sun would have bought Oracle instead of the other way around. Who knows.
 
2013-10-02 10:16:09 PM
Whoever was responsible for Windows 8, Windows Vista and the F***ing ribbon in office shouldn't be fired, they should be fired upon.
 
2013-10-02 10:20:22 PM

Intrepid00: syrynxx: They should demand Windows 8 get treated like that season of Dallas and pretend it was all just a horrible dream.  Shipping Windows 7.1 any day now!

That is beyond dumb. Face it the PC is going away. Long live the PC.

(It means you are going to be using Surface like devices)


Then what the hell am I going to write software on for the millions of mindless drones?  A banana?  The barrel of a cross-cross-dressing Thai hooker's .38 special who sometimes believes in Scientology?  I need to know so I can book a conference for next year!
 
2013-10-02 10:31:39 PM

HeartBurnKid: There is no way in hell I will ever be using a Surface-like device running Windows 8, as long as it can only obtain touch-centric Apps from MS's store.  I'll go 100% Android first.


+1. And I have 6 PCs running Windows 7 at my work, plus one on W7 embedded and one server 2008.  Fark farking modern UI bullshiat, it is worse than useless to me.
 
2013-10-02 10:43:17 PM
I got to play with a Surface RT tablet today. It's actually a very nice device, even if no one wants it. I'm waiting until February - after Xmas and with the Surface 2 out, I expect there to be a drastic closeout on their unsold Surface RT tablets. But only if it comes with an upgrade to Windows 8.1.
 
2013-10-02 11:06:18 PM

COMALite J: I've heard it said that at his peak earning period, if someone had laid a $50,000 bill on the ground in front of him and told him that was his to keep by simply picking it up off the ground, but that he could only do so under the condition that he forego all other income he would've obtained from any other sources during the time it would take him to do so, that he'd walk off and leave it. It wouldn't be worth it to him. It'd be a net loss.


I think it was a $1000 bill, not $50,000. He was earning something like $500 a second at one point.
 
2013-10-02 11:09:39 PM

MrEricSir: You're missing the entire point here -- Microsoft dropped their JVM because they refused to play by the rules, and Sun sued them over it. If that hadn't happened, Java would have come by default on most computers.

And if that was true, it's pretty reasonable to assume that things would have turned out very differently for desktop Java. Maybe Sun would have bought Oracle instead of the other way around. Who knows.


Maybe. But considering how buggy, bloated and slow it was, I don't think it would've unless Sun had really improved it.
 
2013-10-02 11:50:16 PM

machoprogrammer: MrEricSir: You're missing the entire point here -- Microsoft dropped their JVM because they refused to play by the rules, and Sun sued them over it. If that hadn't happened, Java would have come by default on most computers.

And if that was true, it's pretty reasonable to assume that things would have turned out very differently for desktop Java. Maybe Sun would have bought Oracle instead of the other way around. Who knows.

Maybe. But considering how buggy, bloated and slow it was, I don't think it would've unless Sun had really improved it.


Microsoft never made it past Java 1.1 as far as I can recall. Sun's first few JVM's were pretty mediocre as well.
 
2013-10-03 12:18:48 AM

macdaddy357: Whoever was responsible for Windows 8, Windows Vista and the F***ing ribbon in office shouldn't be fired, they should be fired upon.


That's Ballmer and he stepped down already, so congratulations!
 
2013-10-03 01:05:31 AM

Saners: Headline: Investors Want Bill Gates Gone from Microsoft
Second damn sentence of the article: Those three investors hold roughly five percent of Microsoft's stock.

You're fired, Kolakowski.


An unamed source reports that 3 unamed investors who together own 5 percent of the stock want Gates out.

Im sure that will happen.
 
2013-10-03 01:18:39 AM

feanorn: Perhaps they think Gates really is a roadblock to change; perhaps they just want a chance to gut and loot the company.


I'm totally down with that.
 
2013-10-03 07:54:15 AM

ImpendingCynic: MrEricSir: Bill Gates and his posse are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds, of unnecessary incompatibilities that prevent technology from working together properly.

I'm not defending Bill, but to be fair, their customers would have been seriously p*ssed if MS hasn't preserved backwards compatibility. That's not to say that Windows 8 needs DOS 3.1 support, but there's probably a point (somewhere around Windows 98) where they should have cut the cord so we could all move forward.


With Virtual PC they literally have a way to keep backward compatibility forever while still starting over from scratch. They apparently just lack the will to do it.

And just to note (also from the article) those three now own a larger share of MS than Gates himself does.
 
2013-10-03 08:14:08 AM

macdaddy357: Whoever was responsible for Windows 8, Windows Vista and the F***ing ribbon in office shouldn't be fired, they should be fired upon.


Vista is leaps and bounds better than win 8 is upon release.

Most people hated vista because the crappy p4 with 512 ram was having a tough go of it.
Windows 8 is just plain old crappy and counter intuitive.
 
2013-10-03 09:19:27 AM
What people who can't adjust to "Modern" UI may look like:

1.bp.blogspot.com

If you can learn CLI, you can learn Windows 8. Adjust and move on.
 
2013-10-03 09:20:36 AM

CheatCommando:

And just to note (also from the article) those three now own a larger share of MS than Gates himself does.


Interesting that Gates now reduced share of MS stock, 5%, is the same percentage of shares in Apple that Jobs had, yet he still ruled Apple with a rod of iron.
 
2013-10-03 09:26:54 AM

spentshells: macdaddy357: Whoever was responsible for Windows 8, Windows Vista and the F***ing ribbon in office shouldn't be fired, they should be fired upon.

Vista is leaps and bounds better than win 8 is upon release.

Most people hated vista because the crappy p4 with 512 ram was having a tough go of it.
Windows 8 is just plain old crappy and counter intuitive.


Agree about the counter intuitive part. I consider myself tech savvy and have used PCs for years yet the first time I used a Metro app it took me ages to find out how to close the damn thing. The little Max/Min/Close icons on every Windows window for the last twenty years had been replaced by an invisible gesture, as well as many other common functions.

However I disagree about the crappy part. The underlying OS is rock solid and runs far faster than my previous OS, though to be fair that was XP, and once I installed Classic Shell to restore the Start button and menu it works very well. It also handles dual monitors far better than any earlier Windows OS.
 
2013-10-03 09:42:29 AM

Marine1: What people who can't adjust to "Modern" UI may look like:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x533]

If you can learn CLI, you can learn Windows 8. Adjust and move on.


So if Honda decided to unify their controls across their entire range of vehicles, by replacing the steering wheel, gear lever and foot pedals of their cars with handlebars, foot gear change and hand throttle and brake, you'd say "Get used to it people!"?

Because that is the exact analogy. MS giving desktop PCs and hand held tablets the same controls is the same as giving cars and bikes the same controls. Car controls and bike controls have evolved to suit the huge differences between cars and bikes, just as desktop PCs and tablets have evolved to suit the way people use them. Touching the screen of a tablet you are holding in your lap is intuitive. Stretching your arm out straight to touch the screen of your PC on your desk is tiring and slow.

You may say there are keyboard shortcuts for desktop users so they don't have to use the touch controls, but then if W8 can have different sets of controls then why not keep the traditional XP/Vista/7 controls as well? Classic Shell proves it can be done and works extremely well. I have the traditional Start button and menu but still have all the charms and hot corners (though I can turn them off if I choose) so what possible reason did MS have in removing those controls other than to try and force people to use the new touch interface?

In other words they decided to remove the interface that millions of people were experienced and comfortable with in order to try to increase their market share of tablets. They knowingly made their OS harder and less intuitive to use for their own commercial reasons.

Yes, people can adapt. But why should they? What advantage would they gain by adapting? No wonder many people, like me, chose to simply add Classic Shell and just carry on using the OS the same way we have been using Windows for years. I don't want to have to think about using an OS. When I'm using my PC I want to be thinking about what I'm writing, not trying to remember what secret button combination I have to press to do something, just as when I drive a car I don't have to think about what pedal to press if I want to stop.
 
2013-10-03 09:45:42 AM

Flint Ironstag: Marine1: What people who can't adjust to "Modern" UI may look like:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x533]

If you can learn CLI, you can learn Windows 8. Adjust and move on.

So if Honda decided to unify their controls across their entire range of vehicles, by replacing the steering wheel, gear lever and foot pedals of their cars with handlebars, foot gear change and hand throttle and brake, you'd say "Get used to it people!"?

Because that is the exact analogy. MS giving desktop PCs and hand held tablets the same controls is the same as giving cars and bikes the same controls. Car controls and bike controls have evolved to suit the huge differences between cars and bikes, just as desktop PCs and tablets have evolved to suit the way people use them. Touching the screen of a tablet you are holding in your lap is intuitive. Stretching your arm out straight to touch the screen of your PC on your desk is tiring and slow.

You may say there are keyboard shortcuts for desktop users so they don't have to use the touch controls, but then if W8 can have different sets of controls then why not keep the traditional XP/Vista/7 controls as well? Classic Shell proves it can be done and works extremely well. I have the traditional Start button and menu but still have all the charms and hot corners (though I can turn them off if I choose) so what possible reason did MS have in removing those controls other than to try and force people to use the new touch interface?

In other words they decided to remove the interface that millions of people were experienced and comfortable with in order to try to increase their market share of tablets. They knowingly made their OS harder and less intuitive to use for their own commercial reasons.

Yes, people can adapt. But why should they? What advantage would they gain by adapting? No wonder many people, like me, chose to simply add Classic Shell and just carry on using the OS the same way we have been using Windows for years. I don't want to have ...


*sigh*

Let me go get you your bottle.
 
2013-10-03 09:54:16 AM

Marine1: Flint Ironstag: Marine1: What people who can't adjust to "Modern" UI may look like:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x533]

If you can learn CLI, you can learn Windows 8. Adjust and move on.

So if Honda decided to unify their controls across their entire range of vehicles, by replacing the steering wheel, gear lever and foot pedals of their cars with handlebars, foot gear change and hand throttle and brake, you'd say "Get used to it people!"?

Because that is the exact analogy. MS giving desktop PCs and hand held tablets the same controls is the same as giving cars and bikes the same controls. Car controls and bike controls have evolved to suit the huge differences between cars and bikes, just as desktop PCs and tablets have evolved to suit the way people use them. Touching the screen of a tablet you are holding in your lap is intuitive. Stretching your arm out straight to touch the screen of your PC on your desk is tiring and slow.

You may say there are keyboard shortcuts for desktop users so they don't have to use the touch controls, but then if W8 can have different sets of controls then why not keep the traditional XP/Vista/7 controls as well? Classic Shell proves it can be done and works extremely well. I have the traditional Start button and menu but still have all the charms and hot corners (though I can turn them off if I choose) so what possible reason did MS have in removing those controls other than to try and force people to use the new touch interface?

In other words they decided to remove the interface that millions of people were experienced and comfortable with in order to try to increase their market share of tablets. They knowingly made their OS harder and less intuitive to use for their own commercial reasons.

Yes, people can adapt. But why should they? What advantage would they gain by adapting? No wonder many people, like me, chose to simply add Classic Shell and just carry on using the OS the same way we have been using Windows for years. I don't want to have ...

*sigh*

Let me go get you your bottle.


So you can't actually answer my points then? I think that says it all.
 
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