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(Japan Times)   Hero: Woman rushes on to tracks to save a 70-year old man who had fallen from an oncoming train. Sad: she was able to get him to safety, but not herself   (japantimes.co.jp) divider line 64
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2013-10-02 03:36:16 PM

YOKOHAMA - A woman was struck and killed by a train Tuesday after rushing onto a Yokohama railroad crossing and moving to safety a 74-year-old man she saw lying on the tracks, police said.


Why was the guy lying on the tracks? I hope she didn't die saving someone who wanted to kill himself. :-(
 
2013-10-02 03:36:27 PM
Indeed, the definition of a hero.
 
2013-10-02 03:36:31 PM
this is lose lose situation.. looks like suicide to me...if the man had wanted to kill himself then, he would REALLY REALLY want to kill himself now!!!
 
2013-10-02 03:36:53 PM
Typical, man gets off and she doesn't.
 
2013-10-02 03:37:11 PM
I know this won't be a popular opinion but there's a fine line between hero and dumbass. I think she's on the dumbass side of the line.
 
2013-10-02 03:37:50 PM
Why did she climb into the path of the train?  Why didn't she just grab his ankles and pull?!  It seems a physical absurdity to do it any other way to begin with.
 
2013-10-02 03:38:13 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Typical, man gets off and she doesn't.


My coworkers are staring at me wondering what's so funny.
 
2013-10-02 03:38:15 PM
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I salute this heroine.
 
2013-10-02 03:38:47 PM

SuperNinjaToad: this is lose lose situation.. looks like suicide to me...if the man had wanted to kill himself then, he would REALLY REALLY want to kill himself now!!!


Could go either way.

"Hm, I really can't kill myself now, she gave her life to give me a little more of mine."
 
2013-10-02 03:38:47 PM
That wasn't an efficient trade of lifespans. A new Alanis Morissete song is in the works.
 
2013-10-02 03:39:07 PM
I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him.   There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.

I think this is called a "straw man" fallacy/argument.
 
2013-10-02 03:41:15 PM
The family talked to a lawyer and decided they will Natsue.
 
2013-10-02 03:41:15 PM
I work as a hospice nurse and Berta is my patient. She keeps telling me that in Norway, there's a tradition to open the window so the soul can depart. But I keep telling her "not tonight Berta, not tonight" and I shut the window. She always looks at me like I'm the biggest farking biatch in the world.
 
2013-10-02 03:41:42 PM
Wow.  That really isn't a good example for long time species survival.  A really old male, vs a much younger and still possibly breedable female?  Tsk-tsk.  There's a reason it's women and children first, gentlemen.
 
2013-10-02 03:41:56 PM
Hero tag? Really?
 
2013-10-02 03:42:29 PM

Hankie Fest: I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him.   There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.

I think this is called a "straw man" fallacy/argument.


It isn't a strawman. Nobody is conjecturing what the other side's argument is then tearing down the argument.

They are merely offering assumptions.
 
2013-10-02 03:43:35 PM

Hankie Fest: I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him.   There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.

I think this is called a "straw man" fallacy/argument.


People who fall off trains generally go to the side. Those open rear decks have been gone for 50 years. Darwin found a sucker, so this should be Sad, not Hero.
 
2013-10-02 03:44:10 PM

Hankie Fest


I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him. There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.


A) We're speculating, not shouting the truth from the rooftops. It is a reasonable hypothesis.

B) By all means, please share with us a few dozen of the "million possibilities" for a 74-year-old man to be lying on the railroad tracks in front of an oncoming train when he was (obviously) not physically immobilized. We'll wait.
 
2013-10-02 03:44:25 PM
The reaper came to take a soul, and a soul it took.
 
2013-10-02 03:44:29 PM
moot point in terms of fitness: there were moth past prime in terms of procreation, therefore it is a push.

/SWIDT?
 
2013-10-02 03:44:34 PM
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2013-10-02 03:45:19 PM

durbnpoisn: Why did she climb into the path of the train?  Why didn't she just grab his ankles and pull?!  It seems a physical absurdity to do it any other way to begin with.


Anyone who's ever seen a Japanese drama knows that the proper way to save someone from getting run over is to shove them out of the way, remaining in place billiard-ball-style to take the hit yourself.
 
2013-10-02 03:47:54 PM

madgonad: Hankie Fest: I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him.   There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.

I think this is called a "straw man" fallacy/argument.

People who fall off trains generally go to the side. Those open rear decks have been gone for 50 years. Darwin found a sucker, so this should be Sad, not Hero.


I don't think he fell off a train. The headline should be read as, "save a 70-year old man who had fallen ... from an oncoming train" not "save a 70-year old man ... who had fallen from an oncoming train".
 
2013-10-02 03:48:20 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: YOKOHAMA - A woman was struck and killed by a train Tuesday after rushing onto a Yokohama railroad crossing and moving to safety a 74-year-old man she saw lying on the tracks, police said.


Why was the guy lying on the tracks? I hope she didn't die saving someone who wanted to kill himself. :-(


It's Japan; the old guy was, probably, trying to kill himself. I watched a documentary the other day about a Japanize train station. They have a suicide attempt at least once a week. Most of the time; the person that is attempting to kill themselves is successful. Japan is a wierd about success and honor. They don't take being fired well; or failure.
 
2013-10-02 03:48:28 PM
Person vs. Train?  THAT'S NOT HOW KAMIKAZE'S WORK!
 
2013-10-02 03:48:55 PM
Woman rushes on to tracks to save a 70-year old man who had fallen from an oncoming train

Is this one of those theory of relativity test questions?
 
2013-10-02 03:49:54 PM

Skyrmion: Anyone who's ever seen a Japanese drama knows that the proper way to save someone from getting run over is to shove them out of the way, remaining in place billiard-ball-style to take the hit yourself


That was the way the scenario played in my head when I started reading the article. When I saw that the man was reportedly "laying on the tracks", I couldn't think of any logical way the scene could play out that would leave him alive, and her dead. Unless the author is a just poor writer, something is not quite right here...
 
2013-10-02 03:49:58 PM

Hankie Fest: I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him.   There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.

I think this is called a "straw man" fallacy/argument.


This is Japan, where suicide by train is an almost daily occurrence. It's still an assumption, but a fairly likely one. Typically older men commit suicide when the feel they have failed in their responsibilities to their family. An elderly man would be a good candidate for this line of thought.

Since the chance that this was a suicide attempt is quite high, it's natural to weigh the value of the life of someone who would go out of their way to help another against the life of someone who has chosen to die.
 
2013-10-02 03:49:59 PM
He fell from an oncoming train?
 
2013-10-02 03:55:10 PM
Has anyone pointed out that the headline is poorly worded and confusing? Oh. OK, carry on then.
 
2013-10-02 03:55:49 PM
"She was able to get him to safety, but not herself"

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Finds that ironic
 
2013-10-02 03:57:10 PM
He was crossing the tracks and he tripped and fell and got knocked out. Improbable but bam, there's a scenario with no suicide involved.

It is sad that she died in trying to prevent what could very well be an elderly suicide attempt, but just because someone wants to kill themselves doesn't mean everyone is content to sit and watch. Just most farkers. Maybe the guy will change his tune and go on to do something for someone else.  Hope I never need help from any of ya'll so you can think of 20 excuses not to act

Wait, what if SHE wanted to commit suicide and this was the perfect excuse! bum bum bum
 
2013-10-02 04:02:34 PM
Was she hot?
 
2013-10-02 04:04:20 PM

LewDux


Was she hot?


Nah, she's pretty flat.
 
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2013-10-02 04:05:56 PM
He owes that father for 1 life. I hope he lives long and finds a way to pay back her immeasurable gift.
 
2013-10-02 04:07:51 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Hankie Fest

I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him. There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.


A) We're speculating, not shouting the truth from the rooftops. It is a reasonable hypothesis.

B) By all means, please share with us a few dozen of the "million possibilities" for a 74-year-old man to be lying on the railroad tracks in front of an oncoming train when he was (obviously) not physically immobilized. We'll wait.


He was drunk.
He was crazy
He has epilepsy/narcolepsy
He fell and could not get up
Someone knocked him out while he was looking for pennies
A giant wasp paralyzed him and flew him there
He was stapled to a chicken
 
2013-10-02 04:16:27 PM

Hankie Fest: I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him.   There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.

I think this is called a "straw man" fallacy/argument.


It doesn't matter if he was trying to kill himself. Instead of pulling him to safety from the side of the tracks, she decided to stand in the middle of the tracks and push him out of the way, like a dumbass.

I say the government should put up some kind of signage or markings on the ground that can warn people about the path that a train will take. We need to do something about these large and dangerous machines that keep sneaking up on people!
 
2013-10-02 04:31:24 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: YOKOHAMA - A woman was struck and killed by a train Tuesday after rushing onto a Yokohama railroad crossing and moving to safety a 74-year-old man she saw lying on the tracks, police said.


Why was the guy lying on the tracks? I hope she didn't die saving someone who wanted to kill himself. :-(


It sure looks that way. It was a terrible trade; A 74 year old suicidal old man, for a 40 year old woman with good intentions.

Also, it says she was a "company employee". Whut? Aren't we all?
 
2013-10-02 04:40:11 PM
Woman rushes on to tracks to save a 70-year old man who had fallen from an oncoming train.

If you an old man falls from an oncoming train, just let him go, cause he's gone
 
2013-10-02 04:41:48 PM
She was being heroic, but it's sad... suicidal old man ends up living, kind woman dies instead.

If you are going to do it, make sure do one else will be harmed, otherwise you are being a selfish ass.  Even if she didn't see him and he succeeded in offing himself, he'd still do some psych damage on the conductor and anyone on the train (if they could see it) and ruin the day of the clean up crew.
 
2013-10-02 04:49:44 PM
Why did you go and do that, lady?!  He was almost home!

/well, I guess she can take care of his house for now...
 
2013-10-02 04:54:48 PM

Hankie Fest: I'm amazed at how many of y'all make up something that isn't necessarily factual (the guy was probably trying to commit suicide) -- and then argue against her decision to save him.   There's a million possibilities, yet y'all picked this one.

I think this is called a "straw man" fallacy/argument.


As others have pointed out, Japan has a very high suicide rate. Laying on the tracks is one of the preferred methods. I spent 5 weeks there a few years back, and was surprised at how ambivalent the locals were to the situation. It was a regular occurrence for train lines to be closed/rerouted on Friday nights to scrape people off the tracks. Apparently businesses wait until Friday evening to fire people so that they get one last productive week out of them. The fired employees go to a bar after work to get hammered, then go jump in front of a train.
 
2013-10-02 05:00:41 PM
"I said don't go. There isn't enough time," he later told reporters.

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2013-10-02 05:07:50 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Typical, man gets off and she doesn't.


...Goddamn.  I shouldn't, but goddamn.

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2013-10-02 05:08:07 PM
FTA: "She managed to move the man but couldn't avoid the oncoming train, the police said.
A passerby pushed the emergency button and the train's driver braked hard, but couldn't stop the train in time, according to the police."


Why didn't she rush over to that emergency button prior to jumping on the tracks?
 
2013-10-02 05:13:59 PM
Well, there goes his retirement plans.
 
2013-10-02 05:20:37 PM
So a woman with half her life ahead of her sacrificed her life so someone at the end of theirs could putter on for just a little while longer?

Heroine? No.
 
2013-10-02 05:21:32 PM

Tenatra: FTA: "She managed to move the man but couldn't avoid the oncoming train, the police said.
A passerby pushed the emergency button and the train's driver braked hard, but couldn't stop the train in time, according to the police."

Why didn't she rush over to that emergency button prior to jumping on the tracks?


Why didn't she push the button and not jump onto the tracks?
 
2013-10-02 05:28:07 PM
I would have death gripped my childs arm rather than saying "don't go"
 
2013-10-02 05:48:32 PM
 
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