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(Reuters)   Silk Road shut down. Bonus: Not by the Ottomans   (reuters.com) divider line 153
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2013-10-02 02:57:23 PM

thetrenchcoat: Harry Freakstorm: U.S. law enforcement authorities have shut down "Silk Road," an anonymous Internet marketplace for illegal drugs like heroin and cocaine and criminal activities such as murder for hire, and arrested its alleged owner.

But craigslist is still up and running?

Silk Road should just cite the Communications Decency act of 1996 then al will be forgiven. Works for craigslist and backpage.


Not only will al be forgiven but so will all.
 
2013-10-02 02:57:42 PM

BigNumber12: Thurston Howell: Bravo subby, you history nerd.  Let's meet up later and play an MP game of Europa Universalis IV.

Only if there's alcohol involved.


/ first greenlight!


Congrats. You beat my headline saying the Han Dynasty is inconsolable. I'm glad I lost to someone else who knows a little history.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:52 PM
Why am I less than impressed with what the FBI has done here? Aside from the listings for hit men (which you could probably do on Craigslist or other personal ads), there doesn't seem to be anything that the Feds did here which makes me happy they exist.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:58 PM
This is not a good thing.
 
2013-10-02 03:00:53 PM
Link to the actual charges are here:  https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-xWkaBbpAxGWXVWT2o0UHI2NEE/edit?usp=s haring">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-xWkaBbpAxGWXVWT2o0UHI2NEE/e dit?usp=s haring
 
2013-10-02 03:01:12 PM

George Babbitt: This is not a good thing.


Oh please, tell us why? People might lose money they poured into a useless extranational currency?

i.qkme.me
 
2013-10-02 03:01:26 PM

Tom_Slick: scottydoesntknow: From the Criminal Complaint

ULBRICHT, a/k/a "Dread Pirate Roberts," a/k/a a/k/a "Silk Road," the defendant, in connection with operating the Silk Road website, solicited a Silk Road user to execute a murder--for--hire of another Silk Road user, who was threatening to release the identities of thousands of users of the site.

I bet it was the man with 6 fingers!

So reading that apparently it is illegal to configure your computer to disallow tracking cookies or browse the web anonymously.


Yes, that's exactly what it says.
 
2013-10-02 03:02:37 PM

scottydoesntknow: BigNumber12: Thurston Howell: Bravo subby, you history nerd.  Let's meet up later and play an MP game of Europa Universalis IV.

Only if there's alcohol involved.


/ first greenlight!

Congrats. You beat my headline saying the Han Dynasty is inconsolable. I'm glad I lost to someone else who knows a little history.


I don't know how to feel about this. I actually like yours a bit better, and this is the least-funny of my 4 submissions (ever).
 
2013-10-02 03:03:13 PM
 
2013-10-02 03:03:23 PM

scottydoesntknow: Congrats. You beat my headline saying the Han Dynasty is inconsolable. I'm glad I lost to someone else who knows a little history.


Thanks for TF!
 
2013-10-02 03:03:48 PM

Harry Freakstorm: But craigslist is still up and running?


The basic intent of Craigslist is not to expedite illegal transactions.

DPR stated repeatedly that the function of Silk Road was and behaved that way, and set up the rules for use in the TOS, allowing certain illegal things but not others.

Ergo...

DPR was running a criminal enterprise.  He's going away on RICO charges on top of everything else.
 
2013-10-02 03:04:27 PM

Harry Freakstorm: But craigslist is still up and running?


Craigslist has a huge eternal archive on MongoDB running a 3x3 (3 shards each a replica set of 3 replicas) of all of their posts from the beginning of time minus attached images.

Craigslist is not anonymous; they have your real e-mail address and a phone number.  They don't accept Google Voice numbers.

Craigslist will largely stand up for your rights and will encourage its users bluntly to support laws which strengthen privacy and keep the government from successfully subpoenaing records from them without strong justifiable cause.  They are, however, fully capable of handing over every god damn thing that's ever thought about posting on the site.

Now all e-mails route through Craigslist's remailer unless you send your real e-mail address and break contact.  That's nice because you can talk to people without giving them your real contact info, then block them through the remailer; it does mean that your entire conversation is through Craigslist, and possibly archived.  Your first mail can be a turring test passer and "want to get off the remailer?", or stick to benign until you've established willingness to trade contact info and then get off it and onto the juicy.

Then just your mail server has your e-mails.
 
2013-10-02 03:05:11 PM

bubo_sibiricus: DPR was running a criminal enterprise.  He's going away on RICO charges on top of everything else.


Didn't Silk Road also trade in Kiddy Porn?
 
2013-10-02 03:05:47 PM
BigNumber12:
, and this is the least-funny of my 4 submissions (ever).

You'll get used to it.
 
2013-10-02 03:05:58 PM

dittybopper: xanadian: By the Hassocks, instead?

I think it was the loveseat.


Maybe we should just table this discussion for now...
 
2013-10-02 03:06:21 PM

BigNumber12: scottydoesntknow: Congrats. You beat my headline saying the Han Dynasty is inconsolable. I'm glad I lost to someone else who knows a little history.

Thanks for TF!


Enjoy, you earned it!

/You liked my headline more
//I liked yours more
 
2013-10-02 03:08:27 PM
Interesting timing with the closing down of the other main market, Atlantis 2 weeks ago....
https://www.facebook.com/AtlantisMarket
 
2013-10-02 03:09:22 PM
Very surprised he was running this out of the U.S. Would of thought a site like that would of been hosted in Guatemala or something.
 
2013-10-02 03:09:51 PM
Not by the Ottomans, but possibly by a stool pigeon.
 
2013-10-02 03:10:09 PM
This will also ruin TOR for the people who need it for legitimate uses.

This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2013-10-02 03:12:04 PM

hardinparamedic: bubo_sibiricus: DPR was running a criminal enterprise.  He's going away on RICO charges on top of everything else.

Didn't Silk Road also trade in Kiddy Porn?


Pretty sure that was forbidden. I haven't visited SR in a year but all the "crimes" were victimless - meaning drugs.

Firearms were not permitted and I think it highly unlikely that a contract for a killing was ever posted or entered into by DPR. That charge just doesn't ring true.

But hey, those are the kinds of things that enrage the population so the LEA will charge whatever makes him look evil. And by-and-large the population will believe it.
 
2013-10-02 03:12:42 PM
SilkRoad had a near monopoly.  The only two players left are Sheep and BMR, and more markets will emerge in the coming weeks.  Old vendors will be able to verify their identities with old customers that still have the PGP keys.  The government just created competition in a black market that previously had very little.  I think the already fantastic prices on SilkRoad are about to be beat by a significant amount.
 
2013-10-02 03:13:24 PM

Gargoyle: Firearms were not permitted and I think it highly unlikely that a contract for a killing was ever posted or entered into by DPR. That charge just doesn't ring true.


Allegedly, they have multiple private messages from him referring to it, including a photo of the victim.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:05 PM
cc_rider:  >forbes article

"This story appears in the September 2, 2013 issue of Forbes. "

Timing was probably not coincidental.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:35 PM

The_Fuzz: Interesting timing with the closing down of the other main market, Atlantis 2 weeks ago....
https://www.facebook.com/AtlantisMarket


Interesting, but it was found out relatively quickly that it was a scam by the site administrators.  They indicated they were shutting down and everyone would have the opportunity to withdraw their coins to external wallets but lied about the second part.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:47 PM

thetrenchcoat: This will also ruin TOR for the people who need it for legitimate uses.

This is why we can't have nice things.


Yea. I wonder how they managed to find him. Is there a weakness in TOR? Or did he do something dumb IRL linking himself to SR.
 
2013-10-02 03:15:41 PM

Gargoyle: hardinparamedic: bubo_sibiricus: DPR was running a criminal enterprise.  He's going away on RICO charges on top of everything else.

Didn't Silk Road also trade in Kiddy Porn?

Pretty sure that was forbidden. I haven't visited SR in a year but all the "crimes" were victimless - meaning drugs.

Firearms were not permitted and I think it highly unlikely that a contract for a killing was ever posted or entered into by DPR. That charge just doesn't ring true.

But hey, those are the kinds of things that enrage the population so the LEA will charge whatever makes him look evil. And by-and-large the population will believe it.


I know their competitor, Atlantis, did deal in weapons and other stuff. It was their way to draw other customers. "Oh Silk Road won't let you trade M60 machine guns, but you can here!"
 
2013-10-02 03:17:33 PM
 
2013-10-02 03:17:40 PM
Was it the Chesterfields?
 
2013-10-02 03:18:10 PM
I'm glad.  Now that Napster is shut down, downloading MP3s from non-industry sources will stop.

If I've learned anything from Optimus Prime, it's that, "This time we finish it!  Once and for all!"
 
2013-10-02 03:19:26 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: SilkRoad had a near monopoly.  The only two players left are Sheep and BMR, and more markets will emerge in the coming weeks.  Old vendors will be able to verify their identities with old customers that still have the PGP keys.  The government just created competition in a black market that previously had very little.  I think the already fantastic prices on SilkRoad are about to be beat by a significant amount.


Nonsense! Shutting down Napster ended music piracy on-line and it seems reasonable to expect the same results from this action against Silk Road.

/bear road
/gnu road
/silkaaza road
/silk Morpheus
etc
 
2013-10-02 03:21:40 PM
I understand he wanted a quality of life, but why was he living in San Francisco where the FBI could easily grab him? Didn't he learn any lessons from the Megaupload case where you need a jurisdiction that makes the FBI at least offer up a token case to extradite you back to the US. It certainly isn't complete protection, but by just sitting in the US, it becomes incredibly easy to get you into custody.
 
2013-10-02 03:22:21 PM
I was going to use the headline

In Soviet America, federal government shuts down you

But never got around to it.
 
2013-10-02 03:25:33 PM

thetrenchcoat: Harry Freakstorm: U.S. law enforcement authorities have shut down "Silk Road," an anonymous Internet marketplace for illegal drugs like heroin and cocaine and criminal activities such as murder for hire, and arrested its alleged owner.

But craigslist is still up and running?

Silk Road should just cite the Communications Decency act of 1996 then al will be forgiven. Works for craigslist and backpage.


They will nail him to the wall for tax evasion or money laundering.
 
2013-10-02 03:26:10 PM

The Onion is prophetic: So the guy was basically caught because he advertised his site on a drug forum with the username 'altoid', then 8 months later used the same username on a different site, asking for advice on how to configure TOR sites, with responses to be sent to a gmail account with his real name on it.  Real smooth.


Does anyone have any technical details on how they caught him?

AFAIK, Silk Road was run off an onion link, which are supposed to be untraceable. Users would have only been able to connect to the hidden service through tor, which provides anonymity for both the owner of the hidden service and the user.

Just curious if tor has been cracked by the Feds.
 
2013-10-02 03:27:36 PM
How does one turn a bit coin back into real world currency?
 
2013-10-02 03:27:37 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Summercat: In addition, looks like bitcoins are crashing in value, based on the wharrgarble from someone in a chatroom I'm in.

Because the feds are seizing millions of them, apparently.  At least from this douche.


They´d go up in value then.
 
2013-10-02 03:27:46 PM

Gargoyle: thetrenchcoat: This will also ruin TOR for the people who need it for legitimate uses.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Yea. I wonder how they managed to find him. Is there a weakness in TOR? Or did he do something dumb IRL linking himself to SR.


The Feds used an exploit when they brought down the kiddy porn sites on TOR so it may have been a little bit of both.
 
2013-10-02 03:28:45 PM

thetrenchcoat: This will also ruin TOR for the people who need it for legitimate uses.

This is why we can't have nice things.


Why?

It may have chilling effects for StackOverflow, though - they ID'd him because he accidentally posted this question with his full name. Oops.
 
2013-10-02 03:29:30 PM

Kygz: How does one turn a bit coin back into real world currency?


Buy drugs on silk road, then sell drugs for cash.  Its easy.
 
2013-10-02 03:30:29 PM

Elegy: Just curious if tor has been cracked by the Feds.


From the report, I don't think so.

However, from the Snowden affair, we know that the answer could be "Yes, but that's classified, so we have concocted a dubious but legally sufficient evidence trail that we can claim we followed without revealing that we've cracked tor."
 
2013-10-02 03:30:52 PM

rk1i: timujin?


Nope, not me.
 
2013-10-02 03:33:47 PM
Apparently he just got sloppy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/02/end-of-the-silk -r oad-fbi-busts-the-webs-biggest-anonymous-drug-black-market/

One clue mentioned in the criminal complaint against Ulbricht was a package seized from the mail by U.S. Customs and Border Patrol as it crossed the Canadian border, containing nine seemingly counterfeit identification documents, each of which used a different name but featured Ulbricht's photograph. The address on the package was on 15th street in San Francisco, where police found Ulbricht and matched his face to the one on the fake IDs.

The complaint also mentions security mistakes, including an IP address for a VPN server used by Ulbricht listed in the code on the Silk Road, mentions of time in the Dread Pirate Roberts' posts on the site that identified his time zone, and postings on the Bitcoin Talk forum under the handle "altoid," which was tied to Ulbricht's Gmail address.
 
2013-10-02 03:34:14 PM

FedExPope: Why am I less than impressed with what the FBI has done here? Aside from the listings for hit men (which you could probably do on Craigslist or other personal ads), there doesn't seem to be anything that the Feds did here which makes me happy they exist.


He thought the FBI wasn't working do to the government shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 03:34:37 PM
What does this mean for the Tor Network?  Is there any meaningful impact?
 
2013-10-02 03:34:49 PM

phritz: thetrenchcoat: This will also ruin TOR for the people who need it for legitimate uses.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Why?

It may have chilling effects for StackOverflow, though - they ID'd him because he accidentally posted this question with his full name. Oops.


It;s bad PR for TOR. If the Feds can catch criminals who use TOR then who's to say that less than reputable governments won't be able to track down dissidents through TOR?
 
2013-10-02 03:35:00 PM
or due to, whatever
 
2013-10-02 03:36:07 PM

Gargoyle: Firearms were not permitted and I think it highly unlikely that a contract for a killing was ever posted or entered into by DPR. That charge just doesn't ring true.

But hey, those are the kinds of things that enrage the population so the LEA will charge whatever makes him look evil. And by-and-large the population will believe it.


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-02 03:36:29 PM
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2013-10-02 02:41:55 PM
That used to be my site.

*I* was the Dread Pirate Roberts.

I taught Ulbricht the trade and when I had plundered and robbed enough, I handed over the username to him, just as it was once handed down to me. It all seems like just a fairy tale now...


good night, sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning.
 
2013-10-02 03:36:46 PM

incendi: Elegy: Just curious if tor has been cracked by the Feds.

From the report, I don't think so.

However, from the Snowden affair, we know that the answer could be "Yes, but that's classified, so we have concocted a dubious but legally sufficient evidence trail that we can claim we followed without revealing that we've cracked tor."


If they have cracked Tor, are their cracking efforts technically legal?
 
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