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(Washington Post)   Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today. Will this standoff end?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 625
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2013-10-02 12:14:39 PM  
Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.
 
2013-10-02 12:15:49 PM  

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


the only thing he should give Boehner and McConnell is his pimp hand

/and that biatch Pelosi too.
 
2013-10-02 12:18:30 PM  

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


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"And I said no."
 
2013-10-02 12:19:43 PM  

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

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"And I said no."


This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.
 
2013-10-02 12:23:47 PM  

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


"nothing and fark you"
 
2013-10-02 12:24:23 PM  

DamnYankees: This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.


Actually, the West Wing episode 'Shutdown' was about a disagreement about a CR. The White House had agreed to a 1% reduction, the Speaker insisted on a 3%. Bartlet, seeing his strategy was a part of a larger attempt to dismantle the federal government and eliminate all of his initiatives, shut down the government and would work to continue it until he reached an equitable agreement.
 
2013-10-02 12:24:57 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-02 12:25:13 PM  
I really wish he would secretly set this up to broadcast live so we could watch Boehner cry live as he gets dressed down.
 
2013-10-02 12:26:02 PM  

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.

Actually, the West Wing episode 'Shutdown' was about a disagreement about a CR. The White House had agreed to a 1% reduction, the Speaker insisted on a 3%. Bartlet, seeing his strategy was a part of a larger attempt to dismantle the federal government and eliminate all of his initiatives, shut down the government and would work to continue it until he reached an equitable agreement.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I think the situation today is different, because its going to involve the debt ceiling.
 
2013-10-02 12:30:31 PM  

DamnYankees: WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

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"And I said no."

This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.


If the disagreement were over the amount of spending I would agree with you. No way and no how should the POTUS even entertain the idea that the ACA is a  bargaining chip.
 
2013-10-02 12:31:37 PM  

Re Congress: It's a hijack, not a standoff. You don't blame the folks outside the bank when the robbers won't come out.

- David Yee (@tangentialism) October 2, 2013
 
2013-10-02 12:32:33 PM  

sammyk: If the disagreement were over the amount of spending I would agree with you. No way and no how should the POTUS even entertain the idea that the ACA is a  bargaining chip.


I agree as a policy and political matter. I think asking for a repeal of any part of the ACA is terrible politics and bad policy. But I do think its a legitimate exercise of constitutional authority and within the bounds of democratic legitimacy. The debt ceiling is simply not.
 
2013-10-02 12:33:08 PM  
"John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."
 
2013-10-02 12:34:06 PM  
He shouldn't even show.  Just borrow that chair from Clint Eastwood.
 
2013-10-02 12:34:52 PM  

syrynxx: He shouldn't even show.  Just borrow that chair from Clint Eastwood.


Oh I LIKE that idea.  Just sit an empty chair in the meeting room.
 
2013-10-02 12:36:30 PM  

NewportBarGuy: "John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."


I hope this is his plan. I hope its to meet with them and then give a speech on national TV basically saying:

"Tonight I met with the leaders of both houses of Congress. After discussion with Speaker Boehner and Minority Leader McConnell how they plan to move us forward, they are demanding I make certain concessions in order to keep the government running, and to increase the debt ceiling.

I say to them now, and to the American people at large - Mr. Speaker, Mr. Minority Leader, this is my offer: nothing. Neither I nor Majority Leader Reid will permit you to take the American people and its government hostage in order to extract demands in exchange for simply not blowing up the economy. That is not a negotiation. That's extortion, and its not how this government operates.

You will get nothing from me. Pass a budget and raise the debt ceiling. Now.

Good night."
 
2013-10-02 12:37:10 PM  

DamnYankees: WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.

Actually, the West Wing episode 'Shutdown' was about a disagreement about a CR. The White House had agreed to a 1% reduction, the Speaker insisted on a 3%. Bartlet, seeing his strategy was a part of a larger attempt to dismantle the federal government and eliminate all of his initiatives, shut down the government and would work to continue it until he reached an equitable agreement.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I think the situation today is different, because its going to involve the debt ceiling.


I think the unreasonableness comes not from negotiating over a continuing resolution, but from what's on the table. The Republicans are offering to fund the government for 90 days in return for major concessions on an important piece of policy. 90 days.

That's like the White Sox asking the Twins to trade Joe Mauer in return for four whole fried chickens and a coke. And, you know, if they don't get what they want then there won't be any baseball.
 
2013-10-02 12:39:02 PM  

birdmanesq: I think the unreasonableness comes not from negotiating over a continuing resolution, but from what's on the table. The Republicans are offering to fund the government for 90 days in return for major concessions on an important piece of policy. 90 days.


Yes, 100% agreed. As I said above, I think asking for a repeal of any part of the ACA is terrible politics and bad policy. But I do think its a legitimate exercise of constitutional authority and within the bounds of democratic legitimacy. The debt ceiling is simply not.
 
2013-10-02 12:39:35 PM  

NewportBarGuy: "John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."


Nice touch, making him accept bourbon when we all know he's a scotch man. Well played, Obama.
 
2013-10-02 12:41:44 PM  
I want John and Mitch to walk in, say their piece, Obama writes studiously on a notepad, and slides this over while saying, "This is my final offer:

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Fark. You."
 
2013-10-02 12:43:30 PM  
Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.
 
2013-10-02 12:44:40 PM  
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2013-10-02 12:49:30 PM  
Ok, between Boehner and McConnell, which one is Lando and which one is Han?
 
2013-10-02 12:51:56 PM  

James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.


He does, he just loses his job as Speaker.
 
2013-10-02 12:52:58 PM  

James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.


He absolutely does. He would just need to make the deal with Democrats. The fact that he doesn't want to do that is an indictment of him, nothing else.
 
2013-10-02 12:54:10 PM  
Politico article on the meeting says Obama plasn to tell them to pass the CR and Debt Ceiling clean. Let's just hope he sticks with that.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/10/obama-to-meet-with-congre ss ional-leaders-wednesday-174107.html
 
2013-10-02 01:01:16 PM  

DamnYankees: http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/10/obama-to-meet-with-congre ss ional-leaders-wednesday-174107.html


From a link on the video from 1995 on Politico from John Boehner: "The President was out playing golf and has offered no leadership."

Last night on CNBC Kay Bailey Hutchinson: "President Clinton talked to the Republican leadership. Obama would rather talk to the Iranians and Syrians. And he's out playing golf."

Boehner said the same thing in 2013 that he said in 1995 as well.

Amazing. They just f*cking lie and use the same f*cking lines from 20 years ago while distorting history to make it seem like Clinton did anything different than Obama because they need to demonize him.
 
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2013-10-02 01:05:45 PM  
If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.
 
2013-10-02 01:10:23 PM  

NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.


Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 01:11:05 PM  

NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.


I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.
 
2013-10-02 01:12:57 PM  
I just hope it is recorded like the previous meetings between Obama and the GOP House Retreat in 2010, and then released to the public.
 
2013-10-02 01:17:42 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.


The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?
 
2013-10-02 01:22:35 PM  

nekom: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.


Government slimdown, Democrat shutdown.

It's a fine line and they're falling flat on both.
 
2013-10-02 01:23:19 PM  

NewportBarGuy: James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.

He does, he just loses his job as Speaker.


It's already gone. The only question now is how he will be remembered.
 
2013-10-02 01:28:17 PM  

dr_blasto: The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?


Well, when I was 17, in 1995, I took a long walk with my dad. It was during the last major debt crisis. I had been a subscriber to National Review and listener to El Fatso. I changed my mind quickly. I realized what they were doing was suicidal and in the wrong interests of the country. I talked to him about what do we do. We discussed what Napoleon did when his country was in a similar situation. You'd have to take over Congress with a military force. You'd have to appear on TV and admit that what you had done was treasonous in and of itself and accept responsibility for your actions once things were normalized.

i.e. You arrest every member of Congress, try them in a kangaroo court and then you have two choices. You execute them or send them back home stripped of their duties. I chose the later. Then you'd have to announce snap elections, as they do in the Parliamentary System and we choose new Reps and Sens. Once those elections are complete, the people responsible for the military change would have to be either shot on site or imprisoned for life because they did violate the law.

It would be incredibly messy and I highly doubt it would see through to nice, normal elections and a new crop of legislators. Somewhere, someone would use the opportunity to seize power. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. We hate our system with a passion sometimes, but I honestly have never seen a realistic way to do a swap and clear.

It would get bloody far too quickly. We work within this f*cked up system precisely because of how bloody and awful a revolution is. We know that better than most. Plus, we are lazy as f*ck. We got raped by the financial system and did nothing about it. Getting raped the same way by politicians offers a similar response. People get angry, but unless there is some iconic figure who can rise up and say enough and lead us in another direction, we're just stuck with what we have and everything else is a fantasy.

We're just going to ride it out and hope people can make the right decision.
 
2013-10-02 01:28:53 PM  

NewportBarGuy: debt crisis


should read shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 01:33:05 PM  

Ambivalence: NewportBarGuy: James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.

He does, he just loses his job as Speaker.

It's already gone. The only question now is how he will be remembered.


For some reason, I think he'll keep it. Lately, incompetence seems to be rewarded.
 
2013-10-02 01:33:51 PM  
In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"
 
2013-10-02 01:34:24 PM  
I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 01:35:59 PM  

syrynxx: He shouldn't even show.  Just borrow that chair from Clint Eastwood.


Your ideas are intriguing, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-10-02 01:36:55 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


What's scary about this post is that I genuinely think a lot of House GOPers believe this.
 
2013-10-02 01:38:56 PM  

poonesfarm:


Then follow it up with a dead hooker in Boehner's hotel room and him to drunk to remember how she died.
 
2013-10-02 01:40:18 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


You're tripping balls right now, aren't you?
 
2013-10-02 01:40:27 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


You should get to the nearest poison center. I think you ate too much peyote.
 
2013-10-02 01:41:32 PM  
SkinnyHead:  Here's my prediction.

Prepare for orange tears.
 
2013-10-02 01:42:12 PM  
There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.
 
2013-10-02 01:43:20 PM  

vernonFL: You should get to the nearest poison center. I think you ate too much peyote.


I hope he's got insurance.
 
2013-10-02 01:43:30 PM  

James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.


On I don't think public opinion could get any lower. The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.
 
2013-10-02 01:44:51 PM  
Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Instead of getting tense about shutdown, many Rs from defund camp are ecstatic; after Romney defeat, Boehner probs, think Rs showing spine

We're so screwed.
 
2013-10-02 01:45:04 PM  

James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.


Came here to say this.
 
IP
2013-10-02 01:45:41 PM  
This better be his offer:

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2013-10-02 01:45:59 PM  

Weaver95: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

On I don't think public opinion could get any lower. The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.


Well, there's very slight room for un-improvement.

According to the survey, just 10% of Americans say they approve of the job Congress is doing, an all-time low in a CNN poll. And 87% say they disapprove of the job federal lawmakers are doing, higher than it's ever been in CNN polling.
 
2013-10-02 01:46:47 PM  
Car_Ramrod:
Government slimdown, Democrat shutdown.

It's a fine line and they're falling flat on both.


Sure, they're failing so far at least according to polls, but Obama and the Dems can't let up, because they're going to keep flinging poo and if they don't smack it down, some of it just might stick.
 
2013-10-02 01:47:19 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?
 
2013-10-02 01:47:34 PM  

James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.


This is exactly the mess they want. They want to bring the country to it's knees. Instead of dickering about who will blink and whatnot we should be asking ourselves what exactly the GOP intends to do once they have completely debilitated the country.

And then we will know what we have to do to try to save it.
 
2013-10-02 01:48:01 PM  

Carn: Weaver95: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

On I don't think public opinion could get any lower. The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.

Well, there's very slight room for un-improvement.

According to the survey, just 10% of Americans say they approve of the job Congress is doing, an all-time low in a CNN poll. And 87% say they disapprove of the job federal lawmakers are doing, higher than it's ever been in CNN polling.


Are they upset with the GOP, or do they think it is 'the other side's fault'?
 
2013-10-02 01:48:20 PM  
I think even the tea party is starting to realize that they might have gone too far on this one. Problem is...they can't back down or their own people will eat them alive.
 
2013-10-02 01:48:23 PM  
They should have had this meeting before the shutdown. Clinton Would have done that
 
2013-10-02 01:48:54 PM  

Weaver95: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

On I don't think public opinion could get any lower. The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.


Most of them will be taken behind the woodshed after this is over and a handful won't be coming back.  They made their last desperate attempt to stop the ACA and now it's consequences time.
 
2013-10-02 01:50:20 PM  

quickdraw: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

This is exactly the mess they want. They want to bring the country to it's knees. Instead of dickering about who will blink and whatnot we should be asking ourselves what exactly the GOP intends to do once they have completely debilitated the country.

And then we will know what we have to do to try to save it.


I think they wanted power. They have been angry at not having the White House ever since McCain lost. This is an effort to make the Democratic president look weak. They simply want power.
 
2013-10-02 01:51:19 PM  

quickdraw: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

This is exactly the mess they want. They want to bring the country to it's knees. Instead of dickering about who will blink and whatnot we should be asking ourselves what exactly the GOP intends to do once they have completely debilitated the country.

And then we will know what we have to do to try to save it.


This isn't a brains kind of operation.  They aren't planning any further ahead than their noses.
 
2013-10-02 01:53:53 PM  

James!: Weaver95: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

On I don't think public opinion could get any lower. The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.

Most of them will be taken behind the woodshed after this is over and a handful won't be coming back.  They made their last desperate attempt to stop the ACA and now it's consequences time.


I'd like to see that happen...I really would. But the tea baggers are stupid and on a suicide mission to take down the government. Not sure how this will play out.
 
2013-10-02 01:56:38 PM  

Weaver95: But the tea baggers are stupid and on a suicide mission to take down the government. Not sure how this will play out.


Well, realistically what do you think the endgame for them is?  Government shutdown for the rest of the Obama administration?  How is that going to play in the mid-terms?  Make no mistake, this is ALL about the mid-terms, though I have a sneaking suspicion they haven't thought their cunning plan all the way through.
 
2013-10-02 01:59:25 PM  

Nadie_AZ: quickdraw: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

This is exactly the mess they want. They want to bring the country to it's knees. Instead of dickering about who will blink and whatnot we should be asking ourselves what exactly the GOP intends to do once they have completely debilitated the country.

And then we will know what we have to do to try to save it.

I think they wanted power. They have been angry at not having the White House ever since McCain lost. This is an effort to make the Democratic president look weak. They simply want power.



I just think we have to listen to these people when they say they want dismantle the government and make us all adhere to their biblical interpretation of reproductive rights.

I mean - yeah - I laughed in the 80s when I heard this dominionist plot but Im not laughing anymore. These people are zealots and mean what they say. Shame on the networks too - they are totally complicit in this.

/a pox on all their houses!
 
2013-10-02 02:00:16 PM  

James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.


Seeing as how Obama agreed to postpone Obamacare penalties for big business for a year, its only fair that individual citizens -- the 99% -- should get the same consideration.  And it is also fair to require members of congress to live with Obamacare like everyone else, without getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to ease the pain.

As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.
 
2013-10-02 02:00:22 PM  

I_C_Weener: They should have had this meeting before the shutdown. Clinton Would have done that


Obama was kind of busy with the UN, Iran , and Syria.

Its Congress' job to pass bills.
 
2013-10-02 02:00:29 PM  

nekom: Weaver95: But the tea baggers are stupid and on a suicide mission to take down the government. Not sure how this will play out.

Well, realistically what do you think the endgame for them is?  Government shutdown for the rest of the Obama administration?  How is that going to play in the mid-terms?  Make no mistake, this is ALL about the mid-terms, though I have a sneaking suspicion they haven't thought their cunning plan all the way through.


At this point I honestly don't know what the tea bagger end game looks like. They're basing their plans off data that only exists in their closed echo chamber, they seem immune to logic and regard common sense as a creepy mutation. They hate Obama, and let that hatred color what we laughingly call their strategy.

They're a dangerous mob with little more than vague plans, lots of power and no concern for the consequences of their actions.
 
2013-10-02 02:06:10 PM  

IP: This better be his offer:

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Came here to post this.
 
2013-10-02 02:06:14 PM  

vernonFL: I_C_Weener: They should have had this meeting before the shutdown. Clinton Would have done that

Obama was kind of busy with the UN, Iran , and Syria.

Its Congress' job to pass bills.


and you know it is their "laser focus"
 
2013-10-02 02:06:44 PM  

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.

Goddammitsomuch.
 
2013-10-02 02:06:55 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Carn: Weaver95: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

On I don't think public opinion could get any lower. The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.

Well, there's very slight room for un-improvement.

According to the survey, just 10% of Americans say they approve of the job Congress is doing, an all-time low in a CNN poll. And 87% say they disapprove of the job federal lawmakers are doing, higher than it's ever been in CNN polling.

Are they upset with the GOP, or do they think it is 'the other side's fault'?


Well they didn't ask in response to the Tea Party, I imagine because CNN abides by the BSAB school of journalism.  However they asked generally how people felt about each party and Democrats it was 43%/52% Favorable/Unfavorable and for Republicans 32%/62%.
 
2013-10-02 02:07:17 PM  
No.
 
2013-10-02 02:07:23 PM  

Bontesla: Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.


Before the clean CR is passed? Cite?
 
2013-10-02 02:08:12 PM  

SkinnyHead: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

Seeing as how Obama agreed to postpone Obamacare penalties for big business for a year, its only fair that individual citizens -- the 99% -- should get the same consideration.  And it is also fair to require members of congress to live with Obamacare like everyone else, without getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to ease the pain.

As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.


I appreciate that you have to completely misrepresent the Vitter Amendment in order to argue for it.
 
2013-10-02 02:08:30 PM  

vernonFL: poonesfarm:

Then follow it up with a dead hooker in Boehner's hotel room and him to drunk to remember how she died.


Even a dead hooker wouldn't go near Boehner.

/surely he owns a horse or two.
 
2013-10-02 02:08:33 PM  
My guess, no. McConnell's people aren't thinking anything will come of it. Boehner's going to put another amended CR in play today. It's going to be Obama bringing out his pimp hand, but the GOP won't budge.

god bless America...
 
2013-10-02 02:08:46 PM  
CNN is currently running with a story that Democrats are going to kill ten kids a week by not passing piecemeal cancer research bills.
 
2013-10-02 02:08:58 PM  

El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?


The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.  It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?
 
2013-10-02 02:09:52 PM  

SkinnyHead:  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.


I think you're delusional.
 
2013-10-02 02:10:19 PM  

Weaver95: At this point I honestly don't know what the tea bagger end game looks like.


I think it looks like the government defaulting on debt payments and the teabaggers finally getting rich off the gold Glenn Beck sold them.
 
2013-10-02 02:10:39 PM  
End of shut-down or just a Pelosi gang-bang?
//how is that lunch sitting in your belly now?
 
2013-10-02 02:10:57 PM  

DamnYankees: Bontesla: Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.

Before the clean CR is passed? Cite?


thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-offers-to-ta lk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government#ixzz2gaWnfVsk
 
2013-10-02 02:10:58 PM  
SkinnyHead:

Seeing as how Obama agreed to postpone Obamacare penalties for big business for a year, its only fair that individual citizens -- the 99% -- should get the same consideration.  And it is also fair to require members of congress to live with Obamacare like everyone else, without getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to ease the pain.

As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.


It's  nice to see you posting predictions along these lines. You truly are an amazing bell-weather for being wrong. So, we can probably expect the opposite of this to happen.
 
2013-10-02 02:11:01 PM  
How I wish that the law makers could just, for once, act like grown ups. Especially the R's. No one wants to sacrifice themselves polically to save the country. It's a pity.
 
2013-10-02 02:11:07 PM  
SkinnyHead:
The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.  It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

I'd wager that if that's all it took, they'd have a deal.  The GOP is right about one thing:  Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA.  I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.
 
2013-10-02 02:11:28 PM  

SkinnyHead: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

Seeing as how Obama agreed to postpone Obamacare penalties for big business for a year, its only fair that individual citizens -- the 99% -- should get the same consideration.  And it is also fair to require members of congress to live with Obamacare like everyone else, without getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to ease the pain.

As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.


And I think you're high as a kite. Thats the only way any of that garbage makes sense.
 
2013-10-02 02:11:30 PM  
The should get him the darkest present ever
 
2013-10-02 02:11:38 PM  

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


He will concede a fake thing.  Like a commission to make recommendations on improving Obamacare.  Something that has no substance but gives the GOP a small out.
 
2013-10-02 02:12:12 PM  

Ambivalence: NewportBarGuy: James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.

He does, he just loses his job as Speaker.

It's already gone. The only question now is how he will be remembered.





upload.wikimedia.org
Worst Speaker EVER.
 
2013-10-02 02:12:24 PM  

Bontesla: DamnYankees: Bontesla: Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.

Before the clean CR is passed? Cite?

thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-offers-to-t a lk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government#ixzz2gaWnfVsk


That's not Reid giving up anything. He's saying that if the House passes a clean CR, then he'll appoint conferees - that's something the Democrats have been begging the GOP to do for 6 months! Reid isn't budging at all.
 
2013-10-02 02:12:34 PM  
I'm I a bad person for hoping there is a woodshed at the White house they can meet behind?
 
2013-10-02 02:12:54 PM  

DamnYankees: Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Instead of getting tense about shutdown, many Rs from defund camp are ecstatic; after Romney defeat, Boehner probs, think Rs showing spine



What does this mean?  I don't speak twitter or NRO.
 
2013-10-02 02:12:59 PM  

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

He will concede a fake thing.  Like a commission to make recommendations on improving Obamacare.  Something that has no substance but gives the GOP a small out.


He can't give even a fake thing. He needs to permanently extinguish the idea that you can hold the economy hostage as a negotiating tactic. If he gives anything, the idea stays alive.
 
2013-10-02 02:13:20 PM  

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

He will concede a fake thing.  Like a commission to make recommendations on improving Obamacare.  Something that has no substance but gives the GOP a small out.


Or he could let the GOP twist in the wind, concede nothing while continuing to show himself as being reasonable .
 
2013-10-02 02:13:21 PM  
Step 1: Obama invites congressional leadership to white house
Step 2: Obama isn't there, but secret service is
Step 3: Have secret service lock them in room without food or drink
Step 4: Obama goes to Asia as planned
Step 5: Obama returns 2 weeks later to either a reopened government, or 4 dead former congressional leaders

Win-Win
 
2013-10-02 02:13:33 PM  
"The longer this goes on the longer it will take to restore things to normalcy, the more your constituents will suffer, and the angrier they will become with you. Let me assure you, gentlemen, your districts will be the very last to have their funding restored."
 
2013-10-02 02:13:41 PM  

MarshHawk: DamnYankees: Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Instead of getting tense about shutdown, many Rs from defund camp are ecstatic; after Romney defeat, Boehner probs, think Rs showing spine


What does this mean?  I don't speak twitter or NRO.


What's not to understand. The House GOP caucus is ecstatic about this, they aren't going to fold.
 
2013-10-02 02:13:44 PM  

monoski: End of shut-down or just a Pelosi gang-bang?
//how is that lunch sitting in your belly now?


Barack wouldn't be the first....
i.dailymail.co.uk
/yes, there is zero evidence for my tawdry innuendo...
 
2013-10-02 02:13:57 PM  

JerseyTim: Ok, between Boehner and McConnell, which one is Lando and which one is Han?


What?  No, neither of them is that cool.  They're both Jar Jar.
 
2013-10-02 02:14:10 PM  
Boehner is going to show up 30 minutes late.  No suit jacket, his shirt untucked, and positively reeking of booze.
 
2013-10-02 02:14:18 PM  

Weaver95: I think even the tea party is starting to realize that they might have gone too far on this one. Problem is...they can't back down or their own people will eat them alive.


I think you completely misunderstand what the tea party is, at least regarding this situation. There are several attempts to retcon the TP origin story, but the reality is that they were simply a Republican astroturf campaign. The problem today stems from the tools and tactics the Republicans used when they created this group--mainly using the basest arguments directed to create fear, panic even, and festering hate for those they wished to paint as enemies of the state while simultaneously fostering the nascent distrust of governmental policies and leadership that were direct results of the failed GW Bush administration - false reasoning for war, squandered financial security, bogus patriotism and the like.

By using these tools, giving significant attention to the complaints through national media campaigns on Fox News (who were chased and repeated by their competitors), they roped in a bunch of really upset, ill-informed and, frankly, scared-as-fark people they didn't seem to really expect to jump on board. Since it was branded "grassroots" these people didn't have any qualms about taking over. Soon after that, the purity tests began. Technocrats, bureaucrats, reasonably qualified politicians were run down by the new crazy train. It became easy for the non-qualified grifters to aim that hate-gun at their opponents and rake in the cash from the new gravy train. Some got elected, knowing full well that they had to maintain this hyper-partisan, hyper-conservative veneer to keep the next player from gunning after them. The end game is cash and power.

The "Tea Party" as a group knows no consequences for their actions. They only fear the opposition - "socailism" or "Obama" - quoted as they're known as misrepresentations of what they really are.

Even if these jackwagons get booted from office, they won't give a shiat. They got their money, they got their power.
 
2013-10-02 02:14:33 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-02 02:14:37 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


img824.imageshack.us
 
2013-10-02 02:14:39 PM  

MarshHawk: DamnYankees: Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Instead of getting tense about shutdown, many Rs from defund camp are ecstatic; after Romney defeat, Boehner probs, think Rs showing spine


What does this mean?  I don't speak twitter or NRO.


"We didn't lose, and if we did it is because we weren't conservative enough."
 
2013-10-02 02:16:44 PM  

Weaver95: I think even the tea party is starting to realize that they might have gone too far on this one. Problem is...they can't back down or their own people will eat them alive.


Which is inevitable. The longer they delay it, the worse it's going to be for our country and for their party. Their first mistake was giving crazy people any political power at all.
 
2013-10-02 02:16:52 PM  
Retail politics.

/not distracted by this
//oh look .. a puppy!
 
2013-10-02 02:17:25 PM  
dr_blasto:

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

*looks at Republican efforts to deprive women the mastery of their bodies*

Nope.
 
2013-10-02 02:17:30 PM  
I hope fists fly. Fartbongo will use his stuff on Boehner and he will limp away crying. Shutdown ended!
 
2013-10-02 02:18:31 PM  

DamnYankees: Bontesla: DamnYankees: Bontesla: Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.

Before the clean CR is passed? Cite?

thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-offers-to-t a lk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government#ixzz2gaWnfVsk

That's not Reid giving up anything. He's saying that if the House passes a clean CR, then he'll appoint conferees - that's something the Democrats have been begging the GOP to do for 6 months! Reid isn't budging at all.


That's the starting point - sure.
 
2013-10-02 02:18:42 PM  

incendi: monoski: End of shut-down or just a Pelosi gang-bang?
//how is that lunch sitting in your belly now?

Barack wouldn't be the first....
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x914]
/yes, there is zero evidence for my tawdry innuendo...


Innuendo. [snert]
 
2013-10-02 02:18:50 PM  

James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.


FIFY
 
2013-10-02 02:19:10 PM  

nekom: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.


The GOP is flailing right now.  The best thing Obama can do is wait.  American people are all coming to the realization that the GOP farked this up.  When this is common knowledge, then Obama should come out and lay the smack down on the GOP.   He shouldn't rush this speech.  He's smarter to target impacted groups one-by-one (veterans, park workers, contractors working for the Government) in a series of small speeches.  Hold off on the big speech until the public is begging for it.  The GOP is doing a very good job cannibalizing themselves as it stands.
 
2013-10-02 02:19:47 PM  
The meeting had better go like this:

"You will pass a clean CR. There is to be no negotiating. There is only one option for getting out of this, and I want to make it clear that you have no others. You can grandstand, go to the media, cry and whine, but neither the Senate nor myself will consider anything but a clean funding bill with no riders. You will do it now, or you will do it later, but you will do it. Now get the fark out of my office and go do your jobs."
 
2013-10-02 02:20:07 PM  

Bontesla: DamnYankees: Bontesla: Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.

Before the clean CR is passed? Cite?

thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-offers-to-t a lk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government#ixzz2gaWnfVsk


FTA..."The entire government is shut down right now because Washington Democrats refuse to even talk about fairness for all Americans under ObamaCare," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said. "Offering to negotiate only after Democrats get everything they want is not much of an offer."

cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2013-10-02 02:20:08 PM  

Mad Scientist: SkinnyHead:  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.

I think you're delusional.


Study it out
 
2013-10-02 02:20:37 PM  

SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?


No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.
 
2013-10-02 02:20:54 PM  
How about jackshiat and go fark yourself?
 
2013-10-02 02:21:00 PM  
I hope Obama serves Green Eggs and Ham for dinner.
 
2013-10-02 02:21:14 PM  

Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"


This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.
 
2013-10-02 02:21:34 PM  

birdmanesq: That's like the White Sox asking the Twins to trade Joe Mauer in return for four whole fried chickens and a coke.


Throw in some dry white toast and we have a deal.
 
2013-10-02 02:22:07 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Weaver95: I think even the tea party is starting to realize that they might have gone too far on this one. Problem is...they can't back down or their own people will eat them alive.

Which is inevitable. The longer they delay it, the worse it's going to be for our country and for their party. Their first mistake was giving crazy people any political power at all.


I don't think they intended the nutters to get control and I think they underestimated the seedy underbelly of their party. Part of this is direct fallout for the battle of control of the Republican party and the "soul" of the conservative movement.

The older and more responsible members of the Republican party are using this as an opportunity to kill the cancer they inflcted on themselves when the grifters and nutters of the TP movement got elected under their banner. The TP nutters and grifters are either making money or are shoring up their power base by forcing this into a purity test.
 
2013-10-02 02:22:17 PM  

Cyclometh: The meeting had better go like this:

"You will pass a clean CR. There is to be no negotiating. There is only one option for getting out of this, and I want to make it clear that you have no others. You can grandstand, go to the media, cry and whine, but neither the Senate nor myself will consider anything but a clean funding bill with no riders. You will do it now, or you will do it later, but you will do it. Now get the fark out of my office and go do your jobs."


You forget to tell them to go get their shine box but I like it.
 
2013-10-02 02:22:25 PM  

Cyclometh: The meeting had better go like this:

"You will pass a clean CR and debt ceiling. There is to be no negotiating. There is only one option for getting out of this, and I want to make it clear that you have no others. You can grandstand, go to the media, cry and whine, but neither the Senate nor myself will consider anything but a clean funding bill and clean debt ceiling

  with no riders. You will do it now, or you will do it later, but you will do it. Now get the fark out of my office and go do your jobs."

FTFY, otherwise spot on.
 
2013-10-02 02:22:28 PM  

incendi: Weaver95: At this point I honestly don't know what the tea bagger end game looks like.

I think it looks like the government defaulting on debt payments and the teabaggers finally getting rich off the gold Glenn Beck sold them.


I'm sure that Glenn Beck and the BUYAMAZINGCHEAPGOLD.COM charlatans have already figured out a way to fleece these rubes if gold suddenly spikes. They're the only ones who will be getting rich. Meanwhile, the teabaggers will continue their brave fight to keep gubmint outta their medicare.
 
2013-10-02 02:22:47 PM  

nekom: I'd wager that if that's all it took, they'd have a deal. The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.


No. Their final chance to stop ACA like this was before it was put into law. There are processes in place for repealing laws - this isnt it. This is one in a long series of maneuvers to dismantle the US government and place restrictions on reproductive rights.

Ignoring this is like sitting with a guy at a bar and he says  "This drink is drugged. If you drink this I will take you out in a back alley and beat you" and then you drink it and find yourself being beaten in a back alley.

They have been clear for several decades now what their goal is. Perhaps we should take them at their word.
 
2013-10-02 02:23:05 PM  
Why would you meet with Boehner instead of the people who are actually in charge? Maybe instead of showing up, Obama could send in a mail room intern. Boehner and the intern could come to an agreement about congressional parking spaces.
 
2013-10-02 02:23:05 PM  
"Why won't you negotiate with us on this basic procedural matter over a law that was passed in both legislative houses, signed by the executive, upheld by the judicial, validated by the electorate and untouched by more than 40 repeal votes!? What the hell is wrong with you!?"

/ republicans are literally worse than useless
 
2013-10-02 02:24:57 PM  
Breaking Boehner is a new series on AMC...

/didn't read the thread, joke was probably already taken.
 
2013-10-02 02:25:34 PM  

DamnYankees: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

He will concede a fake thing.  Like a commission to make recommendations on improving Obamacare.  Something that has no substance but gives the GOP a small out.

He can't give even a fake thing. He needs to permanently extinguish the idea that you can hold the economy hostage as a negotiating tactic. If he gives anything, the idea stays alive.


I like the idea of what you are saying.   If the President even gives a token thing, I think it will still end this a future tactic of the GOP.  The GOP is on the ground getting their ribs kicked in right now screaming Uncle.  If Obama helps the up, he doesn't lose any face and they won't pick this type of fight again.  However, I also like your approach.
 
2013-10-02 02:25:36 PM  

SkinnyHead: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

Seeing as how Obama agreed to postpone Obamacare penalties for big business for a year, its only fair that individual citizens -- the 99% -- should get the same consideration.  And it is also fair to require members of congress to live with Obamacare like everyone else, without getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to ease the pain.

As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.


So, in other words, Obama already compromised on the mandate for small businesses.  Why are you whining about the President being unwilling to compromise?
 
2013-10-02 02:25:38 PM  

Enuratique: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

[img824.imageshack.us image 316x269]


i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-02 02:25:38 PM  
I have a small side bet that this meeting may include Nancy Pelosi if for no other reason than to illustrate to John Boehner that yes, there is life after the Majority Speakership

Followed by some gentle, but stern, offers to catch him when he falls after he puts the CR out for a vote

Hope she brings kleenex

sorry - i'm snarky today
 
2013-10-02 02:26:52 PM  
Meeting better go like this:

i.perezhilton.com
 
2013-10-02 02:26:57 PM  
Step 1: Throw all Republicans inside a shipping container
Step 2: Lock all doors
Step 3: Throw in 1 bottle of warm water, 1 tire iron, and 1 large, pissed off raccoon.
Step 4: Unlock all doors when they agree to the CR, debt ceiling increase, and leave ACA alone.
 
2013-10-02 02:27:11 PM  

mrshowrules: I like the idea of what you are saying.   If the President even gives a token thing, I think it will still end this a future tactic of the GOP.  The GOP is on the ground getting their ribs kicked in right now screaming Uncle.  If Obama helps the up, he doesn't lose any face and they won't pick this type of fight again.  However, I also like your approach.


Exactly. Remember, this is a freaking 6 week CR! If the Dems give up anything, are we just supposed to keep repeating this process every 6 weeks, ad infinitum?
 
2013-10-02 02:27:23 PM  

FlashHarry: [i42.tinypic.com image 640x360]


Came for this, leaving satisfied.

nekom: syrynxx: He shouldn't even show.  Just borrow that chair from Clint Eastwood.

Oh I LIKE that idea.  Just sit an empty chair in the meeting room.


Oh, fark.  That would be some epic trolling on his end.  E. Pic.
 
2013-10-02 02:27:28 PM  
deepthoughtswithskinnyhead.jpg
 
2013-10-02 02:27:45 PM  

El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?


I agree with you about staffers, but I wouldn't mind seeing all federal elected officials having to fully pay for their own health insurance.
 
2013-10-02 02:27:54 PM  
I don't see why everyone needs to be there other than to have witnesses. Obama needs to look Boehner straight in the eye and say "End this idiocy. Now. It's on your hands, you know this."
 
2013-10-02 02:28:10 PM  

SkinnyHead: I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.


It's impossible to delay the mandate. The pricing in the exchanges depends on their being a mandate. If you delay that, then you have to shutdown the exchanges.
 
2013-10-02 02:28:15 PM  
Ever get the feeling that the Senate and House Republicans are akin to the Russian frontliners in WWI? Reality is the opposition, and behind them is the Tea Party, cheering and shouting... and ready to shoot anyone who dares run away.
 
2013-10-02 02:28:25 PM  
From the Moonie Times:

When President Obama meets with congressional leaders late Wednesday afternoon, he'll ask for nothing other than that Republicans allow the federal government to reopen.

"A negotiation in the Washington sense traditionally implies give-and-take, trade-offs, demands, if you give me this, I'll give you that. The president's approach in this that he's asking for nothing from Republicans," White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters. "He is attaching zero demands to the general proposition that Congress should simply open the government, keep it open. He is asking for nothing, making no demands. He is attaching no partisan strings to his request."


I like this a lot. Notice how Carney is saying that the president is demanding nothing, while strongly implying that likewise the president is offering nothing (as he shouldn't, IMHO). This may be the best played game of chess Hogwarts has seen these many years.
 
2013-10-02 02:28:26 PM  

Weaver95: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

He will concede a fake thing.  Like a commission to make recommendations on improving Obamacare.  Something that has no substance but gives the GOP a small out.

Or he could let the GOP twist in the wind, concede nothing while continuing to show himself as being reasonable .


Either way.  There is no outcome favourable to the GOP.  There are outcomes of varying degrees of pain for the US however.  America is like the parable of the child and the two mothers which King Solomon suggesting splitting in two.  Except with the GOP abducting the child every few years.
 
2013-10-02 02:28:50 PM  

Weaver95: I think even the tea party is starting to realize that they might have gone too far on this one. Problem is...they can't back down or their own people will eat them alive.


If only they would, and put the resulting proceedings on PPV, we could balance the budget, fund the ACA and pay off a few billion in debt in a matter of hours!
 
2013-10-02 02:29:23 PM  
This better not turn out to be a meeting to figure out some way Pelosi, Reed, and Obama can save Boehner's ass from himself and the cretins in his caucus.

I will be extremely unhappy if this turns out to be anything besides the three of them putting the farking screws to the guy.  Because if they save his ass, we'll all be farked again in 2 weeks with the debt ceiling, and again in a few months whenever the next (eventually agreed upon) CR is set to expire.
 
2013-10-02 02:29:52 PM  

BMulligan: From the Moonie Times:

When President Obama meets with congressional leaders late Wednesday afternoon, he'll ask for nothing other than that Republicans allow the federal government to reopen.

"A negotiation in the Washington sense traditionally implies give-and-take, trade-offs, demands, if you give me this, I'll give you that. The president's approach in this that he's asking for nothing from Republicans," White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters. "He is attaching zero demands to the general proposition that Congress should simply open the government, keep it open. He is asking for nothing, making no demands. He is attaching no partisan strings to his request."

I like this a lot. Notice how Carney is saying that the president is demanding nothing, while strongly implying that likewise the president is offering nothing (as he shouldn't, IMHO). This may be the best played game of chess Hogwarts has seen these many years.


I wish they would do more to point out that the Democrats have already concede to funding the CR at the sequester levels. It's a massive compromise they are making,
 
2013-10-02 02:30:12 PM  

quickdraw: nekom: I'd wager that if that's all it took, they'd have a deal. The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.

No. Their final chance to stop ACA like this was before it was put into law. There are processes in place for repealing laws - this isnt it. This is one in a long series of maneuvers to dismantle the US government and place restrictions on reproductive rights.

Ignoring this is like sitting with a guy at a bar and he says  "This drink is drugged. If you drink this I will take you out in a back alley and beat you" and then you drink it and find yourself being beaten in a back alley.

They have been clear for several decades now what their goal is. Perhaps we should take them at their word.


No, their chance was in the courts. The Supremes decided it was constitutional and therefor now law. That is when they lost the fight.
 
2013-10-02 02:30:15 PM  
You don't negotiate with terrorists.
 
2013-10-02 02:30:51 PM  
Anyone remember the scene in Batman where the Joker breaks a pool cue and tells the three guys that he has only one new vacancy in his army?
 
2013-10-02 02:30:55 PM  

SkinnyHead: James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.

Seeing as how Obama agreed to postpone Obamacare penalties for big business for a year, its only fair that individual citizens -- the 99% -- should get the same consideration.  And it is also fair to require members of congress to live with Obamacare like everyone else, without getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to ease the pain.

As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.


I think you picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
 
2013-10-02 02:31:25 PM  

nekom: The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.


This is true.  They've been railing against Obamacare since the day it became law.  40+ times they've tried to repeal it.  If they don't stop it now, they'll have failed their base voters.  They've really backed themselves into a corner, and have nothing left to fight with but a shutdown and default.
 
2013-10-02 02:31:26 PM  
I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).  It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.

OTOH, if it ends, they'll only have about 3 cycles of news stories about how difficult it is to restart things, and then what will they report on?  They'll have to get an early start covering anticipated GOP terrorism in the debt ceiling debate, I guess.
 
2013-10-02 02:31:39 PM  

mrshowrules: Weaver95: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

He will concede a fake thing.  Like a commission to make recommendations on improving Obamacare.  Something that has no substance but gives the GOP a small out.

Or he could let the GOP twist in the wind, concede nothing while continuing to show himself as being reasonable .

Either way.  There is no outcome favourable to the GOP.  There are outcomes of varying degrees of pain for the US however.  America is like the parable of the child and the two mothers which King Solomon suggesting splitting in two.  Except with the GOP abducting the child every few years.


Which is why Obama shouldnt make a deal with the GOP. He should stand firm, let them continue to appear as unreasonable jerks and let the voters know who is hurting them and why they're doing it.
 
2013-10-02 02:33:29 PM  
 
2013-10-02 02:33:37 PM  

BMulligan: birdmanesq: That's like the White Sox asking the Twins to trade Joe Mauer in return for four whole fried chickens and a coke.

Throw in some dry white toast and we have a deal.


What, no glass of water??
 
2013-10-02 02:33:48 PM  

DamnYankees: I wish they would do more to point out that the Democrats have already concede to funding the CR at the sequester levels. It's a massive compromise they are making,


No kidding.  Get that $986B out there.  I heard Pelosi saying it a few times Monday night, but that's about it.
 
2013-10-02 02:34:27 PM  
SkinnyHead: As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.

Or it could be to illustrate that while he continues to try to meet and speak with Boehner (who, from all reports isn't speaking to members of his own caucus) the GOP remains leaderless and without any working alternate proposals.
I am fairly sure delaying the individual mandate, given yesterday's flood of internet inquires, is off the table.
 
2013-10-02 02:35:25 PM  
He should've invited Cruz....for the lulz.
 
2013-10-02 02:36:10 PM  
 
2013-10-02 02:36:40 PM  

NewportBarGuy: "John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."


Can we stop equating my favorite drink to this dipped-in-spraytan asshole ;_;
 
2013-10-02 02:36:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


I don't necessarily agree with this.  He can grant a (very) small delay in a (very) minor part of the law, something they can try to use as a fig leaf.  Along with the message, "This is it, guys.  Nothing more on Obamacare."  Something to convince them that they'll be able to go back to their rabid pinhead teadhadists without being torn to shreds.

They will be torn to shreds, of course.  They will.

Which is why...*plugging in popcorn popper*...I suggest it.
 
2013-10-02 02:37:17 PM  
Boner and the Turtle are coming to the White House to ask for a way to give in that doesn't make them look stupid. I doubt the President will be able to help them with that.
 
2013-10-02 02:37:21 PM  
In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"
 
2013-10-02 02:37:42 PM  
Earlier today, as an offer to end the shutdown, Reid sent Boehner a letter offering to set up a budget conference to address the GOP's fiscal concerns. I seriously doubt that just a few hours later the Dems would fold on almost everything the GOP has asked for, when the GOP is taking a public beating, and the list of defecting GOP House members has grown from 12 yesterday to 17 today.
 
2013-10-02 02:37:48 PM  

Garet Garrett: I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR). It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.


Says the guy carrying water for the GOP House.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:07 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


Yeah, saw this headline a little while ago. Very concerned, even if all he does is hear Boehner out. This type of crap should never be validated.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:19 PM  

mrshowrules: You forget to tell them to go get their shine box but I like it


Your jib. I like the cut of it.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7051965696/h924C34DD/
 
2013-10-02 02:38:29 PM  

Daniel Newhauser
@dnewhauser

Ryan reportedly workin on debt limit, CR deal. I reported last mo he had tried to trade sequester for ACA delay http://cq.com/doc/news-4341517?wr=UEhZTDhpeFBiKnFHeFZvZUFHQTR5UQ ...


There's nothing about that I like.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:47 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government



I don't think it's a blink to offer to talk about something completely different from the GOP's demands. If a single thing is taken away from the ACA, THEN that will be a blink.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:59 PM  

thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.


Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.  That, and to prevent a one year delay in the individual mandate penalties that they want to inflict on ordinary folks.  So if people are going without pay because of Harry Reid's shutdown, they should know that they are suffering for a good cause -- to make sure that Harry Reid and other democrats in congress can continue to get their perks.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:11 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


From your link:

Reid sent a letter to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) pledging to appoint negotiators to a budget conference if House Republicans relent on a six-week funding stopgap.

The budget conference is something Democrats have long sought, however, and the proposal was quickly shot down by Boehner's office.


He has wanted this for some time, now. How has he blinked?
 
2013-10-02 02:39:13 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


That's not Reid blinking. He's saying that if the House passes a clean CR, then he'll appoint conferees - that's something the Democrats have been begging the GOP to do for 6 months! Reid isn't budging at all.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:22 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


No he didn't. The GOP were shouting that the Senate hadn't passed a budget, so they did. Then the House refused to sit down for budgetary reconciliation for months, requiring a continuing resolution to keep paying people. The reason the House has refused to sit down for reconciliation is that the GOP don't want to actually negotiate. What Reid is 'offering' here is the opportunity for the GOP to do their jobs if only they'll do their jobs.

Which is also why Boehner outright refused.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:31 PM  
Hey if Fox is calling the shutdown a slimdown, Can I call skinnyhead skinnydowns?
 
2013-10-02 02:39:37 PM  

Garet Garrett: They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).


You've got to be kidding.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:18 PM  

Heliovdrake: Hey if Fox is calling the shutdown a slimdown, Can I call skinnyhead skinnydowns?


As long as you add "yndrome" to the end of it.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:47 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


Horseshiat and gunsmoke. They've been trying to get the GOP into conference to actually have DISCUSSIONS on shiat for years now. That's Reid's briar patch, and he's telling Brer Boehner not to toss him in it.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:47 PM  

Garet Garrett: I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).  It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.


I'm pretty sure most of those people are more essential than you.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:53 PM  

mrshowrules: Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"

This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.


I'm pretty sure many people have seen that movie and made the same joke.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:56 PM  

NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.


If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:57 PM  

Kibbler: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

I don't necessarily agree with this.  He can grant a (very) small delay in a (very) minor part of the law, something they can try to use as a fig leaf.  Along with the message, "This is it, guys.  Nothing more on Obamacare."  Something to convince them that they'll be able to go back to their rabid pinhead teadhadists without being torn to shreds.

They will be torn to shreds, of course.  They will.

Which is why...*plugging in popcorn popper*...I suggest it.


He can't give even a tiny thing. He needs to permanently extinguish the idea that you can hold the economy hostage as a negotiating tactic. If he gives anything, the idea stays alive . Remember, this is a freaking 6 week CR! If the Dems give up anything, are we just supposed to keep repeating this process every 6 weeks, ad infinitum?
 
2013-10-02 02:41:12 PM  

rtaylor92: Yeah, saw this headline a little while ago. Very concerned, even if all he does is hear Boehner out. This type of crap should never be validated.


I'm just hoping its him offering to make the tax system even more progressive. "What? I said I'd offer you reforms, I didn't say anything about how favorable they'd be for you"
 
2013-10-02 02:41:15 PM  
SkinnyHead:
The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.  It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?


  The "special subsidies" you mentioned? those are the same as what "ordinary people" get from their employer.

  If you want to argue that the congress, senate, POTUS, military, et al are ALL getting "special subsidies" because they are getting employer-based assistance then it isn't "special" anymore since nearly all working americans get that too.
 
2013-10-02 02:41:29 PM  

SkinnyHead: thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.

Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.  That, and to prevent a one year delay in the individual mandate penalties that they want to inflict on ordinary folks.  So if people are going without pay because of Harry Reid's shutdown, they should know that they are suffering for a good cause -- to make sure that Harry Reid and other democrats in congress can continue to get their perks.


Um...that's not even remotely close to reality.....
 
2013-10-02 02:41:44 PM  

Bane of Broone: mrshowrules: Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"

This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.

I'm pretty sure many people have seen that movie and made the same joke.


i dont think so

i mean it is possible but very unlikely
 
2013-10-02 02:41:52 PM  

Bontesla: Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.


Sure.  If we're negotiating on ACA, let's throw the Bush Tax Cuts back into the mix and revisit those also.
 
2013-10-02 02:41:58 PM  

DamnYankees: MarshHawk: DamnYankees: Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Instead of getting tense about shutdown, many Rs from defund camp are ecstatic; after Romney defeat, Boehner probs, think Rs showing spine


What does this mean?  I don't speak twitter or NRO.

What's not to understand. The House GOP caucus is ecstatic about this, they aren't going to fold.



Sorry, it's the part after the semicolon that is throwing me.  Probably not important anyhow.
 
2013-10-02 02:42:07 PM  

Garet Garrett: I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).  It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.

OTOH, if it ends, they'll only have about 3 cycles of news stories about how difficult it is to restart things, and then what will they report on?  They'll have to get an early start covering anticipated GOP terrorism in the debt ceiling debate, I guess.
 WHY WON'T THE MEDIA STOP BLAMING THE GOP HOUSE AND START BLAMING OBAMA INSTEAD?!?!?!?!


FTFY
 
2013-10-02 02:42:13 PM  

bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"


What movie is this?
 
2013-10-02 02:42:39 PM  
Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!
 
2013-10-02 02:43:25 PM  

thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.


Actually, it's worse than that.  It would be as if your employer said "we're cancelling your group insurance policy, you need to go buy insurance yourself.  Oh, and the money we were previously contributing to your health insurance?  We're just going to keep that."
 
2013-10-02 02:43:26 PM  
on the next Real Politicians of Washington D.C.


/it's like watching reality tv.
//i can't watch reality tv.
 
2013-10-02 02:43:31 PM  
Given that some of these morons obviously (by voting record and their own rhetoric) are working against many aspects of the constitution, and obviously have the shutdown of the government - a patently destructive act and existential threat to the contry - as a primary goal, how is this not levying War? I know Treason is a (rightly) a high bar to reach, but sme of these traitor to the constitution seem to be trying very hard to reach it.

Or, failing that standard, can we simply define the blatant and deliberate act of forcing a government shutdown to be evidence they have abdicated their office? They clearly don't want to participate anymore, so we don't even bother with impeachment - simply elect/promote their successor as required by local law/custom.
 
2013-10-02 02:43:46 PM  

Clutch2013: bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"

What movie is this?


The in production name is A F*cking Awesome Movie
 
2013-10-02 02:43:47 PM  
Many, many years ago, during a short non-billable period working for a software contracting firm, I was tasked with calling customers who had purchased a SW library but had not purchased a runtime license.  I was told I could go as low as $15k when negotiating the price for an unlimited license.

So, when I called, I offered an unlimited license for $15k.  If asked if there was any wiggle room on the price, my response was, "If you want to negotiate, the price is $30k".

If the GOP wants to negotiate, Obama should start with a comprehensive firearms ban in exchange for defunding Obamacare.  Not assault weapons -- firearms.  All of them.

When the other side starts to claim it's impossible, tell them he'll give up his impossible demand in exchange for them giving up theirs.  There... we've negotiated.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:03 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.


Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:18 PM  
Chad Pergram @ChadPergram

Budget Chair Murray cites dates each time Cruz, Lee, Paul & Rubio objected to unanimous consent request to go conference on budget.


Now this should be a video montage that everyone in the country is forced to see especially whenever a Republican says "but we don't want to shutdown the government!"
 
2013-10-02 02:44:24 PM  

Clutch2013: bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"

What movie is this?


I like the exchange from Firefly better. He simply kicks the guy and the guy gets sucked into the engine.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:28 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!


Maybe he just wants to level his conjuration skills?
 
2013-10-02 02:44:32 PM  
Quick question what is the wording like for this 6 week CR? Does it say something like, this document funds the government for six weeks? Or does it set a specific date for when government funding ends under that CR?
Cause I could if the latter is true I can see the republicans waiting until a few days before the date when that CR ends, passing the thing then shutting the government back down and saying "look we gave in opened up the government and Obama imedently shut it back down."
 
2013-10-02 02:44:43 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!


Come on, son. With a tell like that, your'e never gonna get out of the bush leagues.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:50 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Daniel Newhauser @dnewhauser:Ryan reportedly workin on debt limit, CR deal. I reported last mo he had tried to trade sequester for ACA delay http://cq.com/doc/news-4341517?wr=UEhZTDhpeFBiKnFHeFZvZUFHQTR5UQ ...

There's nothing about that I like.


And if anyone is synonymous with being in touch with the American public and delivering victory to his party, it's... Paul Ryan?  The "I totally ran a three hour marathon." guy? You're trusting him with the numbers?
 
2013-10-02 02:45:08 PM  

sprawl15: Bane of Broone: mrshowrules: Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"

This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.

I'm pretty sure many people have seen that movie and made the same joke.

i dont think so

i mean it is possible but very unlikely


Sweet. Stewart's writers are following my feeds.
 
2013-10-02 02:45:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Clutch2013: bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"

What movie is this?

I like the exchange from Firefly better. He simply kicks the guy and the guy gets sucked into the engine.


I miss Firefly...
 
2013-10-02 02:46:15 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


He'll appoint folks to talk about something tomorrow if they fix shiat today.  I'm okay with that.
 
2013-10-02 02:47:39 PM  
Two things should happen here

1) Obama says you get nothing.  Put the clean CR to a vote tomorrow.  All Dems and a fair number of Rs will vote for it
2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker

Have Obama go on TV at 8 tonight and tell America that the Government can open tomorrow if Boehner brings the Senate bill to the floor.  That's all the Republicans have to do.
 
2013-10-02 02:48:45 PM  
Breaking Boner
 
2013-10-02 02:48:48 PM  

Nadie_AZ: quickdraw: nekom: I'd wager that if that's all it took, they'd have a deal. The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.

No. Their final chance to stop ACA like this was before it was put into law. There are processes in place for repealing laws - this isnt it. This is one in a long series of maneuvers to dismantle the US government and place restrictions on reproductive rights.

Ignoring this is like sitting with a guy at a bar and he says  "This drink is drugged. If you drink this I will take you out in a back alley and beat you" and then you drink it and find yourself being beaten in a back alley.

They have been clear for several decades now what their goal is. Perhaps we should take them at their word.

No, their chance was in the courts. The Supremes decided it was constitutional and therefor now law. That is when they lost the fight.


Well sure but by that time it was out of their hands. Anyways what Im getting at is that its just the excuse du jour and that focusing on ACA at this point is ignoring the real issue which is that these guys are soldiers in a very public dominionist power grab.

I hope I am wrong but I think we are facing the very real possibility that their goal is to drag this out to the point where our systems are irreparably damaged. Thereby disabling all those pesky regulatory agencies at one go. If thats the case I think we can expect this shut down to last as long as they can drag it out.
 
2013-10-02 02:48:55 PM  

Ring of Fire: Quick question what is the wording like for this 6 week CR? Does it say something like, this document funds the government for six weeks? Or does it set a specific date for when government funding ends under that CR?


This is the CR that expired on the 30th and lasted the full year.

This is one that just extended funding for two weeks.

We need something like the former, but a short term extension could look like the latter.
 
2013-10-02 02:49:25 PM  

Car_Ramrod: I want John and Mitch to walk in, say their piece, Obama writes studiously on a notepad, and slides this over while saying, "This is my final offer:

[demonsresume.files.wordpress.com image 720x384]

Fark. You."


s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Someone needs to photoshop Obama in place of Batman.
 
2013-10-02 02:49:33 PM  
cdn2.screenjunkies.com

A President stands alone at the plate...
 
2013-10-02 02:49:39 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


IMO the individual mandate is the best farking thing about ACA. Why does the GOP want to do away with it? Those fines for not getting insured, excuse me, "taxes", should be higher.
 
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2013-10-02 02:49:46 PM  
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2013-10-02 02:49:49 PM  
Also I almost forgot.

SkinnyHead still refuses to even come to the table about the 2 years of totalfark that he owes me.


Wont even bother to acknowledge it, let alone open negotiations.

Why? Is he too busy doping candy with knockout chemicals in his attempt to sell toddlers to 3rd world dictators?

Maybe, Im just asking questions..

You owe me two years of Total Fark SkinnyHead.  Don't forget, I want them bought individually in 1 month segments until you reach the full two years worth.

You are being very very unreasonable SkinnyHead, and the people see that.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:01 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: 2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker


Oh god, that's... that's farking brilliant. He'll never go for it, but I so totally wish it would happen. The derpstorm in the wake of that would be a joy to behold.

You sir, are evil. And I like that.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:40 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.


Yeah; besides, why give the pricks the attention?  Would rather see them squirm.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:43 PM  

SkinnyHead: thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.

Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.  That, and to prevent a one year delay in the individual mandate penalties that they want to inflict on ordinary folks.  So if people are going without pay because of Harry Reid's shutdown, they should know that they are suffering for a good cause -- to make sure that Harry Reid and other democrats in congress can continue to get their perks.


That's some fine trolling.

You also left out how the ACA treats abortion as a weight loss program.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:46 PM  
Why is Boehner invited?  They should have invited a contingent of Teamas party.  They're the ones wielding the power in the house, not Boehner.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:53 PM  
The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?
 
2013-10-02 02:50:59 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!


He'll probably eat crackers during the meeting, too.
 
2013-10-02 02:51:28 PM  

ManateeGag: the only thing he should give Boehner and McConnell is his pimp hand

/and that biatch Pelosi too.


And one for Jenny and the wimp.
 
2013-10-02 02:51:46 PM  

Mercutio74: Why is Boehner invited?  They should have invited a contingent of Teamas party.  They're the ones wielding the power in the house, not Boehner.


If you know a dog isn't housebroken, and you've got a nice rug, you don't invite the dog in to shiat on your rug.
 
2013-10-02 02:52:02 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: 2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker


He can't be speaker for long if he doesn't get reelected in 2014.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:09 PM  

flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?


You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:30 PM  
They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:44 PM  

naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.


You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:44 PM  

Stile4aly: thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.

Actually, it's worse than that.  It would be as if your employer said "we're cancelling your group insurance policy, you need to go buy insurance yourself.  Oh, and the money we were previously contributing to your health insurance?  We're just going to keep that."


Right. And under the ACA law, if your employer has more than 50 employees or your part-time, they cannot cancel the policy and throw you on the exchange.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:06 PM  

SkinnyHead: I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.


i LOVE the postpone for a year thing. as if a year from now the GOP will stay silent as obamacare is implemented.

/and yes i know you're trolling
 
2013-10-02 02:54:24 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


Hah, look at this guy.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:26 PM  

quickdraw: Nadie_AZ: quickdraw: nekom: I'd wager that if that's all it took, they'd have a deal. The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.

No. Their final chance to stop ACA like this was before it was put into law. There are processes in place for repealing laws - this isnt it. This is one in a long series of maneuvers to dismantle the US government and place restrictions on reproductive rights.

Ignoring this is like sitting with a guy at a bar and he says  "This drink is drugged. If you drink this I will take you out in a back alley and beat you" and then you drink it and find yourself being beaten in a back alley.

They have been clear for several decades now what their goal is. Perhaps we should take them at their word.

No, their chance was in the courts. The Supremes decided it was constitutional and therefor now law. That is when they lost the fight.

Well sure but by that time it was out of their hands. Anyways what Im getting at is that its just the excuse du jour and that focusing on ACA at this point is ignoring the real issue which is that these guys are soldiers in a very public dominionist power grab.

I hope I am wrong but I think we are facing the very real possibility that their goal is to drag this out to the point where our systems are irreparably damaged. Thereby disabling all those pesky regulatory agencies at one go. If thats the case I think we can expect this shut down to last as long as they can drag it out.


I don't think it is anyone's position to destroy the system that affords them a life of luxury. I hate them all (red or blue), but I don't believe they'd sabotage themselves.

With regard to the original post. I agree its the last shot to change the ACA. YES, you can repeal laws, but the majority of them stay in effect. I don't *hate* the ACA, but with how complicated modern legislation is, you're damn right this stuff gets rushed and ear marked with too much special interest.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:54 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


You are one of them.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:04 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards


And that is based on...?
 
2013-10-02 02:55:17 PM  

naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.


You agree that Republicans getting arrested would justify mass executions because political violence solves nothing?

That's an awkward set of principles.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:25 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


As the House is up for elections sooner than the White House or many Senators, I'd think they wouldn't last long in the stand off.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:39 PM  
Things will start to happen when people like the Koch Brothers start to lose money over this. Until then we're screwed.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:49 PM  

Cyclometh: Hah, look at this guy.


He'll never let go.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:53 PM  

sinanju: If the GOP wants to negotiate, Obama should start with a comprehensive firearms ban in exchange for defunding Obamacare.  Not assault weapons -- firearms.  All of them.


No, don't tie in this gun grabbing crap. I'm a two time Obama voter, but do not agree with the gun-grabby stuff. It's too "American" for many Obama voters. That's an integral right of being a US Citizen: we can get guns if we want them.

I'll vote R (And do not underestimate how hard it would be for me to even consider voting R again ever) if we get back on this gun control stupidity. The "War on Guns" is just as much an unwinnable "war" as the "War on Drugs". Both are here in the country in large amounts, and other than going full totalitarian surveilance, there ain't no way to get rid of either.

I think the majority of people who voted for Obama think the same. Just the super-leftists want to get rid of guns, and they are as stupid as tea-partiers in being unable to see the reality of an issue. Don't derail the progress we're making for something retarded as gun-grabbing.
 
2013-10-02 02:56:05 PM  

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?


The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.
 
2013-10-02 02:56:19 PM  

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?


His very, very strong need for it to be so.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:14 PM  

Mad Scientist: SkinnyHead:  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.

I think you're delusional.


I don't think he understands what the word "clean" means in this context.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:15 PM  

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.


I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "exclusive" and also the Constitution. The "power of the purse" does not mean that the Senate has to pass whatever crap the House comes up with.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:24 PM  
 
2013-10-02 02:58:31 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: 2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker


I read that WP article, too. It kind of makes sense, so there's no way that Boenher will go for it.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:35 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


Not really. Tying everything to ObamaCare after it had gone into affect was a huge mistake. The Dems can sit back and wait a month to get data on how many people gain insurance through the law, then say that if they give into the GOP demands, that means millions of Americans will lose their health insurance.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:39 PM  

naturalbornposer: I don't think it is anyone's position to destroy the system that affords them a life of luxury. I hate them all (red or blue), but I don't believe they'd sabotage themselves.


They don't think of it as sabotaging themselves. They don't understand they are part of a larger interdependent community. They are God's chosen and if they are pure enough God will provide.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:52 PM  

clambam: Things will start to happen when people like the Koch Brothers start to lose money over this. Until then we're screwed.


That's why it's likely we'll see this end sometime between the 10th and 17th.  The Kochs are probably trying to assess whether the Dems are serious this time or not.  Let's face it, the Kochs (and the other .01 %ers) have way more to loose in a default than the Dems.

However, there is a non-zero chance that not even the Kochs have direct control over the Frankenstein monster that is the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:55 PM  

monoski: End of shut-down or just a Pelosi gang-bang?
//how is that lunch sitting in your belly now?


i1089.photobucket.com


Not bad.

I'm sure you look great, for your age, which appears to be about eight or nine years old.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:02 PM  

sprawl15: Ring of Fire: Quick question what is the wording like for this 6 week CR? Does it say something like, this document funds the government for six weeks? Or does it set a specific date for when government funding ends under that CR?

This is the CR that expired on the 30th and lasted the full year.

This is one that just extended funding for two weeks.

We need something like the former, but a short term extension could look like the latter.


Thanks so if I'm reading those right and the CR that's sitting on Boehner's desk that was passed by the Senate looks like the second one than the clock is already ticking on those 6 weeks.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:05 PM  
SkinnyHead:  Here's my prediction.

*chortle*
 
2013-10-02 02:59:23 PM  

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.


That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:58 PM  

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


Read your own link.  "The budget conference is something Democrats have long sought, however, and the proposal was quickly shot down by Boehner's office." "Senate Democrats have repeatedly called for a budget conference, yet Reid's letter framed it as a concession to end the government shutdown."

It's not a blink.  Reid still wants a clean CR.  The Democrats have been trying to get the Republicans in to an actual budget conference for months, but the Republicans wouldn't go.  This is putting more public pressure on the Republicans to pass the clean bill.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:59 PM  
No.

Not unless he has Boehner and crew arrested for doing willful harm to America because they didn't get their way in 2012 and failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act 40+ times and went on legislative strike.

And no one wants to see that happen.
 
2013-10-02 03:00:13 PM  

Heliovdrake: Hey if Fox is calling the shutdown a slimdown, Can I call skinnyhead skinnydowns?


How about Shuthead?
 
2013-10-02 03:00:15 PM  

InmanRoshi: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.


The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.
 
2013-10-02 03:01:00 PM  

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.



yeah, you'd think they'd be willing to fund what they've already spent but these are odd times where the power of the purse should be used as a hostage for alternative negotiations huh?
 
2013-10-02 03:01:28 PM  

bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"


While that's a very attractive notion, it may be impractical. In all seriousness, this is what I'd like the president to say:

"Senators, Mr. Speaker, Madame Congresswoman - thank you all so much for appearing on such short notice. I know your time is valuable, as is mine, so I'll get right down to cases. Mr. Speaker, you appear to have a problem. I am sympathetic to your situation, but I must point out that it is a problem entirely of your own making. You will need to find a solution, and you will need to find it immediately. Let me make clear that your solution will not include any changes to the Affordable Care Act, nor any spending reductions beyond those already forced by the sequester. Furthermore - and please, listen carefully, because this is important - your solution will not under any circumstances involve any linkage or connection to the debt ceiling. Should you try to entangle this problem with the Congress' absolute duty to assure that this country not default on its obligations, you will find that you have made a tactical blunder of historic proportions. Know that I am dead serious about this - I will personally make sure that the remainder of your political career is short and extremely unpleasant. Now then, I'm sure you are all able to show yourselves out. Good day."
 
2013-10-02 03:01:31 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?
 
2013-10-02 03:01:33 PM  

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.


Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.
 
2013-10-02 03:01:50 PM  
Dont make Obama take off his belt!
 
2013-10-02 03:02:25 PM  

Ned Stark: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You agree that Republicans getting arrested would justify mass executions because political violence solves nothing?

That's an awkward set of principles.


Overthrow by the people. Different than eradication by authoritarian regime, as the original post suggested.
 
2013-10-02 03:02:53 PM  
First line of order: Boehner puts the "clean" CR Bill on the floor.  It passes easily with BIPARTISAN support, just as it passed with BIPARTISAN support in the Senate.  (Sorry lazy media and career C- student journalists, this is not an issue of the two parties unable to find commong ground ....they've already found common ground)

Second line of order:  Harry Reid goes through the sequestor item by item and gets an up or down vote ont it.  Every Senator goes on record voting for or against cancer or Alzheimer research.
 
2013-10-02 03:03:16 PM  

Heraclitus: Dont make Obama take off his belt!


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-02 03:04:28 PM  

naturalbornposer: Overthrow by the people. Different than eradication by authoritarian regime, as the original post suggested.


Sadly, history has shown that today's "Overthrow by the people" is tomorrow's "Eradication by Authoritarian Regime"

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-10-02 03:04:36 PM  

Tax Boy: Step 1: Obama invites congressional leadership to white house
Step 2: Obama isn't there, but secret service is
Step 3: Have secret service lock them in room without food or drink
Step 4: Obama goes to Asia as planned
Step 5: Obama returns 2 weeks later to either a reopened government, or 4 dead former congressional leaders

Win-Win


that's the only part of your plan I have a problem with
 
2013-10-02 03:04:54 PM  

dwrash: http://history.house.gov/Institution/Origins-Development/Power-of-the - Purse/


did you just not read it all the way through?

Subsequent Reforms

In 1865, after the Civil War had created a nearly $3 billion national debt and spending exceeded a billion dollars a year, Congress reformed its funding process to handle the government's new demands. The House separated the Ways and Means Committee's taxing and spending functions. The Appropriations Committee was established to fund programs, while Ways and Means retained jurisdiction on tax policy. House leadership and other committees also tried to influence the appropriations process, and the lack of coordination over the years led to high deficits and the implementation of the federal income tax in 1913. Congress passed the Budget and Accounting Act in 1921 to address some of the coordination problems it faced funding government programs. This law centralized many of the budgeting functions with the President, who still has considerable agenda-setting power with the federal budget and submits a draft budget to Congress at the beginning of every year. The appropriations process has been reformed multiple times since 1921, including notable restructurings with the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 and the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Acts of 1985 and 1987.
 
2013-10-02 03:05:07 PM  

SkinnyHead: Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.

fc07.deviantart.net

1/10

 
2013-10-02 03:05:23 PM  

thornhill: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

Not really. Tying everything to ObamaCare after it had gone into affect was a huge mistake. The Dems can sit back and wait a month to get data on how many people gain insurance through the law, then say that if they give into the GOP demands, that means millions of Americans will lose their health insurance.


Yep.  After January 1st,  the narrative  moves to "Republicans trying to rip private healthcare coverage from tens of millions of Americans".
 
2013-10-02 03:05:29 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


Lol yeah.
 
2013-10-02 03:05:36 PM  

Mercutio74: Why is Boehner invited?  They should have invited a contingent of Teamas party.  They're the ones wielding the power in the house, not Boehner.


Divide and conquer. Every time Boehner gets flayed for something the teabaggers did is one more shot he takes while muttering about them under his breath.
 
2013-10-02 03:06:11 PM  

Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?


Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.
 
2013-10-02 03:06:40 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


It's no where near as simple as you think.
 
2013-10-02 03:06:59 PM  

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.


Actually it's a semicolon.

See after the but:  "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills."
- U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1


Note that the proposal to defund Obamacare and all subsequent offers have been amendments to the continuing resolution.
 
Bf+
2013-10-02 03:07:35 PM  
Let's see... How do I put this in the Tea Party's own words...  I know!
ironwhirlygig.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-02 03:07:50 PM  

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.


So fix the farking thing. That's what legislators are paid to do.
 
2013-10-02 03:07:51 PM  
Photoshop I made back then kinda seems relevant again:

i90.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-02 03:07:54 PM  

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.


You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.
 
2013-10-02 03:08:14 PM  

naturalbornposer: The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.


i disagree.

I believe their numbers (the "minority"? let's call the TEA Patriots shall we?) are inflated by their media & their own perverted beliefs.

there is us and them as i would never consider supporting the type of tactics they use to govern no would i give in to their social beliefs or irresponsible uneducated political stance.

there are such things as majority rule & minority rights but these people aren't even a minority, they are a fringe, a lunatic fringe actually, they are Republicans who were embarrassed by the Lil'Bush Administration.

/never forget
 
2013-10-02 03:08:54 PM  

dwrash: Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue


Wow, you really are that dense. The law is funded through mandatory spending. It doesn't require any new legislation from Congress to continue. It's continuing right now.
 
2013-10-02 03:09:12 PM  

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.


You know that the ACA is in effect right now and not at all hindered by the shutdown right?
 
2013-10-02 03:10:15 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.


It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.
 
2013-10-02 03:10:46 PM  

Heliovdrake: You know that the ACA is in effect right now and not at all hindered by the shutdown right?


Of course he knows that because it's been pointed out to him repeatedly.  He's just posting because he gets a thrill from seeing his name repeatedly highlighted in people's replies.  Any attention is good attention.
 
2013-10-02 03:11:04 PM  

DamnYankees: He can't give even a fake thing. He needs to permanently extinguish the idea that you can hold the economy hostage as a negotiating tactic. If he gives anything, the idea stays alive.


but bill clinton would have negotiated with literal terrorists holding the government hostage at their every whim and furthermore comma
 
2013-10-02 03:11:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue

Wow, you really are that dense. The law is funded through mandatory spending. It doesn't require any new legislation from Congress to continue. It's continuing right now.


Oh now you gone done it...Lyon told him unfiltered reality and factual information! Back up a bit cause his brain is done gonna pop!
 
2013-10-02 03:11:06 PM  

naturalbornposer: InmanRoshi: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.

The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.


The US could stand to divide a couple of times anyway. Its farking huge country with cultural diversity at least comparable to Europe and that place has a whole mess of countries. All off us could end up with closer more easily changed government and the whole of us would be less of a dire threat to the peace and stability of the sandier parts of the world.

Its to bad it probably couldn't be done without everyone flipping out and liquidating each other. Oh well.
 
2013-10-02 03:11:07 PM  

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.


Obama should counteroffer.  You're right.  He should negotiate.  He should allow the unclean CR to pass for something in return.

National gun registry?  Fair is fair, right?
 
2013-10-02 03:11:17 PM  

Isitoveryet: naturalbornposer: The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.

i disagree.

I believe their numbers (the "minority"? let's call the TEA Patriots shall we?) are inflated by their media & their own perverted beliefs.

there is us and them as i would never consider supporting the type of tactics they use to govern no would i give in to their social beliefs or irresponsible uneducated political stance.

there are such things as majority rule & minority rights but these people aren't even a minority, they are a fringe, a lunatic fringe actually, they are Republicans who were embarrassed by the Lil'Bush Administration.

/never forget


So what you are proposing is the oppression of a minority group because you don't recognize their ideas as valid? How progressive and intellectual of you.
 
2013-10-02 03:11:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.


well libulardo i looked at the constitution again and i dont see harry reid's name in it anywhere
 
2013-10-02 03:11:31 PM  

dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.


Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?
 
2013-10-02 03:12:36 PM  

sprawl15: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

well libulardo i looked at the constitution again and i dont see harry reid's name in it anywhere


OH DEAR I'VE BEEN SO WRONG ALL THESE YEARS
 
2013-10-02 03:12:59 PM  
Boehner  has no influence over his party, the Tea Party is calling all the shots. Other than demonstrating again the the Dems are not going to cave to terrorists and are willing to meet when they have something to say, this has no real purpose.
 
2013-10-02 03:13:11 PM  

Tax Boy: Step 1: Obama invites congressional leadership to white house
Step 2: Obama isn't there, but secret service is
Step 3: Have secret service lock them in room without food or drink
Step 4: Obama goes to Asia as planned
Step 5: Obama returns 2 weeks later to either a reopened government, or 4 dead former congressional leaders

Win-Win


1) funny
B) you dont think that they would LIKE to get out of the room?
 
2013-10-02 03:13:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.

Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?


You broke his brain. Smashed his CPU. Slagged his OS. He's done for.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:09 PM  

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: 
Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue..


What.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?


Can I deliberate on that for a bit before I answer?
 
2013-10-02 03:15:03 PM  

SkinnyHead: As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.


I'm thinking a nice floral arrangement. That way, the room will look and smell nice when he tells the Republicans to pound sand.

/Maybe a box of doughnuts if he's feeling charitable.
 
2013-10-02 03:15:13 PM  

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.

Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?

You broke his brain. Smashed his CPU. Slagged his OS. He's done for.


I think my work here is done today.
 
2013-10-02 03:15:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?


Based on the fact that if some kind of compromise isn't achieved, then the crazy Tea Party politicians are screwed.
 
2013-10-02 03:15:50 PM  

Heliovdrake: dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.

You know that the ACA is in effect right now and not at all hindered by the shutdown right?


Yup.. but I think that it should be delayed one year (at least the penalty part) just like it was done for congress and and the unions, to avoid the appearance of cronyism.

The 2.5% tax on medical device manufactures is just plain stupid and has been proven to be driving jobs over seas.

Also, since the Supreme Court struck down the black mail portion of the bill that was trying to strong arm the states into expanding medicare and medicaid in their states (which is the part of the bill that would have helped the poor and needy the most), this should be revisited and funded properly before rolling out the entire thing.

But than again, i would have been much happier with a single payer system, with additional policies to get coverage above the minimum provided (like the medicare supplement system) over the mess that this bill is... but I honestly am not sure how you could implement this without putting the country into another recession.
 
2013-10-02 03:16:30 PM  

naturalbornposer: So what you are proposing is the oppression of a minority group because you don't recognize their ideas as valid? How progressive and intellectual of you.



oppress? why would that be necessary? i would simply ignore them.
I have no problem with their existence.
 
2013-10-02 03:17:03 PM  
Ned Stark:

The US could stand to divide a couple of times anyway. Its farking huge country with cultural diversity at least comparable to Europe and that place has a whole mess of countries. All off us could end up with closer more easily changed government and the whole of us would be less of a dire threat to the peace and stability of the sandier parts of the world.
Its to bad it probably couldn't be done without everyone flipping out and liquidating each other. Oh well.


I agree. A possible route is reemphasizing states' rights while preserving the union, but so far we can't tolerate our own diversities.
 
2013-10-02 03:18:01 PM  
"Asked what the point of a meeting between President Obama and Republicans over the government shutdown was if President Obama had no intention of budging on the funding of the government, White House press secretary Jay Carney had no answer. "


the press appears to be on top of things.
 
2013-10-02 03:18:33 PM  
Leave the mother shut down for the next 10 years, nobody will notice.
 
2013-10-02 03:18:38 PM  

sinanju: Many, many years ago, during a short non-billable period working for a software contracting firm, I was tasked with calling customers who had purchased a SW library but had not purchased a runtime license.  I was told I could go as low as $15k when negotiating the price for an unlimited license.

So, when I called, I offered an unlimited license for $15k.  If asked if there was any wiggle room on the price, my response was, "If you want to negotiate, the price is $30k".

If the GOP wants to negotiate, Obama should start with a comprehensive firearms ban in exchange for defunding Obamacare.  Not assault weapons -- firearms.  All of them.

When the other side starts to claim it's impossible, tell them he'll give up his impossible demand in exchange for them giving up theirs.  There... we've negotiated.


And when they refuse, start adding things:
100 billion for food stamps. still no
tax all income at the same rate, no more special rates for special types of income, inheritance, cap gains, deferred compensation, blah blah blah blah. still no?
ok my final offer, everyone is eligible for medicare, starting today. everyone.

BUT BUT BUT that's not how this is supposed to work?!!!!
 
2013-10-02 03:18:42 PM  

dwrash: it should be delayed one year (at least the penalty part) just like it was done for congress and and the unions, to avoid the appearance of cronyism.


why would a union be mandated to buy a health insurance plan

how do they do their physical

dwrash: Also, since the Supreme Court struck down the black mail portion of the bill that was trying to strong arm the states into expanding medicare and medicaid in their states


No, they only limited the penalty for not following it. The original language of the bill tied a pile of existing benefits to complying with new laws, the Courts said you can only really have new benefits tied to new laws. The new laws are still on the books.
 
2013-10-02 03:19:03 PM  

sprawl15: well libulardo i looked at the constitution again and i dont see harry reid's name in it anywhere


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-02 03:19:05 PM  
In times like these, I like to remember the immortal words of Congressman Steve Largent. The last time the Republicans shut the government down, he said this to little Newtie Gingrich, Speaker of the House.

"So I recounted that story and told the Speaker, 'Mr. Speaker, in all honesty, I've been in smaller rooms with bigger people than are in the room right now...'"
 
2013-10-02 03:19:15 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.

Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?


I never said they were to be a rubber stamp... they can only propose amendments, they cannot create NEW legislation, NEW legislation has to originate in the House.
 
2013-10-02 03:19:36 PM  

sinanju: Many, many years ago, during a short non-billable period working for a software contracting firm, I was tasked with calling customers who had purchased a SW library but had not purchased a runtime license.  I was told I could go as low as $15k when negotiating the price for an unlimited license.

So, when I called, I offered an unlimited license for $15k.  If asked if there was any wiggle room on the price, my response was, "If you want to negotiate, the price is $30k".

If the GOP wants to negotiate, Obama should start with a comprehensive firearms ban in exchange for defunding Obamacare.  Not assault weapons -- firearms.  All of them.

When the other side starts to claim it's impossible, tell them he'll give up his impossible demand in exchange for them giving up theirs.  There... we've negotiated.


Why are some people so obsessed with a gun ban. Not only is it unconstitutional it is electoral poison. Higher income taxes for the rich would be a better starting point than gun grabbing.
 
2013-10-02 03:20:06 PM  

Heliovdrake: Also I almost forgot.

SkinnyHead still refuses to even come to the table about the 2 years of totalfark that he owes me.


Wont even bother to acknowledge it, let alone open negotiations.

Why? Is he too busy doping candy with knockout chemicals in his attempt to sell toddlers to 3rd world dictators?

Maybe, Im just asking questions..

You owe me two years of Total Fark SkinnyHead.  Don't forget, I want them bought individually in 1 month segments until you reach the full two years worth.

You are being very very unreasonable SkinnyHead, and the people see that.


I hope you get SkinnyHead is the Fark Halloween gift exchange
 
2013-10-02 03:20:12 PM  

Isitoveryet: naturalbornposer: So what you are proposing is the oppression of a minority group because you don't recognize their ideas as valid? How progressive and intellectual of you.


oppress? why would that be necessary? i would simply ignore them.
I have no problem with their existence.


And we return to my point about a minority voice feeling no voice in the increasingly large government that decides what they can and can't do...
 
2013-10-02 03:20:19 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


After Iran-Contra, I learned that Conservatives will negotiate with Terrorists. After this shutdown, I learned the Conservatives are the terrorists. After this post, I learned that we are dealing with special needs terrorists.
 
2013-10-02 03:20:52 PM  
Does this mean we can just send all those border patrol agents home? Man, the border is going to be quiet again ...
 
2013-10-02 03:20:55 PM  

dwrash: I never said they were to be a rubber stamp... they can only propose amendments, they cannot create NEW legislation, NEW legislation has to originate in the House.


Uh, then explain why the Senate was able to pass a budget that didn't originate in the House?
 
2013-10-02 03:20:59 PM  

Apik0r0s: The root of EVERY problem the USA faces is in the media.


So, like, the McRib? That's the media, too? And what about crabgrass? Is that CNN or FOX?
 
2013-10-02 03:21:05 PM  
OH YES ... we are missing the best part

Obama: Final Item.  This whole meeting was recorded, including this statement. See the 4 cameras?
The first false statement released about this meeting we release the whole unedited video.

Bwahahahaahahahah
Imagine the upset!!!
 
2013-10-02 03:21:31 PM  

sprawl15: dwrash: it should be delayed one year (at least the penalty part) just like it was done for congress and and the unions, to avoid the appearance of cronyism.

why would a union be mandated to buy a health insurance plan


The union plans are all 'cadillac' plans and will incur a penalty when the new law goes in effect... which would then decrease the coverage the unions will be able to provide their members.
 
2013-10-02 03:21:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash:

derp

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

Never underestimate the confident ignorance of a Paultard.
 
2013-10-02 03:23:10 PM  

Cpl.D: Obama should counteroffer.  You're right.  He should negotiate.  He should allow the unclean CR to pass for something in return.

National gun registry?  Fair is fair, right?


I'm thinking more like reducing Medicare eligibility age to 0, in exchange for not just delaying, but entirely eliminating the mandate. I mean, there's no way the Teabaggers could be upset about a chance to cripple Obamacare like that!
 
2013-10-02 03:23:44 PM  

dwrash: The union plans are all 'cadillac' plans and will incur a penalty when the new law goes in effect... which would then decrease the coverage the unions will be able to provide their members.


oh so you are just talking about something totally irrelevant but mentioning it in a list as if it was relevant to make a point?

i guess that is a valid debate tactic if not particularly rational
 
2013-10-02 03:24:12 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

Based on the fact that if some kind of compromise isn't achieved, then the crazy Tea Party politicians are screwed.


Let Obama propose some half-ass compromise on Keystone, but stipulate that it won't take effect for 3 years.
 
2013-10-02 03:24:53 PM  

naturalbornposer: Isitoveryet: naturalbornposer: So what you are proposing is the oppression of a minority group because you don't recognize their ideas as valid? How progressive and intellectual of you.


oppress? why would that be necessary? i would simply ignore them.
I have no problem with their existence.

And we return to my point about a minority voice feeling no voice in the increasingly large government that decides what they can and can't do...



there's always Somalia. (joke)

you are speaking as if what is happening today isn't happening or at the very least leaving out the major players.

increasingly large gov't? ugh.

WHAT can't you do?
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-10-02 03:27:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.


No, intentionally shutting down the US government and pushing it into financial default is a coup perpetrated by the GOP.  It is the very definition of treason and should be treated as such.  This is not a simple political game, according to the US banking industry the financial impact could be devastating.

Having US elected officials publicly endorsing and celebrating damaging the US government is nothing less than criminal.  If a foreign nation caused this kind of harm, the bombing would begin immediately.
 
2013-10-02 03:27:06 PM  

Isitoveryet: naturalbornposer: Isitoveryet: naturalbornposer: So what you are proposing is the oppression of a minority group because you don't recognize their ideas as valid? How progressive and intellectual of you.


oppress? why would that be necessary? i would simply ignore them.
I have no problem with their existence.

And we return to my point about a minority voice feeling no voice in the increasingly large government that decides what they can and can't do...


there's always Somalia. (joke)

you are speaking as if what is happening today isn't happening or at the very least leaving out the major players.

increasingly large gov't? ugh.

WHAT can't you do?


This isn't about me, that's also part of the point. It should be about ALL of us. People I agree with and don't agree with. This stalemate in the government stems from BOTH major parties feeling like the other won't give an inch, because they won't either. The littler groups are even more frustrated.
 
2013-10-02 03:27:39 PM  

namatad: OH YES ... we are missing the best part

Obama: Final Item.  This whole meeting was recorded, including this statement. See the 4 cameras?
The first false statement released about this meeting we release the whole unedited video.

Bwahahahaahahahah
Imagine the upset!!!


They won't care. This is an ideological jihad that doesn't care if they are wrong or right. I do like the idea of tainting Boehner so when he goes back to the GOP, he is seen as poison, fracturing the group even more. The goal is to have moderates bail on the party and see the beginning of a new political party while the old one sinks under the weight of rigid ideology.
 
2013-10-02 03:27:58 PM  
Obama better lay in a stock of fresh flies or whatever it is that turtles eat for McConnell.
 
2013-10-02 03:28:07 PM  

there their theyre: sinanju: Many, many years ago, during a short non-billable period working for a software contracting firm, I was tasked with calling customers who had purchased a SW library but had not purchased a runtime license.  I was told I could go as low as $15k when negotiating the price for an unlimited license.

So, when I called, I offered an unlimited license for $15k.  If asked if there was any wiggle room on the price, my response was, "If you want to negotiate, the price is $30k".

If the GOP wants to negotiate, Obama should start with a comprehensive firearms ban in exchange for defunding Obamacare.  Not assault weapons -- firearms.  All of them.

When the other side starts to claim it's impossible, tell them he'll give up his impossible demand in exchange for them giving up theirs.  There... we've negotiated.

Why are some people so obsessed with a gun ban. Not only is it unconstitutional it is electoral poison. Higher income taxes for the rich would be a better starting point than gun grabbing.


OK, how about a 90% tax bracket for top earners? That's not unconstitutional. Let's start the negotiating there.
 
2013-10-02 03:29:00 PM  
i.imgur.com

It's coming.  You know it is.
 
2013-10-02 03:29:14 PM  
I really like the argument that "well why did they wait until the last minute to debate this?"  Well, seeing as the House saw fit to debate over 40 "defund Obamacare" bills instead of having productive (or ANY) talks about reforming entitlements, etc....
 
2013-10-02 03:29:20 PM  

Heliovdrake: So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?


Because Jesus and Guns and Constitution(The way I interpret it, not those illuminati in the supreme court.)
 
2013-10-02 03:29:33 PM  
Oops, my bad There. Next time I'll read the post in its entirety before responding indignantly to it.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-10-02 03:29:45 PM  

mrshowrules: nekom: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.

The GOP is flailing right now.  The best thing Obama can do is wait.  American people are all coming to the realization that the GOP farked this up


According to recent polls, 50% of the country thinks the shutdown is the fault of Democrats.
 
2013-10-02 03:30:40 PM  
I have concluded that Fark is a liberal echo chamber.


/NTTAWWT
 
2013-10-02 03:30:42 PM  
After the meeting Obama has a presser and tells the american people "We have come to an agreement to get the govt back and working.  The agreement is that I will sign the current CR offering from the house with one change.  That change will be for the extention of the experation date.  This will move out to 4 months.  This should give everyone enough time to actually get an actual budget to my desk.  Part of this agreement will be for the debt ceiling bill with no string will be passed shortly thereafter and should cover until 2016.  Thank you and govt workers, be ready to be back to work on Thursday."
 
Bf+
2013-10-02 03:31:20 PM  

naturalbornposer: This stalemate in the government stems from BOTH major parties feeling like the other won't give an inch, because they won't either.


So vote Republican.
 
2013-10-02 03:31:47 PM  

Cyclometh: The meeting had better go like this:

"You will pass a clean CR. There is to be no negotiating. There is only one option for getting out of this, and I want to make it clear that you have no others. You can grandstand, go to the media, cry and whine, but neither the Senate nor myself will consider anything but a clean funding bill with no riders. You will do it now, or you will do it later, but you will do it. Now get the fark out of my office and go do your jobs."


If that were the plan, they wouldn't need to have a meeting.
 
2013-10-02 03:33:10 PM  

naturalbornposer: This stalemate in the government stems from BOTH major parties feeling like the other won't give an inch, because they won't either.


Why won't Obama enter into negotiations in which he can only give concessions?! The nerve!
 
2013-10-02 03:33:18 PM  

NFA: mrshowrules: nekom: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.

The GOP is flailing right now.  The best thing Obama can do is wait.  American people are all coming to the realization that the GOP farked this up

According to recent polls, 50% of the country thinks the shutdown is the fault of Democrats.


Asking your co-workers is technically a "poll" but I wouldn't trust it.
 
2013-10-02 03:33:21 PM  
The below article suggests that we'll likely see a deal when the stock market reacts.

www.mercurynews.com/digital-first-media/ci_24222884/why-shutdown-hasn t -hit-your-401-k-yet
 
2013-10-02 03:33:33 PM  

Evil High Priest: If that were the plan, they wouldn't need to have a meeting.


How are you supposed to tell someone to get the fark out of your office and go do their jobs if they're not in your office?
 
2013-10-02 03:33:41 PM  

naturalbornposer: This stalemate in the government stems from BOTH major parties feeling like the other won't give an inch, because they won't either.


Wat

This stalemate in the government stems from BOTH major parties feeling like the other won't give an inch

Oh, I see your trouble.  This is all about "feelings" and not "facts".  "Feeling" it in your heart of hearts does not make it a "fact".
 
2013-10-02 03:34:10 PM  

clambam: OK, how about a 90% tax bracket for top earners? That's not unconstitutional. Let's start the negotiating there.


It wouldn't even be unprecedented.  The top bracket as recently as 1963 was 91% for over $200,000.  And Republicans pine for the good ole' days of the '50s?
 
2013-10-02 03:34:51 PM  

Heliovdrake: You know that the ACA is in effect right now and not at all hindered by the shutdown right?


Which is interesting since every other project the fed runs is supposed to have a chain across its doors, with workers being dumped out into the streets and all.

The shutdown is a show being put on to try and shock the public. We can tell its falling on deaf ears since the people haven't charged at congress with torches and pitchforks.   Whatever result the Democrats expect won't be coming for another year at best.
The Republicans,who stood the most to lose in a shutdown,have no reason to go begging Obama's forgiveness at this point. They'll get blamed the same regardless, so they've got plenty of time.

Obama can say he won't negotiate, but that just drags this out till we run headlong into the debt ceiling debate. At which point we get to talk about expensive new programs alongside our newest admission that we can't afford to pay for any of it.

/The delay was the political escape from this situation.
/The Right didn't make that clear enough for the left to bite.
/Maybe they should ask Putin to negotiate their behalf.
 
2013-10-02 03:35:41 PM  

FeFiFoFark: I have concluded that Fark is a liberal echo chamber.

/NTTAWWT


The majority of Farkers are rational people, which causes one to believe that this is a liberal echo chamber. It's a common mistake.
 
2013-10-02 03:35:44 PM  

NFA: mrshowrules: nekom: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.

The GOP is flailing right now.  The best thing Obama can do is wait.  American people are all coming to the realization that the GOP farked this up

According to recent polls, 50% of the country thinks the shutdown is the fault of Democrats.


Wow, thank god the ACA started today, you will be able to get  insurance with your pre-existing condition.

Pulling a poll out of your ass must have wrecked you something fierce.
 
2013-10-02 03:35:47 PM  

dwrash: they can only propose amendments, they cannot create NEW legislation, NEW legislation has to originate in the House.


New legislation that raises revenue has to originate in the House, not all legislation.
 
2013-10-02 03:35:47 PM  

Evil High Priest: Cyclometh: The meeting had better go like this:

"You will pass a clean CR. There is to be no negotiating. There is only one option for getting out of this, and I want to make it clear that you have no others. You can grandstand, go to the media, cry and whine, but neither the Senate nor myself will consider anything but a clean funding bill with no riders. You will do it now, or you will do it later, but you will do it. Now get the fark out of my office and go do your jobs."

If that were the plan, they wouldn't need to have a meeting.




Sure they would. It is to make it utterly clear where things stand and shred any notion that the GOP gets anything from this. Tell them face to face, man to man, exactly what the situation is and there is literally only one path forward.
 
2013-10-02 03:36:29 PM  

Lando Lincoln: FeFiFoFark: I have concluded that Fark is a liberal echo chamber.

/NTTAWWT

The majority of Farkers are rational people, which causes one to believe that this is a liberal echo chamber. It's a common mistake.


Reality is our liberal echo chamber.
 
2013-10-02 03:36:32 PM  
Bontesia:
The below article suggests that we'll likely see a deal when the stock market reacts.
www.mercurynews.com/digital-first-media/ci_24222884/why-shutdown-has n t -hit-your-401-k-yet


seems like further proof who and what really run the show
 
2013-10-02 03:36:33 PM  

cranked: naturalbornposer: This stalemate in the government stems from BOTH major parties feeling like the other won't give an inch, because they won't either.

Wat

This stalemate in the government stems from BOTH major parties feeling like the other won't give an inch

Oh, I see your trouble.  This is all about "feelings" and not "facts".  "Feeling" it in your heart of hearts does not make it a "fact".


Feeling has a lot more weight when it comes to accurately predicting human behavior.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-10-02 03:36:46 PM  

dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?


Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?
 
2013-10-02 03:37:03 PM  

AngryDragon: [i.imgur.com image 375x347]

It's coming.  You know it is.


I really hope you're wrong.
 
2013-10-02 03:37:40 PM  

Cyclometh: Evil High Priest: Cyclometh: The meeting had better go like this:

"You will pass a clean CR. There is to be no negotiating. There is only one option for getting out of this, and I want to make it clear that you have no others. You can grandstand, go to the media, cry and whine, but neither the Senate nor myself will consider anything but a clean funding bill with no riders. You will do it now, or you will do it later, but you will do it. Now get the fark out of my office and go do your jobs."

If that were the plan, they wouldn't need to have a meeting.

Sure they would. It is to make it utterly clear where things stand and shred any notion that the GOP gets anything from this. Tell them face to face, man to man, exactly what the situation is and there is literally only one path forward.


At the very least it should put an end to "Obama will talk with Putin and Netanyahu but won't even talk with Republicans"? That I keep hearing on AM radio.
 
2013-10-02 03:38:43 PM  
Who cares at this point. We're going through this same shiat in two weeks over the debt ceiling then again in 6 weeks when this CR is up. The psychos run the asylum and they won't be happy until they crater the economy and default on the debt. "Moderate" Republicans are to scared to vote against them
 
2013-10-02 03:39:15 PM  

Weaver95: The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.


They need one of these:

thaevolutionofosiris.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-02 03:39:42 PM  

parasol: Bontesia:
The below article suggests that we'll likely see a deal when the stock market reacts.
www.mercurynews.com/digital-first-media/ci_24222884/why-shutdown-has n t -hit-your-401-k-yet

seems like further proof who and what really run the show


Agreed.
 
2013-10-02 03:39:43 PM  

NFA: According to recent polls, 50% of the country thinks the shutdown is the fault of Democrats.


tanasinn.info
 
2013-10-02 03:40:16 PM  

NFA: Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?


No, it isn't

  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?

No, it isn't.

Any other questions?
 
2013-10-02 03:40:29 PM  
No matter what happens all the blame for this lies in Beohner's lap.  Don't make the mistake of thinking the American people aren't watching this very closely.  Oh and by the way, the rest of the world is laughing at us.  I hope you're happy.  I hope it was worth it.
 
2013-10-02 03:40:38 PM  
I just realized what they want. The GOP, I mean.

They are hoping that if they're loud enough and annoying enough, that the American people will demand that Obama give in.

Like a frazzled mom telling dad to just give the little shiat what he wants so he'll shut up.
 
Bf+
2013-10-02 03:41:22 PM  

incendi: Evil High Priest: If that were the plan, they wouldn't need to have a meeting.

How are you supposed to tell someone to get the fark out of your office and go do their jobs if they're not in your office?


lolz.


I wouldn't be surprised if Obama offers unpopular concessions (birth control access, etc)
If the Republicans agree, not only did they shut down the government, but for unpopular reasons.
If they don't, it's more of "They shut down the government and won't even compromise." and they grow more unpopular by the day.
Hell, he could even tell Boener all of this this, possibly ending with "now go get your farking shine box."
 
2013-10-02 03:41:31 PM  

jst3p: At the very least it should put an end to "Obama will talk with Putin and Netanyahu but won't even talk with Republicans"? That I keep hearing on AM radio.


If Obama can successfully negotiate with the leaders of Russia, Israel, and Iran, but can't negotiate with the Republicans, maybe Obama isn't the problem.
 
2013-10-02 03:41:58 PM  
It is really crappy theatre.

Expensive, OMG, EXPENSIVE!, but, still, crappy.

/it just keeps getting tougher to serve both masters
 
2013-10-02 03:42:49 PM  

Ned Stark: Feeling has a lot more weight when it comes to accurately predicting human behavior.


And even more weight if you can replace critical thought with feelings to control human behavior.
 
2013-10-02 03:42:58 PM  
way south: The Republicans,who stood the most to lose in a shutdown,have no reason to go begging Obama's forgiveness at this point. They'll get blamed the same regardless, so they've got plenty of time.

 The Tea Party Republicans don't feel any blame.
 Those more "moderate" GOP members who understand they may be blamed should understand that there really isn't "plenty of time" when voters are waiting for pay and, in some cases, food.

  There really should be some sense of urgency to "fix" if you recognize "blame"
 
2013-10-02 03:43:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.


We heard the same thing back with the Stimulus when the Senate took a funding bill from the House, gutted it, and put their proposal in there to send to reconciliation.

People really have no clue how legislation is done.
 
2013-10-02 03:43:05 PM  

FeFiFoFark: I have concluded that Fark is a liberal echo chamber.


/NTTAWWT


Perhaps you should unskew it.
 
2013-10-02 03:43:18 PM  

anfrind: jst3p: At the very least it should put an end to "Obama will talk with Putin and Netanyahu but won't even talk with Republicans"? That I keep hearing on AM radio.

If Obama can successfully negotiate with the leaders of Russia, Israel, and Iran, but can't negotiate with the Republicans, maybe Obama isn't the problem.


Oh, he is.
But, just a bit player.
This is for "real" money.
 
2013-10-02 03:43:19 PM  

Mercutio74: flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?

You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.


There's a difference between pointing out a potential security lapse, and acting on it.

"Hey, you may want to rethink this plan, are you sure it's a good idea?" vs. "Gotta run to 1600 Penna Ave by 5:30 with my gear!".
 
2013-10-02 03:44:09 PM  

parasol: Bontesia:
The below article suggests that we'll likely see a deal when the stock market reacts.
www.mercurynews.com/digital-first-media/ci_24222884/why-shutdown-has n t -hit-your-401-k-yet

seems like further proof who and what really run the show



who did Obama meet with earlier today before any congresspeople ?

Wall St.

(President Obama met with JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs  and other top financial industry leaders today to discuss the shutdown as well efforts to raise the federal debt ceiling. )
 
2013-10-02 03:44:25 PM  

way south: The shutdown is a show being put on to try and shock the public. We can tell its falling on deaf ears since the people haven't charged at congress with torches and pitchforks.


What color is the sky in your world?
 
2013-10-02 03:44:32 PM  

NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?


A shutdown? nah. Thats legitimate hardball politics. Defaulting on the debt? If that shiat really goes down treason charges don't sound unreasonable.
 
2013-10-02 03:44:44 PM  

Gonz: Mercutio74: flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?

You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.

There's a difference between pointing out a potential security lapse, and acting on it.

"Hey, you may want to rethink this plan, are you sure it's a good idea?" vs. "Gotta run to 1600 Penna Ave by 5:30 with my gear!".


A security lapse? It's the White House for chrissakes. How is that a security lapse?
 
2013-10-02 03:45:01 PM  

SkinnyHead: the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table. That means he's got to put something on the table


Yeah, but I don't think the Republicans are ready for it yet

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-02 03:45:12 PM  

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.


No they don't. Pretty funny you suggesting other need civics classes. Or maybe your problem is not knowing the meaning of words.
 
2013-10-02 03:45:17 PM  

Lando Lincoln: AngryDragon: [i.imgur.com image 375x347]

It's coming.  You know it is.

I really hope you're wrong.


I really hope I am too.  The Democrats have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory though.
 
2013-10-02 03:45:21 PM  

jst3p: At the very least it should put an end to "Obama will talk with Putin and Netanyahu but won't even talk with Republicans"? That I keep hearing on AM radio.


Two weeks ago, Republican breath stunk of Putin's cock.  It was bizarre.

It would be hilarious if they're now back to referring to him as an antagonist.  I think you may mean Iran, in which case, Jon Stewart put it best:  if Obama can make a deal with a bunch of Iranian Muslim hardliners, maybe he's not the problem.
 
2013-10-02 03:47:07 PM  

AngryDragon: Lando Lincoln: AngryDragon: [i.imgur.com image 375x347]

It's coming.  You know it is.

I really hope you're wrong.

I really hope I am too.  The Democrats have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory though.


Old, tired and stupid meme is old, tired and stupid.

How many successful election cycles do we need before we bury that retarded meme?
 
2013-10-02 03:47:31 PM  

Ned Stark: NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?

A shutdown? nah. Thats legitimate hardball politics. Defaulting on the debt? If that shiat really goes down treason charges don't sound unreasonable.


So, default is your hard line in sand?
Downgrading was OK, eh?
 
2013-10-02 03:47:47 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: SkinnyHead: the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table. That means he's got to put something on the table

Yeah, but I don't think the Republicans are ready for it yet

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 252x200]


Ginger ale through the nose hurts.
 
2013-10-02 03:48:11 PM  

Zerochance: jst3p: At the very least it should put an end to "Obama will talk with Putin and Netanyahu but won't even talk with Republicans"? That I keep hearing on AM radio.

Two weeks ago, Republican breath stunk of Putin's cock.  It was bizarre.

It would be hilarious if they're now back to referring to him as an antagonist.  I think you may mean Iran, in which case, Jon Stewart put it best:  if Obama can make a deal with a bunch of Iranian Muslim hardliners, maybe he's not the problem.


Yeah, I meant Rouhani I think, I get all Sarah Palin when it comes to foreign policy.
 
2013-10-02 03:48:16 PM  
incendi:
Barack wouldn't be the first....
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x914]
/yes, there is zero evidence for my tawdry innuendo...


Who is that with Kennedy?
 
2013-10-02 03:48:21 PM  
The GOP keeps wanting to turn this into some kind of populist uprising, but that's complete bullshiat.

If the House speaks for the people then perhaps they could just hold a vote on a clean CR and see if it passes.

If it does, isn't that the will of the people? Or would that not count simply because it would largely be Democrats and a few Republicans voting for it?

The Tea Party has the audacity to claim that they speak for the people while at the same time demanding the squelching of other freely elected representatives.

So fark 'em.
 
2013-10-02 03:48:27 PM  
Boner and Turtle ...
Turtle  and Boner .
Boner  and Turtle  ...
Turtle  and Boner
[Choo Choo Toot] Boner  and Turtle  ...
Turtle  and little brother Boner
Kids: Boner  and Turtle !
 
2013-10-02 03:49:03 PM  

Gyro the Greek Sandwich Pirate: Who is that with Kennedy?


That's a much younger and reasonably pretty Nancy Pelosi.
 
2013-10-02 03:49:49 PM  

Infernalist: AngryDragon: Lando Lincoln: AngryDragon: [i.imgur.com image 375x347]

It's coming.  You know it is.

I really hope you're wrong.

I really hope I am too.  The Democrats have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory though.

Old, tired and stupid meme is old, tired and stupid.

How many successful election cycles do we need before we bury that retarded meme?


Farking obamacare, man. You've earned the grandest loser title for another century at least.
 
2013-10-02 03:50:25 PM  

dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.

Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?

I never said they were to be a rubber stamp... they can only propose amendments, they cannot create NEW legislation, NEW legislation has to originate in the House.


Ladies and gentlemen, I think we've discovered the elusive "Area Man".
 
2013-10-02 03:50:29 PM  
KA-BLAM! - Right in the Kisser
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2013-10-02 03:51:18 PM  

Infernalist: AngryDragon: Lando Lincoln: AngryDragon: [i.imgur.com image 375x347]

It's coming.  You know it is.

I really hope you're wrong.

I really hope I am too.  The Democrats have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory though.

Old, tired and stupid meme is old, tired and stupid.

How many successful election cycles do we need before we bury that retarded meme?


Probably when it stops being accurate.  I WANT the Dems to succeed.  They're just so damn good at having the momentum and then pissing it away in the name of "compromise"

Filibuster rules, fail.
Single payer momentum, fail.
PATRIOT sunset, fail.

I guess we'll see by about 6:30 or so.  I'll meet you right here.  If I'm wrong I will happily apologize.  I have a bad feeling about this though.
 
2013-10-02 03:52:49 PM  

Infernalist: AngryDragon: The Democrats have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory though.

Old, tired and stupid meme is old, tired and stupid.

How many successful election cycles do we need before we bury that retarded meme?


Political memes have a surprisingly long shelf life.  Considering that "France surrenders" and its variants remain quite popular despite being almost 70 years out of date, you might be waiting a long time.
 
2013-10-02 03:53:37 PM  

BMulligan: birdmanesq: That's like the White Sox asking the Twins to trade Joe Mauer in return for four whole fried chickens and a coke.

Throw in some dry white toast and we have a deal.


You better think about what you're trying to do.
 
2013-10-02 03:54:05 PM  

snocone: Ned Stark: NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?

A shutdown? nah. Thats legitimate hardball politics. Defaulting on the debt? If that shiat really goes down treason charges don't sound unreasonable.

So, default is your hard line in sand?
Downgrading was OK, eh?


Being a such a group of clowns that the credit rating agencies think you can't run your country, resulty in a downgrading, is a warning.
Showing the world you are a group of clowns that can't run your country, is the real problem.
 
2013-10-02 03:54:22 PM  

snocone: Ned Stark: NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?

A shutdown? nah. Thats legitimate hardball politics. Defaulting on the debt? If that shiat really goes down treason charges don't sound unreasonable.

So, default is your hard line in sand?
Downgrading was OK, eh?


My hardline? Naw I don't really care, torch the place.

I just wouldn't find it unreasonable for others to draw it there. Because not paying bills already incurred really is an attack on America in a way that just not spending money isn't.
 
2013-10-02 03:55:01 PM  
If the shutdown continues past a debt ceiling expansion would we be able to sell the bonds?
 
2013-10-02 03:55:08 PM  

jst3p: At the very least it should put an end to "Obama will talk with Putin and Netanyahu but won't even talk with Republicans"? That I keep hearing on AM radio.


The only reason Obama was forced to talk to the Republicans is that they have shown the leadership and steely resolve needed to lead this country to greatness.
 
2013-10-02 03:55:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: Mercutio74: flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?

You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.

There's a difference between pointing out a potential security lapse, and acting on it.

"Hey, you may want to rethink this plan, are you sure it's a good idea?" vs. "Gotta run to 1600 Penna Ave by 5:30 with my gear!".

A security lapse? It's the White House for chrissakes. How is that a security lapse?


I don't personally think it is. However, the guy who initially asked the question was pointing out that the President and the individual #2 in the line of succession are going to be in the same room, along with three other powerful politicians. If the VP was also in the same room, then you have the Big Three all in the same place.

When this happens for States of the Union and such, contingency plans kick in, and some guy who's further down the line watches the speech on TV at Camp David. At least, that's what I read into it.
 
2013-10-02 03:56:33 PM  

Gonz: cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: Mercutio74: flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?

You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.

There's a difference between pointing out a potential security lapse, and acting on it.

"Hey, you may want to rethink this plan, are you sure it's a good idea?" vs. "Gotta run to 1600 Penna Ave by 5:30 with my gear!".

A security lapse? It's the White House for chrissakes. How is that a security lapse?

I don't personally think it is. However, the guy who initially asked the question was pointing out that the President and the individual #2 in the line of succession are going to be in the same room, along with three other powerful politicians. If the VP was also in the same room, then you have the Big Three all in the same place.

When this happens for States of the Union and such, contingency plans kick in, and some guy who's further down the line watches the speech on TV at Camp David. At least, that's what I read into it.


It was on an episode of The West Wing.
 
2013-10-02 03:56:38 PM  
The only thing I can think is the Republican moderates are attempting to use this episode to purge themselves of the Tea Partiers, much the way Buckley purged the John Birch society in the 60's. I think they may have finally figured out that they will require extensive rebuilding in order to form a relevant party. What they should have done is to point out a few times the significant weaknesses with ACA, in specific the fact that the whole plan requires the young single people to be willing to pay more for health care then they are currently paying or will pay in case of a penalty. Also the fact of EMR requirements for all physicians by 2015 without having any standards addressed for this or specific requirements for HIPAA compliance or certification. Or the physician shortages that are almost sure to follow. Then say nothing and silently rebuild the party and wait for the ACA governmental costs explode which will require a tax hike and then they would be poised to take advantage.
 
2013-10-02 03:57:52 PM  

Skleenar: jst3p: At the very least it should put an end to "Obama will talk with Putin and Netanyahu but won't even talk with Republicans"? That I keep hearing on AM radio.

The only reason Obama was forced to talk to the Republicans is that they have shown the leadership and steely resolve needed to lead this country to greatness.


Can't tell if ignorant or Poe...
 
2013-10-02 03:59:31 PM  

Nunya_Bizness: The only thing I can think is the Republican moderates are attempting to use this episode to purge themselves of the Tea Partiers, much the way Buckley purged the John Birch society in the 60's. I think they may have finally figured out that they will require extensive rebuilding in order to form a relevant party. What they should have done is to point out a few times the significant weaknesses with ACA, in specific the fact that the whole plan requires the young single people to be willing to pay more for health care then they are currently paying or will pay in case of a penalty. Also the fact of EMR requirements for all physicians by 2015 without having any standards addressed for this or specific requirements for HIPAA compliance or certification. Or the physician shortages that are almost sure to follow. Then say nothing and silently rebuild the party and wait for the ACA governmental costs explode which will require a tax hike and then they would be poised to take advantage.


The validity of your specifics aside, if you think that anything in this debate has anything to do with the specifics of the ACA, you're sadly illusioned.
 
2013-10-02 03:59:50 PM  

dwrash: it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.


ALL legislation - which by definition includes funding legislation - has be passed in both the House AND the Senate.  That legislation must then be signed into law by the President.   If the President vetos the legislation, then the House and the Senate may overturn that veto with the approval of 2/3 of the members of EACH chamber.

So while the House has every right to keep trying to deny funding to the ACA, the Senate and the President have every right to keep telling them no.  The Sentate has told the House "No!" 41 times by not taking up the House's previous efforts to repeal the ACA.

Even IF the bill passes the House AND the Senate, President Obama has already said he would veto anything except a clean CR.  Unless the Republicans can muster 2/3 of the House and the Senate to override a Presidential veto, it is FUTILE for them to vote on anything except a clean CR.

In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.
 
2013-10-02 04:00:14 PM  
This is dangerous for Boehner.  If a resolution comes soon after this meeting, the GOP won't like the way this looked.  I wonder if this will guarantee the shutdown lasts at least til Mon?
 
2013-10-02 04:00:15 PM  
Recent survey sez;
Yer average white boy does not know that "Obamacare" and "Affordable Care Act" are the same thing.

Gotta blame someone for that.

At some point, I keep hoping somebody without their head on fire would explain to America what the fark the ACA is.
 
2013-10-02 04:00:20 PM  

jst3p: Can't tell if ignorant or Poe...


Just playing talking point prediction.  So I guess that's a poe.
 
2013-10-02 04:00:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: Mercutio74: flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?

You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.

There's a difference between pointing out a potential security lapse, and acting on it.

"Hey, you may want to rethink this plan, are you sure it's a good idea?" vs. "Gotta run to 1600 Penna Ave by 5:30 with my gear!".

A security lapse? It's the White House for chrissakes. How is that a security lapse?

I don't personally think it is. However, the guy who initially asked the question was pointing out that the President and the individual #2 in the line of succession are going to be in the same room, along with three other powerful politicians. If the VP was also in the same room, then you have the Big Three all in the same place.

When this happens for States of the Union and such, contingency plans kick in, and some guy who's further down the line watches the speech on TV at Camp David. At least, that's what I read into it.

It was on an episode of The West Wing.


Sure, but not in the Tom Clancy book, though.  Jack Ryan got to be President because he was late to the show and was still in the tunnel when the 747 crashed on the Capitole.

Now, who do you believe?  Clancy or Sorkin?
 
2013-10-02 04:03:35 PM  

Flab: snocone: Ned Stark: NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?

A shutdown? nah. Thats legitimate hardball politics. Defaulting on the debt? If that shiat really goes down treason charges don't sound unreasonable.

So, default is your hard line in sand?
Downgrading was OK, eh?

Being a such a group of clowns that the credit rating agencies think you can't run your country, resulty in a downgrading, is a warning.
Showing the world you are a group of clowns that can't run your country, is the real problem.


Other than hanging or, my personal favorite, piking, do you really see a solution to this problem?
The 1% like their clowns.
 
2013-10-02 04:04:59 PM  

AngryDragon: I guess we'll see by about 6:30 or so. I'll meet you right here. If I'm wrong I will happily apologize. I have a bad feeling about this though.


I understand your frustration but there is, actually, no way for Dems to capitulate here even if they wanted to. The ACA horse left the barn along time ago and the Dems dont have the power to turn back time anymore than anyone else.

Its absurdist theatre and there are only two outcomes - Boehner and friends agree to back down or they revel in their victory of shutting down the govt. I believe they wont back down. I think were going to see this shutdown drag on and on for months because its exactly what they want.
 
Bf+
2013-10-02 04:05:06 PM  

snocone: Recent survey sez;
Yer average white boy does not know that "Obamacare" and "Affordable Care Act" are the same thing.

Gotta blame someone for that.

At some point, I keep hoping somebody without their head on fire would explain to America what the fark the ACA is.


Well, it's not Chuck Todd... That's for sure.
 
2013-10-02 04:05:31 PM  

snocone: Flab: snocone: Ned Stark: NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?

A shutdown? nah. Thats legitimate hardball politics. Defaulting on the debt? If that shiat really goes down treason charges don't sound unreasonable.

So, default is your hard line in sand?
Downgrading was OK, eh?

Being a such a group of clowns that the credit rating agencies think you can't run your country, resulty in a downgrading, is a warning.
Showing the world you are a group of clowns that can't run your country, is the real problem.

Other than hanging or, my personal favorite, piking, do you really see a solution to this problem?
The 1% like their clowns.


Guillotines, dude. They bring a certain air of refinement and sophistication to these affairs.
 
2013-10-02 04:05:45 PM  

Flab: cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: Mercutio74: flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?

You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.

There's a difference between pointing out a potential security lapse, and acting on it.

"Hey, you may want to rethink this plan, are you sure it's a good idea?" vs. "Gotta run to 1600 Penna Ave by 5:30 with my gear!".

A security lapse? It's the White House for chrissakes. How is that a security lapse?

I don't personally think it is. However, the guy who initially asked the question was pointing out that the President and the individual #2 in the line of succession are going to be in the same room, along with three other powerful politicians. If the VP was also in the same room, then you have the Big Three all in the same place.

When this happens for States of the Union and such, contingency plans kick in, and some guy who's further down the line watches the speech on TV at Camp David. At least, that's what I read into it.

It was on an episode of The West Wing.

Sure, but not in the Tom Clancy book, though.  Jack Ryan got to be President because he was late to the show and was still in the tunnel when the 747 crashed on the Capitole.

Now, who do you believe?  Clancy or Sorkin?


I'll go with the guy who's still breathing.
 
2013-10-02 04:05:57 PM  

NFA: According to recent polls, 50% of the country thinks the shutdown is the fault of Democrats.


Boy, I hope that's made up.
 
2013-10-02 04:06:48 PM  

quickdraw: AngryDragon: I guess we'll see by about 6:30 or so. I'll meet you right here. If I'm wrong I will happily apologize. I have a bad feeling about this though.

I understand your frustration but there is, actually, no way for Dems to capitulate here even if they wanted to. The ACA horse left the barn along time ago and the Dems dont have the power to turn back time anymore than anyone else.

Its absurdist theatre and there are only two outcomes - Boehner and friends agree to back down or they revel in their victory of shutting down the govt. I believe they wont back down. I think were going to see this shutdown drag on and on for months because its exactly what they want.


As someone who just had a health scare I can say this.  My 401K wouldn't like it, but if it means people get helath insurance, I'm all for it.
 
2013-10-02 04:07:36 PM  

BMulligan: Flab: cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: cameroncrazy1984: Gonz: Mercutio74: flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?

You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.

There's a difference between pointing out a potential security lapse, and acting on it.

"Hey, you may want to rethink this plan, are you sure it's a good idea?" vs. "Gotta run to 1600 Penna Ave by 5:30 with my gear!".

A security lapse? It's the White House for chrissakes. How is that a security lapse?

I don't personally think it is. However, the guy who initially asked the question was pointing out that the President and the individual #2 in the line of succession are going to be in the same room, along with three other powerful politicians. If the VP was also in the same room, then you have the Big Three all in the same place.

When this happens for States of the Union and such, contingency plans kick in, and some guy who's further down the line watches the speech on TV at Camp David. At least, that's what I read into it.

It was on an episode of The West Wing.

Sure, but not in the Tom Clancy book, though.  Jack Ryan got to be President because he was late to the show and was still in the tunnel when the 747 crashed on the Capitole.

Now, who do you believe?  Clancy or Sorkin?

I'll go with the guy who's still breathing.


memecrunch.com
 
2013-10-02 04:08:40 PM  

Skleenar: Nunya_Bizness: The only thing I can think is the Republican moderates are attempting to use this episode to purge themselves of the Tea Partiers, much the way Buckley purged the John Birch society in the 60's. I think they may have finally figured out that they will require extensive rebuilding in order to form a relevant party. What they should have done is to point out a few times the significant weaknesses with ACA, in specific the fact that the whole plan requires the young single people to be willing to pay more for health care then they are currently paying or will pay in case of a penalty. Also the fact of EMR requirements for all physicians by 2015 without having any standards addressed for this or specific requirements for HIPAA compliance or certification. Or the physician shortages that are almost sure to follow. Then say nothing and silently rebuild the party and wait for the ACA governmental costs explode which will require a tax hike and then they would be poised to take advantage.

The validity of your specifics aside, if you think that anything in this debate has anything to do with the specifics of the ACA, you're sadly illusioned.


Oh no, I do not think the current Republican party has the intellectual capacity to get that far, sadly we are all the worse off for it.
 
2013-10-02 04:09:39 PM  

quickdraw: Its absurdist theatre and there are only two outcomes - Boehner and friends agree to back down or they revel in their victory of shutting down the govt. I believe they wont back down. I think were going to see this shutdown drag on and on for months because its exactly what they want.


If the shutdown lasts for months, there won't be a US left.  During that time the US dollar will be in absolute chaos and the world will probably be forced to switch to the Euro as it tries to limit the damage done by the global recession that'll be caused by the US tanking the global economy.
 
2013-10-02 04:09:43 PM  

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


A two of diamonds and 4 Uno cards isn't exactly a Royal Flush
 
2013-10-02 04:11:07 PM  
static.happyplace.com
 
2013-10-02 04:11:47 PM  

AngryDragon: quickdraw: AngryDragon: I guess we'll see by about 6:30 or so. I'll meet you right here. If I'm wrong I will happily apologize. I have a bad feeling about this though.

I understand your frustration but there is, actually, no way for Dems to capitulate here even if they wanted to. The ACA horse left the barn along time ago and the Dems dont have the power to turn back time anymore than anyone else.

Its absurdist theatre and there are only two outcomes - Boehner and friends agree to back down or they revel in their victory of shutting down the govt. I believe they wont back down. I think were going to see this shutdown drag on and on for months because its exactly what they want.

As someone who just had a health scare I can say this.  My 401K wouldn't like it, but if it means people get helath insurance, I'm all for it.


Well - aside from the fact that ACA is good for the economy. The shutdown will allow corporate interests to act unregulated and unwatched. So depending on how you're invested your 401K may do just fine. If this went against the moneyed interests it wouldnt be happening. Somebody is making a huge profit.
 
2013-10-02 04:12:18 PM  

naturalbornposer: InmanRoshi: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.

The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.


Is this kind of like when the President is obviously lying our way into a war of aggression? That would sure suck, wouldn't it?
 
2013-10-02 04:12:59 PM  
quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..
 
2013-10-02 04:15:45 PM  

dwrash: Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


You are the best kind of correct.
 
2013-10-02 04:16:18 PM  

dwrash: Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


You're really reaching with that one.
 
2013-10-02 04:16:54 PM  

dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


It's a tie.  There's the president, that makes 253.  Biden has the strength of 25 men, so that evens it up at 278.
 
2013-10-02 04:17:22 PM  

dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


Factually, more people voted for Democrats to national offices in 2012 than Republicans.
 
2013-10-02 04:18:05 PM  

mrshowrules: Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"

This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.


Or, perhaps it's a really obvious joke considering it's a meme found all over the internet and that it's from a famous movie that Stewart and most if not all of his staff has seen once if not multiple times. Willy Wonka isn't exactly obscure, especially to people who were young when it come out.
 
2013-10-02 04:19:13 PM  

dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


I'd like to know your justification for lumping the Senate and House together here.  It's like saying that if Romney had won Vermont and Delaware in 2012, he would have been President.
 
2013-10-02 04:19:20 PM  

dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..



What does that have to do with how our government works?

allmyroads.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-02 04:19:46 PM  

www.foodrepublic.com"What's in that envelope is for my peace of mind. My peace of mind is worth that much. Not one penny more, not one penny more."

 
2013-10-02 04:19:59 PM  

Mercutio74: quickdraw: Its absurdist theatre and there are only two outcomes - Boehner and friends agree to back down or they revel in their victory of shutting down the govt. I believe they wont back down. I think were going to see this shutdown drag on and on for months because its exactly what they want.

If the shutdown lasts for months, there won't be a US left.  During that time the US dollar will be in absolute chaos and the world will probably be forced to switch to the Euro as it tries to limit the damage done by the global recession that'll be caused by the US tanking the global economy.


Perhaps that is their plan. Some people just want to watch the world burn. They believe, really believe, in the bible and the last days. They know Jesus is coming and will carry them to safety while the rest of the world suffers as sinners ought to suffer.
 
2013-10-02 04:23:55 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: NFA: According to recent polls, 50% of the country thinks the shutdown is the fault of Democrats.

Boy, I hope that's made up.


You have to harmonize the statistical quirks to make it come out that way.
 
2013-10-02 04:23:57 PM  
Why do people keep saying "deal"? There is no "deal" possible. This is a standard procedural matter which Congress is obligated to undertake. You can't make "deals" to do your basic job. I couldn't just walk into work tomorrow and go up to my boss and say, "Tell you what, chump, I'll make you deal. I'll do the job for which I was hired today, but only if you agree to give me more money. And if you don't, I'll just sit in my office and play with myself all day. Once you agree to my terms, we'll talk again about tomorrow".

It doesn't work that way. This is your job. You don't get to make demands to do your job. Just farking do it. No farking deals. You don't get to demand concessions for performing your most basic job functions.
 
2013-10-02 04:24:36 PM  

quizzical: dwrash: it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

ALL legislation - which by definition includes funding legislation - has be passed in both the House AND the Senate.  That legislation must then be signed into law by the President.   If the President vetos the legislation, then the House and the Senate may overturn that veto with the approval of 2/3 of the members of EACH chamber.

So while the House has every right to keep trying to deny funding to the ACA, the Senate and the President have every right to keep telling them no.  The Sentate has told the House "No!" 41 times by not taking up the House's previous efforts to repeal the ACA.

Even IF the bill passes the House AND the Senate, President Obama has already said he would veto anything except a clean CR.  Unless the Republicans can muster 2/3 of the House and the Senate to override a Presidential veto, it is FUTILE for them to vote on anything except a clean CR.

In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.


Looks like the minority of the minority has the power to hold the government hostage. And enjoys it.

So.... What to do about that?
 
2013-10-02 04:25:26 PM  
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2013-10-02 04:25:30 PM  
Obama's did an interview today with NBC,   where he tries more scare tactics, more divisive talk...

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day.    Much more interesting than just shutting down a few war memorials to make a point.

I think he is starting to go off the deep end.
 
2013-10-02 04:27:29 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


What does that have to do with how our government works?

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Nothing, except the continued harping on the Republicans being the minority party is a lie.

And as far as the democrats getting more vote nationally, its irrelevant since we are not a pure democracy, we are a democratic republic...

Like it or not, the Democrats are the minority.
 
2013-10-02 04:28:11 PM  

netcentric: Obama's did an interview today with NBC,   where he tries more scare tactics, more divisive talk...

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day.    Much more interesting than just shutting down a few war memorials to make a point.

I think he is starting to go off the deep end.


bigjoeonthego.com
 
2013-10-02 04:28:30 PM  
If Obama is smart, with McConnell and Boehner separated from the pack of howling whackadoos, he'll tell them he already knows House Republicans have the votes on a clean CR if they can flush the tea party, and offer a minor, token concession on a "moderate" Republican pet issue with bipartisan support --  but not a tea party issue, like a payroll tax cut or something. Boehner can own the concession as much as he wants, as long as he puts the new CR up to a vote immediately, and instructs his caucus to vote their conscience.

If they say no, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid immediately walk out and say "we tried to negotiate, but Republican leadership is too hamstrung by right-wing extremists to act. As a show of good faith, we're putting this bill to a straight yay-or-nay vote in the Senate and sending it to the House. The American people can then judge for themselves who are the bad guys from that point." Then,  they do it.

If they say yes, non-batshiat Congressional Republicans get a lifeline in dealing with the tea party, Congressional Democrats and Obama get to continue playing divide-and-conquer, and the tea party gets baited into flying its true colors even louder and prouder for all to see.
 
2013-10-02 04:29:33 PM  

skozlaw: Why do people keep saying "deal"? There is no "deal" possible. This is a standard procedural matter which Congress is obligated to undertake. You can't make "deals" to do your basic job. I couldn't just walk into work tomorrow and go up to my boss and say, "Tell you what, chump, I'll make you deal. I'll do the job for which I was hired today, but only if you agree to give me more money. And if you don't, I'll just sit in my office and play with myself all day. Once you agree to my terms, we'll talk again about tomorrow".

It doesn't work that way. This is your job. You don't get to make demands to do your job. Just farking do it. No farking deals. You don't get to demand concessions for performing your most basic job functions.


Part of me wishes this meeting would play out like a scene from The Wire.  The 4 congressional leaders sit there.  The president comes in, flanked by chief of staff and Biden, and sits down.  He looks directly at John Boehner and says "Do your farking job", then gets up and buttons his jacket and walks out.  Boehner gives a surprised and disappointed look.  Scene.
 
2013-10-02 04:29:46 PM  
17 republicans have now stated they'll vote for a clean CR, so combined w/the democrats, that's >50% of the House.

So if Boehner would bring it to the floor for a vote, we could be done with the shutdown TODAY.

/not going to happen.
 
2013-10-02 04:29:59 PM  

dwrash: Nothing, except the continued harping on the Republicans being the minority party is a lie.


They're the minority party in the Senate and definitely the minority when it comes to the executive branch. Everyone knows that.
 
2013-10-02 04:30:08 PM  
For all those wanting Bohner to resign or be thrown out as speaker, realize that the most likely successor would be Cantor, who is even more beholden to the Tea Party nut cases.
 
2013-10-02 04:30:48 PM  

skozlaw: Why do people keep saying "deal"? There is no "deal" possible. This is a standard procedural matter which Congress is obligated to undertake. You can't make "deals" to do your basic job. I couldn't just walk into work tomorrow and go up to my boss and say, "Tell you what, chump, I'll make you deal. I'll do the job for which I was hired today, but only if you agree to give me more money. And if you don't, I'll just sit in my office and play with myself all day. Once you agree to my terms, we'll talk again about tomorrow".

It doesn't work that way. This is your job. You don't get to make demands to do your job. Just farking do it. No farking deals. You don't get to demand concessions for performing your most basic job functions.


Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.  Say boss I want a raise,  say boss I do not want to do that.....  now you are not guaranteed to keep your job but you are free to try.
 
2013-10-02 04:30:56 PM  

netcentric: Obama's did an interview today with NBC,   where he tries more scare tactics, more divisive talk...

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day.    Much more interesting than just shutting down a few war memorials to make a point.

I think he is starting to go off the deep end.


Your concern is duly noted.
 
2013-10-02 04:32:04 PM  

netcentric: Much more interesting than just shutting down a few war memorials to make a point.


What? You mean federal monuments are part of the federal government and as a result part of the shutdown?

Damn you Obama!!!
 
2013-10-02 04:32:27 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Then,  they do it.


That's always the tricky part.
 
2013-10-02 04:32:58 PM  
James!:  They made their last desperate attempt to stop the ACA and now it's consequences time.

See, the problem is Obama truly believes what he says - that the other side has a right to disagree and oppose him even if it means using these desperate measures to get what they want. He doesn't get pissed off and take it personal like most of us would. The guy just doesn't have the killer instinct needed to shut his opponent down because, well, he likes wrestling with pigs. It's what he does.
 
2013-10-02 04:33:12 PM  

dwrash: JusticeandIndependence: dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


What does that have to do with how our government works?

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Nothing, except the continued harping on the Republicans being the minority party is a lie.

And as far as the democrats getting more vote nationally, its irrelevant since we are not a pure democracy, we are a democratic republic...

Like it or not, the Democrats are the minority.


Let's see.

House - Republican's a minority.
Senate - Republican's not a minority
White House - Republican's a minority.

I believe that is two out of three ways in which the Republican's are a minority in the way the United States passes laws.
 
2013-10-02 04:33:20 PM  
TaxBoy:
17 republicans have now stated they'll vote for a clean CR, so combined w/the democrats, that's >50% of the House.
So if Boehner would bring it to the floor for a vote, we could be done with the shutdown TODAY.



I have a feeling this is why Nancy Pelosi is attending. Like her or not, she did get things passed. One speaker to another might help a bit  -  who knows
 
2013-10-02 04:33:49 PM  

Mrtraveler01: netcentric: Much more interesting than just shutting down a few war memorials to make a point.

What? You mean federal monuments are part of the federal government and as a result part of the shutdown?

Damn you Obama!!!


why if those were privately owned we could still have access to them for a reasonable shareholder friendly entry fee.
 
2013-10-02 04:34:08 PM  

Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.


Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.
 
2013-10-02 04:34:10 PM  
Oh look... The same disingenuous bullshiat the same disingenuous assholes.

How exciting.
 
2013-10-02 04:34:42 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: dwrash: JusticeandIndependence: dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


What does that have to do with how our government works?

[allmyroads.files.wordpress.com image 300x225]

Nothing, except the continued harping on the Republicans being the minority party is a lie.

And as far as the democrats getting more vote nationally, its irrelevant since we are not a pure democracy, we are a democratic republic...

Like it or not, the Democrats are the minority.

Let's see.

House - Republican's a

not  minority.
Senate - Republican's not
a minority
White House - Republican's a minority.

I believe that is two out of three ways in which the Republican's are a minority in the way the United States passes laws.


Opps, typed that backwards....
 
2013-10-02 04:35:23 PM  

NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?


I'm not sure really bad governance and piss-poor political goals rises to treason. The fact that this isn't the first time a Republican-controlled house has thrown a shiat-fit like a five-year-old and farked up the government. It won't be the last. This is definitely cause to never vote for a Republican again, ever. We learned they were bad for the nation, yet this country is stupid enough to have re-elected George farking W Bush. After the early to mid 2000s, we learned, again, that the Republicans should never be allowed to control either part of Congress, yet here we are.

It is a farking travesty that the Republican Party even exists and an even bigger travesty that they've managed to maintain control over 50% of the legislature. But I don't think it is treason. It is closer to malpractice or fraud or general incompetence.

If these collossal douchebags fark up the debt ceiling? Maybe the resulting chaos will get some goddamn attention to their crazy farking false ideology. Conservatism, as it exists in American politics, is a goddamn failure.
 
2013-10-02 04:35:52 PM  

AngryDragon: That's always the tricky part.


I think that between a Democratic majority in the Senate, and Republican Senators who have to be tired of this ridiculous tea party bullshiat and have upcoming elections to worry about, they could cobble together the votes to pass a CR with some token provision both sides are not strictly opposed to  anyway.
 
2013-10-02 04:38:27 PM  

Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.


They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.
 
2013-10-02 04:38:37 PM  

dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


I referred to the Republicans as the minority party because they control a minority of the government - just one chamber of Congress.  The Democrats, on the other hand, control both the Senate and the Presidency.

The terminology doesn't change the fact that theSenate won't agree to the House'sproposed changes to the ACA, or that the President has already stated he would veto those changes.  The House has the RIGHT, as you said, to keep firing off these bills in the face of this insurmountable opposition.  But just because it can, it doesn't mean it SHOULD.  The Republicans in the House who are perusing changes to the ACA are basically pissing into the wind, and they are actively damaging the rest of the country with their intransigence.
 
2013-10-02 04:39:02 PM  

netcentric: Obama's did an interview today with NBC,   where he tries more scare tactics, more divisive talk...

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day.    Much more interesting than just shutting down a few war memorials to make a point.

I think he is starting to go off the deep end.


Says the Farker who has lost all control over his keyboard.
 
2013-10-02 04:40:19 PM  

Saiga410: It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


Senate passed a budget in the spring. The GOP has since blocked any attempts to form a conference committee.
 
2013-10-02 04:40:41 PM  

Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


What was that thing the Senate passed earlier this year?
 
2013-10-02 04:40:50 PM  

Saiga410: They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


Uh, the Senate did pass a clean version, that's the one that the House won't pass.  Go back and study your talking points again.  For you guys,  dirty=good, clean = bad, OK?
 
2013-10-02 04:41:27 PM  
HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.
 
2013-10-02 04:43:55 PM  

Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.


Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?
 
2013-10-02 04:44:06 PM  

quizzical: The Republicans in the House who are perusing changes to the ACA are basically pissing into the wind, and they are actively damaging the rest of the country with their intransigence.


At this point they're standing in a wind tunnel buck naked, pissing, letting the piss hit them in the face, swallowing some of it and laughing maniacally.  It's like we showed up for a .38 Special concert and got GG Allin instead, and he's just getting warmed up.
 
2013-10-02 04:44:49 PM  

quizzical: dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..

I referred to the Republicans as the minority party because they control a minority of the government - just one chamber of Congress.  The Democrats, on the other hand, control both the Senate and the Presidency.

The terminology doesn't change the fact that theSenate won't agree to the House'sproposed changes to the ACA, or that the President has already stated he would veto those changes.  The House has the RIGHT, as you said, to keep firing off these bills in the face of this insurmountable opposition.  But just because it can, it doesn't mean it SHOULD.  The Republicans in the House who are perusing changes to the ACA are basically pissing into the wind, and they are actively damaging the rest of the country with their intransigence.


And they are voting in line with the will of the people.  At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.

It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.
 
2013-10-02 04:45:28 PM  

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


Senate already passed a clean bill so I guess not.
 
2013-10-02 04:46:06 PM  

dr_blasto: Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


I doubt they'll have trouble finding 6 to vote for cloture.  McCain and Collins have all but gone on the record telling Cruz to STFU.
 
2013-10-02 04:46:32 PM  

dwrash: It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.


Are you standing on your head?
 
2013-10-02 04:46:58 PM  

dwrash: It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers..


Perhaps you should give that a try, then.
 
2013-10-02 04:48:43 PM  
Bacontastesgood: ...McCain and Collins have all but gone on the record telling Cruz to STFU.

Cruz is literally on the record telling Cruz to STFU.
 
2013-10-02 04:48:47 PM  

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


Let them -- it's political suicide.  With the exception of Cruz I don't see anyone wanting to stick their neck out on this one:  "The government remained shut down because Senator _____ wouldn't shut his hole" is a bad message to give to your opponents.
 
2013-10-02 04:49:01 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Saiga410: It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

Senate passed a budget in the spring. The GOP has since blocked any attempts to form a conference committee.


LOL, I heard a couple of them arguing about that this morning.

Dem Senator: You're side refused to appoint conferees.

Rep Senator: No you!

farking morans.

/truth: Dems in the House proposed a bill to appoint conferees last April but Boner blocked it
 
2013-10-02 04:49:18 PM  
I bet Obama is going to tell Boehner that the current CR deal is off the table by some deadline, and that after that deadline he won't sign anything without a debt ceiling increase.
 
2013-10-02 04:49:55 PM  

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people.


Oh this is a fun game! Let's also have the GOP vote in line with the will of the people on gun control, raising taxes on the wealthy, and immigration reform. Three quarters of Americans oppose Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Will of the people doesn't mean dick to them, so don't hold it up like some righteous trophy. It ain't.
 
2013-10-02 04:49:56 PM  

dwrash: Like it or not, the Democrats are the minority.


And yet the teabaggers still can't get what they want. huh.
 
2013-10-02 04:50:18 PM  

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people. At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.

It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.


We've been over this.  The American people were given the opportunity to provide the GOP with a mandate to repeal Obamacare during the 2012 elections, and they overwhelmingly voted to deny the GOP that mandate.

On the other hand, the American people clearly oppose using a government shutdown to engineer a back-door repeal of the ACA.  That's a fact.
 
2013-10-02 04:50:18 PM  

ManateeGag: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

the only thing he should give Boehner and McConnell is his pimp hand

/and that biatch Pelosi too.


Thank you for the month of Totalfark!

/yay!
 
2013-10-02 04:50:21 PM  
Fark giving the Republicans nothing...

Obama should double down and make his own demands. Tell them go get their tea bagging asses back to The Capitol and send a new bill that increases funding for abortions, food stamps and gay marriage licenses.
 
2013-10-02 04:50:34 PM  

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people. At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.


Did those same polls also show that the majority of Americans don't want Obamacare repealed/delayed/defuned?
 
2013-10-02 04:50:39 PM  

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people. At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.


That's odd. Because since the GOP has a majority of the legislators in the government, they should have been able to easily overturn it by now.

Strange.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:20 PM  

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


The Senate already passed a clean CR, if the house would vote on that there would be nothing to filibuster.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:21 PM  

dr_blasto: Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


It's the version the Senate passed just before the deadline. Shouldn't have to go back to the Senate if there are no changes. If passed it would go straight to the desk ChairMAO B-Rock "The Islamic Usurper" WhoStainedHisPants "SuperAllah" Fartbanararama  al-Chicago from the DEMONCRAPS party. Or something like that.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:32 PM  

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


Lol. Yes, instinctively.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:49 PM  

sprag: dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?

Let them -- it's political suicide.  With the exception of Cruz I don't see anyone wanting to stick their neck out on this one:  "The government remained shut down because Senator _____ wouldn't shut his hole" is a bad message to give to your opponents.


And there's the rub - Cruz'll do it.

/This should be Reid's words when he does: "You have five minutes to clearly define and explain your position.  At five minutes, one second, you are finished.  Show your work.  Starting...now."
 
2013-10-02 04:52:04 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: dwrash: It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.

Are you standing on your head?


Have you been huffing again?
i.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-10-02 04:52:30 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Oh this is a fun game! Let's also have the GOP vote in line with the will of the people on gun control, raising taxes on the wealthy, and immigration reform. Three quarters of Americans oppose Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Will of the people doesn't mean dick to them, so don't hold it up like some righteous trophy. It ain't.


How about we have the GOP populate the House or Representative in proportion with the will of the people, too?
 
2013-10-02 04:54:45 PM  
House passed a budget. Wasn't it the Ryan budget? Mr. failed VP nominee? Senate passed their version of a budget and they have not sat down to talk through in conference committee; though given how the sequester went, not seeing good things possibly coming from that. Given the fact that the R party is guano psychotic, the debt ceiling will be breached and two things will happen. Obama pulls a 14th and they try him for impeachment. And mobs of crazy people start burning shiat and people will start going into their bomb shelter because gubbmint coming, they took over, etc. etc. and the fecal matter hits the ventilator.

I want to cry, pull up stakes and flee.
Canada is too cold, and there is too much sun south of the border.
*sigh*
 
2013-10-02 04:55:27 PM  
assets.diylol.com

Only acceptable response
 
2013-10-02 04:56:39 PM  

Somacandra: dr_blasto: Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?

It's the version the Senate passed just before the deadline. Shouldn't have to go back to the Senate if there are no changes. If passed it would go straight to the desk ChairMAO B-Rock "The Islamic Usurper" WhoStainedHisPants "SuperAllah" Fartbanararama  al-Chicago from the DEMONCRAPS party. Or something like that.


If it is that version, sure. If not, it only takes a few cranks in the Senate to pull some shiatbag parliamentary tricks to gum up the works.
 
Bf+
2013-10-02 04:57:27 PM  

imontheinternet: I bet Obama is going to tell Boehner that the current CR deal is off the table by some deadline, and that after that deadline he won't sign anything without a debt ceiling increase.


O.O

ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
 
2013-10-02 04:59:18 PM  
The meeting should consist of Obama saying, "are you petulant children done with your temper tantrum and ready to pass a clean CR?"

If no, meeting ajourned.
 
2013-10-02 05:02:14 PM  

Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing.
 
2013-10-02 05:02:59 PM  

naturalbornposer: InmanRoshi: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.

The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.


Kind of like when legislators want to tell me under what circumstances I can forced to be pregnant.  You don't like it when it's done to you.
 
2013-10-02 05:03:14 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing do math or accept reality.

 
2013-10-02 05:03:29 PM  
Well if this interview with Obama they just aired on CNBC is any indicator, he's going to tell Boehner to go fark himself.

/good
 
2013-10-02 05:04:10 PM  

imontheinternet: I bet Obama is going to tell Boehner that the current CR deal is off the table by some deadline, and that after that deadline he won't sign anything without a debt ceiling increase.


God I hope so.
 
2013-10-02 05:04:49 PM  

dr_blasto: cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing do math or accept reality.


That's also true.
 
2013-10-02 05:05:32 PM  

nekom: He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.


Sorry, but when 40% of the nation thinks Obama is lying just by starting with "My Fellow Americans" there is no talking to them.
 
2013-10-02 05:05:46 PM  

snocone: It is really crappy theatre.

Expensive, OMG, EXPENSIVE!, but, still, crappy.

/it just keeps getting tougher to serve both masters


hotoffpress.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-02 05:06:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing.


Also, the Senate passed a budget and then spent the summer asking for a Conference Committee but the Republicans said no.
 
2013-10-02 05:08:28 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Well if this interview with Obama they just aired on CNBC is any indicator, he's going to tell Boehner to go fark himself.

/good


This is just me, but I'd prefer he didn't. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'd much rather he offer Boehner and McConnell a lifeline in exchange for turning on the tea party.
 
2013-10-02 05:10:00 PM  

Garet Garrett: They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).


It's always funny when people harp on the non-existent "liberal bias" in the media. Just yesterday I was listening to NPR and they said something along the lines of "Are you affected by the shutdown? Do you oppose it? We want to hear from you."

I have never heard one of the conservative media outlets solicit opinions they didn't want to hear unless they were preparing an ambush.
 
2013-10-02 05:10:28 PM  

Somacandra: cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing.

Also, the Senate passed a budget and then spent the summer asking for a Conference Committee but the Republicans said no.


Yep, I mentioned that earlier in this thread, at least about the "passing a budget" part.
 
2013-10-02 05:10:48 PM  

Skleenar: Dusk-You-n-Me: Oh this is a fun game! Let's also have the GOP vote in line with the will of the people on gun control, raising taxes on the wealthy, and immigration reform. Three quarters of Americans oppose Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Will of the people doesn't mean dick to them, so don't hold it up like some righteous trophy. It ain't.

How about we have the GOP populate the House or Representative in proportion with the will of the people, too?


Dem votes only count for 3/5ths.

/actually about true in some states
 
2013-10-02 05:15:19 PM  

FeFiFoFark: I have concluded that Fark is a liberal echo chamber.


/NTTAWWT


If agreeing that 2+2=4 makes it an echo chamber then yes.
 
2013-10-02 05:16:44 PM  

that bosnian sniper: This is just me, but I'd prefer he didn't. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'd much rather he offer Boehner and McConnell a lifeline in exchange for turning on the tea party.


I see where you're coming from, but unless it comes with a written in blood assurance they will

A. Not do this with the debt ceiling in 2 weeks
B. Not do this with any future CRs
C. Name rational people to a conference committee to work with the Senate on an actual budget
D. Stop blocking judicial nominees in the Senate out of spite

then they can both fark off and hang from that life line.

This is more than just about the here and now.  It's about Presidents forevermore having to face situations like this whenever some nutjobs get enough votes in either party, and citizens across the country having to suffer as a result.  It needs to farking end or this nation is just going to be farked in the long run.
 
2013-10-02 05:20:16 PM  

Bane of Broone: If agreeing that 2+2=4 makes it an echo chamber then yes.


Dem: 2+2=4
Rep: 2+2=5
Media: 2+2=4.5
 
2013-10-02 05:20:29 PM  
Well? It's 5:17 on the east cost. this is what i imagine:

Boehner  - staring at himself in the washroom mirror and chewing breath mints

Pelosi - on the phone to a moderate (R)

McConnell - eating lettuce leaves

Reid - stroking the boxing gloves he keeps in a desk drawer

Obama - on the phone with Bill Clinton and wishing he still smoked - for, you know, after the meeting
 
2013-10-02 05:22:22 PM  

parasol: McConnell - eating lettuce leaves


I LOLed.
 
2013-10-02 05:22:54 PM  

parasol: Well? It's 5:17 on the east cost. this is what i imagine:

Boehner  - staring at himself in the washroom mirror and chewing breath mints

Pelosi - on the phone to a moderate (R)

McConnell - eating lettuce leaves

Reid - stroking the boxing gloves he keeps in a desk drawer

Obama - on the phone with Bill Clinton and wishing he still smoked - for, you know, after the meeting

and dosing Boehner's & McConnell's iced tea with the ricin.
 
2013-10-02 05:23:16 PM  
Meeting in 7 minutes...
 
2013-10-02 05:24:04 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Bane of Broone: If agreeing that 2+2=4 makes it an echo chamber then yes.

Dem: 2+2=4
Rep: 2+2=5
Media: 2+2=4.5


This is 100% accurate.
 
2013-10-02 05:24:55 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Bane of Broone: If agreeing that 2+2=4 makes it an echo chamber then yes.

Dem: 2+2=4
Rep: 2+2=5
Media: 2+2=4.5


That's actually a very concise and clever way to display the problem with media "balance".

Bravo, consider it stolen for future use!
 
2013-10-02 05:25:13 PM  

parasol: Well? It's 5:17 on the east cost. this is what i imagine:

Boehner  - staring at himself in the washroom mirror and chewing breath mints

Pelosi - on the phone to a moderate (R)

McConnell - eating lettuce leaves

Reid - stroking the boxing gloves he keeps in a desk drawer

Obama - on the phone with Bill Clinton and wishing he still smoked - for, you know, after the meeting


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-02 05:25:21 PM  

parasol: Obama - on the phone with Bill Clinton and wishing he still smoked - for, you know, after the meeting


I'm pretty sure that once he's out of office, those two are going to share a bowl. I'll bet Clinton has burned one down with W already.
 
2013-10-02 05:25:55 PM  

Somacandra: cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing.

Also, the Senate passed a budget and then spent the summer asking for a Conference Committee but the Republicans said no.


The tea Party has been planning this shutdown for a long time. It's what they wanted. Obamacare is just the excuse.
 
2013-10-02 05:25:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dusk-You-n-Me: Bane of Broone: If agreeing that 2+2=4 makes it an echo chamber then yes.

Dem: 2+2=4
Rep: 2+2=5
Media: 2+2=4.5

This is 100% accurate.


60% of the time, he is right every time.
 
2013-10-02 05:27:15 PM  
 
2013-10-02 05:28:00 PM  

Heliovdrake: ManateeGag: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

the only thing he should give Boehner and McConnell is his pimp hand

/and that biatch Pelosi too.

Thank you for the month of Totalfark!

/yay!


you are quite welcome.  I enjoy your antics.
 
2013-10-02 05:28:11 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Bane of Broone: If agreeing that 2+2=4 makes it an echo chamber then yes.

Dem: 2+2=4
Rep: 2+2=5
Media: 2+2=4.5


But polls say that the majority of Americans don't like 4, so we should go with 5.
 
2013-10-02 05:31:09 PM  
Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today.

I rather wonder what kind of hardcore action is going to happen???
 
2013-10-02 05:31:57 PM  
Great line from Ed Kilgore today:

Now I don't know anything about the president's relationship with Boehner. But it's becoming a matter of national security for him to find some way to take him aside, maybe give the Speaker a cigarette from his secret stash, and say: "I will see you in Hell before I negotiate over the debt limit. And if you let a default happen, I will devote the rest of my presidency to making sure you, personally, bear the blame, and go down in history with our most despised traitors and criminals. For generations, little school children in Ohio will cross themselves and make hex signs when your name is mentioned. So do not,  do not, go back and tell your crazy people they can win if they just stick together."
 
2013-10-02 05:32:02 PM  

Testiclaw: That's actually a very concise and clever way to display the problem with media "balance".

Bravo, consider it stolen for future use!


I stole it myself, via a tweet from this James Fallows article.
 
2013-10-02 05:32:07 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today.

I rather wonder what kind of hardcore action is going to happen???


DVDA on Pelosi?
 
2013-10-02 05:33:05 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Dusk-You-n-Me: Bane of Broone: If agreeing that 2+2=4 makes it an echo chamber then yes.

Dem: 2+2=4
Rep: 2+2=5
Media: 2+2=4.5

But polls say that the majority of Americans don't like 4, so we should go with 5.


60% of Americans like 4, but only 30% like "the number that is smaller than 5".