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(Washington Post)   Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today. Will this standoff end?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 625
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2013-10-02 04:34:42 PM

JusticeandIndependence: dwrash: JusticeandIndependence: dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


What does that have to do with how our government works?

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Nothing, except the continued harping on the Republicans being the minority party is a lie.

And as far as the democrats getting more vote nationally, its irrelevant since we are not a pure democracy, we are a democratic republic...

Like it or not, the Democrats are the minority.

Let's see.

House - Republican's a

not  minority.
Senate - Republican's not
a minority
White House - Republican's a minority.

I believe that is two out of three ways in which the Republican's are a minority in the way the United States passes laws.


Opps, typed that backwards....
 
2013-10-02 04:35:23 PM

NFA: dr_blasto: NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.

The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?

Yet when we have an elected official who publicly states her party planned and succeeded in shutting down the US government, this ISN'T treason?  Then we had Senator Lee who said he wanted to "bring the house down" to force a rewrite of the US constitution, this ISN'T treason or at least sedition?


I'm not sure really bad governance and piss-poor political goals rises to treason. The fact that this isn't the first time a Republican-controlled house has thrown a shiat-fit like a five-year-old and farked up the government. It won't be the last. This is definitely cause to never vote for a Republican again, ever. We learned they were bad for the nation, yet this country is stupid enough to have re-elected George farking W Bush. After the early to mid 2000s, we learned, again, that the Republicans should never be allowed to control either part of Congress, yet here we are.

It is a farking travesty that the Republican Party even exists and an even bigger travesty that they've managed to maintain control over 50% of the legislature. But I don't think it is treason. It is closer to malpractice or fraud or general incompetence.

If these collossal douchebags fark up the debt ceiling? Maybe the resulting chaos will get some goddamn attention to their crazy farking false ideology. Conservatism, as it exists in American politics, is a goddamn failure.
 
2013-10-02 04:35:52 PM

AngryDragon: That's always the tricky part.


I think that between a Democratic majority in the Senate, and Republican Senators who have to be tired of this ridiculous tea party bullshiat and have upcoming elections to worry about, they could cobble together the votes to pass a CR with some token provision both sides are not strictly opposed to  anyway.
 
2013-10-02 04:38:27 PM

Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.


They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.
 
2013-10-02 04:38:37 PM

dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..


I referred to the Republicans as the minority party because they control a minority of the government - just one chamber of Congress.  The Democrats, on the other hand, control both the Senate and the Presidency.

The terminology doesn't change the fact that theSenate won't agree to the House'sproposed changes to the ACA, or that the President has already stated he would veto those changes.  The House has the RIGHT, as you said, to keep firing off these bills in the face of this insurmountable opposition.  But just because it can, it doesn't mean it SHOULD.  The Republicans in the House who are perusing changes to the ACA are basically pissing into the wind, and they are actively damaging the rest of the country with their intransigence.
 
2013-10-02 04:39:02 PM

netcentric: Obama's did an interview today with NBC,   where he tries more scare tactics, more divisive talk...

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day.    Much more interesting than just shutting down a few war memorials to make a point.

I think he is starting to go off the deep end.


Says the Farker who has lost all control over his keyboard.
 
2013-10-02 04:40:19 PM

Saiga410: It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


Senate passed a budget in the spring. The GOP has since blocked any attempts to form a conference committee.
 
2013-10-02 04:40:41 PM

Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


What was that thing the Senate passed earlier this year?
 
2013-10-02 04:40:50 PM

Saiga410: They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


Uh, the Senate did pass a clean version, that's the one that the House won't pass.  Go back and study your talking points again.  For you guys,  dirty=good, clean = bad, OK?
 
2013-10-02 04:41:27 PM
HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.
 
2013-10-02 04:43:55 PM

Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.


Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?
 
2013-10-02 04:44:06 PM

quizzical: The Republicans in the House who are perusing changes to the ACA are basically pissing into the wind, and they are actively damaging the rest of the country with their intransigence.


At this point they're standing in a wind tunnel buck naked, pissing, letting the piss hit them in the face, swallowing some of it and laughing maniacally.  It's like we showed up for a .38 Special concert and got GG Allin instead, and he's just getting warmed up.
 
2013-10-02 04:44:49 PM

quizzical: dwrash: quizzical:In my opinion, a minority portion of the minority party in control of government is acting irresponsibly when they pursue an action which they know is FUTILE at the expense of the well-being of the rest of the country.

Factually, the Democrats are the minority party.. you know that don't you?.. there are more republicans (278) elected in the house and senate (combined) than there are Democrats.(252)..

I referred to the Republicans as the minority party because they control a minority of the government - just one chamber of Congress.  The Democrats, on the other hand, control both the Senate and the Presidency.

The terminology doesn't change the fact that theSenate won't agree to the House'sproposed changes to the ACA, or that the President has already stated he would veto those changes.  The House has the RIGHT, as you said, to keep firing off these bills in the face of this insurmountable opposition.  But just because it can, it doesn't mean it SHOULD.  The Republicans in the House who are perusing changes to the ACA are basically pissing into the wind, and they are actively damaging the rest of the country with their intransigence.


And they are voting in line with the will of the people.  At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.

It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.
 
2013-10-02 04:45:28 PM

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


Senate already passed a clean bill so I guess not.
 
2013-10-02 04:46:06 PM

dr_blasto: Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


I doubt they'll have trouble finding 6 to vote for cloture.  McCain and Collins have all but gone on the record telling Cruz to STFU.
 
2013-10-02 04:46:32 PM

dwrash: It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.


Are you standing on your head?
 
2013-10-02 04:46:58 PM

dwrash: It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers..


Perhaps you should give that a try, then.
 
2013-10-02 04:48:43 PM
Bacontastesgood: ...McCain and Collins have all but gone on the record telling Cruz to STFU.

Cruz is literally on the record telling Cruz to STFU.
 
2013-10-02 04:48:47 PM

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


Let them -- it's political suicide.  With the exception of Cruz I don't see anyone wanting to stick their neck out on this one:  "The government remained shut down because Senator _____ wouldn't shut his hole" is a bad message to give to your opponents.
 
2013-10-02 04:49:01 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Saiga410: It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

Senate passed a budget in the spring. The GOP has since blocked any attempts to form a conference committee.


LOL, I heard a couple of them arguing about that this morning.

Dem Senator: You're side refused to appoint conferees.

Rep Senator: No you!

farking morans.

/truth: Dems in the House proposed a bill to appoint conferees last April but Boner blocked it
 
2013-10-02 04:49:18 PM
I bet Obama is going to tell Boehner that the current CR deal is off the table by some deadline, and that after that deadline he won't sign anything without a debt ceiling increase.
 
2013-10-02 04:49:55 PM

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people.


Oh this is a fun game! Let's also have the GOP vote in line with the will of the people on gun control, raising taxes on the wealthy, and immigration reform. Three quarters of Americans oppose Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Will of the people doesn't mean dick to them, so don't hold it up like some righteous trophy. It ain't.
 
2013-10-02 04:49:56 PM

dwrash: Like it or not, the Democrats are the minority.


And yet the teabaggers still can't get what they want. huh.
 
2013-10-02 04:50:18 PM

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people. At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.

It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.


We've been over this.  The American people were given the opportunity to provide the GOP with a mandate to repeal Obamacare during the 2012 elections, and they overwhelmingly voted to deny the GOP that mandate.

On the other hand, the American people clearly oppose using a government shutdown to engineer a back-door repeal of the ACA.  That's a fact.
 
2013-10-02 04:50:18 PM

ManateeGag: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

the only thing he should give Boehner and McConnell is his pimp hand

/and that biatch Pelosi too.


Thank you for the month of Totalfark!

/yay!
 
2013-10-02 04:50:21 PM
Fark giving the Republicans nothing...

Obama should double down and make his own demands. Tell them go get their tea bagging asses back to The Capitol and send a new bill that increases funding for abortions, food stamps and gay marriage licenses.
 
2013-10-02 04:50:34 PM

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people. At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.


Did those same polls also show that the majority of Americans don't want Obamacare repealed/delayed/defuned?
 
2013-10-02 04:50:39 PM

dwrash: And they are voting in line with the will of the people. At NO TIME EVER has the majority of Americans been FOR the ACA.. I think the last poll average last week was 38% for and 52% against... so the question is why are the democrats so entrenched in retaining a law that America DOES NOT WANT.


That's odd. Because since the GOP has a majority of the legislators in the government, they should have been able to easily overturn it by now.

Strange.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:20 PM

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


The Senate already passed a clean CR, if the house would vote on that there would be nothing to filibuster.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:21 PM

dr_blasto: Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


It's the version the Senate passed just before the deadline. Shouldn't have to go back to the Senate if there are no changes. If passed it would go straight to the desk ChairMAO B-Rock "The Islamic Usurper" WhoStainedHisPants "SuperAllah" Fartbanararama  al-Chicago from the DEMONCRAPS party. Or something like that.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:32 PM

dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?


Lol. Yes, instinctively.
 
2013-10-02 04:51:49 PM

sprag: dr_blasto: Somacandra: HuffPo says there are 18 Republicans willing to pass a clean CR. That's 1 more than the magic number. All Boner has to do is bring it up.

Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?

Let them -- it's political suicide.  With the exception of Cruz I don't see anyone wanting to stick their neck out on this one:  "The government remained shut down because Senator _____ wouldn't shut his hole" is a bad message to give to your opponents.


And there's the rub - Cruz'll do it.

/This should be Reid's words when he does: "You have five minutes to clearly define and explain your position.  At five minutes, one second, you are finished.  Show your work.  Starting...now."
 
2013-10-02 04:52:04 PM

Soup4Bonnie: dwrash: It's very interesting when you look at the real numbers... it seems dems. have been backed into a corner where it's more about saving face then abiding by the will of the people.

Are you standing on your head?


Have you been huffing again?
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2013-10-02 04:52:30 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Oh this is a fun game! Let's also have the GOP vote in line with the will of the people on gun control, raising taxes on the wealthy, and immigration reform. Three quarters of Americans oppose Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Will of the people doesn't mean dick to them, so don't hold it up like some righteous trophy. It ain't.


How about we have the GOP populate the House or Representative in proportion with the will of the people, too?
 
2013-10-02 04:54:45 PM
House passed a budget. Wasn't it the Ryan budget? Mr. failed VP nominee? Senate passed their version of a budget and they have not sat down to talk through in conference committee; though given how the sequester went, not seeing good things possibly coming from that. Given the fact that the R party is guano psychotic, the debt ceiling will be breached and two things will happen. Obama pulls a 14th and they try him for impeachment. And mobs of crazy people start burning shiat and people will start going into their bomb shelter because gubbmint coming, they took over, etc. etc. and the fecal matter hits the ventilator.

I want to cry, pull up stakes and flee.
Canada is too cold, and there is too much sun south of the border.
*sigh*
 
2013-10-02 04:55:27 PM
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Only acceptable response
 
2013-10-02 04:56:39 PM

Somacandra: dr_blasto: Then will the Republicans in the Senate filibuster?

It's the version the Senate passed just before the deadline. Shouldn't have to go back to the Senate if there are no changes. If passed it would go straight to the desk ChairMAO B-Rock "The Islamic Usurper" WhoStainedHisPants "SuperAllah" Fartbanararama  al-Chicago from the DEMONCRAPS party. Or something like that.


If it is that version, sure. If not, it only takes a few cranks in the Senate to pull some shiatbag parliamentary tricks to gum up the works.
 
Bf+
2013-10-02 04:57:27 PM

imontheinternet: I bet Obama is going to tell Boehner that the current CR deal is off the table by some deadline, and that after that deadline he won't sign anything without a debt ceiling increase.


O.O

ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
 
2013-10-02 04:59:18 PM
The meeting should consist of Obama saying, "are you petulant children done with your temper tantrum and ready to pass a clean CR?"

If no, meeting ajourned.
 
2013-10-02 05:02:14 PM

Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.


It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing.
 
2013-10-02 05:02:59 PM

naturalbornposer: InmanRoshi: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.

The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.


Kind of like when legislators want to tell me under what circumstances I can forced to be pregnant.  You don't like it when it's done to you.
 
2013-10-02 05:03:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing do math or accept reality.

 
2013-10-02 05:03:29 PM
Well if this interview with Obama they just aired on CNBC is any indicator, he's going to tell Boehner to go fark himself.

/good
 
2013-10-02 05:04:10 PM

imontheinternet: I bet Obama is going to tell Boehner that the current CR deal is off the table by some deadline, and that after that deadline he won't sign anything without a debt ceiling increase.


God I hope so.
 
2013-10-02 05:04:49 PM

dr_blasto: cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing do math or accept reality.


That's also true.
 
2013-10-02 05:05:32 PM

nekom: He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.


Sorry, but when 40% of the nation thinks Obama is lying just by starting with "My Fellow Americans" there is no talking to them.
 
2013-10-02 05:05:46 PM

snocone: It is really crappy theatre.

Expensive, OMG, EXPENSIVE!, but, still, crappy.

/it just keeps getting tougher to serve both masters


hotoffpress.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-02 05:06:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Bacontastesgood: Saiga410: Um you can negotiate your job and job roles at any time.

Your job contract wasn't written over 200 years ago on parchment.  The house passes a budget, or they aren't doing their job.  Our speaker has deliberately kept a budget from passing.  Not hard.

They did pass a budget.  It is not their fault the dems will not pass a clean version of it through the Senate.

It's not the Senate's job to rubber stamp the House budget. It IS the GOP's fault that they can't take losing.


Also, the Senate passed a budget and then spent the summer asking for a Conference Committee but the Republicans said no.
 
2013-10-02 05:08:28 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Well if this interview with Obama they just aired on CNBC is any indicator, he's going to tell Boehner to go fark himself.

/good


This is just me, but I'd prefer he didn't. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'd much rather he offer Boehner and McConnell a lifeline in exchange for turning on the tea party.
 
2013-10-02 05:10:00 PM

Garet Garrett: They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).


It's always funny when people harp on the non-existent "liberal bias" in the media. Just yesterday I was listening to NPR and they said something along the lines of "Are you affected by the shutdown? Do you oppose it? We want to hear from you."

I have never heard one of the conservative media outlets solicit opinions they didn't want to hear unless they were preparing an ambush.
 
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