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(Washington Post)   Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today. Will this standoff end?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 626
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2013-10-02 02:59:58 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


Read your own link.  "The budget conference is something Democrats have long sought, however, and the proposal was quickly shot down by Boehner's office." "Senate Democrats have repeatedly called for a budget conference, yet Reid's letter framed it as a concession to end the government shutdown."

It's not a blink.  Reid still wants a clean CR.  The Democrats have been trying to get the Republicans in to an actual budget conference for months, but the Republicans wouldn't go.  This is putting more public pressure on the Republicans to pass the clean bill.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:59 PM
No.

Not unless he has Boehner and crew arrested for doing willful harm to America because they didn't get their way in 2012 and failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act 40+ times and went on legislative strike.

And no one wants to see that happen.
 
2013-10-02 03:00:13 PM

Heliovdrake: Hey if Fox is calling the shutdown a slimdown, Can I call skinnyhead skinnydowns?


How about Shuthead?
 
2013-10-02 03:00:15 PM

InmanRoshi: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.


The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.
 
2013-10-02 03:01:00 PM

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.



yeah, you'd think they'd be willing to fund what they've already spent but these are odd times where the power of the purse should be used as a hostage for alternative negotiations huh?
 
2013-10-02 03:01:28 PM

bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"


While that's a very attractive notion, it may be impractical. In all seriousness, this is what I'd like the president to say:

"Senators, Mr. Speaker, Madame Congresswoman - thank you all so much for appearing on such short notice. I know your time is valuable, as is mine, so I'll get right down to cases. Mr. Speaker, you appear to have a problem. I am sympathetic to your situation, but I must point out that it is a problem entirely of your own making. You will need to find a solution, and you will need to find it immediately. Let me make clear that your solution will not include any changes to the Affordable Care Act, nor any spending reductions beyond those already forced by the sequester. Furthermore - and please, listen carefully, because this is important - your solution will not under any circumstances involve any linkage or connection to the debt ceiling. Should you try to entangle this problem with the Congress' absolute duty to assure that this country not default on its obligations, you will find that you have made a tactical blunder of historic proportions. Know that I am dead serious about this - I will personally make sure that the remainder of your political career is short and extremely unpleasant. Now then, I'm sure you are all able to show yourselves out. Good day."
 
2013-10-02 03:01:31 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?
 
2013-10-02 03:01:33 PM

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.


Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.
 
2013-10-02 03:01:50 PM
Dont make Obama take off his belt!
 
2013-10-02 03:02:25 PM

Ned Stark: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You agree that Republicans getting arrested would justify mass executions because political violence solves nothing?

That's an awkward set of principles.


Overthrow by the people. Different than eradication by authoritarian regime, as the original post suggested.
 
2013-10-02 03:02:53 PM
First line of order: Boehner puts the "clean" CR Bill on the floor.  It passes easily with BIPARTISAN support, just as it passed with BIPARTISAN support in the Senate.  (Sorry lazy media and career C- student journalists, this is not an issue of the two parties unable to find commong ground ....they've already found common ground)

Second line of order:  Harry Reid goes through the sequestor item by item and gets an up or down vote ont it.  Every Senator goes on record voting for or against cancer or Alzheimer research.
 
2013-10-02 03:03:16 PM

Heraclitus: Dont make Obama take off his belt!


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-02 03:04:28 PM

naturalbornposer: Overthrow by the people. Different than eradication by authoritarian regime, as the original post suggested.


Sadly, history has shown that today's "Overthrow by the people" is tomorrow's "Eradication by Authoritarian Regime"

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-10-02 03:04:36 PM

Tax Boy: Step 1: Obama invites congressional leadership to white house
Step 2: Obama isn't there, but secret service is
Step 3: Have secret service lock them in room without food or drink
Step 4: Obama goes to Asia as planned
Step 5: Obama returns 2 weeks later to either a reopened government, or 4 dead former congressional leaders

Win-Win


that's the only part of your plan I have a problem with
 
2013-10-02 03:04:54 PM

dwrash: http://history.house.gov/Institution/Origins-Development/Power-of-the - Purse/


did you just not read it all the way through?

Subsequent Reforms

In 1865, after the Civil War had created a nearly $3 billion national debt and spending exceeded a billion dollars a year, Congress reformed its funding process to handle the government's new demands. The House separated the Ways and Means Committee's taxing and spending functions. The Appropriations Committee was established to fund programs, while Ways and Means retained jurisdiction on tax policy. House leadership and other committees also tried to influence the appropriations process, and the lack of coordination over the years led to high deficits and the implementation of the federal income tax in 1913. Congress passed the Budget and Accounting Act in 1921 to address some of the coordination problems it faced funding government programs. This law centralized many of the budgeting functions with the President, who still has considerable agenda-setting power with the federal budget and submits a draft budget to Congress at the beginning of every year. The appropriations process has been reformed multiple times since 1921, including notable restructurings with the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 and the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Acts of 1985 and 1987.
 
2013-10-02 03:05:07 PM

SkinnyHead: Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.

fc07.deviantart.net

1/10

 
2013-10-02 03:05:23 PM

thornhill: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

Not really. Tying everything to ObamaCare after it had gone into affect was a huge mistake. The Dems can sit back and wait a month to get data on how many people gain insurance through the law, then say that if they give into the GOP demands, that means millions of Americans will lose their health insurance.


Yep.  After January 1st,  the narrative  moves to "Republicans trying to rip private healthcare coverage from tens of millions of Americans".
 
2013-10-02 03:05:29 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


Lol yeah.
 
2013-10-02 03:05:36 PM

Mercutio74: Why is Boehner invited?  They should have invited a contingent of Teamas party.  They're the ones wielding the power in the house, not Boehner.


Divide and conquer. Every time Boehner gets flayed for something the teabaggers did is one more shot he takes while muttering about them under his breath.
 
2013-10-02 03:06:11 PM

Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?


Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.
 
2013-10-02 03:06:40 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


It's no where near as simple as you think.
 
2013-10-02 03:06:59 PM

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.


Actually it's a semicolon.

See after the but:  "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills."
- U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1


Note that the proposal to defund Obamacare and all subsequent offers have been amendments to the continuing resolution.
 
Bf+
2013-10-02 03:07:35 PM
Let's see... How do I put this in the Tea Party's own words...  I know!
ironwhirlygig.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-02 03:07:50 PM

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.


So fix the farking thing. That's what legislators are paid to do.
 
2013-10-02 03:07:51 PM
Photoshop I made back then kinda seems relevant again:

i90.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-02 03:07:54 PM

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.


You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.
 
2013-10-02 03:08:14 PM

naturalbornposer: The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.


i disagree.

I believe their numbers (the "minority"? let's call the TEA Patriots shall we?) are inflated by their media & their own perverted beliefs.

there is us and them as i would never consider supporting the type of tactics they use to govern no would i give in to their social beliefs or irresponsible uneducated political stance.

there are such things as majority rule & minority rights but these people aren't even a minority, they are a fringe, a lunatic fringe actually, they are Republicans who were embarrassed by the Lil'Bush Administration.

/never forget
 
2013-10-02 03:08:54 PM

dwrash: Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue


Wow, you really are that dense. The law is funded through mandatory spending. It doesn't require any new legislation from Congress to continue. It's continuing right now.
 
2013-10-02 03:09:12 PM

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.


You know that the ACA is in effect right now and not at all hindered by the shutdown right?
 
2013-10-02 03:10:15 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.


It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.
 
2013-10-02 03:10:46 PM

Heliovdrake: You know that the ACA is in effect right now and not at all hindered by the shutdown right?


Of course he knows that because it's been pointed out to him repeatedly.  He's just posting because he gets a thrill from seeing his name repeatedly highlighted in people's replies.  Any attention is good attention.
 
2013-10-02 03:11:04 PM

DamnYankees: He can't give even a fake thing. He needs to permanently extinguish the idea that you can hold the economy hostage as a negotiating tactic. If he gives anything, the idea stays alive.


but bill clinton would have negotiated with literal terrorists holding the government hostage at their every whim and furthermore comma
 
2013-10-02 03:11:05 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue

Wow, you really are that dense. The law is funded through mandatory spending. It doesn't require any new legislation from Congress to continue. It's continuing right now.


Oh now you gone done it...Lyon told him unfiltered reality and factual information! Back up a bit cause his brain is done gonna pop!
 
2013-10-02 03:11:06 PM

naturalbornposer: InmanRoshi: naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.

You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.

The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.


The US could stand to divide a couple of times anyway. Its farking huge country with cultural diversity at least comparable to Europe and that place has a whole mess of countries. All off us could end up with closer more easily changed government and the whole of us would be less of a dire threat to the peace and stability of the sandier parts of the world.

Its to bad it probably couldn't be done without everyone flipping out and liquidating each other. Oh well.
 
2013-10-02 03:11:07 PM

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.


Obama should counteroffer.  You're right.  He should negotiate.  He should allow the unclean CR to pass for something in return.

National gun registry?  Fair is fair, right?
 
2013-10-02 03:11:17 PM

Isitoveryet: naturalbornposer: The thing to remember is this "minority" you describe represents a large portion of the nation, not ten fringe extremists. This us and them attitude is going to split this nation in half, if not quarters (yay fractions!). Both sides are to blame for demonizing each other. Even in a 70-30 win, 30% of our nation feels they're getting shafted. Not 30 people, 30 percent. In a nation of over three hundred million that is 90,000,000 people feeling like someone else is dictating their lives against their will. Let that set in. You don't like it when its done to you.

i disagree.

I believe their numbers (the "minority"? let's call the TEA Patriots shall we?) are inflated by their media & their own perverted beliefs.

there is us and them as i would never consider supporting the type of tactics they use to govern no would i give in to their social beliefs or irresponsible uneducated political stance.

there are such things as majority rule & minority rights but these people aren't even a minority, they are a fringe, a lunatic fringe actually, they are Republicans who were embarrassed by the Lil'Bush Administration.

/never forget


So what you are proposing is the oppression of a minority group because you don't recognize their ideas as valid? How progressive and intellectual of you.
 
2013-10-02 03:11:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.


well libulardo i looked at the constitution again and i dont see harry reid's name in it anywhere
 
2013-10-02 03:11:31 PM

dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.


Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?
 
2013-10-02 03:12:36 PM

sprawl15: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

well libulardo i looked at the constitution again and i dont see harry reid's name in it anywhere


OH DEAR I'VE BEEN SO WRONG ALL THESE YEARS
 
2013-10-02 03:12:59 PM
Boehner  has no influence over his party, the Tea Party is calling all the shots. Other than demonstrating again the the Dems are not going to cave to terrorists and are willing to meet when they have something to say, this has no real purpose.
 
2013-10-02 03:13:11 PM

Tax Boy: Step 1: Obama invites congressional leadership to white house
Step 2: Obama isn't there, but secret service is
Step 3: Have secret service lock them in room without food or drink
Step 4: Obama goes to Asia as planned
Step 5: Obama returns 2 weeks later to either a reopened government, or 4 dead former congressional leaders

Win-Win


1) funny
B) you dont think that they would LIKE to get out of the room?
 
2013-10-02 03:13:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.

Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?


You broke his brain. Smashed his CPU. Slagged his OS. He's done for.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:09 PM

dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: 
Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue..


What.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?


Can I deliberate on that for a bit before I answer?
 
2013-10-02 03:15:03 PM

SkinnyHead: As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.


I'm thinking a nice floral arrangement. That way, the room will look and smell nice when he tells the Republicans to pound sand.

/Maybe a box of doughnuts if he's feeling charitable.
 
2013-10-02 03:15:13 PM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: cameroncrazy1984: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.

That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.

Agreed, but all the Senate has the right to do is propose amendments to bills that the House already passed.  One could argue that the Bill that Harry Reid got passed in the Senate the other day is unconstitutional because it is not the Senates job to write new legislation.

You're kidding, right. Please tell me you're kidding. No one can actually write this seriously.

It is noted that you think the Constitution is inane.

Where did I say that? You don't actually believe that the Senate was written into the Constitution as a rubber-stamp for the House, do you?

You broke his brain. Smashed his CPU. Slagged his OS. He's done for.


I think my work here is done today.
 
2013-10-02 03:15:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?


Based on the fact that if some kind of compromise isn't achieved, then the crazy Tea Party politicians are screwed.
 
2013-10-02 03:15:50 PM

Heliovdrake: dwrash: Heliovdrake: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.

That is some good concern trolling sir.


So WHY should the democrats compromise on a LAW passed by congress, upheld by the Highest Court in the land, endorsed by the American people in NOT ONE but in TWO national elections where the law in question was a central issue each time, now that the GOP is holding the nation hostage with a gambit that doesn't even affect the law in question with that is now hurting The American people?

Because that LAW was so poorly written that it requires funding from Congress every year to continue.. and it is the HOUSES RIGHT to deny funding to whatever it sees fit.

Are you really that dense?.. its a Law.. not a Right.

You know that the ACA is in effect right now and not at all hindered by the shutdown right?


Yup.. but I think that it should be delayed one year (at least the penalty part) just like it was done for congress and and the unions, to avoid the appearance of cronyism.

The 2.5% tax on medical device manufactures is just plain stupid and has been proven to be driving jobs over seas.

Also, since the Supreme Court struck down the black mail portion of the bill that was trying to strong arm the states into expanding medicare and medicaid in their states (which is the part of the bill that would have helped the poor and needy the most), this should be revisited and funded properly before rolling out the entire thing.

But than again, i would have been much happier with a single payer system, with additional policies to get coverage above the minimum provided (like the medicare supplement system) over the mess that this bill is... but I honestly am not sure how you could implement this without putting the country into another recession.
 
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2013-10-02 03:16:30 PM

naturalbornposer: So what you are proposing is the oppression of a minority group because you don't recognize their ideas as valid? How progressive and intellectual of you.



oppress? why would that be necessary? i would simply ignore them.
I have no problem with their existence.
 
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