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(Washington Post)   Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today. Will this standoff end?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 625
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2013-10-02 02:44:43 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!


Come on, son. With a tell like that, your'e never gonna get out of the bush leagues.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:50 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Daniel Newhauser @dnewhauser:Ryan reportedly workin on debt limit, CR deal. I reported last mo he had tried to trade sequester for ACA delay http://cq.com/doc/news-4341517?wr=UEhZTDhpeFBiKnFHeFZvZUFHQTR5UQ ...

There's nothing about that I like.


And if anyone is synonymous with being in touch with the American public and delivering victory to his party, it's... Paul Ryan?  The "I totally ran a three hour marathon." guy? You're trusting him with the numbers?
 
2013-10-02 02:45:08 PM

sprawl15: Bane of Broone: mrshowrules: Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"

This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.

I'm pretty sure many people have seen that movie and made the same joke.

i dont think so

i mean it is possible but very unlikely


Sweet. Stewart's writers are following my feeds.
 
2013-10-02 02:45:37 PM

Nadie_AZ: Clutch2013: bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"

What movie is this?

I like the exchange from Firefly better. He simply kicks the guy and the guy gets sucked into the engine.


I miss Firefly...
 
2013-10-02 02:46:15 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


He'll appoint folks to talk about something tomorrow if they fix shiat today.  I'm okay with that.
 
2013-10-02 02:47:39 PM
Two things should happen here

1) Obama says you get nothing.  Put the clean CR to a vote tomorrow.  All Dems and a fair number of Rs will vote for it
2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker

Have Obama go on TV at 8 tonight and tell America that the Government can open tomorrow if Boehner brings the Senate bill to the floor.  That's all the Republicans have to do.
 
2013-10-02 02:48:45 PM
Breaking Boner
 
2013-10-02 02:48:48 PM

Nadie_AZ: quickdraw: nekom: I'd wager that if that's all it took, they'd have a deal. The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.

No. Their final chance to stop ACA like this was before it was put into law. There are processes in place for repealing laws - this isnt it. This is one in a long series of maneuvers to dismantle the US government and place restrictions on reproductive rights.

Ignoring this is like sitting with a guy at a bar and he says  "This drink is drugged. If you drink this I will take you out in a back alley and beat you" and then you drink it and find yourself being beaten in a back alley.

They have been clear for several decades now what their goal is. Perhaps we should take them at their word.

No, their chance was in the courts. The Supremes decided it was constitutional and therefor now law. That is when they lost the fight.


Well sure but by that time it was out of their hands. Anyways what Im getting at is that its just the excuse du jour and that focusing on ACA at this point is ignoring the real issue which is that these guys are soldiers in a very public dominionist power grab.

I hope I am wrong but I think we are facing the very real possibility that their goal is to drag this out to the point where our systems are irreparably damaged. Thereby disabling all those pesky regulatory agencies at one go. If thats the case I think we can expect this shut down to last as long as they can drag it out.
 
2013-10-02 02:48:55 PM

Ring of Fire: Quick question what is the wording like for this 6 week CR? Does it say something like, this document funds the government for six weeks? Or does it set a specific date for when government funding ends under that CR?


This is the CR that expired on the 30th and lasted the full year.

This is one that just extended funding for two weeks.

We need something like the former, but a short term extension could look like the latter.
 
2013-10-02 02:49:25 PM

Car_Ramrod: I want John and Mitch to walk in, say their piece, Obama writes studiously on a notepad, and slides this over while saying, "This is my final offer:

[demonsresume.files.wordpress.com image 720x384]

Fark. You."


s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Someone needs to photoshop Obama in place of Batman.
 
2013-10-02 02:49:33 PM
cdn2.screenjunkies.com

A President stands alone at the plate...
 
2013-10-02 02:49:39 PM

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


IMO the individual mandate is the best farking thing about ACA. Why does the GOP want to do away with it? Those fines for not getting insured, excuse me, "taxes", should be higher.
 
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2013-10-02 02:49:46 PM
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2013-10-02 02:49:49 PM
Also I almost forgot.

SkinnyHead still refuses to even come to the table about the 2 years of totalfark that he owes me.


Wont even bother to acknowledge it, let alone open negotiations.

Why? Is he too busy doping candy with knockout chemicals in his attempt to sell toddlers to 3rd world dictators?

Maybe, Im just asking questions..

You owe me two years of Total Fark SkinnyHead.  Don't forget, I want them bought individually in 1 month segments until you reach the full two years worth.

You are being very very unreasonable SkinnyHead, and the people see that.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:01 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: 2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker


Oh god, that's... that's farking brilliant. He'll never go for it, but I so totally wish it would happen. The derpstorm in the wake of that would be a joy to behold.

You sir, are evil. And I like that.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:40 PM

NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.


Yeah; besides, why give the pricks the attention?  Would rather see them squirm.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:43 PM

SkinnyHead: thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.

Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.  That, and to prevent a one year delay in the individual mandate penalties that they want to inflict on ordinary folks.  So if people are going without pay because of Harry Reid's shutdown, they should know that they are suffering for a good cause -- to make sure that Harry Reid and other democrats in congress can continue to get their perks.


That's some fine trolling.

You also left out how the ACA treats abortion as a weight loss program.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:46 PM
Why is Boehner invited?  They should have invited a contingent of Teamas party.  They're the ones wielding the power in the house, not Boehner.
 
2013-10-02 02:50:53 PM
The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?
 
2013-10-02 02:50:59 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!


He'll probably eat crackers during the meeting, too.
 
2013-10-02 02:51:28 PM

ManateeGag: the only thing he should give Boehner and McConnell is his pimp hand

/and that biatch Pelosi too.


And one for Jenny and the wimp.
 
2013-10-02 02:51:46 PM

Mercutio74: Why is Boehner invited?  They should have invited a contingent of Teamas party.  They're the ones wielding the power in the house, not Boehner.


If you know a dog isn't housebroken, and you've got a nice rug, you don't invite the dog in to shiat on your rug.
 
2013-10-02 02:52:02 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: 2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker


He can't be speaker for long if he doesn't get reelected in 2014.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:09 PM

flondrix: The president and the heads of both parties in both houses of the legislature in one place at the same time?  Will Biden be there too?


You'd best slap an "only joking" tag on the end of that or you might get a visit from a government agency NOT affected by the shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:30 PM
They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:44 PM

naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.


You are not correctly diagnosing what is going on here.

There already is "comprimise", and bipartisan support to pass a clean CR bill.   If Boehner let it hit the Congressional Floor, which has already cleared with bipatisan support in the Senate, it would easily pass with votes from both sides of the aisle.

The issue is that a small faction of neo-confederate, anti-government insurrectionists and anarchists who believe they have been sent to Washington by their constituents to sabotage government from the inside.   They're holding our   governance hostage by the threat of the gun.  The Republican Party leadership is too weak and dickless to get them to fall in line, and the Democrats can't set a precedent of rewarding hostage taking tactics.
 
2013-10-02 02:53:44 PM

Stile4aly: thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.

Actually, it's worse than that.  It would be as if your employer said "we're cancelling your group insurance policy, you need to go buy insurance yourself.  Oh, and the money we were previously contributing to your health insurance?  We're just going to keep that."


Right. And under the ACA law, if your employer has more than 50 employees or your part-time, they cannot cancel the policy and throw you on the exchange.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:06 PM

SkinnyHead: I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.


i LOVE the postpone for a year thing. as if a year from now the GOP will stay silent as obamacare is implemented.

/and yes i know you're trolling
 
2013-10-02 02:54:24 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


Hah, look at this guy.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:26 PM

quickdraw: Nadie_AZ: quickdraw: nekom: I'd wager that if that's all it took, they'd have a deal. The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.

No. Their final chance to stop ACA like this was before it was put into law. There are processes in place for repealing laws - this isnt it. This is one in a long series of maneuvers to dismantle the US government and place restrictions on reproductive rights.

Ignoring this is like sitting with a guy at a bar and he says  "This drink is drugged. If you drink this I will take you out in a back alley and beat you" and then you drink it and find yourself being beaten in a back alley.

They have been clear for several decades now what their goal is. Perhaps we should take them at their word.

No, their chance was in the courts. The Supremes decided it was constitutional and therefor now law. That is when they lost the fight.

Well sure but by that time it was out of their hands. Anyways what Im getting at is that its just the excuse du jour and that focusing on ACA at this point is ignoring the real issue which is that these guys are soldiers in a very public dominionist power grab.

I hope I am wrong but I think we are facing the very real possibility that their goal is to drag this out to the point where our systems are irreparably damaged. Thereby disabling all those pesky regulatory agencies at one go. If thats the case I think we can expect this shut down to last as long as they can drag it out.


I don't think it is anyone's position to destroy the system that affords them a life of luxury. I hate them all (red or blue), but I don't believe they'd sabotage themselves.

With regard to the original post. I agree its the last shot to change the ACA. YES, you can repeal laws, but the majority of them stay in effect. I don't *hate* the ACA, but with how complicated modern legislation is, you're damn right this stuff gets rushed and ear marked with too much special interest.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:54 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


You are one of them.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:04 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards


And that is based on...?
 
2013-10-02 02:55:17 PM

naturalbornposer: Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.

Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.


You agree that Republicans getting arrested would justify mass executions because political violence solves nothing?

That's an awkward set of principles.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:25 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


As the House is up for elections sooner than the White House or many Senators, I'd think they wouldn't last long in the stand off.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:39 PM
Things will start to happen when people like the Koch Brothers start to lose money over this. Until then we're screwed.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:49 PM

Cyclometh: Hah, look at this guy.


He'll never let go.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:53 PM

sinanju: If the GOP wants to negotiate, Obama should start with a comprehensive firearms ban in exchange for defunding Obamacare.  Not assault weapons -- firearms.  All of them.


No, don't tie in this gun grabbing crap. I'm a two time Obama voter, but do not agree with the gun-grabby stuff. It's too "American" for many Obama voters. That's an integral right of being a US Citizen: we can get guns if we want them.

I'll vote R (And do not underestimate how hard it would be for me to even consider voting R again ever) if we get back on this gun control stupidity. The "War on Guns" is just as much an unwinnable "war" as the "War on Drugs". Both are here in the country in large amounts, and other than going full totalitarian surveilance, there ain't no way to get rid of either.

I think the majority of people who voted for Obama think the same. Just the super-leftists want to get rid of guns, and they are as stupid as tea-partiers in being unable to see the reality of an issue. Don't derail the progress we're making for something retarded as gun-grabbing.
 
2013-10-02 02:56:05 PM

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?


The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.
 
2013-10-02 02:56:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?


His very, very strong need for it to be so.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:14 PM

Mad Scientist: SkinnyHead:  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.

I think you're delusional.


I don't think he understands what the word "clean" means in this context.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:15 PM

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.


I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "exclusive" and also the Constitution. The "power of the purse" does not mean that the Senate has to pass whatever crap the House comes up with.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:24 PM
 
2013-10-02 02:58:31 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: 2) Pelosi tells Boehner that she'll get the D's to keep him as Speaker


I read that WP article, too. It kind of makes sense, so there's no way that Boenher will go for it.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:35 PM

dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards, people just don't know their civics very well.


Not really. Tying everything to ObamaCare after it had gone into affect was a huge mistake. The Dems can sit back and wait a month to get data on how many people gain insurance through the law, then say that if they give into the GOP demands, that means millions of Americans will lose their health insurance.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:39 PM

naturalbornposer: I don't think it is anyone's position to destroy the system that affords them a life of luxury. I hate them all (red or blue), but I don't believe they'd sabotage themselves.


They don't think of it as sabotaging themselves. They don't understand they are part of a larger interdependent community. They are God's chosen and if they are pure enough God will provide.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:52 PM

clambam: Things will start to happen when people like the Koch Brothers start to lose money over this. Until then we're screwed.


That's why it's likely we'll see this end sometime between the 10th and 17th.  The Kochs are probably trying to assess whether the Dems are serious this time or not.  Let's face it, the Kochs (and the other .01 %ers) have way more to loose in a default than the Dems.

However, there is a non-zero chance that not even the Kochs have direct control over the Frankenstein monster that is the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-02 02:58:55 PM

monoski: End of shut-down or just a Pelosi gang-bang?
//how is that lunch sitting in your belly now?


i1089.photobucket.com


Not bad.

I'm sure you look great, for your age, which appears to be about eight or nine years old.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:02 PM

sprawl15: Ring of Fire: Quick question what is the wording like for this 6 week CR? Does it say something like, this document funds the government for six weeks? Or does it set a specific date for when government funding ends under that CR?

This is the CR that expired on the 30th and lasted the full year.

This is one that just extended funding for two weeks.

We need something like the former, but a short term extension could look like the latter.


Thanks so if I'm reading those right and the CR that's sitting on Boehner's desk that was passed by the Senate looks like the second one than the clock is already ticking on those 6 weeks.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:05 PM
SkinnyHead:  Here's my prediction.

*chortle*
 
2013-10-02 02:59:23 PM

dwrash: Mrtraveler01: dwrash: They both need to compromise... and to be honest, the House holds all the cards

And that is based on...?

The house has exclusive power of the purse... period.


That doesn't mean that the Senate is just a rubber stamp for the House.

Republicans and Tea Partiers seem to think otherwise for whatever reason.
 
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