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(Washington Post)   Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today. Will this standoff end?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 625
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2013-10-02 02:31:25 PM

nekom: The GOP is right about one thing: Good or bad, this IS their FINAL chance to stop the ACA. I don't think it's going to happen, but if they don't stop it now, they're never going to.


This is true.  They've been railing against Obamacare since the day it became law.  40+ times they've tried to repeal it.  If they don't stop it now, they'll have failed their base voters.  They've really backed themselves into a corner, and have nothing left to fight with but a shutdown and default.
 
2013-10-02 02:31:26 PM
I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).  It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.

OTOH, if it ends, they'll only have about 3 cycles of news stories about how difficult it is to restart things, and then what will they report on?  They'll have to get an early start covering anticipated GOP terrorism in the debt ceiling debate, I guess.
 
2013-10-02 02:31:39 PM

mrshowrules: Weaver95: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

He will concede a fake thing.  Like a commission to make recommendations on improving Obamacare.  Something that has no substance but gives the GOP a small out.

Or he could let the GOP twist in the wind, concede nothing while continuing to show himself as being reasonable .

Either way.  There is no outcome favourable to the GOP.  There are outcomes of varying degrees of pain for the US however.  America is like the parable of the child and the two mothers which King Solomon suggesting splitting in two.  Except with the GOP abducting the child every few years.


Which is why Obama shouldnt make a deal with the GOP. He should stand firm, let them continue to appear as unreasonable jerks and let the voters know who is hurting them and why they're doing it.
 
2013-10-02 02:33:29 PM
 
2013-10-02 02:33:37 PM

BMulligan: birdmanesq: That's like the White Sox asking the Twins to trade Joe Mauer in return for four whole fried chickens and a coke.

Throw in some dry white toast and we have a deal.


What, no glass of water??
 
2013-10-02 02:33:48 PM

DamnYankees: I wish they would do more to point out that the Democrats have already concede to funding the CR at the sequester levels. It's a massive compromise they are making,


No kidding.  Get that $986B out there.  I heard Pelosi saying it a few times Monday night, but that's about it.
 
2013-10-02 02:34:27 PM
SkinnyHead: As for scrambling to save face, the article says that Obama is the one who summoned the congressional leaders to the table.  That means he's got to put something on the table.  I think he will decide to delay the individual mandate and end the subsidies on his own, in exchange for a clean CR.

Or it could be to illustrate that while he continues to try to meet and speak with Boehner (who, from all reports isn't speaking to members of his own caucus) the GOP remains leaderless and without any working alternate proposals.
I am fairly sure delaying the individual mandate, given yesterday's flood of internet inquires, is off the table.
 
2013-10-02 02:35:25 PM
He should've invited Cruz....for the lulz.
 
2013-10-02 02:36:10 PM
 
2013-10-02 02:36:40 PM

NewportBarGuy: "John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."


Can we stop equating my favorite drink to this dipped-in-spraytan asshole ;_;
 
2013-10-02 02:36:43 PM

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


I don't necessarily agree with this.  He can grant a (very) small delay in a (very) minor part of the law, something they can try to use as a fig leaf.  Along with the message, "This is it, guys.  Nothing more on Obamacare."  Something to convince them that they'll be able to go back to their rabid pinhead teadhadists without being torn to shreds.

They will be torn to shreds, of course.  They will.

Which is why...*plugging in popcorn popper*...I suggest it.
 
2013-10-02 02:37:17 PM
Boner and the Turtle are coming to the White House to ask for a way to give in that doesn't make them look stupid. I doubt the President will be able to help them with that.
 
2013-10-02 02:37:21 PM
In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"
 
2013-10-02 02:37:42 PM
Earlier today, as an offer to end the shutdown, Reid sent Boehner a letter offering to set up a budget conference to address the GOP's fiscal concerns. I seriously doubt that just a few hours later the Dems would fold on almost everything the GOP has asked for, when the GOP is taking a public beating, and the list of defecting GOP House members has grown from 12 yesterday to 17 today.
 
2013-10-02 02:37:48 PM

Garet Garrett: I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR). It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.


Says the guy carrying water for the GOP House.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:07 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


Yeah, saw this headline a little while ago. Very concerned, even if all he does is hear Boehner out. This type of crap should never be validated.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:19 PM

mrshowrules: You forget to tell them to go get their shine box but I like it


Your jib. I like the cut of it.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7051965696/h924C34DD/
 
2013-10-02 02:38:29 PM

Daniel Newhauser
@dnewhauser

Ryan reportedly workin on debt limit, CR deal. I reported last mo he had tried to trade sequester for ACA delay http://cq.com/doc/news-4341517?wr=UEhZTDhpeFBiKnFHeFZvZUFHQTR5UQ ...


There's nothing about that I like.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:47 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government



I don't think it's a blink to offer to talk about something completely different from the GOP's demands. If a single thing is taken away from the ACA, THEN that will be a blink.
 
2013-10-02 02:38:59 PM

thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.


Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.  That, and to prevent a one year delay in the individual mandate penalties that they want to inflict on ordinary folks.  So if people are going without pay because of Harry Reid's shutdown, they should know that they are suffering for a good cause -- to make sure that Harry Reid and other democrats in congress can continue to get their perks.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:11 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


From your link:

Reid sent a letter to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) pledging to appoint negotiators to a budget conference if House Republicans relent on a six-week funding stopgap.

The budget conference is something Democrats have long sought, however, and the proposal was quickly shot down by Boehner's office.


He has wanted this for some time, now. How has he blinked?
 
2013-10-02 02:39:13 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


That's not Reid blinking. He's saying that if the House passes a clean CR, then he'll appoint conferees - that's something the Democrats have been begging the GOP to do for 6 months! Reid isn't budging at all.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:22 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


No he didn't. The GOP were shouting that the Senate hadn't passed a budget, so they did. Then the House refused to sit down for budgetary reconciliation for months, requiring a continuing resolution to keep paying people. The reason the House has refused to sit down for reconciliation is that the GOP don't want to actually negotiate. What Reid is 'offering' here is the opportunity for the GOP to do their jobs if only they'll do their jobs.

Which is also why Boehner outright refused.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:31 PM
Hey if Fox is calling the shutdown a slimdown, Can I call skinnyhead skinnydowns?
 
2013-10-02 02:39:37 PM

Garet Garrett: They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).


You've got to be kidding.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:18 PM

Heliovdrake: Hey if Fox is calling the shutdown a slimdown, Can I call skinnyhead skinnydowns?


As long as you add "yndrome" to the end of it.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:47 PM

somedude210: Reid blinked...

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/326137-reid-off er s-to-talk-tax-reform-if-gop-funds-government


Horseshiat and gunsmoke. They've been trying to get the GOP into conference to actually have DISCUSSIONS on shiat for years now. That's Reid's briar patch, and he's telling Brer Boehner not to toss him in it.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:47 PM

Garet Garrett: I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).  It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.


I'm pretty sure most of those people are more essential than you.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:53 PM

mrshowrules: Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"

This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.


I'm pretty sure many people have seen that movie and made the same joke.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:56 PM

NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.


If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.
 
2013-10-02 02:40:57 PM

Kibbler: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

I don't necessarily agree with this.  He can grant a (very) small delay in a (very) minor part of the law, something they can try to use as a fig leaf.  Along with the message, "This is it, guys.  Nothing more on Obamacare."  Something to convince them that they'll be able to go back to their rabid pinhead teadhadists without being torn to shreds.

They will be torn to shreds, of course.  They will.

Which is why...*plugging in popcorn popper*...I suggest it.


He can't give even a tiny thing. He needs to permanently extinguish the idea that you can hold the economy hostage as a negotiating tactic. If he gives anything, the idea stays alive . Remember, this is a freaking 6 week CR! If the Dems give up anything, are we just supposed to keep repeating this process every 6 weeks, ad infinitum?
 
2013-10-02 02:41:12 PM

rtaylor92: Yeah, saw this headline a little while ago. Very concerned, even if all he does is hear Boehner out. This type of crap should never be validated.


I'm just hoping its him offering to make the tax system even more progressive. "What? I said I'd offer you reforms, I didn't say anything about how favorable they'd be for you"
 
2013-10-02 02:41:15 PM
SkinnyHead:
The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.  It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?


  The "special subsidies" you mentioned? those are the same as what "ordinary people" get from their employer.

  If you want to argue that the congress, senate, POTUS, military, et al are ALL getting "special subsidies" because they are getting employer-based assistance then it isn't "special" anymore since nearly all working americans get that too.
 
2013-10-02 02:41:29 PM

SkinnyHead: thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.

Imagine democrats in congress shutting down the government rather than give up their personal perks and subsidies.  Because that's what this is about.  That, and to prevent a one year delay in the individual mandate penalties that they want to inflict on ordinary folks.  So if people are going without pay because of Harry Reid's shutdown, they should know that they are suffering for a good cause -- to make sure that Harry Reid and other democrats in congress can continue to get their perks.


Um...that's not even remotely close to reality.....
 
2013-10-02 02:41:44 PM

Bane of Broone: mrshowrules: Carn: In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"

This is how I suspect some of Stewart's writers are visitors to Fark.  I'm pretty sure this joke was posted in a thread yesterday.

I'm pretty sure many people have seen that movie and made the same joke.


i dont think so

i mean it is possible but very unlikely
 
2013-10-02 02:41:52 PM

Bontesla: Reid has indicated that he's open to talking about tax reform.


Sure.  If we're negotiating on ACA, let's throw the Bush Tax Cuts back into the mix and revisit those also.
 
2013-10-02 02:41:58 PM

DamnYankees: MarshHawk: DamnYankees: Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Instead of getting tense about shutdown, many Rs from defund camp are ecstatic; after Romney defeat, Boehner probs, think Rs showing spine


What does this mean?  I don't speak twitter or NRO.

What's not to understand. The House GOP caucus is ecstatic about this, they aren't going to fold.



Sorry, it's the part after the semicolon that is throwing me.  Probably not important anyhow.
 
2013-10-02 02:42:07 PM

Garet Garrett: I certainly hope this comes to an end, if only for the poor souls in the media.  They must be godawfully tired from carrying so much water for the administration over this whole mess (I'm looking at you, NPR).  It can't be easy running interview after interview trying to whip up outrage over the shutdown only to find that the people who've been furloughed are, literally and nominally, non-essential.

OTOH, if it ends, they'll only have about 3 cycles of news stories about how difficult it is to restart things, and then what will they report on?  They'll have to get an early start covering anticipated GOP terrorism in the debt ceiling debate, I guess.
 WHY WON'T THE MEDIA STOP BLAMING THE GOP HOUSE AND START BLAMING OBAMA INSTEAD?!?!?!?!


FTFY
 
2013-10-02 02:42:13 PM

bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"


What movie is this?
 
2013-10-02 02:42:39 PM
Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!
 
2013-10-02 02:43:25 PM

thornhill: SkinnyHead: El_Perro: SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.

Please explain why members of Congress and their staffs should be the only people in the country who are prohibited by law from receiving employer contributions for their health insurance premiums?

The Democrat Congress forced ordinary people to get their health insurance from these exchanges.It's only fair that members of congress should have to eat the same slop that they are forcing ordinary people to eat.  If they are getting special subsidies from the taxpayers to pay for it, then they are not really experiencing the same suffering that they are inflicting on others, are they?

No, that's not right.

You have to get health insurance if your employer does not provide it. Your employer does not have to provide they employ fewer than 50 people, or you are part time.

What's they're trying to do to congressional staffers would be like if your employer provided health care, but one day said instead of that cost being part of your totally employment benefits package (401k, health insurance, salary, etc.), they were going to cut your salary by $5k, and use that money to pay for health insurance.


Actually, it's worse than that.  It would be as if your employer said "we're cancelling your group insurance policy, you need to go buy insurance yourself.  Oh, and the money we were previously contributing to your health insurance?  We're just going to keep that."
 
2013-10-02 02:43:26 PM
on the next Real Politicians of Washington D.C.


/it's like watching reality tv.
//i can't watch reality tv.
 
2013-10-02 02:43:31 PM
Given that some of these morons obviously (by voting record and their own rhetoric) are working against many aspects of the constitution, and obviously have the shutdown of the government - a patently destructive act and existential threat to the contry - as a primary goal, how is this not levying War? I know Treason is a (rightly) a high bar to reach, but sme of these traitor to the constitution seem to be trying very hard to reach it.

Or, failing that standard, can we simply define the blatant and deliberate act of forcing a government shutdown to be evidence they have abdicated their office? They clearly don't want to participate anymore, so we don't even bother with impeachment - simply elect/promote their successor as required by local law/custom.
 
2013-10-02 02:43:46 PM

Clutch2013: bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"

What movie is this?


The in production name is A F*cking Awesome Movie
 
2013-10-02 02:43:47 PM
Many, many years ago, during a short non-billable period working for a software contracting firm, I was tasked with calling customers who had purchased a SW library but had not purchased a runtime license.  I was told I could go as low as $15k when negotiating the price for an unlimited license.

So, when I called, I offered an unlimited license for $15k.  If asked if there was any wiggle room on the price, my response was, "If you want to negotiate, the price is $30k".

If the GOP wants to negotiate, Obama should start with a comprehensive firearms ban in exchange for defunding Obamacare.  Not assault weapons -- firearms.  All of them.

When the other side starts to claim it's impossible, tell them he'll give up his impossible demand in exchange for them giving up theirs.  There... we've negotiated.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:03 PM

Slaves2Darkness: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

If he did I would start the revolution. Understand I'm a liberal Democrat, but if the President starts arresting people for shiat like this it's time to execute people like you.


Agreed. Different beliefs are different. We're supposed to work together, not stonewall each other like the present government is doing. If we tried to erradicate everyone that disagrees with what we think is "right", everyone dies.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:18 PM
Chad Pergram @ChadPergram

Budget Chair Murray cites dates each time Cruz, Lee, Paul & Rubio objected to unanimous consent request to go conference on budget.


Now this should be a video montage that everyone in the country is forced to see especially whenever a Republican says "but we don't want to shutdown the government!"
 
2013-10-02 02:44:24 PM

Clutch2013: bdub77: In my dreams:

Obama: "Here's my offer: Go f*ck yourself.Do we have a deal?"
Boehner: "No, Mr. President. I'm not authorized to--"
Obama (to Secret Service agent): "Jerry, shoot this guy."
Boehner: "What?"
*BOOM*
Obama: "Speaker Cantor, now...do we have a deal?"
Cantor: "Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha?"
Obama: "DO I STUTTER?"

What movie is this?


I like the exchange from Firefly better. He simply kicks the guy and the guy gets sucked into the engine.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:28 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Who does this guy think he is?  Summoning public officials like dogs.  What arrogance!


Maybe he just wants to level his conjuration skills?
 
2013-10-02 02:44:32 PM
Quick question what is the wording like for this 6 week CR? Does it say something like, this document funds the government for six weeks? Or does it set a specific date for when government funding ends under that CR?
Cause I could if the latter is true I can see the republicans waiting until a few days before the date when that CR ends, passing the thing then shutting the government back down and saying "look we gave in opened up the government and Obama imedently shut it back down."
 
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