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(Washington Post)   Breaking: Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi and Reid will be meeting at the White House with President Obama at 5:30 ET today. Will this standoff end?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 625
    More: Unlikely, President Obama, White House, Boehner, McConnell v. FEC, no solutions, government shutdown, House Republicans, House Minority Leader  
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2013-10-02 12:14:39 PM
Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.
 
2013-10-02 12:15:49 PM

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


the only thing he should give Boehner and McConnell is his pimp hand

/and that biatch Pelosi too.
 
2013-10-02 12:18:30 PM

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


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"And I said no."
 
2013-10-02 12:19:43 PM

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

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"And I said no."


This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.
 
2013-10-02 12:23:47 PM

DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.


"nothing and fark you"
 
2013-10-02 12:24:23 PM

DamnYankees: This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.


Actually, the West Wing episode 'Shutdown' was about a disagreement about a CR. The White House had agreed to a 1% reduction, the Speaker insisted on a 3%. Bartlet, seeing his strategy was a part of a larger attempt to dismantle the federal government and eliminate all of his initiatives, shut down the government and would work to continue it until he reached an equitable agreement.
 
2013-10-02 12:24:57 PM
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2013-10-02 12:25:13 PM
I really wish he would secretly set this up to broadcast live so we could watch Boehner cry live as he gets dressed down.
 
2013-10-02 12:26:02 PM

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.

Actually, the West Wing episode 'Shutdown' was about a disagreement about a CR. The White House had agreed to a 1% reduction, the Speaker insisted on a 3%. Bartlet, seeing his strategy was a part of a larger attempt to dismantle the federal government and eliminate all of his initiatives, shut down the government and would work to continue it until he reached an equitable agreement.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I think the situation today is different, because its going to involve the debt ceiling.
 
2013-10-02 12:30:31 PM

DamnYankees: WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: Obama better just say "my offer is nothing". If he gives a farking thing its a disaster.

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"And I said no."

This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.


If the disagreement were over the amount of spending I would agree with you. No way and no how should the POTUS even entertain the idea that the ACA is a  bargaining chip.
 
2013-10-02 12:31:37 PM

Re Congress: It's a hijack, not a standoff. You don't blame the folks outside the bank when the robbers won't come out.

- David Yee (@tangentialism) October 2, 2013
 
2013-10-02 12:32:33 PM

sammyk: If the disagreement were over the amount of spending I would agree with you. No way and no how should the POTUS even entertain the idea that the ACA is a  bargaining chip.


I agree as a policy and political matter. I think asking for a repeal of any part of the ACA is terrible politics and bad policy. But I do think its a legitimate exercise of constitutional authority and within the bounds of democratic legitimacy. The debt ceiling is simply not.
 
2013-10-02 12:33:08 PM
"John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."
 
2013-10-02 12:34:06 PM
He shouldn't even show.  Just borrow that chair from Clint Eastwood.
 
2013-10-02 12:34:52 PM

syrynxx: He shouldn't even show.  Just borrow that chair from Clint Eastwood.


Oh I LIKE that idea.  Just sit an empty chair in the meeting room.
 
2013-10-02 12:36:30 PM

NewportBarGuy: "John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."


I hope this is his plan. I hope its to meet with them and then give a speech on national TV basically saying:

"Tonight I met with the leaders of both houses of Congress. After discussion with Speaker Boehner and Minority Leader McConnell how they plan to move us forward, they are demanding I make certain concessions in order to keep the government running, and to increase the debt ceiling.

I say to them now, and to the American people at large - Mr. Speaker, Mr. Minority Leader, this is my offer: nothing. Neither I nor Majority Leader Reid will permit you to take the American people and its government hostage in order to extract demands in exchange for simply not blowing up the economy. That is not a negotiation. That's extortion, and its not how this government operates.

You will get nothing from me. Pass a budget and raise the debt ceiling. Now.

Good night."
 
2013-10-02 12:37:10 PM

DamnYankees: WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: This is actually slightly different. I think negotiating over the CR is actually perfectly valid. It's negotiating over the debt cieling which needs to be killed right now. That can't possibly be permitted to continue.

Actually, the West Wing episode 'Shutdown' was about a disagreement about a CR. The White House had agreed to a 1% reduction, the Speaker insisted on a 3%. Bartlet, seeing his strategy was a part of a larger attempt to dismantle the federal government and eliminate all of his initiatives, shut down the government and would work to continue it until he reached an equitable agreement.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I think the situation today is different, because its going to involve the debt ceiling.


I think the unreasonableness comes not from negotiating over a continuing resolution, but from what's on the table. The Republicans are offering to fund the government for 90 days in return for major concessions on an important piece of policy. 90 days.

That's like the White Sox asking the Twins to trade Joe Mauer in return for four whole fried chickens and a coke. And, you know, if they don't get what they want then there won't be any baseball.
 
2013-10-02 12:39:02 PM

birdmanesq: I think the unreasonableness comes not from negotiating over a continuing resolution, but from what's on the table. The Republicans are offering to fund the government for 90 days in return for major concessions on an important piece of policy. 90 days.


Yes, 100% agreed. As I said above, I think asking for a repeal of any part of the ACA is terrible politics and bad policy. But I do think its a legitimate exercise of constitutional authority and within the bounds of democratic legitimacy. The debt ceiling is simply not.
 
2013-10-02 12:39:35 PM

NewportBarGuy: "John, you are not more important than the 300,000,000 Americans in this country. Bring a clean bill to the floor, or I will make sure all of them blame you for this. In return, I offer you this lovely bottle of Wild Turkey. Enjoy."


Nice touch, making him accept bourbon when we all know he's a scotch man. Well played, Obama.
 
2013-10-02 12:41:44 PM
I want John and Mitch to walk in, say their piece, Obama writes studiously on a notepad, and slides this over while saying, "This is my final offer:

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Fark. You."
 
2013-10-02 12:43:30 PM
Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.
 
2013-10-02 12:44:40 PM
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2013-10-02 12:49:30 PM
Ok, between Boehner and McConnell, which one is Lando and which one is Han?
 
2013-10-02 12:51:56 PM

James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.


He does, he just loses his job as Speaker.
 
2013-10-02 12:52:58 PM

James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.


He absolutely does. He would just need to make the deal with Democrats. The fact that he doesn't want to do that is an indictment of him, nothing else.
 
2013-10-02 12:54:10 PM
Politico article on the meeting says Obama plasn to tell them to pass the CR and Debt Ceiling clean. Let's just hope he sticks with that.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/10/obama-to-meet-with-congre ss ional-leaders-wednesday-174107.html
 
2013-10-02 01:01:16 PM

DamnYankees: http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/10/obama-to-meet-with-congre ss ional-leaders-wednesday-174107.html


From a link on the video from 1995 on Politico from John Boehner: "The President was out playing golf and has offered no leadership."

Last night on CNBC Kay Bailey Hutchinson: "President Clinton talked to the Republican leadership. Obama would rather talk to the Iranians and Syrians. And he's out playing golf."

Boehner said the same thing in 2013 that he said in 1995 as well.

Amazing. They just f*cking lie and use the same f*cking lines from 20 years ago while distorting history to make it seem like Clinton did anything different than Obama because they need to demonize him.
 
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2013-10-02 01:05:45 PM
If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.
 
2013-10-02 01:10:23 PM

NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.


Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 01:11:05 PM

NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.


I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.
 
2013-10-02 01:12:57 PM
I just hope it is recorded like the previous meetings between Obama and the GOP House Retreat in 2010, and then released to the public.
 
2013-10-02 01:17:42 PM

NewportBarGuy: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

I don't know how America would react to a coup, because that is what that would be.


The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?
 
2013-10-02 01:22:35 PM

nekom: NFA: If Obama has any balls at all, he'll have Boehner arrested for treason and then go on TV and announce the rest of the GOP is next.

Hyperbole much?

But seriously, if he has any balls, he won't blink.  He needs to get a little bit more out ahead of this and explain to the American people why this is the GOP's fault, as tempting as it is to ignore them until they coma around you know the GOP is doing everything in their power to spin this into a Democrat shutdown.


Government slimdown, Democrat shutdown.

It's a fine line and they're falling flat on both.
 
2013-10-02 01:23:19 PM

NewportBarGuy: James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.

He does, he just loses his job as Speaker.


It's already gone. The only question now is how he will be remembered.
 
2013-10-02 01:28:17 PM

dr_blasto: The mouthbreathers have been calling everything tyranny. Health care? Tyranny. Highways? Tyranny. State of the Union speech? Tyranny. Moved Hannity's show off prime time? Tyranny.

So, if there were actual tyranny, would they even recognize it?


Well, when I was 17, in 1995, I took a long walk with my dad. It was during the last major debt crisis. I had been a subscriber to National Review and listener to El Fatso. I changed my mind quickly. I realized what they were doing was suicidal and in the wrong interests of the country. I talked to him about what do we do. We discussed what Napoleon did when his country was in a similar situation. You'd have to take over Congress with a military force. You'd have to appear on TV and admit that what you had done was treasonous in and of itself and accept responsibility for your actions once things were normalized.

i.e. You arrest every member of Congress, try them in a kangaroo court and then you have two choices. You execute them or send them back home stripped of their duties. I chose the later. Then you'd have to announce snap elections, as they do in the Parliamentary System and we choose new Reps and Sens. Once those elections are complete, the people responsible for the military change would have to be either shot on site or imprisoned for life because they did violate the law.

It would be incredibly messy and I highly doubt it would see through to nice, normal elections and a new crop of legislators. Somewhere, someone would use the opportunity to seize power. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. We hate our system with a passion sometimes, but I honestly have never seen a realistic way to do a swap and clear.

It would get bloody far too quickly. We work within this f*cked up system precisely because of how bloody and awful a revolution is. We know that better than most. Plus, we are lazy as f*ck. We got raped by the financial system and did nothing about it. Getting raped the same way by politicians offers a similar response. People get angry, but unless there is some iconic figure who can rise up and say enough and lead us in another direction, we're just stuck with what we have and everything else is a fantasy.

We're just going to ride it out and hope people can make the right decision.
 
2013-10-02 01:28:53 PM

NewportBarGuy: debt crisis


should read shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 01:33:05 PM

Ambivalence: NewportBarGuy: James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.

He does, he just loses his job as Speaker.

It's already gone. The only question now is how he will be remembered.


For some reason, I think he'll keep it. Lately, incompetence seems to be rewarded.
 
2013-10-02 01:33:51 PM
In the Jon Stewart clip they added in the clip from Willy Wonka "You get nothing!  You lose!  Good day, sir!"
 
2013-10-02 01:34:24 PM
I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 01:35:59 PM

syrynxx: He shouldn't even show.  Just borrow that chair from Clint Eastwood.


Your ideas are intriguing, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-10-02 01:36:55 PM

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


What's scary about this post is that I genuinely think a lot of House GOPers believe this.
 
2013-10-02 01:38:56 PM

poonesfarm:


Then follow it up with a dead hooker in Boehner's hotel room and him to drunk to remember how she died.
 
2013-10-02 01:40:18 PM

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


You're tripping balls right now, aren't you?
 
2013-10-02 01:40:27 PM

SkinnyHead: I'm glad to see they are willing to talk.  Here's my prediction.  I think that Obama will agree to postpone the individual mandate for a year and eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congress, not because republicans demand it, but because it's the right thing to do.  That will allow Reid to accept the CR and end his shutdown.


You should get to the nearest poison center. I think you ate too much peyote.
 
2013-10-02 01:41:32 PM
SkinnyHead:  Here's my prediction.

Prepare for orange tears.
 
2013-10-02 01:42:12 PM
There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.
 
2013-10-02 01:43:20 PM

vernonFL: You should get to the nearest poison center. I think you ate too much peyote.


I hope he's got insurance.
 
2013-10-02 01:43:30 PM

James!: There is no reason to delay the mandate and there is no reason to screw over congressional staffers with the Vitter Amendment.  The republicans should be scrambling around to find a way to save face and get out of this mess.


On I don't think public opinion could get any lower. The GOP should just turn everything back on and pretend the shutdown never happened.
 
2013-10-02 01:44:51 PM
Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Instead of getting tense about shutdown, many Rs from defund camp are ecstatic; after Romney defeat, Boehner probs, think Rs showing spine

We're so screwed.
 
2013-10-02 01:45:04 PM

James!: Let's not pretend that Boehner has the authority to make a deal.


Came here to say this.
 
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