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2013-10-02 11:52:19 AM
Nice thought, but it's wildly unconstitutional.
 
2013-10-02 11:52:20 AM
Nah, if they Really want to troll, they should pass a CR that implements Single Payer, and kick it down to the House.
 
2013-10-02 11:52:24 AM
Ted Cruz already one-upped them by donating his pay during the shut-down to charity. That being said, any Republican who voted for the shut-down and doesn't vote for this will have some 'splainin' to do.
 
2013-10-02 11:52:27 AM
While I support the idea of punishing congress for their inaction, I believe it woule be unconstitutional.
 
2013-10-02 11:52:29 AM
On the one hand - it's about damn time.

On the other hand - wouldn't the 27th Amendment keep this bill from affecting the current shutdown?
 
2013-10-02 11:52:32 AM
I guess a completely reasonable proposal and doing the right thing is trolling.
 
2013-10-02 11:52:51 AM
Isn't there a constitutional amendment that bans this though?

Actually the article finally loaded after about a minute and I see they covered that.
 
2013-10-02 11:53:16 AM
Why should they bother to show up if they aren't going to get paid? They should get double pay for shutting everything down.
 
2013-10-02 11:54:52 AM

Albino Squid: Nice thought, but it's wildly unconstitutional.


It would be constitutional - it just couldn't take effect until 2014.

Although, this would dovetail nicely with the current republican plan of keeping the shutdown going, and funding specific parts piecemeal.  If we worked it right, we could eliminate congressional pay forever.
 
2013-10-02 11:55:23 AM

buttholepunch: Why should they bother to show up if they aren't going to get paid? They should get double pay for shutting everything down.


*sigh*
 
2013-10-02 11:55:35 AM

kidgenius: Nah, if they Really want to troll, they should pass a CR that implements Single Payer, and kick it down to the House.


That would eliminate the individual mandate. That should make the right happy.
 
2013-10-02 11:56:49 AM
May be unconstitutional, but who would have the balls to be the one who commits political suicide by challenging it in court?
 
2013-10-02 11:56:54 AM

GameSprocket: kidgenius: Nah, if they Really want to troll, they should pass a CR that implements Single Payer, and kick it down to the House.

That would eliminate the individual mandate. That should make the right happy.


Someone had this idea the other night. Accept a CR that repeals the individual mandate, and shunt all uninsured to Medicare instead
 
2013-10-02 11:56:56 AM
No pay?

/Hell, they should be FIRED
 
2013-10-02 11:57:03 AM
Something has to be ruled "unconstitutional" by a court.  They can easily pass the law and abide by it until/unless someone takes it to court.  And who wants to be that guy?
 
2013-10-02 11:57:52 AM

GameSprocket: That should make the right happy.


No.  You play the Game of Thrones to win.  They won't rest until their guy sits in the Oval Office.
 
2013-10-02 11:58:19 AM
GOP senators will continue to get paid by their masters.
 
2013-10-02 11:58:24 AM
"We will accept a one year delay in implementing Obamacare if you will accept a one year increase in the top tax rate to 49%."
 
2013-10-02 11:58:26 AM
www.lifeofthelaw.org
 
2013-10-02 11:58:38 AM

max_pooper: While I support the idea of punishing congress for their inaction, I believe it woule be unconstitutional.


doesn't stop the GOP from passing their bullshiat laws
 
2013-10-02 11:58:38 AM
I'm ok with this even if it can only take effect after 2014. Better start sometime later than never.
 
2013-10-02 11:58:55 AM
If it doesn't change their pay it just withholds it until the government is up again wouldn't that sneak through the 27th ammendment? Guaranteed back pay and all that.. Would be nice to get it out of the way and include that guaranteed back pay for the people out of work right now because of it and let the republicans try to vote no on that too.
 
2013-10-02 11:59:29 AM
Congress give very little shiat about their pay for this short a period.

So long as their actions serve continued office, lobbyists will take care of them.
 
2013-10-02 11:59:42 AM

max_pooper: While I support the idea of punishing congress for their inaction, I believe it woule be unconstitutional.


Could probably word it to postpone pay - they still get paid at the same rate, just their checks are held until the government works.

Paul Baumer: Something has to be ruled "unconstitutional" by a court.


nonsense is ok as long as it is to attack someone you disagree with
 
2013-10-02 12:00:34 PM

russlar: GameSprocket: kidgenius: Nah, if they Really want to troll, they should pass a CR that implements Single Payer, and kick it down to the House.

That would eliminate the individual mandate. That should make the right happy.

Someone had this idea the other night. Accept a CR that repeals the individual mandate, and shunt all uninsured to Medicare instead


would need funding
 
2013-10-02 12:00:49 PM
All the 27th amendment says is that congressional pay changes can't take effect right away (to avoid the obvious scenario of congress voting themself more money). All they have to do put in a clause that states it doesn't take effect until the next House election, there's nothing unconstitutional about it.
 
2013-10-02 12:01:29 PM

Smackledorfer: Congress give very little shiat about their pay for this short a period.

So long as their actions serve continued office, lobbyists will take care of them.


Posts before caffeine don't not work too good.
 
2013-10-02 12:01:31 PM
No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

There's no timetable stated on when this can be done. Do you do it on election day? One week after? One year?
 
2013-10-02 12:01:41 PM

Albino Squid: Nice thought, but it's wildly unconstitutional.


It would only be up for judicial review if someone files suit.  That would be politically disastrous.
 
2013-10-02 12:01:52 PM

almandot: If it doesn't change their pay it just withholds it until the government is up again wouldn't that sneak through the 27th ammendment? Guaranteed back pay and all that.. Would be nice to get it out of the way and include that guaranteed back pay for the people out of work right now because of it and let the republicans try to vote no on that too.


Giving you ten dollars today is not worth the same as giving you ten dollars a month from now. That's the whole point of interest.
 
2013-10-02 12:01:53 PM
Maybe this is the gambit:

( D ) "We move Congress goes without pay
( R ) "But! That is unconstitutional!
( D ) "Yeah? So is not paying the bills"
( T ) (scrambles to read the constitutional) "Oh, shiat!"

(The Public) - Heeeeyyyyyy - wait a minute!
 
2013-10-02 12:02:08 PM

Smackledorfer: Congress give very little shiat about their pay for this short a period.

So long as their actions serve continued office, lobbyists will take care of them.


Not to mention if you take a look at the income many of them pull from their investment portfolios you can see the salary is chump-change in the grand scheme.
 
2013-10-02 12:02:32 PM

Smackledorfer: Congress give very little shiat about their pay for this short a period.

So long as their actions serve continued office, lobbyists will take care of them.


Yeah, I doubt many of the power-brokers in Congress are getting the majority of their income from their Congressional salary.
 
2013-10-02 12:02:41 PM
I am always a fan of holding Congress to the same standard they put on us.  So I wish this would happen.
 
2013-10-02 12:02:49 PM
*constitution" duh
 
2013-10-02 12:03:45 PM

sprawl15: nonsense is ok as long as it is to attack someone you disagree with


And whom exactly am I disagreeing with?  Constitutionality is a question of fact to be determined by a judge, not something decided in advance by online constitutional scholars.
 
2013-10-02 12:04:06 PM
Antideficiency Act.
27th Ammendment.


Ugh. Idiots everywhere.
 
2013-10-02 12:04:13 PM

Churchill2004: [www.lifeofthelaw.org image 504x415]


Neither the President nor Congress has really cared about legality for quite some time.
 
2013-10-02 12:04:38 PM
Let's get a few of the underemployed and angry lawyers to represent some of the furloughed federal workers to sue the individual members of congress that voted no on the CR for dereliction of duty under the constitution.  I'd love to see their individual assets seized to pay damages.
 
2013-10-02 12:04:51 PM
Fark it.

Pass this legislation, and let SCOTUS sort it out.
 
2013-10-02 12:05:00 PM
F*ck the 27th Amendment.

Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.

They cannot legally NOT pay themselves.
 
2013-10-02 12:05:12 PM

Paul Baumer: Constitutionality is a question of fact to be determined by a judge


The very existence of political questions of constitutionality which have been ruled as not judicable is proof enough that your statement is outright false.
 
2013-10-02 12:05:20 PM

Churchill2004: [www.lifeofthelaw.org image 504x415]


So you can pass the law, it just won't take effect until 2014.
 
2013-10-02 12:06:13 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: F*ck the 27th Amendment.

Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.

They cannot legally NOT pay themselves.


It says they shall receive a compensation ascertained by law. There's no law saying how much or what or when.
 
2013-10-02 12:06:20 PM

Karac: It would be constitutional - it just couldn't take effect until 2014.

Although, this would dovetail nicely with the current republican plan of keeping the shutdown going, and funding specific parts piecemeal.  If we worked it right, we could eliminate congressional pay forever.


I support this idea, and further would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-10-02 12:06:50 PM
Empty gestures are best gestures.
 
2013-10-02 12:07:11 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: F*ck the 27th Amendment.

Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.

They cannot legally NOT pay themselves.


They're Congress. They can change shiat.

What would it take to modify that clause?
 
2013-10-02 12:07:17 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: F*ck the 27th Amendment.

Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.

They cannot legally NOT pay themselves.


The compensation is for their services, which are currently being withheld and they refuse to render.

It sounds like no one ever expected Congress would simply flat out refuse to do their jobs.
 
2013-10-02 12:07:23 PM

buttholepunch: Why should they bother to show up if they aren't going to get paid? They should get double pay for shutting everything down.


Exactly.  How else can you attract to Congress the best and the bri....  no. I'm sorry. I simply cannot finish typing that.
 
2013-10-02 12:08:13 PM
Suspending their pay during a shutdown would be just as valid as suspending everyone else's (including military) pay.
 
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