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(Kansas City)   Why is there baseball still being played when the Royals have already won the World Series this year?   (kansascity.com) divider line 29
    More: Asinine, World Series, Dayton Moore, John Schuerholz, baseball, Eric Hosmer, division championship, Ned Yost, Mike Moustakas  
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2013-10-02 12:20:11 PM  
That truly was a face palm moment. That being said I'm more upset by Yost getting an extension.
 
2013-10-02 12:23:28 PM  
Remember when Kaufman was the owner?  When 3rd place was a HUGE disappointment.  And nobody was too happy about 2nd place either.
 
2013-10-02 12:26:22 PM  
They were the greatest team playing this year, if you ignore all the ones that were better.
 
2013-10-02 12:29:13 PM  

MizzouGuy: Remember when Kaufman was the owner?  When 3rd place was a HUGE disappointment.  And nobody was too happy about 2nd place either.




91 was the win count in the 1985 regular season. That's 5 more then this year. If you look back at the 1970's -1980's when they were a considered good they never hit 100 wins more then once.
 
2013-10-02 12:32:37 PM  

error 303: They were the greatest team playing this year, if you ignore all the ones that were better.




It was a tale of two halfs. First one they was the same old Royals story. The second half only Detroit had more wins in the AL then them.
 
2013-10-02 12:37:37 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: That truly was a face palm moment. That being said I'm more upset by Yost getting an extension.


See, this is a curious sentiment to me. The team improved by 14 games, and they were supposed to, what? Break him off? Only sign him to a 1 year day and needlessly make him a lame duck next season?

I get that Yost has his moments, and the improvement had more to do with the stabalization of the rotation than anything he was doing day to day, but it's not like he's Buddy Bell bad out there.
 
2013-10-02 12:47:08 PM  
The Royals strike me as two starting pitchers away (assuming that they'll need to replace Santana this offseason) from true contention. I don't think Bruce Chen is a long term solution for them in the rotation.
 
2013-10-02 12:51:03 PM  
Well, sure. We learned back in August that they were actually ahead of schedule.
 
2013-10-02 01:05:27 PM  

Cagey B: The Royals strike me as two starting pitchers away (assuming that they'll need to replace Santana this offseason) from true contention. I don't think Bruce Chen is a long term solution for them in the rotation.




Chen was never suppose to be a starter this year. He started in the pen and was good as a bullpen pitcher. They need to add another starter and a power bat
 
2013-10-02 01:09:13 PM  

jayhawk88: I get that Yost has his moments, and the improvement had more to do with the stabalization of the rotation than anything he was doing day to day, but it's not like he's Buddy Bell bad out there.


I think if they players are behind him, I am behind him.  And it seems to me that the players really enjoy having him around.  Yeah I like to yell at Yost at least once per series at least (Carlos Peñaisms), but a winning season is a winning season for a perpetually disappointing team.  Lets see how next year looks.  I keep saying this- but this was an exciting September for a Royals fan and as a lifelong Royals fan....how many times could I really say that.

/shoulda given him a 1 yr extension and see how that goes?
 
2013-10-02 01:37:42 PM  
Remember in the past series because of George Brett's butt problems during the '80 World Series they were nicknamed the Hemo-Royals?
 
2013-10-02 01:47:05 PM  

Cagey B: The Royals strike me as two starting pitchers away (assuming that they'll need to replace Santana this offseason) from true contention. I don't think Bruce Chen is a long term solution for them in the rotation.


In a small way, Bruce Chen and Luis Mendoza are like major-league pitchers.
 
2013-10-02 02:16:35 PM  

chimp_ninja: Cagey B: The Royals strike me as two starting pitchers away (assuming that they'll need to replace Santana this offseason) from true contention. I don't think Bruce Chen is a long term solution for them in the rotation.

In a small way, Bruce Chen and Luis Mendoza are like major-league pitchers.




Chen was perfectly fine as a 5th starter this year. Would pefer he remained a bullpen member thou
 
2013-10-02 02:50:07 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Chen was perfectly fine as a 5th starter this year. Would pefer he remained a bullpen member thou


He had some ridiculous luck.  All his peripherals point toward him going back to his usual ERA ~5.00 self next year.  Re-sign him at your peril.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:07 PM  

Cagey B: The Royals strike me as two starting pitchers away (assuming that they'll need to replace Santana this offseason) from true contention


Half the teams in MLB are 2 starting pitchers away from true contention. In fairness, for the last 25 years, the Royals have been an entire team away from true contention, so this is a major improvement.
 
2013-10-02 02:55:35 PM  

Buckner: jayhawk88: I get that Yost has his moments, and the improvement had more to do with the stabalization of the rotation than anything he was doing day to day, but it's not like he's Buddy Bell bad out there.

I think if they players are behind him, I am behind him.  And it seems to me that the players really enjoy having him around.  Yeah I like to yell at Yost at least once per series at least (Carlos Peñaisms), but a winning season is a winning season for a perpetually disappointing team.  Lets see how next year looks.  I keep saying this- but this was an exciting September for a Royals fan and as a lifelong Royals fan....how many times could I really say that.

/shoulda given him a 1 yr extension and see how that goes?


1 yr. extensions are kind of a poison pill for managers (and sports in general). Even though it is illogical m, a 2 year extension is now the 1 year extension. It essentially says "we'll see until next year, but the extra year gives you some authority with the players".

Plus, given the Royals recent track record, there is no way Neddy was going down this year.. warts and all.
 
2013-10-02 03:07:30 PM  

ladodger34: 1 yr. extensions are kind of a poison pill for managers (and sports in general). Even though it is illogical m, a 2 year extension is now the 1 year extension. It essentially says "we'll see until next year, but the extra year gives you some authority with the players".


sounds legit.
 
2013-10-02 03:14:02 PM  

jayhawk88: Mid_mo_mad_man: That truly was a face palm moment. That being said I'm more upset by Yost getting an extension.

See, this is a curious sentiment to me. The team improved by 14 games, and they were supposed to, what? Break him off? Only sign him to a 1 year day and needlessly make him a lame duck next season?

I get that Yost has his moments, and the improvement had more to do with the stabalization of the rotation than anything he was doing day to day, but it's not like he's Buddy Bell bad out there.


"If the Royals ever get into a playoff race with Ned Yost as their manager, he's going to cost them games in September with his tactical decisions."

And lo and behold, he did. Ned Yost is a terrible game manager.

That being said, there's a school of thought that simply being a good game manager isn't sufficient towards being a good manager. Manny Acta's in-game decisions were almost all correct, but his record tells us he's an awful manager. The thought is that while managing decisions may affect the outcome of maybe 3-5 games throughout a season, properly motivated and coached players affect that outcome more. Which is why the Indians are doing so well under Francona - look at the turnarounds for guys like Jimenez, Kluber, Kipnis and Brantley. And Francona does make some questionable calls.

Now, I'm not sure I buy that (Cleveland has also seen mighty regression from Asdrubal Cabrera, Chris Perez and Vinnie Pestano, which is too conveniently ignored for this argument), and there's a good argument to be made about not investing in something you can only take on blind faith. But it's a school of thought that exists and works for some people, so I guess I can't get too worked up about Moore bringing Yost back if he believes the players respond to him.

But seriously, Ned Yost is the worst game manager in baseball. Worse than Dusty Baker.
 
2013-10-02 03:26:07 PM  

lacydog: jayhawk88: Mid_mo_mad_man: That truly was a face palm moment. That being said I'm more upset by Yost getting an extension.

See, this is a curious sentiment to me. The team improved by 14 games, and they were supposed to, what? Break him off? Only sign him to a 1 year day and needlessly make him a lame duck next season?

I get that Yost has his moments, and the improvement had more to do with the stabalization of the rotation than anything he was doing day to day, but it's not like he's Buddy Bell bad out there.

"If the Royals ever get into a playoff race with Ned Yost as their manager, he's going to cost them games in September with his tactical decisions."

And lo and behold, he did. Ned Yost is a terrible game manager.

That being said, there's a school of thought that simply being a good game manager isn't sufficient towards being a good manager. Manny Acta's in-game decisions were almost all correct, but his record tells us he's an awful manager. The thought is that while managing decisions may affect the outcome of maybe 3-5 games throughout a season, properly motivated and coached players affect that outcome more. Which is why the Indians are doing so well under Francona - look at the turnarounds for guys like Jimenez, Kluber, Kipnis and Brantley. And Francona does make some questionable calls.

Now, I'm not sure I buy that (Cleveland has also seen mighty regression from Asdrubal Cabrera, Chris Perez and Vinnie Pestano, which is too conveniently ignored for this argument), and there's a good argument to be made about not investing in something you can only take on blind faith. But it's a school of thought that exists and works for some people, so I guess I can't get too worked up about Moore bringing Yost back if he believes the players respond to him.

But seriously, Ned Yost is the worst game manager in baseball. Worse than Dusty Baker.


I'm generally of that school of thought.  As a Mets fan, I was thrilled when the Phillies signed Charlie Manuel to a four year deal since he had Victorino in RF and Werth in CF for most of that season, and then Manuel turned out to do real well.  That being said, a REALLY bad game manager can ruin everything.  See Art Howe with the Mets.

As to Acta, I've always liked him.  It's not like he had particularly good teams to run.
 
2013-10-02 03:26:57 PM  

lacydog: "If the Royals ever get into a playoff race with Ned Yost as their manager, he's going to cost them games in September with his tactical decisions."

And lo and behold, he did. Ned Yost is a terrible game manager.


Thanks for that article.  Now instead of explaining how this was bad, I can just link to an article.  More time for catvids.
 
2013-10-02 03:37:42 PM  

lacydog: jayhawk88: Mid_mo_mad_man: That truly was a face palm moment. That being said I'm more upset by Yost getting an extension.

See, this is a curious sentiment to me. The team improved by 14 games, and they were supposed to, what? Break him off? Only sign him to a 1 year day and needlessly make him a lame duck next season?

I get that Yost has his moments, and the improvement had more to do with the stabalization of the rotation than anything he was doing day to day, but it's not like he's Buddy Bell bad out there.

"If the Royals ever get into a playoff race with Ned Yost as their manager, he's going to cost them games in September with his tactical decisions."

And lo and behold, he did. Ned Yost is a terrible game manager.

That being said, there's a school of thought that simply being a good game manager isn't sufficient towards being a good manager. Manny Acta's in-game decisions were almost all correct, but his record tells us he's an awful manager. The thought is that while managing decisions may affect the outcome of maybe 3-5 games throughout a season, properly motivated and coached players affect that outcome more. Which is why the Indians are doing so well under Francona - look at the turnarounds for guys like Jimenez, Kluber, Kipnis and Brantley. And Francona does make some questionable calls.

Now, I'm not sure I buy that (Cleveland has also seen mighty regression from Asdrubal Cabrera, Chris Perez and Vinnie Pestano, which is too conveniently ignored for this argument), and there's a good argument to be made about not investing in something you can only take on blind faith. But it's a school of thought that exists and works for some people, so I guess I can't get too worked up about Moore bringing Yost back if he believes the players respond to him.

But seriously, Ned Yost is the worst game manager in baseball. Worse than Dusty Baker.


Jesus.  I only just read that link.

That's horrific.  Fire Yost immediately.  I don't care that he just signed for two years.
 
2013-10-02 03:37:47 PM  

ladodger34: 1 yr. extensions are kind of a poison pill for managers (and sports in general). Even though it is illogical m, a 2 year extension is now the 1 year extension. It essentially says "we'll see until next year, but the extra year gives you some authority with the players".


Plus...how much can Yost possibly be making per year, even with the extension now? $1.5m, maybe? It's not like this is going to destroy the franchise if they end up having to fire him early.
 
2013-10-02 03:40:23 PM  

NewWorldDan: Cagey B: The Royals strike me as two starting pitchers away (assuming that they'll need to replace Santana this offseason) from true contention

Half the teams in MLB are 2 starting pitchers away from true contention. In fairness, for the last 25 years, the Royals have been an entire team away from true contention, so this is a major improvement.


Well, does he mean 2 ace caliber starters or 2 average starters?  If you're saying, Felix Hernandez and Justin Verlander then, yeah, that'll turn just about any team into a contender.
 
2013-10-02 03:50:39 PM  
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2013-10-02 04:12:09 PM  

meanmutton: Well, does he mean 2 ace caliber starters or 2 average starters? If you're saying, Felix Hernandez and Justin Verlander then, yeah, that'll turn just about any team into a contender.


I had meant two solid middle-of-the-rotation types. Shields and Santana made up a passable top of the rotation, but there's not a lot behind them. Of course, I had imagined that KC had a pretty good offense to go along with the pitching, but then I looked up their team offense ranks, and it looks like they could use a couple bats too.

At which point, you're asking Dayton Moore to grab like four extra players in the offseason, which he probably can't be trusted to do without trading Alex Gordon for the contents of a Shriners Hospital burn ward.
 
2013-10-02 06:00:23 PM  
Meanwhile, Wil Myers is going to the playoffs with Tampa Bay and has a very good chance at winning rookie of the year.
 
2013-10-02 06:29:21 PM  

rcf1105: Meanwhile, Wil Myers is going to the playoffs with Tampa Bay and has a very good chance at winning rookie of the year.


I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
 
2013-10-02 07:45:53 PM  

rcf1105: Meanwhile, Wil Myers is going to the playoffs with Tampa Bay and has a very good chance at winning rookie of the year.




Your point being?
 
2013-10-03 12:40:18 PM  

lacydog: "If the Royals ever get into a playoff race with Ned Yost as their manager, he's going to cost them games in September with his tactical decisions."

And lo and behold, he did. Ned Yost is a terrible game manager.


Oof. That was a gut punch of an article. Against the Indians, no less.

Of course, that same week, there was the Jeremy Guthrie decision against the Tigers. Dude had pitched 7 innings, 102 pitches, 12 hits, and only given up 2 runs - so of course Yost throws him back out in the 8th in a tie game. Guess what happens?
 
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