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(Salon)   Gen X is the awesomest and toughest and way better than than those self-absorbed millennials and why didn't daddy love me?   (salon.com) divider line 131
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2013-10-02 04:00:19 PM  
1968 GenXer here:

1. We  Like Work  -- I guess, especially because I doubt I will retire until I am too ill to work, It is nice to telecommute and dress casually. Wouldn't mind the big raises my dad got (excluding the heavy inflation years). But it is disheartening watching a 125 year old company go down the tubes not because it couldn't adjust to the 21st century but because the bean counters are exporting all the jobs, which require a BA and above, overseas for short term gain and long term ruin.

2. We Can Warm a Bench  -- Screw that, i didn't even try out for little league because I knew I sucked. My son sucked just as much as I did but he got a trophy anyway. The only trophy I ever got was the toilet bowl trophy for finishing in last place in the father and son bowling league.

3. We Age Gracefully  -- My parents, even when dressed informally, dressed rather formally. I can remember my dad wearing jeans just once. Same for a polo shirt. He wore black socks with his sandals and bermuda shorts. My mom wore summer dressed and pants outfits that would put Hilary to shame. You knew they were adults. My wife and I dress more like 20 somethings, minus the tattoos when not working. And now that our eldest is a teen almost my size, my wife easily gets our clothes mixed up (well t-shirts and socks).  We also go to gym, avoid red meat and don't smoke which probably helps.

4. We Played Catch With Friends Instead of Fathers  -- Always played with other kids. I can remember my dad coming to exactly one of our temple's informal Sunday morning softball games. At least he liked to bowl with us. And aside from cooking the occasional meal, he never did any chores (aside from grocery shopping with my mom but that was to keep us on budget). And i work from home often because I can, unlike my wife.

5. We Accept Impermanence -- When my wife and I started dating she was shocked that I, a native New Yorker, had never been to the top of the WTC. I responded, before she dragged me up, that we live here, I can always go another time. Whoops.

That said, our children think we lived in the dark ages of no cable, no recording of shows, no internet, no cell phone etc. I guess it's the same way I was shocked my grandparents/parents didn't have a TV growing up. I was roaming the streets of my NYC neighborhood on my own by 10 -- today that would almost be considered child abandonment. And my dad did buy me my first Intellivision at 13 and Commodore 64 at 15 because he loved the video games. His problem was he was born 50-60 years too early to be a gamer.
 
2013-10-02 04:03:24 PM  
Great find, Subby!
 
2013-10-02 04:12:23 PM  
these articles make me feel so lost.  WHICH GENERATION IS MINE?!?!  born in 1982.  i never watched the fonz but did memorize phone numbers.
 
2013-10-02 04:19:02 PM  

chairmenmeow47: these articles make me feel so lost.  WHICH GENERATION IS MINE?!?!  born in 1982.  i never watched the fonz but did memorize phone numbers.



What were your parents like?  Culturally conventional, or more cutting-edge for their generation?  Were they Boomers?  Omnipresent or absent?

Did you feel a lot of pressure to join civic groups or organize any protests or activist movements?  Or more of a keep-to-yourself thing and focus on your own circle?
 
2013-10-02 04:24:38 PM  
As I told my much younger sister when she was complaining about not getting a playstation 2 for Christmas several years ago, "when I was growing up, if you wanted to play a video game at home you had to program it your damn self."
 
2013-10-02 04:40:11 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: and why didn't daddy love me?

'Cause he was too busy loving the pool boy...


Speak for yourself, bro/sis. Mine was dead by the time I was 7.

/Record scratch
 
2013-10-02 04:56:43 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


1961-1980
 
2013-10-02 05:06:30 PM  
If you can remember WWII ending, you are definitely not a Baby Boomer.

If you can remember JFK's assassination, you are definitely not a Generation X-er.

If you can remember the Reagan presidency, you are definitely not a Generation Y-er, or Millenial, or whatever the hell they're called.

If you can remember 9/11, you are definitely not a Generation Z-er, or whatever the hell they're called.

/Born in '88, which would make me a Generation Y-er/Millenial.
 
2013-10-02 05:07:50 PM  

chairmenmeow47: these articles make me feel so lost.  WHICH GENERATION IS MINE?!?!  born in 1982.  i never watched the fonz but did memorize phone numbers.


You're Gen Y.

Seriously people this isn't very hard
 
2013-10-02 05:08:04 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: If you can clearly remember WWII ending, you are definitely not a Baby Boomer.

If you can clearly remember JFK's assassination, you are definitely not a Generation X-er.

If you can clearly remember the Reagan presidency, you are definitely not a Generation Y-er, or Millenial, or whatever the hell they're called.

If you can clearly remember 9/11, you are definitely not a Generation Z-er, or whatever the hell they're called.

/Born in '88, which would make me a Generation Y-er/Millenial.


FTFM.
 
2013-10-02 05:09:24 PM  
Pretty much...Yup

Watching  Boomers chase after stuff their whole lives and ending up broke sad and old
Laughing at millennial do the same thing with wanting to be famous for 15 minutes.

Whatever
We just do our thing
 
2013-10-02 05:14:10 PM  

a flock of birds: jpo2269: The Millennials are not going to take this one well.  Much butthurt will be shared on this thread I do predict...

I'll bite.

I notice that a large number of Gen X-ers who post about generational differences are just as self-absorbed as they allege the Millennials to be; they just lack the self awareness to recognize it.

For example:  "I'm part of the best generation!  It sucks to be stuck between these two inferior, sucky generations.  Ugh.  I wish they could be as un-self-absorbed as I AM.  Whatever; look at the cool way I can say "meh."  See how I can affect such a cool demeanor by the way I relax my face just perfectly when I say it?  No, not like that.  You'll never be able to say "meh" like someone of MY generation.   Look at me and how much I don't care!!!"

/friends with a lot of great Gen X-ers


Says no one in the article or this thread
 
2013-10-02 05:18:56 PM  

Phinn: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

Gen X is anyone born after the moment Kennedy was shot, to the moment Reagan was elected.

And not a second earlier or later.


I like this definition.
 
2013-10-02 05:19:46 PM  
I'm a Generation Xer married to a Millennial.

Oh the Lulz when it come to child rearing.

Halloween:
Me: Um, let's pick something cheap at Target
Mrs.: I want to hand sew a costume, and have everyone themed and ...

On Juggling Knives:
Me: No, no no. Move your face away from the spinning blades. Like this.
Mrs: OMGWTF

On career plans:
Me: I have to work 9-5...
Mrs: Well I better see that bathroom scrubbed at 5:15 then
 
2013-10-02 05:27:33 PM  
Phinn: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

Gen X is anyone born after the moment Kennedy was shot, elected to the moment Reagan Nixon was elected.

And not a second earlier or later.

Says me, because I was a Kennedy baby and self-identify with the Xers not the Boomers.
 
2013-10-02 05:32:37 PM  

Phinn: Generation Jones


You know I had never heard of that before but it does make a certain amount of sense, My mom is a boomer but my stepdad would be a joneser and you can see some of the proto X behavior.

That and Obama is a Joneser, IT EXPLAINS EVERTHING!

It does make me wonder if there would be a typical generation overlap between X & Y  Nixons resignation to Reagan maybe?
I mean I fall in that group...

Does that mean I have the worst of X and the worst of Y? Apathy + Self absorption!?

GOD HELP US!
 
2013-10-02 05:49:57 PM  
Meh. These "generational" terms are not very useful, that's why people biatch about them.

The people who work in advertising and PR (like me) have "profiles" of different groups that purport to outline their likes, dislikes, etc. We break it down even more specifically, though, not just by age. We use labels that the groups themselves would probably find flattering, like "Savvy Seniors" (or something like that, I can't remember the names exactly, it's been awhile since I read this shiat). Segmenting just by age is not specific enough to be useful. Nielsen has a list of them that is, no shiat, 66 items long, with names like  Young Digerati and  New Empty Nests and  Middleburg Managers.

It's just to sell you all more stuff (whether that stuff is clothing, medicine, food or a political party). We don't care if you hate each other, we just want to make money off of you. The generic "X" and "Millennials" labels are mostly just for click bait articles. So no need to try to figure out which age group you're in. It doesn't matter. We already know what group you go into, because we've already got you in one of them. Enjoy your Facebook and Twitter ads.
 
2013-10-02 06:14:05 PM  

dready zim: Phinn: I've had more than one acquaintance say something like, "I'm going to give my kids a real childhood if I have to sew the costumes for the school play myself."

And that is how we spawn millenials...


Yeah, it's the moms that say stuff like that.

The Gen X dads are pretty much exactly like we were in college -- chockablock full of sardonic mockery and disillusionment.
 
2013-10-02 06:14:52 PM  
Is this "Gen X, Gen Y, Gen Whatever" thing supposed to be the new, intellectual version of "what's your zodiac sign?" Because it's certainly got that same accuracy level down.
 
2013-10-02 06:21:27 PM  

onzmadi: Phinn: Generation Jones

You know I had never heard of that before but it does make a certain amount of sense, My mom is a boomer but my stepdad would be a joneser and you can see some of the proto X behavior.

That and Obama is a Joneser, IT EXPLAINS EVERTHING!

It does make me wonder if there would be a typical generation overlap between X & Y  Nixons resignation to Reagan maybe?
I mean I fall in that group...

Does that mean I have the worst of X and the worst of Y? Apathy + Self absorption!?

GOD HELP US!


Obama is the Ur-Joneser -- just enough Boomer to have been pickled in a stew of earnestness and activism and causes and self-important righteousness, and yet was late enough in the Boomer era to have watched all that Boomer idealism turn to shiat, plus a broken home, lots of drugs, and absolutely no sincerity whatsoever.
 
2013-10-02 06:23:07 PM  

ImmaHoopyFrood: SheltemDragon: I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.

Are you serious about this (at least a little)?  Because I've thought the generations after mine were the first ones to be truly monitored and shackled.  Like the parents never wanted the kids to fly off with middle finger extended and raise some hell while they can get away with it.  When I was a teen the policy was "don't get caught and try not to be an ass".  We waited a little bit to have kids but I have two that are about ready to leave the house and I'm known as the "dangerous dad".  Don't let your kids play with his kids.  They might end up bicycling to a river and swim in water that isn't chlorinated.  Plus they would be unsupervised and a 17 year old needs constant surveillance apparantly.


A bit, but I honestly am more channeling my best friend from High School. He was basically the poster child for a latch key child. Strait home after school, no friends in the immaculate house, friends (of which I was the only one I ever knew about) on the weekend barely tolerated (and almost never in the house). I was too busy watching my younger siblings and being parental proxy after school from 3 pm - 7pm about age 11 on.

/ And listening to my parents marriage disintegrate in the evenings and at night when they thought everyone was asleep
// Anyone who stays married "for the children" and then spends the next 10 years arguing should be beaten.
/// I love them both dearly, but I will never be able to truly forgive, or fix, the emotional damage.
 
2013-10-02 06:26:52 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


1974 here. I am a Gen Xer by almost any measurement.
 
2013-10-02 06:30:39 PM  

onzmadi: a flock of birds: jpo2269: The Millennials are not going to take this one well.  Much butthurt will be shared on this thread I do predict...

I'll bite.

I notice that a large number of Gen X-ers who post about generational differences are just as self-absorbed as they allege the Millennials to be; they just lack the self awareness to recognize it.

For example:  "I'm part of the best generation!  It sucks to be stuck between these two inferior, sucky generations.  Ugh.  I wish they could be as un-self-absorbed as I AM.  Whatever; look at the cool way I can say "meh."  See how I can affect such a cool demeanor by the way I relax my face just perfectly when I say it?  No, not like that.  You'll never be able to say "meh" like someone of MY generation.   Look at me and how much I don't care!!!"

/friends with a lot of great Gen X-ers

Says no one in the article or this thread


You literally said this right after making a post about how you laugh at the inferiority you perceive in the generations that surround you.

I don't think most Gen X-ers are the way I described.  I'm just noting that there is a loud subset of the generation that flock to the internet and and gloat on and on about how wonderful and special they are for not being self-absorbed like everyone else.
 
2013-10-02 08:07:59 PM  
"Hey, dad."

"Hey."

"What's new?"

"Nothing much. You?"

"The same. Nothing much. How's mom?"

"She's good. At least she was the last time I saw her."

"Good. Well....I guess I'll talk to you later."

"Okay."

"Cats in the cradle, dad."

"Whatever."
 
2013-10-02 10:01:02 PM  
Please Millenials, before you start recylcing Boomers into fertilizer, settle on a firm date as to when Boomerdom ended and Xdom started - and let all the pitchfork weilding MIllenials know?

That'd be great, thanks.
 

/No matter how badly things suck
//There is always room for deprovement
 
2013-10-02 10:25:44 PM  

Gonz: The defining anthem of our generation finishes with the phrase that speaks to all of us:

"Oh, well. Whatever. Nevermind."


Umm, no.  That whiny shiat is the furthest thing from a "defining anthem" and does not speak for me.

Gen X is the first generation to tell their kids to turn the music down - not because it's too loud, but because it sucks.
 
2013-10-02 10:50:48 PM  
1972, right in the middle of Gen X. And going to see The Cure and NIN at Voodoo Fest in New Orleans this Halloween!

When I started college, I could get through a semester for $600 at a junior college. At some point the tide turned and I think we became the first generation to take on serious college debt. However, the economy and job market was good.

Sex as a teenager or twenty something was absolutely terrifying. We were great at condom use and birth control. They indoctrinated us about the perils of Aids and unplanned pregnancy.

Every kid I knew had after school or at least summer jobs and it was serious hands off parenting. I found myself in numerous situations that would give today's parents a heart attack, from hanging out in Tijuana at 16 to getting in cars with people I didn't know, or just spending the whole day at the beach with friends at age 11. No cell phones to keep in touch.

Truth or dare was more innocent. The most you ever did with a boy in the closer was a sloppy French kiss or awkward groping. I hear they're giving BJs now, etc...

And as far as the clothing...there was a good amount of obnoxious, fluorescent prints and big plastic earrings and big hair and preppy and shoulder pads. But there were a lot of trends. There was goth, which was just like the emo of today. In Southern California a lot of us dressed like surfer dudes and chicks.

What I miss the most is the privacy, the ability to be anonymous, the freedom to not have every moment documented and transmitted, and the ease of starting a new life. Now, everything (and everybody from every phase of your life) follows you forever. Every mistake, every legal problem is right there for anyone to find in a matter of seconds. Two edged sword I guess.
 
2013-10-03 01:37:10 AM  

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Ah, the memories. Thanks for making my day.
 
2013-10-03 10:41:52 AM  

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


I'll give it a go.  I'd say 1960-1979.
 
2013-10-03 11:38:56 AM  

SheltemDragon: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

1974 here. I am a Gen Xer by almost any measurement.


'74 here as well.  I'd say we're right in the middle range of Gen X.  Not at the beginning, or the end, but squarely in the middle.
 
2013-10-03 02:27:48 PM  

FTDA: SheltemDragon: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

1974 here. I am a Gen Xer by almost any measurement.

'74 here as well.  I'd say we're right in the middle range of Gen X.  Not at the beginning, or the end, but squarely in the middle.


'73 is the middle.   You're one of the new kids.  Probably still an X-er, if you had an older brother or sister to get you up to speed.
 
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