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2013-10-02 12:44:30 PM
Getting a kick because were were just arguing about generational differences in a politics shutdown thread.

Gen X was the awesomest generation because we had an extraordinary economic advantage.  The Internet was catching fire just as we were graduating from college, and simply "knowing computers" was a huge leg up in the job market.  The fledgling information economy made just about any academic skill, from writing to graphic design, worth more money.  You could get a decent job just because you knew HTML.

On top of that, the whole economy was booming large, and college tuition hadn't yet exploded to correct for the huge economic advantage that it conferred.  Internships were paid, and paid well enought to tempt you to quit school.

Meanwhile, millennials are mocked for being self-centered with unreasonable expectations.  Where did they get those expectations from?  Where did they get the idea that they should get a decent job just because they knew how to use Twitter?  They got that idea because Gen X honestly enjoyed that level of privilege.

But then there's the dark side:  Gen X is also the generation that had no particular reason to grow up---we've always had it pretty good---and so we've never really committed to adulthood.  This is why the government is shut down:  the Altzheimer's generation is running things based on scary mass mailings, and instead of stepping in to run their affairs we're too busy arguing about comic books and taking animated cartoons far too seriously.
 
2013-10-02 12:45:41 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


No.  It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study.  Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942  (generally agreed to end  in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002
 
2013-10-02 12:45:47 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...



Gen X is anyone born after the moment Kennedy was shot, to the moment Reagan was elected.

And not a second earlier or later.
 
2013-10-02 12:55:04 PM
As an Xer, meh. Author talks to much about himself and his shiatty upbringing. Guess what asshole that was almost 40 years ago and if you are still talking about your childhood, your mommy and daddy issues, how great or lame it was then you are still a child.
 
2013-10-02 12:55:33 PM

TwistedFark: SheltemDragon: doubled99: We've always been the coolest

I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.

/ Even though now I teach school

My childhood.

At least I had my C64 and Ducktales to keep me occupied until my parents came home at 6pm and fed me some sort of shiatty pasta bake.

My wife is a "Y" and she doesn't understand the total apathy I have for my parents. I tried to explain to her that they raised me that way, but she still doesn't get it.

Also, anyone else think that their parents are kind of stupid? I don't mean in the "low IQ" sort of way, but if you look at the things they obsess about and how they've let it totally dominate their lives, you just shake your head and go, "What da fuq?"

I dunno, maybe I'm just being hard on them because I ran out of farks to give when I was 12. Meh indeed.


Gen Xers are the Middle Children of the generation siblings. Being a middle child and a gen-xer technically I shouldn't even respond, but I did like the line of "I never got an award because I didn't deserve one." The day they started introducing participation awards and checkpoints to video games, I knew we were going to raise a different type of person.

Even the introduction of the pause button on the NES was kind of a cheat in our eyes. It was for pee breaks but also turned into a way to catch the last moment of your character living.  Your hero is paused above the pit and not going to make it. You watch as he's frozen in the digital version of a vegetative coma. Do you unpause to get it over with? Do you keep it paused trying to think of a solution to still survive? There is no surviving solution.

/unpause and start over
 
2013-10-02 12:58:26 PM

Khellendros: It's like humanity has changed, fundamentally.

You're telling me that a generation near retirement is upset with a generation that is coming into young adulthood?  That's never happened in human history.  I'll bet they even have a list of things they ascribe specifically to that young generation - probably something like lazy, apathetic, disconnected from reality, and moving too fast.  Oh, and self-absorbed and selfish.  And I bet that awful set of young whippersnappers has a lot to say about their elders - disconnected from modern reality, self-righteous, self-absorbed, and unwilling to hand the reins over to the new capable set of innovators.

Jesus, stop the farking presses.  It's like everyone is taking crazy pills.  This isn't exactly like every generational relationship in human history.


Exactly, besides as someone who leads teams of Mellinials all the time they are awesome. Enthusiastic, hard working, and if you can lead or just give them some guidance they can get dam near any job done.
 
2013-10-02 12:58:34 PM
When you're 8 and Evel Knievel is in his prime, well it just doesn't get any better.
 
2013-10-02 12:59:50 PM
We wouln't have strippers and porn if we didn't have a few shiatty parents on the earth.
 
2013-10-02 12:59:59 PM

Xcott: Getting a kick because were were just arguing about generational differences in a politics shutdown thread.

Gen X was the awesomest generation because we had an extraordinary economic advantage.  The Internet was catching fire just as we were graduating from college, and simply "knowing computers" was a huge leg up in the job market.  The fledgling information economy made just about any academic skill, from writing to graphic design, worth more money.  You could get a decent job just because you knew HTML.

On top of that, the whole economy was booming large, and college tuition hadn't yet exploded to correct for the huge economic advantage that it conferred.  Internships were paid, and paid well enought to tempt you to quit school.

Meanwhile, millennials are mocked for being self-centered with unreasonable expectations.  Where did they get those expectations from?  Where did they get the idea that they should get a decent job just because they knew how to use Twitter?  They got that idea because Gen X honestly enjoyed that level of privilege.

But then there's the dark side:  Gen X is also the generation that had no particular reason to grow up---we've always had it pretty good---and so we've never really committed to adulthood.  This is why the government is shut down:  the Altzheimer's generation is running things based on scary mass mailings, and instead of stepping in to run their affairs we're too busy arguing about comic books and taking animated cartoons far too seriously.


???? Don't know about you buddy, but I graduated college into a recession, took a beating in the internet dot bomb bust, and I am taking another beating economically now.
 
2013-10-02 01:00:46 PM

Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002


Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)
 
2013-10-02 01:04:07 PM
I have nothing to add, so here is Twerking Pudding.

img.fark.net

/I weep for the future.
 
2013-10-02 01:11:29 PM

free_xenu: When you're 8 and Evel Knievel is in his prime, well it just doesn't get any better.


I met him when I was about 3 or 4 (don't remember it). He was at a local hospital visiting kids, and I happened to live across the street. My mom said she looked out side and my best friend and I were talking to some guy in a car. She came outside to check on us, make sure we weren't getting abducted, guy in the car was Evel Knievel.

/csb

Damn I wish I remembered that happening.
 
2013-10-02 01:17:37 PM

Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)



There's another group at the very end of the Boomers -- born before Gen X, but not really part of the Boomer ethos.  They were born from about 1958 or 1959 or so, and up through the JFK assassination.

It's Generation Jones.

They are, by and large, the very worst specimens of humanity ever created.  They have all of the Boomer problems (excessive self-importance and a retarded sense of crusader idealism), but it's contaminated with the worst aspects of GenX -- cynicism, but a type that hasn't quite gelled into the unique Gen-X quality of ironic, unserious observational pessimism that comes from the Gen X experience as a latchkey child of divorce and a total lack of role models.

Generation Jones grew up at the very pinnacle of recreational drug use and sexual "liberation," after they had already been co-opted and commodified, and thus did not experience the same End of the Party sensation that Gen X had, who had no sexual liberation because of all the Boomers' sexually transmitted diseases, and had no fun with recreational drugs because things switched from marijuana in the dorm room, to cocaine and jail time and rehab.

As a result, members of Generation Jones are all sociopaths.  No one likes them -- not the Boomers whom they superficially emulate with their annoying phony-idealistic crap, and not the Gen Xers who see right through their complete lack of genuine personality.  They should all be murdered.
 
2013-10-02 01:22:24 PM
Well, back in MY day...

/Gen-Xer
//At least our music was better
 
2013-10-02 01:23:18 PM
Modified Cornstarch:
Even the introduction of the pause button on the NES was kind of a cheat in our eyes. It was for pee breaks but also turned into a way to catch the last moment of your character living.  Your hero is paused above the pit and not going to make it. You watch as he's frozen in the digital version of a vegetative coma. Do you unpause to get it over with? Do you keep it paused trying to think of a solution to still survive? There is no surviving solution.

/unpause and start over


My older brother once figured out a third option: pausing the game just before the character fell in a pit, handing me the controller for my turn, and then, as I unpaused, claiming that I just died and taking the controller back.

(That was actually a joke, but since I was about seven, boy was I pissed for a moment.)
 
2013-10-02 01:24:28 PM
flock,

you sound obsessed.
 
2013-10-02 01:25:32 PM

Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)


Again, it depends on the source you're using.  You're using the event split that's common to a lot of pop culture, not the demographic split used in most literature on the subject.  It depends ENTIRELY on the research source you're looking at, and there is no authority on it.  It's flexible, and for good reason.
 
2013-10-02 01:28:43 PM
jpo,

for countering your counterpoint?
OK...

Meh.
 
2013-10-02 01:32:40 PM
This article makes me want to find my Docs, tuck some threadbare Duck Head khakis into them and top it off with a concert t-shirt wrapped in flannel.

I'm not even supposed to be here today!
 
2013-10-02 01:33:31 PM

redmid17: UberDave: Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.

Did I miss something then? Because that seemed like 75% of the article to me. Yeah he went on about why that affected the Gen X outlook, but it was still a "back when i was a youngin"


I guess to clarify...the vast majority of Gen X vs Millennials/everyone after Gen X, are more like "this is how it was back in our day - you're a whiny biatch".  This was more "this is the way it was for us which is why we are the way we are now"...that's way better than your typical article about how the younger generations suck.
 
2013-10-02 01:36:40 PM
the_vegetarian_cannibal:

/born in the late 80s
//why can't we all just get along and hate on the boomers together?


You may be on to something...  These articles are nothing but a diversionary tactic...the REAL problem is the Boomer Generation.  Fark those guys.
 
2013-10-02 01:37:51 PM

wyltoknow: Nothing like condensing a wide range of social, economic, religious, and cultural values into a simplistic "hurrr you were born during an arbitrary timeperiod so you dumb" mess.


Human beings love granfalloons.
 
2013-10-02 01:51:07 PM

UberDave: redmid17: UberDave: Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.

Did I miss something then? Because that seemed like 75% of the article to me. Yeah he went on about why that affected the Gen X outlook, but it was still a "back when i was a youngin"

I guess to clarify...the vast majority of Gen X vs Millennials/everyone after Gen X, are more like "this is how it was back in our day - you're a whiny biatch".  This was more "this is the way it was for us which is why we are the way we are now"...that's way better than your typical article about how the younger generations suck.



It has to do with the typical, large-scale, common experiences that most members of each generation has when they're children.

Gen Xers were born after Kennedy had been assassinated, and America's general attitude was far from positive.  Johnson was so bad as President that he didn't even run for office again, then Nixon came and the media hated him with a purple passion (even though he was certainly no conservative), and then he resigned in the biggest political scandal of the century, leaving a president with no real political support and thus got very little done.  In the meantime, the economy turned to absolute crap, and some of the main features of the Boomer ethos turned out to cause huge social problems -- no-fault divorce, the Pill, and rampant middle class drug use.

The kids who were born or were young children during the late 1960s and early 1970s did not have the same childhood experiences as people who were born in 1985.

I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.  None are divorced.  All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did.  Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are so farking wholesome and conventional that they seem like something from the set of Season 1 of Mad Men.  At other times we socialize amongst ourselves, without kids around, which is also the way things were done before 1960 or so -- children are (and were) removed from the scene where "adult" activities are occurring.

Among middle-aged Gen Xers, there's not a single element of hippy/Beatles/Back to the Land or any other feature of the 1960s counterculture, that I can see, although a lot of those features were adopted wholesale by the Boomers' Millennial children.  For example, the entire Occupy Movement was one big attempt to re-create their parents' 1960s revolutionary spirit, but it just turned out to be a sad fizzle.  No Gen Xer would have organized something like that.
 
2013-10-02 01:54:22 PM
As far as I can tell, according to the way that the author describes things, there's a reason I'm married to a Gen Xer and not a fellow Millenial - we have a lot more in common. Though I preferred indoor activities to outdoor, buried myself in schoolwork around age 11, and my dad was always there for me, while my mom worked and took stress out on us. But whatever, the label doesn't matter that much, if you ask me. As for wanting to have a dream job and wanting to be famous, I wanted fame for about a year as an elementary schooler, but I wanted to be a famous meteorologist. Took me a while to realize that didn't work so well and went with just a normal meteorologist, but hopefully a skilled one. Threw out the handful of participation awards I got, too. I wanted to win and/or be the best, not a reminder that I had fallen short.

Gen Xers probably have way less student debt than me, though. *sigh* All I want is a job I don't hate that pays me on time (a skill my university seems to lack, to the point where I'm contemplating moving on before getting my MS because of it), well enough to just cover my needs, and my friends are all the same way. *shrug* I'm probably missing the point somewhere, it seems I almost always am.
 
2013-10-02 02:07:01 PM

Phinn: Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: ...

There's another group at the very end of the Boomers -- born before Gen X, but not really part of the Boomer ethos.  They were born from about 1958 or 1959 or so, and up through the JFK assassination.

It's Generation Jones.

They are, by and large, the very worst specimens of humanity ever created.  They have all of the Boomer problems (excessive self-importance and a retarded sense of crusader idealism), but it's contaminated with the worst aspects of GenX -- cynicism, but a type that hasn't quite gelled into the unique Gen-X quality of ironic, unserious observational pessimism that comes from the Gen X experience as a latchkey child of divorce and a total lack of role models.

Generation Jones grew up at the very pinnacle of recreational drug use and sexual "liberation," after they had already been co-opted and commodified, and thus did not experience the same End of the Party sensation that Gen X had, who had no sexual liberation because of all the Boomers' sexually transmitted diseases, and had no fun with recreational drugs because things switched from marijuana in the dorm room, to cocaine and jail time and rehab.

As a result, members of Generation Jones are all sociopaths.  No one likes them -- not the Boome ...


Thank you for this. You've explained why all my aunts and uncles younger than my parents are nutjobs that can't be invited to any family event.

/ Gen X-er
 
2013-10-02 02:08:46 PM

Khellendros: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

No.  It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study.  Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942  (generally agreed to end  in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002


'77 here, and I don't think I'm an Xer, and I'm definitely not a millenial, being gainfully employed and all.  We were the group that first had video games (Atari 2600 FTW) and VCRs, and first touchtone, then CORDLESS phones!  We had to suffer through calling girls houses and having their parents answer early in life, but also got the edge of bewbs on cell phones post-college.   A transitional group.
 
2013-10-02 02:14:39 PM
TwistedFark:

My wife is a "Y" and she doesn't understand the total apathy I have for my parents. I tried to explain to her that they raised me that way, but she still doesn't get it.

Also, anyone else think that their parents are kind of stupid? I don't mean in the "low IQ" sort of way, but if you look at the things they obsess about and how they've let it totally dominate their lives, you just shake your head and go, "What da fuq?"

I dunno, maybe I'm just being hard on them because I ran out of farks to give when I was 12. Meh indeed.


I was extremely lucky for a Gen-Xer (well, in some ways) and my parents were both born in '43 so they're kinda/sorta not Boomers. Granny passed on her Depression era thriftiness to mom, and despite escaping the family farm herself, she still introduced my mom to it so she passed on all sorts of useful things like cooking, gardening, canning, sewing, etc, plus lots of outdoor skills through Girl Scouts. I'd never call her interests stupid because they were actually useful, even the crafting stuff. However the unlucky part is that she passed when I was 15 so I feel like I lost out on a lot of knowledge.

Dad also definitely loves me, he just wasn't 'involved' because I wasn't a son, probably, but he was still around most of the time. He also got me exposed to computers at an early age, taught me to change my own oil, and gave me real tools for Christmas and let me mess around with them. Grateful for every year he hangs in there...
 
2013-10-02 02:17:06 PM
Us gen Xers have our slackers too.  To many (I think) of us, maybe most of us, they are not "disavantaged", and they were not given a poor shake.  They are simply "losers."    We have our appologists as well.

One criticism of the work ethic of Y is IMO partly to blame on the boomers.  When us Gen Xers were young adults it was the entrenched boomers doing their best to put every hurdle they could in front of children trying to get jobs while in school.  Us Xers were still powerless and ignored punks at the time.  In the 80s, if you want to buy some shiat, you went almost anywhere and got a minimum wage part-time job at 16 years old.  I started washing dishes for under minimum wage at 15.  By the time you graduated from high school you already had two years of work experience.  A decade later kids had to get permission slips or work permits or some such shiat.  And now we wonder that 19-year-olds come into a workplace and have no idea that they will need to focus on some job job task for 8 hours straight.    shiat, i'm late for a meeting@!  Ha!  Irreponsible Xer.....
 
2013-10-02 02:24:07 PM
I'm Generation X. People say we're apathetic but I don't care.
 
2013-10-02 02:33:00 PM

CruJones: Khellendros: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

No.  It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study.  Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942  (generally agreed to end  in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

'77 here, and I don't think I'm an Xer, and I'm definitely not a millenial, being gainfully employed and all.  We were the group that first had video games (Atari 2600 FTW) and VCRs, and first touchtone, then CORDLESS phones!  We had to suffer through calling girls houses and having their parents answer early in life, but also got the edge of bewbs on cell phones post-college.   A transitional group.


You're definitely a Gen Xer.
 
2013-10-02 02:33:39 PM
Oh, the ennui. The intellectual malaise.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:36 PM

L.D. Ablo: Well, back in MY day...

/Gen-Xer
//At least our music was better


I'm not going to make judgments on GenX' music versus the Boomers' or the Millennials'.  Though I will say that part of our angst came about because Top 40 stations turned to oldies.  Also, it seems strange to me that Millennials know exactly what the big...red...candy-like button is. 
 
Seriously, I teach mostly Millennials, and do not fear the possibility that I'll see their faces as I'm wheeled into an emergency room (except for the part about getting wheeled into an emergency room!)  The kids are alright, by many measures they are an improvement on my generation, and by the rest it's too early to judge.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:19 PM

Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were. None are divorced. All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did. Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are so farking wholesome and conventional that they seem like something from the set of Season 1 of Mad Men. At other times we socialize amongst ourselves, without kids around, which is also the way things were done before 1960 or so -- children are (and were) removed from the scene where "adult" activities are occurring.



I know many my age who are still married on their first marriage...but growing up in redneckville and with the advent of Facebook, I know several who are divorced.

I think the reason for the wholesome parties is for a couple of reasons.  For one, most of our parents, regardless of their social standing, taught us manners - always greet your guests and walk them out when they leave, always make them feel welcome and comfortable in your home, always provide plenty to eat and drink, make sure everyone is having a good time and no one is left out, etc.

I don't know if socializing among ourselves with no kids around is necessarily a pre-60s kind of thing.  Maybe it's just that I'm from the South or that our parents remember the pre-60s too well, but I remember how in the cool late summer and early fall evenings near dusk how parents would hang out in front of their houses and go BS with each other.  People don't do that any more.  The last time hung out in the yard and BSes with the neighbors for hours on end was when hurricane Ike knocked out power for a few days - and of course we loved it because of how we were raised.  And I think it is said that people do not socialize like that any longer.  I think it is partly because we're so busy now but it's also because people seem to be unable to talk without trying to one-up each other in some subtle way....then there's entertainment politics...ug.
 
2013-10-02 02:46:41 PM

Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.


My dad was from the "silent" generation and my mother was a boomer.  My dad swore that we wouldn't grow up in the same environment as he did, as a guttersnipe in Chicago with everyone in the family either working 3 jobs or dying of TB.

Meanwhile, my mom swore that we wouldn't grow up with the same kind of parents that she had.  Sure there was less divorce back then, but this meant that awful domestic situations would persist.

They were certainly hands-off as parents, and that seems to be a common experience among Gen-Xers.  It was common for parents to have no idea what you were doing at school, unless they had to drive you somewhere.  But, I don't consider this to be bad parenting; kids should be left alone enough to experience childhood, rather than walked through it like some kind of package tour.
 
2013-10-02 02:47:36 PM
Whatever, man. Don't try to pin some stupid "label" on me.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:01 PM

Wadded Beef: eats millenial duckface selfies.


That ain't no shiat!
 
2013-10-02 02:57:51 PM

UberDave: Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were. None are divorced. All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did. Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are so farking wholesome and conventional that they seem like something from the set of Season 1 of Mad Men. At other times we socialize amongst ourselves, without kids around, which is also the way things were done before 1960 or so -- children are (and were) removed from the scene where "adult" activities are occurring.


I know many my age who are still married on their first marriage...but growing up in redneckville and with the advent of Facebook, I know several who are divorced.

I think the reason for the wholesome parties is for a couple of reasons.  For one, most of our parents, regardless of their social standing, taught us manners - always greet your guests and walk them out when they leave, always make them feel welcome and comfortable in your home, always provide plenty to eat and drink, make sure everyone is having a good time and no one is left out, etc.

I don't know if socializing among ourselves with no kids around is necessarily a pre-60s kind of thing.  Maybe it's just that I'm from the South or that our parents remember the pre-60s too well, but I remember how in the cool late summer and early fall evenings near dusk how parents would hang out in front of their houses and go BS with each other.  People don't do that any more.  The last time hung out in the yard and BSes with the neighbors for hours on end was when hurricane Ike knocked out power for a few days - and of course we loved it because of how we were raised.  And I think it is said that people do not socialize like that any longer.  I think it is partly because we're so busy now but it's also because people seem to be unable ...


Two reasons: people are cliquish and dickish.

Cliquish: Being a transplant in the Midwest, I see this a lot. I didn't notice it where I grew up, because I was from there and knew most everyone, or knew their cousin. But if you go to some Midwestern city and aren't extremely extroverted, prepare to be ignored, flaked out on, or bullsh*tted to death with, "Oh yeah, we totally need to hang out!" from tons of people who have only associated with the same 10 or so friends they've known since high school or college. And if you don't have kids and are over 27? Yeah you're basically a pariah to everyone younger and older than you.

Dickish: Anyone who says they "don't go" to certain sections of town and claim it's because of traffic, but what they really mean is the area is a) poorer than their neighborhood, b) has black people or hispanics living there, or c) both.

Omaha, NE is a superb example of the cliquish/dickish dynamic.
 
2013-10-02 03:00:27 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: ably because GenXers are starting to hit "midlife crisis" age now (30s-early 50s) and are beginning to panic as they realize that they are no longer the young, hip, "it" generation in popular culture anymore.

/born in the late 80s
//why can't we all just get along and hate on the boomers together?


Actually no, we really are the meh generation. We just don't care one way or the other.
 
2013-10-02 03:00:48 PM
My only gripe as an X-er is that you youngins can't possibly understand that none of the hair metal was consumed ironically in its time.  People really meant it - I mean why can't life be just like Kix' "Cool Kids" video?
 
2013-10-02 03:05:28 PM

Slaves2Darkness: ???? Don't know about you buddy, but I graduated college into a recession, took a beating in the internet dot bomb bust, and I am taking another beating economically now.


You mean the recession that lasted all the way from 1990 to 1991?

I'm sorry, but if you graduated college in the 1990s with an IT degree, you can't act like you had it tough.  That was probably the best decade, money-wise and career-wise, to be a young adult with any amount of computer skills or even technical writing skills.
 
2013-10-02 03:10:31 PM

jso2897: wyltoknow: Nothing like condensing a wide range of social, economic, religious, and cultural values into a simplistic "hurrr you were born during an arbitrary timeperiod so you dumb" mess.

Human beings love granfalloons.


I haven't looked at your profile lately, you're not a Hoosier are you?
/i need to read that again
 
2013-10-02 03:18:03 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


were you a teenager in the 80`s? If you were then you are Gen X. You can`t be the kid of a punk (1978 or so) and also Gen X. You could though be a punk and also be Gen X.

That`s pretty much it. We are the kids of the hippies that made punk and spawned the millenials.

Not that great in the scheme of things.
 
2013-10-02 03:19:33 PM
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1980s = BEST 80s!
 
2013-10-02 03:20:03 PM

Xcott: Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.

My dad was from the "silent" generation and my mother was a boomer.  My dad swore that we wouldn't grow up in the same environment as he did, as a guttersnipe in Chicago with everyone in the family either working 3 jobs or dying of TB.

Meanwhile, my mom swore that we wouldn't grow up with the same kind of parents that she had.  Sure there was less divorce back then, but this meant that awful domestic situations would persist.

They were certainly hands-off as parents, and that seems to be a common experience among Gen-Xers.  It was common for parents to have no idea what you were doing at school, unless they had to drive you somewhere.  But, I don't consider this to be bad parenting; kids should be left alone enough to experience childhood, rather than walked through it like some kind of package tour.



It's a characteristic of Gen X that we are self-sufficient.  We were the generation that was nearly eradicated because of the Pill -- the U.S. experienced a nadir in its birth rate around 1970 or so.  Our schools were consolidated as the number of kids per class dropped too low to keep schools open.

The divorce rate was skyrocketing throughout the 1970s as we were growing up, and the No Fault divorce reforms were making all of that possible, especially for middle-class families that had never experienced that level of familial dislocation.  A lot of Boomers didn't even get married, or they divorced and then shacked up with the next partner and eschewed marriage altogether.  Among the people I know, there was a sort of revival of conventional marriage ceremonies, which were way out of fashion for a long time in the 80s and 90s.

Our generation also saw the wheels finally came off the bus in terms of economic decline, rapidly-increasing violent crime, and a vast expansion of middle-class drug use, culminating in the 1970s energy crisis, which really put the nail int the coffin of middle-class American economic opportunity.

Now that we're all middle-aged and have (a small number of) kids of our own, parenting is much more involved.  The wholesomeness factor is certainly weird, since when we're around kids, the theme seems to be creating a kind of synthetic Americana bubble -- Disneyworld and pool parties and cookouts and Boy Scout Jamborees.  It's sort of an unspoken rule that we're all supposed to protect children in ways we weren't protected -- no open access to the Internet or TV, no mention of drugs or alcohol, and no arguments in front of them.  I've had more than one acquaintance say something like, "I'm going to give my kids a real childhood if I have to sew the costumes for the school play myself."
 
2013-10-02 03:24:39 PM
My will to join in with the charade was eradicated in the recession of the late 80`s. Inbetween we were shown that pensions were a foolish thing to invest in, careers became meaningless and then banks decided to implode starting the whole thing back with another recession worse than the previous one.

Myself I sidestepped all of the crap, avoided the rat race, and now do not need to get my food from a food bank, I don`t need to collect coupons and also don`t need to work more than about a day a week.I spend my summers at festivals and last winter was in thailand. This winter might be mexico or chile maybe.
 
2013-10-02 03:26:36 PM

Phinn: I've had more than one acquaintance say something like, "I'm going to give my kids a real childhood if I have to sew the costumes for the school play myself."


And that is how we spawn millenials...
 
2013-10-02 03:43:48 PM

Khellendros: Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)

Again, it depends on the source you're using.  You're using the event split that's common to a lot of pop culture, not the demographic split used in most literature on the subject.  It depends ENTIRELY on the research source you're looking at, and there is no authority on it.  It's flexible, and for good reason.


You idiot, I just TOLD you. I AM the authority on it. Why did you even respond? F*cking boomers are all alike.
 
2013-10-02 03:45:38 PM

Phinn: UberDave: redmid17: UberDave: Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.

Did I miss something then? Because that seemed like 75% of the article to me. Yeah he went on about why that affected the Gen X outlook, but it was still a "back when i was a youngin"

I guess to clarify...the vast majority of Gen X vs Millennials/everyone after Gen X, are more like "this is how it was back in our day - you're a whiny biatch".  This was more "this is the way it was for us which is why we are the way we are now"...that's way better than your typical article about how the younger generations suck.

It has to do with the typical, large-scale, common experiences that most members of each generation has when they're children.

Gen Xers were born after Kennedy had been assassinated, and America's general attitude was far from positive.  Johnson was so bad as President that he didn't even run for office again, then Nixon came and the media hated him with a purple passion (even though he was certainly no conservative), and then he resigned in the biggest political scandal of the century, leaving a president with no real political support and thus got very little done.  In the meantime, the economy turned to absolute crap, and some of the main features of the Boomer ethos turned out to cause huge social problems -- no-fault divorce, the Pill, and rampant middle class drug use.

The kids who were born or were young children during the late 1960s and early 1970s did not have the same childhood experiences as people who were born in 1985.

I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.  None are divorced.  All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did.  Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are ...


Born the same year, having a similar experience as a parent. Well said.
 
2013-10-02 03:49:14 PM

dready zim: My will to join in with the charade was eradicated in the recession of the late 80`s. Inbetween we were shown that pensions were a foolish thing to invest in, careers became meaningless and then banks decided to implode starting the whole thing back with another recession worse than the previous one.

Myself I sidestepped all of the crap, avoided the rat race, and now do not need to get my food from a food bank, I don`t need to collect coupons and also don`t need to work more than about a day a week.I spend my summers at festivals and last winter was in thailand. This winter might be mexico or chile maybe.


Drug dealer or gigolo?
 
2013-10-02 03:52:34 PM
How people think we dressed in the 1980s:
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How we actually dressed in the 1980s:
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