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2013-10-02 11:58:44 AM
We've always been the coolest
 
2013-10-02 12:00:24 PM
and why didn't daddy love me?

'Cause he was too busy loving the pool boy...
 
2013-10-02 12:01:22 PM

doubled99: We've always been the coolest


You sound old.
 
2013-10-02 12:02:20 PM

doubled99: We've always been the coolest


I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.

/ Even though now I teach school
 
2013-10-02 12:02:51 PM
Nothing like condensing a wide range of social, economic, religious, and cultural values into a simplistic "hurrr you were born during an arbitrary timeperiod so you dumb" mess.
 
2013-10-02 12:03:32 PM
Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.
 
2013-10-02 12:04:02 PM

doubled99: We've always been the coolest


Duh!
 
2013-10-02 12:05:20 PM
meh
 
2013-10-02 12:05:28 PM
The Millennials are not going to take this one well.  Much butthurt will be shared on this thread I do predict...
 
2013-10-02 12:05:55 PM
Is this article supposed to make me feel differently about Gen Xers? Because it sure doesn't.
 
2013-10-02 12:06:24 PM
Dude, are you being sarcastic?

I don't even know anymore.
 
2013-10-02 12:08:01 PM

doubled99: We've always been the coolest


Damn straight!

www.liketotally80s.com
(hot)
 
2013-10-02 12:08:12 PM
The defining anthem of our generation finishes with the phrase that speaks to all of us:

"Oh, well. Whatever. Nevermind."
 
2013-10-02 12:08:36 PM

doubled99: We've always been the coolest


Done in one.
 
2013-10-02 12:09:55 PM
What.

Ever.
 
2013-10-02 12:10:55 PM
la generation perdue
All that follow are derivative
 
2013-10-02 12:11:43 PM

doubled99: We've always been the coolest


Yep.
 
2013-10-02 12:12:16 PM
Millenials listen to their IPods like this: *wiggles arms*

But Gen-Xer's listen to their IPods like this: *puts hands on hips and shakes butt*

Boomer says: "Hey guys, what's that gizmo you got there?"

OMG, guys, what fun we're having!
 
2013-10-02 12:13:00 PM

baconbeard: doubled99: We've always been the coolest

Damn straight!

[www.liketotally80s.com image 192x237]
(hot)


Beats millenial duckface selfies.
 
2013-10-02 12:13:35 PM
Are we sure this isn't a repeat from the 80s?

Boomers are the awesomest and toughest and way better than than those self-absorbed Gen-xers and why didn't daddy love me?
 
2013-10-02 12:13:41 PM
Oh boy! Two of my favorite clickbaiting elements in one blogpost!

"My generation is tougher and better than your generation"

AND

"A numbered list"

It doesn't matter if the content is nothing but illogical bullshiat...you clicked on it!

WIN!
 
2013-10-02 12:14:07 PM
my date of birth is better than yours

/eyeroll
 
2013-10-02 12:15:15 PM
Millennial butthurt millennial butthurt millennial butthurt.

/millennial butthurt
 
2013-10-02 12:16:58 PM

SheltemDragon: doubled99: We've always been the coolest

I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.

/ Even though now I teach school


My childhood.

At least I had my C64 and Ducktales to keep me occupied until my parents came home at 6pm and fed me some sort of shiatty pasta bake.

My wife is a "Y" and she doesn't understand the total apathy I have for my parents. I tried to explain to her that they raised me that way, but she still doesn't get it.

Also, anyone else think that their parents are kind of stupid? I don't mean in the "low IQ" sort of way, but if you look at the things they obsess about and how they've let it totally dominate their lives, you just shake your head and go, "What da fuq?"

I dunno, maybe I'm just being hard on them because I ran out of farks to give when I was 12. Meh indeed.
 
2013-10-02 12:17:13 PM
Man, Gen 13 was WAAAAY better. Caitlin was a hottie!
 
2013-10-02 12:18:12 PM
1. We Like Work

That's kind of funny, because at the time it was all "These damn kids think they can make ends meat just playing in their garage band for a few hours a day and hanging out on the couch watching Beavis and Butthead!" But yeah, it turns out the majority of us were showing up to work every day, getting our college degrees to end up with some kind of functional career, and just generally growing up and turning into semi-responsible adults.

I wonder if that's how it will turn out with the "Millennials", despite the popular perception that all they care about is posting pictures of themselves on Facebook or blogging for some pageviews? .....Nah, seriously, they're the worst.
 
2013-10-02 12:18:24 PM
Just to get this out of the way and I am surprised that it hasn't been used yet but for the young'ins.. "THIS IS THE Worst Thread EVAR!!!!"  EVAR!!
 
2013-10-02 12:18:27 PM

Wadded Beef: baconbeard: doubled99: We've always been the coolest

Damn straight!

[www.liketotally80s.com image 192x237]
(hot)

Beats millenial duckface selfies.


d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2013-10-02 12:19:41 PM

jayhawk88: 1. We Like Work

That's kind of funny, because at the time it was all "These damn kids think they can make ends meat just playing in their garage band for a few hours a day and hanging out on the couch watching Beavis and Butthead!" But yeah, it turns out the majority of us were showing up to work every day, getting our college degrees to end up with some kind of functional career, and just generally growing up and turning into semi-responsible adults.

I wonder if that's how it will turn out with the "Millennials", despite the popular perception that all they care about is posting pictures of themselves on Facebook or blogging for some pageviews? .....Nah, seriously, they're the worst.


Gotta divide so you can conquer.
 
2013-10-02 12:19:49 PM
What is going on lately with these Gen X vs. Millenials articles.  It started a few weeks ago with the one article stating that Millenials weren't special snowflakes and escalated from there.

This one makes some good points in terms of our perspective on things and WHY we have those perspectives.
 
2013-10-02 12:20:42 PM
So this article was basically the literary equivalent to masturbation for the writer?

/way to much self lovin' going on
 
2013-10-02 12:22:49 PM

SheltemDragon: I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.


Are you serious about this (at least a little)?  Because I've thought the generations after mine were the first ones to be truly monitored and shackled.  Like the parents never wanted the kids to fly off with middle finger extended and raise some hell while they can get away with it.  When I was a teen the policy was "don't get caught and try not to be an ass".  We waited a little bit to have kids but I have two that are about ready to leave the house and I'm known as the "dangerous dad".  Don't let your kids play with his kids.  They might end up bicycling to a river and swim in water that isn't chlorinated.  Plus they would be unsupervised and a 17 year old needs constant surveillance apparantly.
 
2013-10-02 12:25:04 PM

UberDave: Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.


Did I miss something then? Because that seemed like 75% of the article to me. Yeah he went on about why that affected the Gen X outlook, but it was still a "back when i was a youngin"
 
2013-10-02 12:25:06 PM
 
2013-10-02 12:25:09 PM
As a GenXer, I do not accept her loser mentality.  I also know I can find just as many losers looking for handouts from my generation as I can in the other 2 generations mentioned.
 
2013-10-02 12:25:24 PM

TwistedFark: Also, anyone else think that their parents are kind of stupid? I don't mean in the "low IQ" sort of way, but if you look at the things they obsess about and how they've let it totally dominate their lives, you just shake your head and go, "What da fuq?"


Couldn't agree more. Now, if you'll excuse me, there's been a report that someone in Burbank has unearthed a copy of the ultlra-rare "Rude Removal" episode of Dexter's Lab that contains an extra 14 seconds of swearing, I'm pricing flights on Priceline to go check it out for myself.
 
2013-10-02 12:26:44 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-10-02 12:27:24 PM

ImmaHoopyFrood: SheltemDragon: I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.

Are you serious about this (at least a little)?  Because I've thought the generations after mine were the first ones to be truly monitored and shackled.  Like the parents never wanted the kids to fly off with middle finger extended and raise some hell while they can get away with it.  When I was a teen the policy was "don't get caught and try not to be an ass".  We waited a little bit to have kids but I have two that are about ready to leave the house and I'm known as the "dangerous dad".  Don't let your kids play with his kids.  They might end up bicycling to a river and swim in water that isn't chlorinated.  Plus they would be unsupervised and a 17 year old needs constant surveillance apparantly.


Parenting. You're doing it right
/dangerous dad
//fark snowflakism
 
2013-10-02 12:28:28 PM
Withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy.
 
2013-10-02 12:30:12 PM

jpo2269: The Millennials are not going to take this one well.  Much butthurt will be shared on this thread I do predict...


I'll bite.

I notice that a large number of Gen X-ers who post about generational differences are just as self-absorbed as they allege the Millennials to be; they just lack the self awareness to recognize it.

For example:  "I'm part of the best generation!  It sucks to be stuck between these two inferior, sucky generations.  Ugh.  I wish they could be as un-self-absorbed as I AM.  Whatever; look at the cool way I can say "meh."  See how I can affect such a cool demeanor by the way I relax my face just perfectly when I say it?  No, not like that.  You'll never be able to say "meh" like someone of MY generation.   Look at me and how much I don't care!!!"

/friends with a lot of great Gen X-ers
 
2013-10-02 12:30:38 PM
Generation Mehx
 
2013-10-02 12:34:12 PM
What an empty, vacuous pile of tripe.
 
2013-10-02 12:34:47 PM

UberDave: Surprisingly good article.

<-- What he said.
 
2013-10-02 12:39:00 PM
a flock of birds

Self reliant is not the same as "self absorbed,' it's just "different."
 
2013-10-02 12:39:34 PM
It's like humanity has changed, fundamentally.

You're telling me that a generation near retirement is upset with a generation that is coming into young adulthood?  That's never happened in human history.  I'll bet they even have a list of things they ascribe specifically to that young generation - probably something like lazy, apathetic, disconnected from reality, and moving too fast.  Oh, and self-absorbed and selfish.  And I bet that awful set of young whippersnappers has a lot to say about their elders - disconnected from modern reality, self-righteous, self-absorbed, and unwilling to hand the reins over to the new capable set of innovators.

Jesus, stop the farking presses.  It's like everyone is taking crazy pills.  This isn't exactly like every generational relationship in human history.
 
2013-10-02 12:39:36 PM
Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...
 
2013-10-02 12:42:27 PM
I guess millenials would like work too if they could spend the money they earned on stuff they liked rather than paying off the mortgage they took out to go to school.
 
2013-10-02 12:42:30 PM

jpo2269: a flock of birds

Self reliant is not the same as "self absorbed,' it's just "different."


Example (Continued):  "Also, look at how self-reliant I am!  Isn't that rad!  I don't need others, just ME!  Me me me me me me me me me..."

/just havin' a larf
 
2013-10-02 12:43:31 PM

slayer199: What is going on lately with these Gen X vs. Millenials articles.  It started a few weeks ago with the one article stating that Millenials weren't special snowflakes and escalated from there.

This one makes some good points in terms of our perspective on things and WHY we have those perspectives.


Probably because GenXers are starting to hit "midlife crisis" age now (30s-early 50s) and are beginning to panic as they realize that they are no longer the young, hip, "it" generation in popular culture anymore.

/born in the late 80s
//why can't we all just get along and hate on the boomers together?
 
2013-10-02 12:44:22 PM

ltdanman44: [img.fark.net image 850x600]


Millenial here, but I have fond memories of a 3rd-grade game we played on a hill called the "Danger 5000", which consisted of us taking turns attempting the most spectacular big-wheel wipe-out, with those awaiting their turn giving out point scores. Extra points for flinging yourself/the big-wheel into the giant oak at the bottom of the hill.

/then down to the creek to look for turtles
 
2013-10-02 12:44:30 PM
Getting a kick because were were just arguing about generational differences in a politics shutdown thread.

Gen X was the awesomest generation because we had an extraordinary economic advantage.  The Internet was catching fire just as we were graduating from college, and simply "knowing computers" was a huge leg up in the job market.  The fledgling information economy made just about any academic skill, from writing to graphic design, worth more money.  You could get a decent job just because you knew HTML.

On top of that, the whole economy was booming large, and college tuition hadn't yet exploded to correct for the huge economic advantage that it conferred.  Internships were paid, and paid well enought to tempt you to quit school.

Meanwhile, millennials are mocked for being self-centered with unreasonable expectations.  Where did they get those expectations from?  Where did they get the idea that they should get a decent job just because they knew how to use Twitter?  They got that idea because Gen X honestly enjoyed that level of privilege.

But then there's the dark side:  Gen X is also the generation that had no particular reason to grow up---we've always had it pretty good---and so we've never really committed to adulthood.  This is why the government is shut down:  the Altzheimer's generation is running things based on scary mass mailings, and instead of stepping in to run their affairs we're too busy arguing about comic books and taking animated cartoons far too seriously.
 
2013-10-02 12:45:41 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


No.  It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study.  Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942  (generally agreed to end  in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002
 
2013-10-02 12:45:47 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...



Gen X is anyone born after the moment Kennedy was shot, to the moment Reagan was elected.

And not a second earlier or later.
 
2013-10-02 12:55:04 PM
As an Xer, meh. Author talks to much about himself and his shiatty upbringing. Guess what asshole that was almost 40 years ago and if you are still talking about your childhood, your mommy and daddy issues, how great or lame it was then you are still a child.
 
2013-10-02 12:55:33 PM

TwistedFark: SheltemDragon: doubled99: We've always been the coolest

I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.

/ Even though now I teach school

My childhood.

At least I had my C64 and Ducktales to keep me occupied until my parents came home at 6pm and fed me some sort of shiatty pasta bake.

My wife is a "Y" and she doesn't understand the total apathy I have for my parents. I tried to explain to her that they raised me that way, but she still doesn't get it.

Also, anyone else think that their parents are kind of stupid? I don't mean in the "low IQ" sort of way, but if you look at the things they obsess about and how they've let it totally dominate their lives, you just shake your head and go, "What da fuq?"

I dunno, maybe I'm just being hard on them because I ran out of farks to give when I was 12. Meh indeed.


Gen Xers are the Middle Children of the generation siblings. Being a middle child and a gen-xer technically I shouldn't even respond, but I did like the line of "I never got an award because I didn't deserve one." The day they started introducing participation awards and checkpoints to video games, I knew we were going to raise a different type of person.

Even the introduction of the pause button on the NES was kind of a cheat in our eyes. It was for pee breaks but also turned into a way to catch the last moment of your character living.  Your hero is paused above the pit and not going to make it. You watch as he's frozen in the digital version of a vegetative coma. Do you unpause to get it over with? Do you keep it paused trying to think of a solution to still survive? There is no surviving solution.

/unpause and start over
 
2013-10-02 12:58:26 PM

Khellendros: It's like humanity has changed, fundamentally.

You're telling me that a generation near retirement is upset with a generation that is coming into young adulthood?  That's never happened in human history.  I'll bet they even have a list of things they ascribe specifically to that young generation - probably something like lazy, apathetic, disconnected from reality, and moving too fast.  Oh, and self-absorbed and selfish.  And I bet that awful set of young whippersnappers has a lot to say about their elders - disconnected from modern reality, self-righteous, self-absorbed, and unwilling to hand the reins over to the new capable set of innovators.

Jesus, stop the farking presses.  It's like everyone is taking crazy pills.  This isn't exactly like every generational relationship in human history.


Exactly, besides as someone who leads teams of Mellinials all the time they are awesome. Enthusiastic, hard working, and if you can lead or just give them some guidance they can get dam near any job done.
 
2013-10-02 12:58:34 PM
When you're 8 and Evel Knievel is in his prime, well it just doesn't get any better.
 
2013-10-02 12:59:50 PM
We wouln't have strippers and porn if we didn't have a few shiatty parents on the earth.
 
2013-10-02 12:59:59 PM

Xcott: Getting a kick because were were just arguing about generational differences in a politics shutdown thread.

Gen X was the awesomest generation because we had an extraordinary economic advantage.  The Internet was catching fire just as we were graduating from college, and simply "knowing computers" was a huge leg up in the job market.  The fledgling information economy made just about any academic skill, from writing to graphic design, worth more money.  You could get a decent job just because you knew HTML.

On top of that, the whole economy was booming large, and college tuition hadn't yet exploded to correct for the huge economic advantage that it conferred.  Internships were paid, and paid well enought to tempt you to quit school.

Meanwhile, millennials are mocked for being self-centered with unreasonable expectations.  Where did they get those expectations from?  Where did they get the idea that they should get a decent job just because they knew how to use Twitter?  They got that idea because Gen X honestly enjoyed that level of privilege.

But then there's the dark side:  Gen X is also the generation that had no particular reason to grow up---we've always had it pretty good---and so we've never really committed to adulthood.  This is why the government is shut down:  the Altzheimer's generation is running things based on scary mass mailings, and instead of stepping in to run their affairs we're too busy arguing about comic books and taking animated cartoons far too seriously.


???? Don't know about you buddy, but I graduated college into a recession, took a beating in the internet dot bomb bust, and I am taking another beating economically now.
 
2013-10-02 01:00:46 PM

Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002


Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)
 
2013-10-02 01:04:07 PM
I have nothing to add, so here is Twerking Pudding.

img.fark.net

/I weep for the future.
 
2013-10-02 01:11:29 PM

free_xenu: When you're 8 and Evel Knievel is in his prime, well it just doesn't get any better.


I met him when I was about 3 or 4 (don't remember it). He was at a local hospital visiting kids, and I happened to live across the street. My mom said she looked out side and my best friend and I were talking to some guy in a car. She came outside to check on us, make sure we weren't getting abducted, guy in the car was Evel Knievel.

/csb

Damn I wish I remembered that happening.
 
2013-10-02 01:17:37 PM

Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)



There's another group at the very end of the Boomers -- born before Gen X, but not really part of the Boomer ethos.  They were born from about 1958 or 1959 or so, and up through the JFK assassination.

It's Generation Jones.

They are, by and large, the very worst specimens of humanity ever created.  They have all of the Boomer problems (excessive self-importance and a retarded sense of crusader idealism), but it's contaminated with the worst aspects of GenX -- cynicism, but a type that hasn't quite gelled into the unique Gen-X quality of ironic, unserious observational pessimism that comes from the Gen X experience as a latchkey child of divorce and a total lack of role models.

Generation Jones grew up at the very pinnacle of recreational drug use and sexual "liberation," after they had already been co-opted and commodified, and thus did not experience the same End of the Party sensation that Gen X had, who had no sexual liberation because of all the Boomers' sexually transmitted diseases, and had no fun with recreational drugs because things switched from marijuana in the dorm room, to cocaine and jail time and rehab.

As a result, members of Generation Jones are all sociopaths.  No one likes them -- not the Boomers whom they superficially emulate with their annoying phony-idealistic crap, and not the Gen Xers who see right through their complete lack of genuine personality.  They should all be murdered.
 
2013-10-02 01:22:24 PM
Well, back in MY day...

/Gen-Xer
//At least our music was better
 
2013-10-02 01:23:18 PM
Modified Cornstarch:
Even the introduction of the pause button on the NES was kind of a cheat in our eyes. It was for pee breaks but also turned into a way to catch the last moment of your character living.  Your hero is paused above the pit and not going to make it. You watch as he's frozen in the digital version of a vegetative coma. Do you unpause to get it over with? Do you keep it paused trying to think of a solution to still survive? There is no surviving solution.

/unpause and start over


My older brother once figured out a third option: pausing the game just before the character fell in a pit, handing me the controller for my turn, and then, as I unpaused, claiming that I just died and taking the controller back.

(That was actually a joke, but since I was about seven, boy was I pissed for a moment.)
 
2013-10-02 01:24:28 PM
flock,

you sound obsessed.
 
2013-10-02 01:25:32 PM

Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)


Again, it depends on the source you're using.  You're using the event split that's common to a lot of pop culture, not the demographic split used in most literature on the subject.  It depends ENTIRELY on the research source you're looking at, and there is no authority on it.  It's flexible, and for good reason.
 
2013-10-02 01:28:43 PM
jpo,

for countering your counterpoint?
OK...

Meh.
 
2013-10-02 01:32:40 PM
This article makes me want to find my Docs, tuck some threadbare Duck Head khakis into them and top it off with a concert t-shirt wrapped in flannel.

I'm not even supposed to be here today!
 
2013-10-02 01:33:31 PM

redmid17: UberDave: Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.

Did I miss something then? Because that seemed like 75% of the article to me. Yeah he went on about why that affected the Gen X outlook, but it was still a "back when i was a youngin"


I guess to clarify...the vast majority of Gen X vs Millennials/everyone after Gen X, are more like "this is how it was back in our day - you're a whiny biatch".  This was more "this is the way it was for us which is why we are the way we are now"...that's way better than your typical article about how the younger generations suck.
 
2013-10-02 01:36:40 PM
the_vegetarian_cannibal:

/born in the late 80s
//why can't we all just get along and hate on the boomers together?


You may be on to something...  These articles are nothing but a diversionary tactic...the REAL problem is the Boomer Generation.  Fark those guys.
 
2013-10-02 01:37:51 PM

wyltoknow: Nothing like condensing a wide range of social, economic, religious, and cultural values into a simplistic "hurrr you were born during an arbitrary timeperiod so you dumb" mess.


Human beings love granfalloons.
 
2013-10-02 01:51:07 PM

UberDave: redmid17: UberDave: Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.

Did I miss something then? Because that seemed like 75% of the article to me. Yeah he went on about why that affected the Gen X outlook, but it was still a "back when i was a youngin"

I guess to clarify...the vast majority of Gen X vs Millennials/everyone after Gen X, are more like "this is how it was back in our day - you're a whiny biatch".  This was more "this is the way it was for us which is why we are the way we are now"...that's way better than your typical article about how the younger generations suck.



It has to do with the typical, large-scale, common experiences that most members of each generation has when they're children.

Gen Xers were born after Kennedy had been assassinated, and America's general attitude was far from positive.  Johnson was so bad as President that he didn't even run for office again, then Nixon came and the media hated him with a purple passion (even though he was certainly no conservative), and then he resigned in the biggest political scandal of the century, leaving a president with no real political support and thus got very little done.  In the meantime, the economy turned to absolute crap, and some of the main features of the Boomer ethos turned out to cause huge social problems -- no-fault divorce, the Pill, and rampant middle class drug use.

The kids who were born or were young children during the late 1960s and early 1970s did not have the same childhood experiences as people who were born in 1985.

I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.  None are divorced.  All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did.  Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are so farking wholesome and conventional that they seem like something from the set of Season 1 of Mad Men.  At other times we socialize amongst ourselves, without kids around, which is also the way things were done before 1960 or so -- children are (and were) removed from the scene where "adult" activities are occurring.

Among middle-aged Gen Xers, there's not a single element of hippy/Beatles/Back to the Land or any other feature of the 1960s counterculture, that I can see, although a lot of those features were adopted wholesale by the Boomers' Millennial children.  For example, the entire Occupy Movement was one big attempt to re-create their parents' 1960s revolutionary spirit, but it just turned out to be a sad fizzle.  No Gen Xer would have organized something like that.
 
2013-10-02 01:54:22 PM
As far as I can tell, according to the way that the author describes things, there's a reason I'm married to a Gen Xer and not a fellow Millenial - we have a lot more in common. Though I preferred indoor activities to outdoor, buried myself in schoolwork around age 11, and my dad was always there for me, while my mom worked and took stress out on us. But whatever, the label doesn't matter that much, if you ask me. As for wanting to have a dream job and wanting to be famous, I wanted fame for about a year as an elementary schooler, but I wanted to be a famous meteorologist. Took me a while to realize that didn't work so well and went with just a normal meteorologist, but hopefully a skilled one. Threw out the handful of participation awards I got, too. I wanted to win and/or be the best, not a reminder that I had fallen short.

Gen Xers probably have way less student debt than me, though. *sigh* All I want is a job I don't hate that pays me on time (a skill my university seems to lack, to the point where I'm contemplating moving on before getting my MS because of it), well enough to just cover my needs, and my friends are all the same way. *shrug* I'm probably missing the point somewhere, it seems I almost always am.
 
2013-10-02 02:07:01 PM

Phinn: Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: ...

There's another group at the very end of the Boomers -- born before Gen X, but not really part of the Boomer ethos.  They were born from about 1958 or 1959 or so, and up through the JFK assassination.

It's Generation Jones.

They are, by and large, the very worst specimens of humanity ever created.  They have all of the Boomer problems (excessive self-importance and a retarded sense of crusader idealism), but it's contaminated with the worst aspects of GenX -- cynicism, but a type that hasn't quite gelled into the unique Gen-X quality of ironic, unserious observational pessimism that comes from the Gen X experience as a latchkey child of divorce and a total lack of role models.

Generation Jones grew up at the very pinnacle of recreational drug use and sexual "liberation," after they had already been co-opted and commodified, and thus did not experience the same End of the Party sensation that Gen X had, who had no sexual liberation because of all the Boomers' sexually transmitted diseases, and had no fun with recreational drugs because things switched from marijuana in the dorm room, to cocaine and jail time and rehab.

As a result, members of Generation Jones are all sociopaths.  No one likes them -- not the Boome ...


Thank you for this. You've explained why all my aunts and uncles younger than my parents are nutjobs that can't be invited to any family event.

/ Gen X-er
 
2013-10-02 02:08:46 PM

Khellendros: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

No.  It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study.  Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942  (generally agreed to end  in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002


'77 here, and I don't think I'm an Xer, and I'm definitely not a millenial, being gainfully employed and all.  We were the group that first had video games (Atari 2600 FTW) and VCRs, and first touchtone, then CORDLESS phones!  We had to suffer through calling girls houses and having their parents answer early in life, but also got the edge of bewbs on cell phones post-college.   A transitional group.
 
2013-10-02 02:14:39 PM
TwistedFark:

My wife is a "Y" and she doesn't understand the total apathy I have for my parents. I tried to explain to her that they raised me that way, but she still doesn't get it.

Also, anyone else think that their parents are kind of stupid? I don't mean in the "low IQ" sort of way, but if you look at the things they obsess about and how they've let it totally dominate their lives, you just shake your head and go, "What da fuq?"

I dunno, maybe I'm just being hard on them because I ran out of farks to give when I was 12. Meh indeed.


I was extremely lucky for a Gen-Xer (well, in some ways) and my parents were both born in '43 so they're kinda/sorta not Boomers. Granny passed on her Depression era thriftiness to mom, and despite escaping the family farm herself, she still introduced my mom to it so she passed on all sorts of useful things like cooking, gardening, canning, sewing, etc, plus lots of outdoor skills through Girl Scouts. I'd never call her interests stupid because they were actually useful, even the crafting stuff. However the unlucky part is that she passed when I was 15 so I feel like I lost out on a lot of knowledge.

Dad also definitely loves me, he just wasn't 'involved' because I wasn't a son, probably, but he was still around most of the time. He also got me exposed to computers at an early age, taught me to change my own oil, and gave me real tools for Christmas and let me mess around with them. Grateful for every year he hangs in there...
 
2013-10-02 02:17:06 PM
Us gen Xers have our slackers too.  To many (I think) of us, maybe most of us, they are not "disavantaged", and they were not given a poor shake.  They are simply "losers."    We have our appologists as well.

One criticism of the work ethic of Y is IMO partly to blame on the boomers.  When us Gen Xers were young adults it was the entrenched boomers doing their best to put every hurdle they could in front of children trying to get jobs while in school.  Us Xers were still powerless and ignored punks at the time.  In the 80s, if you want to buy some shiat, you went almost anywhere and got a minimum wage part-time job at 16 years old.  I started washing dishes for under minimum wage at 15.  By the time you graduated from high school you already had two years of work experience.  A decade later kids had to get permission slips or work permits or some such shiat.  And now we wonder that 19-year-olds come into a workplace and have no idea that they will need to focus on some job job task for 8 hours straight.    shiat, i'm late for a meeting@!  Ha!  Irreponsible Xer.....
 
2013-10-02 02:24:07 PM
I'm Generation X. People say we're apathetic but I don't care.
 
2013-10-02 02:33:00 PM

CruJones: Khellendros: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

No.  It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study.  Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942  (generally agreed to end  in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

'77 here, and I don't think I'm an Xer, and I'm definitely not a millenial, being gainfully employed and all.  We were the group that first had video games (Atari 2600 FTW) and VCRs, and first touchtone, then CORDLESS phones!  We had to suffer through calling girls houses and having their parents answer early in life, but also got the edge of bewbs on cell phones post-college.   A transitional group.


You're definitely a Gen Xer.
 
2013-10-02 02:33:39 PM
Oh, the ennui. The intellectual malaise.
 
2013-10-02 02:39:36 PM

L.D. Ablo: Well, back in MY day...

/Gen-Xer
//At least our music was better


I'm not going to make judgments on GenX' music versus the Boomers' or the Millennials'.  Though I will say that part of our angst came about because Top 40 stations turned to oldies.  Also, it seems strange to me that Millennials know exactly what the big...red...candy-like button is. 
 
Seriously, I teach mostly Millennials, and do not fear the possibility that I'll see their faces as I'm wheeled into an emergency room (except for the part about getting wheeled into an emergency room!)  The kids are alright, by many measures they are an improvement on my generation, and by the rest it's too early to judge.
 
2013-10-02 02:44:19 PM

Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were. None are divorced. All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did. Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are so farking wholesome and conventional that they seem like something from the set of Season 1 of Mad Men. At other times we socialize amongst ourselves, without kids around, which is also the way things were done before 1960 or so -- children are (and were) removed from the scene where "adult" activities are occurring.



I know many my age who are still married on their first marriage...but growing up in redneckville and with the advent of Facebook, I know several who are divorced.

I think the reason for the wholesome parties is for a couple of reasons.  For one, most of our parents, regardless of their social standing, taught us manners - always greet your guests and walk them out when they leave, always make them feel welcome and comfortable in your home, always provide plenty to eat and drink, make sure everyone is having a good time and no one is left out, etc.

I don't know if socializing among ourselves with no kids around is necessarily a pre-60s kind of thing.  Maybe it's just that I'm from the South or that our parents remember the pre-60s too well, but I remember how in the cool late summer and early fall evenings near dusk how parents would hang out in front of their houses and go BS with each other.  People don't do that any more.  The last time hung out in the yard and BSes with the neighbors for hours on end was when hurricane Ike knocked out power for a few days - and of course we loved it because of how we were raised.  And I think it is said that people do not socialize like that any longer.  I think it is partly because we're so busy now but it's also because people seem to be unable to talk without trying to one-up each other in some subtle way....then there's entertainment politics...ug.
 
2013-10-02 02:46:41 PM

Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.


My dad was from the "silent" generation and my mother was a boomer.  My dad swore that we wouldn't grow up in the same environment as he did, as a guttersnipe in Chicago with everyone in the family either working 3 jobs or dying of TB.

Meanwhile, my mom swore that we wouldn't grow up with the same kind of parents that she had.  Sure there was less divorce back then, but this meant that awful domestic situations would persist.

They were certainly hands-off as parents, and that seems to be a common experience among Gen-Xers.  It was common for parents to have no idea what you were doing at school, unless they had to drive you somewhere.  But, I don't consider this to be bad parenting; kids should be left alone enough to experience childhood, rather than walked through it like some kind of package tour.
 
2013-10-02 02:47:36 PM
Whatever, man. Don't try to pin some stupid "label" on me.
 
2013-10-02 02:54:01 PM

Wadded Beef: eats millenial duckface selfies.


That ain't no shiat!
 
2013-10-02 02:57:51 PM

UberDave: Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were. None are divorced. All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did. Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are so farking wholesome and conventional that they seem like something from the set of Season 1 of Mad Men. At other times we socialize amongst ourselves, without kids around, which is also the way things were done before 1960 or so -- children are (and were) removed from the scene where "adult" activities are occurring.


I know many my age who are still married on their first marriage...but growing up in redneckville and with the advent of Facebook, I know several who are divorced.

I think the reason for the wholesome parties is for a couple of reasons.  For one, most of our parents, regardless of their social standing, taught us manners - always greet your guests and walk them out when they leave, always make them feel welcome and comfortable in your home, always provide plenty to eat and drink, make sure everyone is having a good time and no one is left out, etc.

I don't know if socializing among ourselves with no kids around is necessarily a pre-60s kind of thing.  Maybe it's just that I'm from the South or that our parents remember the pre-60s too well, but I remember how in the cool late summer and early fall evenings near dusk how parents would hang out in front of their houses and go BS with each other.  People don't do that any more.  The last time hung out in the yard and BSes with the neighbors for hours on end was when hurricane Ike knocked out power for a few days - and of course we loved it because of how we were raised.  And I think it is said that people do not socialize like that any longer.  I think it is partly because we're so busy now but it's also because people seem to be unable ...


Two reasons: people are cliquish and dickish.

Cliquish: Being a transplant in the Midwest, I see this a lot. I didn't notice it where I grew up, because I was from there and knew most everyone, or knew their cousin. But if you go to some Midwestern city and aren't extremely extroverted, prepare to be ignored, flaked out on, or bullsh*tted to death with, "Oh yeah, we totally need to hang out!" from tons of people who have only associated with the same 10 or so friends they've known since high school or college. And if you don't have kids and are over 27? Yeah you're basically a pariah to everyone younger and older than you.

Dickish: Anyone who says they "don't go" to certain sections of town and claim it's because of traffic, but what they really mean is the area is a) poorer than their neighborhood, b) has black people or hispanics living there, or c) both.

Omaha, NE is a superb example of the cliquish/dickish dynamic.
 
2013-10-02 03:00:27 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: ably because GenXers are starting to hit "midlife crisis" age now (30s-early 50s) and are beginning to panic as they realize that they are no longer the young, hip, "it" generation in popular culture anymore.

/born in the late 80s
//why can't we all just get along and hate on the boomers together?


Actually no, we really are the meh generation. We just don't care one way or the other.
 
2013-10-02 03:00:48 PM
My only gripe as an X-er is that you youngins can't possibly understand that none of the hair metal was consumed ironically in its time.  People really meant it - I mean why can't life be just like Kix' "Cool Kids" video?
 
2013-10-02 03:05:28 PM

Slaves2Darkness: ???? Don't know about you buddy, but I graduated college into a recession, took a beating in the internet dot bomb bust, and I am taking another beating economically now.


You mean the recession that lasted all the way from 1990 to 1991?

I'm sorry, but if you graduated college in the 1990s with an IT degree, you can't act like you had it tough.  That was probably the best decade, money-wise and career-wise, to be a young adult with any amount of computer skills or even technical writing skills.
 
2013-10-02 03:10:31 PM

jso2897: wyltoknow: Nothing like condensing a wide range of social, economic, religious, and cultural values into a simplistic "hurrr you were born during an arbitrary timeperiod so you dumb" mess.

Human beings love granfalloons.


I haven't looked at your profile lately, you're not a Hoosier are you?
/i need to read that again
 
2013-10-02 03:18:03 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


were you a teenager in the 80`s? If you were then you are Gen X. You can`t be the kid of a punk (1978 or so) and also Gen X. You could though be a punk and also be Gen X.

That`s pretty much it. We are the kids of the hippies that made punk and spawned the millenials.

Not that great in the scheme of things.
 
2013-10-02 03:19:33 PM
fc02.deviantart.net

1980s = BEST 80s!
 
2013-10-02 03:20:03 PM

Xcott: Phinn: I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.

My dad was from the "silent" generation and my mother was a boomer.  My dad swore that we wouldn't grow up in the same environment as he did, as a guttersnipe in Chicago with everyone in the family either working 3 jobs or dying of TB.

Meanwhile, my mom swore that we wouldn't grow up with the same kind of parents that she had.  Sure there was less divorce back then, but this meant that awful domestic situations would persist.

They were certainly hands-off as parents, and that seems to be a common experience among Gen-Xers.  It was common for parents to have no idea what you were doing at school, unless they had to drive you somewhere.  But, I don't consider this to be bad parenting; kids should be left alone enough to experience childhood, rather than walked through it like some kind of package tour.



It's a characteristic of Gen X that we are self-sufficient.  We were the generation that was nearly eradicated because of the Pill -- the U.S. experienced a nadir in its birth rate around 1970 or so.  Our schools were consolidated as the number of kids per class dropped too low to keep schools open.

The divorce rate was skyrocketing throughout the 1970s as we were growing up, and the No Fault divorce reforms were making all of that possible, especially for middle-class families that had never experienced that level of familial dislocation.  A lot of Boomers didn't even get married, or they divorced and then shacked up with the next partner and eschewed marriage altogether.  Among the people I know, there was a sort of revival of conventional marriage ceremonies, which were way out of fashion for a long time in the 80s and 90s.

Our generation also saw the wheels finally came off the bus in terms of economic decline, rapidly-increasing violent crime, and a vast expansion of middle-class drug use, culminating in the 1970s energy crisis, which really put the nail int the coffin of middle-class American economic opportunity.

Now that we're all middle-aged and have (a small number of) kids of our own, parenting is much more involved.  The wholesomeness factor is certainly weird, since when we're around kids, the theme seems to be creating a kind of synthetic Americana bubble -- Disneyworld and pool parties and cookouts and Boy Scout Jamborees.  It's sort of an unspoken rule that we're all supposed to protect children in ways we weren't protected -- no open access to the Internet or TV, no mention of drugs or alcohol, and no arguments in front of them.  I've had more than one acquaintance say something like, "I'm going to give my kids a real childhood if I have to sew the costumes for the school play myself."
 
2013-10-02 03:24:39 PM
My will to join in with the charade was eradicated in the recession of the late 80`s. Inbetween we were shown that pensions were a foolish thing to invest in, careers became meaningless and then banks decided to implode starting the whole thing back with another recession worse than the previous one.

Myself I sidestepped all of the crap, avoided the rat race, and now do not need to get my food from a food bank, I don`t need to collect coupons and also don`t need to work more than about a day a week.I spend my summers at festivals and last winter was in thailand. This winter might be mexico or chile maybe.
 
2013-10-02 03:26:36 PM

Phinn: I've had more than one acquaintance say something like, "I'm going to give my kids a real childhood if I have to sew the costumes for the school play myself."


And that is how we spawn millenials...
 
2013-10-02 03:43:48 PM

Khellendros: Stephen_Falken: Khellendros: . It changes by source, plus or minus several years, and there's no such thing as a definitive source for this as the "definitions" were used and bent by authors and researchers to suit their areas of study. Roughly:

Silent - 1925 - 1942 (generally agreed to end in WWII)
Boomers - 1942 - 1964 (end WWII - Civil Rights era, ending flexible)
GenX - 1964 - 1980 (most flexible, up to 5 years on either side)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2002

Yours are ALL WRONG. Here are the correct ones:

Silent - 1923 - 1941 (stock market inflation to Pearl Harbor)
Boomers - 1941 - 1960 (Pearl Harbor to JFK inauguration)
GenX - 1960 - 1981 (JFK to Carter)
Millenials/Gen Y - 1981 - 2001 (Reagan to 9/11)
Gen Z - 2001 - 2020 (9/11 to US Revolution)

Again, it depends on the source you're using.  You're using the event split that's common to a lot of pop culture, not the demographic split used in most literature on the subject.  It depends ENTIRELY on the research source you're looking at, and there is no authority on it.  It's flexible, and for good reason.


You idiot, I just TOLD you. I AM the authority on it. Why did you even respond? F*cking boomers are all alike.
 
2013-10-02 03:45:38 PM

Phinn: UberDave: redmid17: UberDave: Surprisingly good article.  I was expecting a bunch of "here's how shiat was when I was young" but there's actually little of that.

Did I miss something then? Because that seemed like 75% of the article to me. Yeah he went on about why that affected the Gen X outlook, but it was still a "back when i was a youngin"

I guess to clarify...the vast majority of Gen X vs Millennials/everyone after Gen X, are more like "this is how it was back in our day - you're a whiny biatch".  This was more "this is the way it was for us which is why we are the way we are now"...that's way better than your typical article about how the younger generations suck.

It has to do with the typical, large-scale, common experiences that most members of each generation has when they're children.

Gen Xers were born after Kennedy had been assassinated, and America's general attitude was far from positive.  Johnson was so bad as President that he didn't even run for office again, then Nixon came and the media hated him with a purple passion (even though he was certainly no conservative), and then he resigned in the biggest political scandal of the century, leaving a president with no real political support and thus got very little done.  In the meantime, the economy turned to absolute crap, and some of the main features of the Boomer ethos turned out to cause huge social problems -- no-fault divorce, the Pill, and rampant middle class drug use.

The kids who were born or were young children during the late 1960s and early 1970s did not have the same childhood experiences as people who were born in 1985.

I was born in 1969, and literally everyone I know is a better parent than his/her own parents were.  None are divorced.  All have healthy kids who grew up in a more stable home, in a growing economy (until 2009 or so) than they did.  Culturally, Gen X has in some ways reverted to an almost pre-WWII kind of ethos, where we have social gatherings and parties that are ...


Born the same year, having a similar experience as a parent. Well said.
 
2013-10-02 03:49:14 PM

dready zim: My will to join in with the charade was eradicated in the recession of the late 80`s. Inbetween we were shown that pensions were a foolish thing to invest in, careers became meaningless and then banks decided to implode starting the whole thing back with another recession worse than the previous one.

Myself I sidestepped all of the crap, avoided the rat race, and now do not need to get my food from a food bank, I don`t need to collect coupons and also don`t need to work more than about a day a week.I spend my summers at festivals and last winter was in thailand. This winter might be mexico or chile maybe.


Drug dealer or gigolo?
 
2013-10-02 03:52:34 PM
How people think we dressed in the 1980s:
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How we actually dressed in the 1980s:
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-02 04:00:19 PM
1968 GenXer here:

1. We  Like Work  -- I guess, especially because I doubt I will retire until I am too ill to work, It is nice to telecommute and dress casually. Wouldn't mind the big raises my dad got (excluding the heavy inflation years). But it is disheartening watching a 125 year old company go down the tubes not because it couldn't adjust to the 21st century but because the bean counters are exporting all the jobs, which require a BA and above, overseas for short term gain and long term ruin.

2. We Can Warm a Bench  -- Screw that, i didn't even try out for little league because I knew I sucked. My son sucked just as much as I did but he got a trophy anyway. The only trophy I ever got was the toilet bowl trophy for finishing in last place in the father and son bowling league.

3. We Age Gracefully  -- My parents, even when dressed informally, dressed rather formally. I can remember my dad wearing jeans just once. Same for a polo shirt. He wore black socks with his sandals and bermuda shorts. My mom wore summer dressed and pants outfits that would put Hilary to shame. You knew they were adults. My wife and I dress more like 20 somethings, minus the tattoos when not working. And now that our eldest is a teen almost my size, my wife easily gets our clothes mixed up (well t-shirts and socks).  We also go to gym, avoid red meat and don't smoke which probably helps.

4. We Played Catch With Friends Instead of Fathers  -- Always played with other kids. I can remember my dad coming to exactly one of our temple's informal Sunday morning softball games. At least he liked to bowl with us. And aside from cooking the occasional meal, he never did any chores (aside from grocery shopping with my mom but that was to keep us on budget). And i work from home often because I can, unlike my wife.

5. We Accept Impermanence -- When my wife and I started dating she was shocked that I, a native New Yorker, had never been to the top of the WTC. I responded, before she dragged me up, that we live here, I can always go another time. Whoops.

That said, our children think we lived in the dark ages of no cable, no recording of shows, no internet, no cell phone etc. I guess it's the same way I was shocked my grandparents/parents didn't have a TV growing up. I was roaming the streets of my NYC neighborhood on my own by 10 -- today that would almost be considered child abandonment. And my dad did buy me my first Intellivision at 13 and Commodore 64 at 15 because he loved the video games. His problem was he was born 50-60 years too early to be a gamer.
 
2013-10-02 04:03:24 PM
Great find, Subby!
 
2013-10-02 04:12:23 PM
these articles make me feel so lost.  WHICH GENERATION IS MINE?!?!  born in 1982.  i never watched the fonz but did memorize phone numbers.
 
2013-10-02 04:19:02 PM

chairmenmeow47: these articles make me feel so lost.  WHICH GENERATION IS MINE?!?!  born in 1982.  i never watched the fonz but did memorize phone numbers.



What were your parents like?  Culturally conventional, or more cutting-edge for their generation?  Were they Boomers?  Omnipresent or absent?

Did you feel a lot of pressure to join civic groups or organize any protests or activist movements?  Or more of a keep-to-yourself thing and focus on your own circle?
 
2013-10-02 04:24:38 PM
As I told my much younger sister when she was complaining about not getting a playstation 2 for Christmas several years ago, "when I was growing up, if you wanted to play a video game at home you had to program it your damn self."
 
2013-10-02 04:40:11 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: and why didn't daddy love me?

'Cause he was too busy loving the pool boy...


Speak for yourself, bro/sis. Mine was dead by the time I was 7.

/Record scratch
 
2013-10-02 04:56:43 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


1961-1980
 
2013-10-02 05:06:30 PM
If you can remember WWII ending, you are definitely not a Baby Boomer.

If you can remember JFK's assassination, you are definitely not a Generation X-er.

If you can remember the Reagan presidency, you are definitely not a Generation Y-er, or Millenial, or whatever the hell they're called.

If you can remember 9/11, you are definitely not a Generation Z-er, or whatever the hell they're called.

/Born in '88, which would make me a Generation Y-er/Millenial.
 
2013-10-02 05:07:50 PM

chairmenmeow47: these articles make me feel so lost.  WHICH GENERATION IS MINE?!?!  born in 1982.  i never watched the fonz but did memorize phone numbers.


You're Gen Y.

Seriously people this isn't very hard
 
2013-10-02 05:08:04 PM

Bith Set Me Up: If you can clearly remember WWII ending, you are definitely not a Baby Boomer.

If you can clearly remember JFK's assassination, you are definitely not a Generation X-er.

If you can clearly remember the Reagan presidency, you are definitely not a Generation Y-er, or Millenial, or whatever the hell they're called.

If you can clearly remember 9/11, you are definitely not a Generation Z-er, or whatever the hell they're called.

/Born in '88, which would make me a Generation Y-er/Millenial.


FTFM.
 
2013-10-02 05:09:24 PM
Pretty much...Yup

Watching  Boomers chase after stuff their whole lives and ending up broke sad and old
Laughing at millennial do the same thing with wanting to be famous for 15 minutes.

Whatever
We just do our thing
 
2013-10-02 05:14:10 PM

a flock of birds: jpo2269: The Millennials are not going to take this one well.  Much butthurt will be shared on this thread I do predict...

I'll bite.

I notice that a large number of Gen X-ers who post about generational differences are just as self-absorbed as they allege the Millennials to be; they just lack the self awareness to recognize it.

For example:  "I'm part of the best generation!  It sucks to be stuck between these two inferior, sucky generations.  Ugh.  I wish they could be as un-self-absorbed as I AM.  Whatever; look at the cool way I can say "meh."  See how I can affect such a cool demeanor by the way I relax my face just perfectly when I say it?  No, not like that.  You'll never be able to say "meh" like someone of MY generation.   Look at me and how much I don't care!!!"

/friends with a lot of great Gen X-ers


Says no one in the article or this thread
 
2013-10-02 05:18:56 PM

Phinn: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

Gen X is anyone born after the moment Kennedy was shot, to the moment Reagan was elected.

And not a second earlier or later.


I like this definition.
 
2013-10-02 05:19:46 PM
I'm a Generation Xer married to a Millennial.

Oh the Lulz when it come to child rearing.

Halloween:
Me: Um, let's pick something cheap at Target
Mrs.: I want to hand sew a costume, and have everyone themed and ...

On Juggling Knives:
Me: No, no no. Move your face away from the spinning blades. Like this.
Mrs: OMGWTF

On career plans:
Me: I have to work 9-5...
Mrs: Well I better see that bathroom scrubbed at 5:15 then
 
2013-10-02 05:27:33 PM
Phinn: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

Gen X is anyone born after the moment Kennedy was shot, elected to the moment Reagan Nixon was elected.

And not a second earlier or later.

Says me, because I was a Kennedy baby and self-identify with the Xers not the Boomers.
 
2013-10-02 05:32:37 PM

Phinn: Generation Jones


You know I had never heard of that before but it does make a certain amount of sense, My mom is a boomer but my stepdad would be a joneser and you can see some of the proto X behavior.

That and Obama is a Joneser, IT EXPLAINS EVERTHING!

It does make me wonder if there would be a typical generation overlap between X & Y  Nixons resignation to Reagan maybe?
I mean I fall in that group...

Does that mean I have the worst of X and the worst of Y? Apathy + Self absorption!?

GOD HELP US!
 
2013-10-02 05:49:57 PM
Meh. These "generational" terms are not very useful, that's why people biatch about them.

The people who work in advertising and PR (like me) have "profiles" of different groups that purport to outline their likes, dislikes, etc. We break it down even more specifically, though, not just by age. We use labels that the groups themselves would probably find flattering, like "Savvy Seniors" (or something like that, I can't remember the names exactly, it's been awhile since I read this shiat). Segmenting just by age is not specific enough to be useful. Nielsen has a list of them that is, no shiat, 66 items long, with names like  Young Digerati and  New Empty Nests and  Middleburg Managers.

It's just to sell you all more stuff (whether that stuff is clothing, medicine, food or a political party). We don't care if you hate each other, we just want to make money off of you. The generic "X" and "Millennials" labels are mostly just for click bait articles. So no need to try to figure out which age group you're in. It doesn't matter. We already know what group you go into, because we've already got you in one of them. Enjoy your Facebook and Twitter ads.
 
2013-10-02 06:14:05 PM

dready zim: Phinn: I've had more than one acquaintance say something like, "I'm going to give my kids a real childhood if I have to sew the costumes for the school play myself."

And that is how we spawn millenials...


Yeah, it's the moms that say stuff like that.

The Gen X dads are pretty much exactly like we were in college -- chockablock full of sardonic mockery and disillusionment.
 
2013-10-02 06:14:52 PM
Is this "Gen X, Gen Y, Gen Whatever" thing supposed to be the new, intellectual version of "what's your zodiac sign?" Because it's certainly got that same accuracy level down.
 
2013-10-02 06:21:27 PM

onzmadi: Phinn: Generation Jones

You know I had never heard of that before but it does make a certain amount of sense, My mom is a boomer but my stepdad would be a joneser and you can see some of the proto X behavior.

That and Obama is a Joneser, IT EXPLAINS EVERTHING!

It does make me wonder if there would be a typical generation overlap between X & Y  Nixons resignation to Reagan maybe?
I mean I fall in that group...

Does that mean I have the worst of X and the worst of Y? Apathy + Self absorption!?

GOD HELP US!


Obama is the Ur-Joneser -- just enough Boomer to have been pickled in a stew of earnestness and activism and causes and self-important righteousness, and yet was late enough in the Boomer era to have watched all that Boomer idealism turn to shiat, plus a broken home, lots of drugs, and absolutely no sincerity whatsoever.
 
2013-10-02 06:23:07 PM

ImmaHoopyFrood: SheltemDragon: I'd high five you, but I'm still locked locked in my house after school and not allowed to have friends over.

Are you serious about this (at least a little)?  Because I've thought the generations after mine were the first ones to be truly monitored and shackled.  Like the parents never wanted the kids to fly off with middle finger extended and raise some hell while they can get away with it.  When I was a teen the policy was "don't get caught and try not to be an ass".  We waited a little bit to have kids but I have two that are about ready to leave the house and I'm known as the "dangerous dad".  Don't let your kids play with his kids.  They might end up bicycling to a river and swim in water that isn't chlorinated.  Plus they would be unsupervised and a 17 year old needs constant surveillance apparantly.


A bit, but I honestly am more channeling my best friend from High School. He was basically the poster child for a latch key child. Strait home after school, no friends in the immaculate house, friends (of which I was the only one I ever knew about) on the weekend barely tolerated (and almost never in the house). I was too busy watching my younger siblings and being parental proxy after school from 3 pm - 7pm about age 11 on.

/ And listening to my parents marriage disintegrate in the evenings and at night when they thought everyone was asleep
// Anyone who stays married "for the children" and then spends the next 10 years arguing should be beaten.
/// I love them both dearly, but I will never be able to truly forgive, or fix, the emotional damage.
 
2013-10-02 06:26:52 PM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


1974 here. I am a Gen Xer by almost any measurement.
 
2013-10-02 06:30:39 PM

onzmadi: a flock of birds: jpo2269: The Millennials are not going to take this one well.  Much butthurt will be shared on this thread I do predict...

I'll bite.

I notice that a large number of Gen X-ers who post about generational differences are just as self-absorbed as they allege the Millennials to be; they just lack the self awareness to recognize it.

For example:  "I'm part of the best generation!  It sucks to be stuck between these two inferior, sucky generations.  Ugh.  I wish they could be as un-self-absorbed as I AM.  Whatever; look at the cool way I can say "meh."  See how I can affect such a cool demeanor by the way I relax my face just perfectly when I say it?  No, not like that.  You'll never be able to say "meh" like someone of MY generation.   Look at me and how much I don't care!!!"

/friends with a lot of great Gen X-ers

Says no one in the article or this thread


You literally said this right after making a post about how you laugh at the inferiority you perceive in the generations that surround you.

I don't think most Gen X-ers are the way I described.  I'm just noting that there is a loud subset of the generation that flock to the internet and and gloat on and on about how wonderful and special they are for not being self-absorbed like everyone else.
 
2013-10-02 08:07:59 PM
"Hey, dad."

"Hey."

"What's new?"

"Nothing much. You?"

"The same. Nothing much. How's mom?"

"She's good. At least she was the last time I saw her."

"Good. Well....I guess I'll talk to you later."

"Okay."

"Cats in the cradle, dad."

"Whatever."
 
2013-10-02 10:01:02 PM
Please Millenials, before you start recylcing Boomers into fertilizer, settle on a firm date as to when Boomerdom ended and Xdom started - and let all the pitchfork weilding MIllenials know?

That'd be great, thanks.
 

/No matter how badly things suck
//There is always room for deprovement
 
2013-10-02 10:25:44 PM

Gonz: The defining anthem of our generation finishes with the phrase that speaks to all of us:

"Oh, well. Whatever. Nevermind."


Umm, no.  That whiny shiat is the furthest thing from a "defining anthem" and does not speak for me.

Gen X is the first generation to tell their kids to turn the music down - not because it's too loud, but because it sucks.
 
2013-10-02 10:50:48 PM
1972, right in the middle of Gen X. And going to see The Cure and NIN at Voodoo Fest in New Orleans this Halloween!

When I started college, I could get through a semester for $600 at a junior college. At some point the tide turned and I think we became the first generation to take on serious college debt. However, the economy and job market was good.

Sex as a teenager or twenty something was absolutely terrifying. We were great at condom use and birth control. They indoctrinated us about the perils of Aids and unplanned pregnancy.

Every kid I knew had after school or at least summer jobs and it was serious hands off parenting. I found myself in numerous situations that would give today's parents a heart attack, from hanging out in Tijuana at 16 to getting in cars with people I didn't know, or just spending the whole day at the beach with friends at age 11. No cell phones to keep in touch.

Truth or dare was more innocent. The most you ever did with a boy in the closer was a sloppy French kiss or awkward groping. I hear they're giving BJs now, etc...

And as far as the clothing...there was a good amount of obnoxious, fluorescent prints and big plastic earrings and big hair and preppy and shoulder pads. But there were a lot of trends. There was goth, which was just like the emo of today. In Southern California a lot of us dressed like surfer dudes and chicks.

What I miss the most is the privacy, the ability to be anonymous, the freedom to not have every moment documented and transmitted, and the ease of starting a new life. Now, everything (and everybody from every phase of your life) follows you forever. Every mistake, every legal problem is right there for anyone to find in a matter of seconds. Two edged sword I guess.
 
2013-10-03 01:37:10 AM

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Ah, the memories. Thanks for making my day.
 
2013-10-03 10:41:52 AM

Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...


I'll give it a go.  I'd say 1960-1979.
 
2013-10-03 11:38:56 AM

SheltemDragon: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

1974 here. I am a Gen Xer by almost any measurement.


'74 here as well.  I'd say we're right in the middle range of Gen X.  Not at the beginning, or the end, but squarely in the middle.
 
2013-10-03 02:27:48 PM

FTDA: SheltemDragon: Practical_Draconian: Peeve: Can someone just nail when Gen Xers and such were born dates?

1965-1980, 1960-1980, 1965-1982, 1961-1979, 1966-1986 ...

1974 here. I am a Gen Xer by almost any measurement.

'74 here as well.  I'd say we're right in the middle range of Gen X.  Not at the beginning, or the end, but squarely in the middle.


'73 is the middle.   You're one of the new kids.  Probably still an X-er, if you had an older brother or sister to get you up to speed.
 
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