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(New York Magazine)   "Boehner resembles William H. Macy's character in Fargo, who concocts a simple plan, failing to think a step forward about what happens next. In the end, Boehner's Speakership is likely to end up in the wood chipper, anyway"   (nymag.com) divider line 97
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2013-10-02 09:53:43 AM  
I prefer the WWI analogy. Much scarier.
 
2013-10-02 09:56:14 AM  
Good.
 
2013-10-02 10:08:48 AM  

DamnYankees: I prefer the WWI analogy. Much scarier.


They alluded to it in the article, but what is it specifically?

/Usually WWI analogies are along the lines of entangling alliances that compel rational, yet irrational, action.
 
2013-10-02 10:09:46 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: I prefer the WWI analogy. Much scarier.

They alluded to it in the article, but what is it specifically?

/Usually WWI analogies are along the lines of entangling alliances that compel rational, yet irrational, action.


Short-term tactical decisions made for reasons of pride and internal politics by small factions of people end up resulting in a massive conflagration that no one intended.
 
2013-10-02 10:20:30 AM  

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: I prefer the WWI analogy. Much scarier.

They alluded to it in the article, but what is it specifically?

/Usually WWI analogies are along the lines of entangling alliances that compel rational, yet irrational, action.

Short-term tactical decisions made for reasons of pride and internal politics by small factions of people end up resulting in a massive conflagration that no one intended.


I'm not really sure how what I highlighted in bold applies to WWI, although I may be missing some of the nuances of antebellum European diplomacy. Perhaps it's me, but I've always read the build up to WWI as almost a tapestry that no one could remove a thread from, lest the whole thing unravel. Certainly, the Right Wing Faction of the GOP certainly has set up their policies like that: one capitulation and you might as well unravel the whole thing.
 
2013-10-02 11:17:41 AM  
Meh

/that asshole couldn't even give away the Trucoat
 
2013-10-02 11:50:03 AM  
Huh, that means I'm the bleach blond corn fed ugly hooker?
 
2013-10-02 11:59:15 AM  
Boehner really, really sucks at his job. He has from day one. He's gone from one clusterfark to the next. I'm amazed he's lasted this long.
 
2013-10-02 12:12:12 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Boehner really, really sucks at his job. He has from day one. He's gone from one clusterfark to the next. I'm amazed he's lasted this long.


In fairness, who in the Hells would replace him? Really? Who in the Hells wants the damn job? Wrangling the House is a damn sight harder than herding cats...
 
2013-10-02 12:16:09 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm not really sure how what I highlighted in bold applies to WWI, although I may be missing some of the nuances of antebellum European diplomacy. Perhaps it's me, but I've always read the build up to WWI as almost a tapestry that no one could remove a thread from, lest the whole thing unravel. Certainly, the Right Wing Faction of the GOP certainly has set up their policies like that: one capitulation and you might as well unravel the whole thing.


I don't think these two things (i.e. small decisions v. tapestry of alliances) are mutually exclusive. If you read through the histories (and I'm hardly an expert), it seems to me that each party along the way was just making in-the-moment decisions without regard for the larger picture. This is especially true at the beginning of it all when Austria and Serbia were facing each other down and both of them acted dumb as fark.
 
2013-10-02 12:19:34 PM  

hubiestubert: Lando Lincoln: Boehner really, really sucks at his job. He has from day one. He's gone from one clusterfark to the next. I'm amazed he's lasted this long.

In fairness, who in the Hells would replace him? Really? Who in the Hells wants the damn job? Wrangling the House is a damn sight harder than herding cats...


Eric Cantor will replace him, and then this crazy train can REALLY get rolling.
 
2013-10-02 12:21:59 PM  

Lando Lincoln: hubiestubert: Lando Lincoln: Boehner really, really sucks at his job. He has from day one. He's gone from one clusterfark to the next. I'm amazed he's lasted this long.

In fairness, who in the Hells would replace him? Really? Who in the Hells wants the damn job? Wrangling the House is a damn sight harder than herding cats...

Eric Cantor will replace him, and then this crazy train can REALLY get rolling.


I don't think Cantor would. At this point I think he's seen as too close to Boehner to be an alternative for the Tea Partiers. This is why Boehner will remain as speaker - there are literally no other options, unless 20 GOPers basically bolted the party, formed an alliance with the Dems, and one of them was made speaker. But that will not happen.
 
2013-10-02 12:28:28 PM  

Lando Lincoln: hubiestubert: Lando Lincoln: Boehner really, really sucks at his job. He has from day one. He's gone from one clusterfark to the next. I'm amazed he's lasted this long.

In fairness, who in the Hells would replace him? Really? Who in the Hells wants the damn job? Wrangling the House is a damn sight harder than herding cats...

Eric Cantor will replace him, and then this crazy train can REALLY get rolling.


Cantor is disliked by pretty much the same folks who think that Boehner is a weak sister, and worse, he has that incredibly punchable face that gets folks hett up fast. The caucus might go for it, but as a leader, Cantor has burned far too many bridges within the House. He's an attack dog, not a peacemaker, and that goes with his tenure as Whip.
 
2013-10-02 12:28:40 PM  
FTFA: Except the action to "bring the two parties together" was when the Senate Budget Committee spent all summer pleading for a conference with the House, and Ryan refused...

upload.wikimedia.org

I'm not gonna debate you, Harry.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate.
 
2013-10-02 12:29:54 PM  

hubiestubert: Cantor is disliked by pretty much the same folks who think that Boehner is a weak sister, and worse, he has that incredibly punchable face that gets folks hett up fast. The caucus might go for it, but as a leader, Cantor has burned far too many bridges within the House. He's an attack dog, not a peacemaker, and that goes with his tenure as Whip.


Exactly. The thing Boehner has going for him, and the reason he's speaker, is that he's apparently a very likeable guy within the caucus. Cantor doesn't have that.
 
2013-10-02 12:33:22 PM  

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm not really sure how what I highlighted in bold applies to WWI, although I may be missing some of the nuances of antebellum European diplomacy. Perhaps it's me, but I've always read the build up to WWI as almost a tapestry that no one could remove a thread from, lest the whole thing unravel. Certainly, the Right Wing Faction of the GOP certainly has set up their policies like that: one capitulation and you might as well unravel the whole thing.

I don't think these two things (i.e. small decisions v. tapestry of alliances) are mutually exclusive. If you read through the histories (and I'm hardly an expert), it seems to me that each party along the way was just making in-the-moment decisions without regard for the larger picture. This is especially true at the beginning of it all when Austria and Serbia were facing each other down and both of them acted dumb as fark.


Ah, I see where you're going with this now.
 
2013-10-02 12:56:11 PM  

DamnYankees: hubiestubert: Cantor is disliked by pretty much the same folks who think that Boehner is a weak sister, and worse, he has that incredibly punchable face that gets folks hett up fast. The caucus might go for it, but as a leader, Cantor has burned far too many bridges within the House. He's an attack dog, not a peacemaker, and that goes with his tenure as Whip.

Exactly. The thing Boehner has going for him, and the reason he's speaker, is that he's apparently a very likeable guy within the caucus. Cantor doesn't have that.


Boehner will have a drink with anybody. Nobody WANTS to drink with Cantor.
 
2013-10-02 12:59:03 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Boehner really, really sucks at his job. He has from day one. He's gone from one clusterfark to the next. I'm amazed he's lasted this long.


Probably because the drooling derpers know he will roll over for them.
 
2013-10-02 01:18:32 PM  
As long as this ends with Boner being dragged, kicking and screaming, out of a sleazy motel in his underwear by cops, I'm fine with this.
 
2013-10-02 01:21:17 PM  
Boehner  is gerrymandered into his district so tight that he can never really be removed by a challenger. He really has nothing to worry about. He might lose the speakership, but there is no way to be rid of him.
 
2013-10-02 01:40:15 PM  

vernonFL: Huh, that means I'm the bleach blond corn fed ugly hooker?


How you doin'?
 
2013-10-02 01:40:50 PM  
The difference being that Jerry Lundegaard was likable up to a point. Boehner's never been likable.
 
2013-10-02 01:41:08 PM  
Boehner is kinda funny lookin'.
 
2013-10-02 01:41:09 PM  
There's always the custodial arts.
 
2013-10-02 01:41:19 PM  
Boehner's going to feed the country into a woodchipper if we don't strip off the Truecoat that comes pre-sprayed by the factory.
 
2013-10-02 01:41:20 PM  

Fast Thick Pants: vernonFL: Huh, that means I'm the bleach blond corn fed ugly hooker?

How you doin'?


go bears
 
2013-10-02 01:43:43 PM  
He more closely resembles the warden from Shawshank Redemption, covered in bronzer, then roasted to perfection.
 
2013-10-02 01:45:06 PM  

vernonFL: Huh, that means I'm the bleach blond corn fed ugly hooker?


Yahhhhh!
 
2013-10-02 01:45:51 PM  
Umm, shouldn't Boehner be the one thrown into a chipper? One of the big ones, the sort the line clearing crews tow around. The one in Fargo was too small to do the job properly.
 
2013-10-02 01:46:32 PM  
She thought I should call it in.

So...I called it in.
 
2013-10-02 01:46:42 PM  
The moderate Republicans will get primaried out by teabaggers. Most of those teabaggers will lose to Dims.
End of GOP majority in house, and all GOP power.
GOP reborn as new party - see 1964, 1864, etc.
 
2013-10-02 01:46:49 PM  

DamnYankees: the reason he's speaker, is that he's apparently a very likeable guy within the caucus


Wow... If Boehner is the likable guy, partying with these guys must be a very grim affair.
 
2013-10-02 01:48:04 PM  
My favorite comparison was made by one fine Farker, wherein he compared Boehner to William Wallace: betrayed by his own people, then publicly disemboweled.
 
2013-10-02 01:49:08 PM  

qorkfiend: My favorite comparison was made by one fine Farker, wherein he compared Boehner to William Wallace: betrayed by his own people, then publicly disemboweled.


You have bled with Gingrich! Now bleed with me!
 
2013-10-02 01:51:27 PM  

vernonFL: Huh, that means I'm the bleach blond corn fed ugly hooker?


CSB: I met the actress who played one of the hookers (the one who says "he was kinda funny looking").  She was a very sweet Minnesotan lady who was initially hired as a dialect coach for Frances McDormand, only later cast in her minor role.
 
2013-10-02 01:51:48 PM  

DamnYankees: qorkfiend: My favorite comparison was made by one fine Farker, wherein he compared Boehner to William Wallace: betrayed by his own people, then publicly disemboweled.

You have bled with Gingrich! Now bleed with me!


They can take his Speakership, but they can never take his spray tan.
 
2013-10-02 01:52:17 PM  

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: I prefer the WWI analogy. Much scarier.

They alluded to it in the article, but what is it specifically?

/Usually WWI analogies are along the lines of entangling alliances that compel rational, yet irrational, action.

Short-term tactical decisions made for reasons of pride and internal politics by small factions of people end up resulting in a massive conflagration that no one intended.


Guns of August
 
2013-10-02 01:52:27 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Boehner  is gerrymandered into his district so tight that he can never really be removed by a challenger. He really has nothing to worry about. He might lose the speakership, but there is no way to be rid of him.


You sure he can't be out Tea Partied in the primaries?
 
2013-10-02 01:54:12 PM  

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: I prefer the WWI analogy. Much scarier.

They alluded to it in the article, but what is it specifically?

/Usually WWI analogies are along the lines of entangling alliances that compel rational, yet irrational, action.

Short-term tactical decisions made for reasons of pride and internal politics by small factions of people end up resulting in a massive conflagration that no one intended.


I've taken the liberty of highlighting the part of your metaphor where it breaks down. There's nothing unintended about what's going on here. This was the plan all along among the Teabagger set - simplicity at its finest.
 
2013-10-02 01:54:20 PM  
The biggest problem the Republicans have is timing. Obama is a lame duck so he has no political future at stake. The Republicans have no obvious national political leader either. There isn't a national election coming up for another year that can settle the dust.. So in effect it is one big brawl between the two houses and one that in the end the Republicans can't win, only make themselves look weak and foolish. There is an argument to be made that this is a fight worth picking but it is difficult to see the advantage of picking it now.
 
2013-10-02 01:55:12 PM  

worlddan: The biggest problem the Republicans have is timing. Obama is a lame duck so he has no political future at stake. The Republicans have no obvious national political leader either. There isn't a national election coming up for another year that can settle the dust.. So in effect it is one big brawl between the two houses and one that in the end the Republicans can't win, only make themselves look weak and foolish. There is an argument to be made that this is a fight worth picking but it is difficult to see the advantage of picking it now.


Honestly, a big worry here is that there's one person who I think comes out of this entire mess looking kind of appealing in 2016.

Chris Christie.
 
2013-10-02 01:56:26 PM  
If Boehner is Jerry Lundegaard, then who is Marge? Obama? Reid? Pelosi?

I would say Carl Showalter represents the moderate Republicans, Gaear Grimsrud the Tea Party, although if we're lucky they switch and the Tea Party ends up in the wood chipper.
 
2013-10-02 01:56:49 PM  

worlddan: The biggest problem the Republicans have is timing. Obama is a lame duck so he has no political future at stake. The Republicans have no obvious national political leader either. There isn't a national election coming up for another year that can settle the dust.. So in effect it is one big brawl between the two houses and one that in the end the Republicans can't win, only make themselves look weak and foolish. There is an argument to be made that this is a fight worth picking but it is difficult to see the advantage of picking it now.


I'm not sure I understand the bolded part. The law has problems, but it improves a lot of things. Good legislatures should be legislating to improve the law, not shutting down everything because it is flawed.
 
2013-10-02 01:59:38 PM  

Captain Dan: vernonFL: Huh, that means I'm the bleach blond corn fed ugly hooker?

CSB: I met the actress who played one of the hookers (the one who says "he was kinda funny looking").  She was a very sweet Minnesotan lady who was initially hired as a dialect coach for Frances McDormand, only later cast in her minor role.


I've never seen the movie and only sort of know what you are talking about and it was still a CSB, thanks.

/no sarcasm
 
2013-10-02 02:01:04 PM  
Obama is Norm Gunderson. Congratulations you won! The three-cent stamp.
 
2013-10-02 02:01:43 PM  

Nadie_AZ: . There is an argument to be made that this is a fight worth picking but it is difficult to see the advantage of picking it now.

I'm not sure I understand the bolded part.


Sorry, I should have been more explicit. I wasn't referring to Obamacare. That has just been an excuse. I believe that the real fight here is about the debt ceiling (avoiding long-winded explanation about why). Obamacare is a done deal, as stupid is that law happens to be.
 
2013-10-02 02:01:45 PM  
Anyone else notice this in the comments section on TFA?

"What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum. " 
 
--Abraham Lincoln, January 11, 1861
 
2013-10-02 02:03:05 PM  

worlddan: There is an argument to be made that this is a fight worth picking but it is difficult to see the advantage of picking it now.


No, there really isn't such argument.  The issue of the ACA has been legislated and settled in the legislature, judiciary and public.  There is no more to say about it, especially by republicans.

Of course if the real end goal is to force a constitutional crisis using the debt ceiling and an opportunity to impeach the president then you knuckleheads are doing swimmingly.
 
2013-10-02 02:03:27 PM  

Captain Dan: vernonFL: Huh, that means I'm the bleach blond corn fed ugly hooker?

CSB: I met the actress who played one of the hookers (the one who says "he was kinda funny looking").  She was a very sweet Minnesotan lady who was initially hired as a dialect coach for Frances McDormand, only later cast in her minor role.


Ooh ya? How else was she funny soundin'?
 
2013-10-02 02:03:30 PM  

worlddan: Nadie_AZ: . There is an argument to be made that this is a fight worth picking but it is difficult to see the advantage of picking it now.

I'm not sure I understand the bolded part.

Sorry, I should have been more explicit. I wasn't referring to Obamacare. That has just been an excuse. I believe that the real fight here is about the debt ceiling (avoiding long-winded explanation about why). Obamacare is a done deal, as stupid is that law happens to be.


Ah. Understood.
 
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