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2013-10-02 12:17:43 PM
Too late and don't care, its terrible game from a terrible company that ruined what was once the pinnacle franchise of PC gaming.  There is no fixing EA's SimCity, you'd need a different company and build it from scratch to expunge everything that's wrong with that game.  Or at least a company honest enough to admit all that's wrong with that game isn't as integrated as they claimed it was before proven it wasn't.
 
2013-10-02 12:35:42 PM
Modding DRM still not an option, eh?
 
2013-10-02 12:38:21 PM
It's like Spore. They ruined it to the point that you'd have to mod it heavily just to make the gameplay fun.
 
2013-10-02 12:40:37 PM
I'm perfectly happy playing SC4 (which is pretty much completely moddable)
 
2013-10-02 01:02:41 PM
Government shutdown?  We need an EA shutdown amiright?
 
2013-10-02 01:06:08 PM
Wait, so you're telling me that the same company that doesn't give a shiat about it's employees or products also doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers? Why do people buy EA titles, again? Where's the redeeming qualities? Stop. Buying. EA shiat.
 
2013-10-02 01:07:16 PM
Back in the day SimCity 2000 was one of the games that got me forever hooked on gaming, so this installment was particularly disappointing for me. Id just like to again thank the farker who pointed me in the direction of gog.com for a version of 2000 that works on my machine.

Finally made a city work starting with a ten thousand dollar bond, never had the patience for that as a kid.
 
2013-10-02 01:11:29 PM
If you want a world sim game that's easily* moddable, get yourself some Minecraft or something.

*relatively speaking
 
2013-10-02 01:16:04 PM

mooseyfate: Wait, so you're telling me that the same company that doesn't give a shiat about it's employees or products also doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers? Why do people buy EA titles, again? Where's the redeeming qualities? Stop. Buying. EA shiat.


Yea. Pretty much this.

/haven't purchased an EA product in years.
 
2013-10-02 01:17:12 PM

Snapper Carr: I'm perfectly happy playing SC4 (which is pretty much completely moddable)


SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.

Just turn off shadows and it runs like a dream on any modern machine.
 
2013-10-02 01:21:38 PM
That's what happens with these always online games.  No mods?  At the mercy of your server?  No thanks.
 
2013-10-02 01:23:20 PM
For micro Tran$actions right?
 
2013-10-02 01:28:22 PM

xanadian: If you want a world sim game that's easily* moddable, get yourself some Minecraft or something.

*relatively speaking


I'm loving the Darth Mod for Napoleon Total War. But that's less about world sims and more about world domination. And the world WILL be mine!
 
2013-10-02 01:31:09 PM

usttsdw: mooseyfate: Wait, so you're telling me that the same company that doesn't give a shiat about it's employees or products also doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers? Why do people buy EA titles, again? Where's the redeeming qualities? Stop. Buying. EA shiat.

Yea. Pretty much this.

/haven't purchased an EA product in years.


I was looking through my titles the other day. I only have a few EA titles. Mass Effect series, Madden 10 (or 11. Can't remember, only bought it for the Superbowl Saints), and Fight Night Champion. And I'll never buy another EA title again. Even though I love the Fight Night series, they're never getting another dime out of me.
 
2013-10-02 01:35:16 PM

mooseyfate: usttsdw: mooseyfate: Wait, so you're telling me that the same company that doesn't give a shiat about it's employees or products also doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers? Why do people buy EA titles, again? Where's the redeeming qualities? Stop. Buying. EA shiat.

Yea. Pretty much this.

/haven't purchased an EA product in years.

I was looking through my titles the other day. I only have a few EA titles. Mass Effect series, Madden 10 (or 11. Can't remember, only bought it for the Superbowl Saints), and Fight Night Champion. And I'll never buy another EA title again. Even though I love the Fight Night series, they're never getting another dime out of me.


The last one I got was Mass Effect 3. I only got it because I had dedicated so much time to the previous 2 and I wanted to see it end. They officially lost me after the abortion that was Dragon Age 2. Any other name and it would've been an ok RPG, but putting the Dragon Age name on it tainted the whole series.
 
2013-10-02 01:39:54 PM

mooseyfate: And I'll never buy another EA title again


Dead Space 2 came up on a Steam sale recently. I was going to buy it but then I noticed it said "online activation is required" and that reminded me it was an EA release so then I kicked it out of the cart and never looked back.

Between my tablet, Steam, GoG.com, games I already own and Netflix I'm not exactly hurting for digital entertainment. I see no reason anymore to purchase things that intentionally throw walls in front of me when I attempt to play them. Not when I still have 10 other games I haven't even gotten around to playing yet.

/ in other words, fark you SimCity. Fark you too Diablo 3
 
2013-10-02 01:46:22 PM

skozlaw: mooseyfate: And I'll never buy another EA title again

Dead Space 2 came up on a Steam sale recently. I was going to buy it but then I noticed it said "online activation is required" and that reminded me it was an EA release so then I kicked it out of the cart and never looked back.

Between my tablet, Steam, GoG.com, games I already own and Netflix I'm not exactly hurting for digital entertainment. I see no reason anymore to purchase things that intentionally throw walls in front of me when I attempt to play them. Not when I still have 10 other games I haven't even gotten around to playing yet.

/ in other words, fark you SimCity. Fark you too Diablo 3


I got the D&D sale pack off of GOG about a month ago....I have enough in that to last me a good while.
 
2013-10-02 01:56:50 PM

fluffy2097: SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.


I did not know this.  I thought it was restricted to one core.  I'll have to boot it up again!
 
2013-10-02 01:58:40 PM

Detinwolf: fluffy2097: SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.

I did not know this.  I thought it was restricted to one core.  I'll have to boot it up again!


It's a command line switch. It can also run in a few different resolutions from the command line as well.

I forget what those commands are though. It's been a while since I've played too.
 
2013-10-02 02:00:48 PM

Burr: I got the D&D sale pack off of GOG about a month ago....I have enough in that to last me a good while.


Heck yea. I can kill 45 minutes just sitting at the character creation screen in Baldur's Gate rerolling my stat...

/ yes, I know I could just enable cheats and roll all 18s, but that would be cheating!
 
2013-10-02 02:08:11 PM

fluffy2097: Snapper Carr: I'm perfectly happy playing SC4 (which is pretty much completely moddable)

SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.

Just turn off shadows and it runs like a dream on any modern machine.


And lots of great custom stuff and mods for it.

And the Cities series is great as well. Not sure why EA went all in on stupidity and multi-player.
 
2013-10-02 02:09:08 PM

skozlaw: Burr: I got the D&D sale pack off of GOG about a month ago....I have enough in that to last me a good while.

Heck yea. I can kill 45 minutes just sitting at the character creation screen in Baldur's Gate rerolling my stat...

/ yes, I know I could just enable cheats and roll all 18s, but that would be cheating!


I am currently replaying Planescape: Torment (has been a few years), trying not to skip anything.
 
2013-10-02 02:22:36 PM

BumpInTheNight: Too late and don't care, its terrible game from a terrible company that ruined what was once the pinnacle franchise of PC gaming.  There is no fixing EA's SimCity, you'd need a different company and build it from scratch to expunge everything that's wrong with that game.  Or at least a company honest enough to admit all that's wrong with that game isn't as integrated as they claimed it was before proven it wasn't.


Done in one.
 
2013-10-02 03:08:50 PM

Hebalo: Not sure why EA went all in on stupidity and multi-player.


Multiplayer is the future! Every game needs it! And always online! People play Peggle on Facebook and that's always online! This is exactly like that! Except it's $60 and not fun at all!
 
2013-10-02 03:10:58 PM

BumpInTheNight: Too late and don't care, its terrible game from a terrible company that ruined what was once the pinnacle franchise of PC gaming.  There is no fixing EA's SimCity, you'd need a different company and build it from scratch to expunge everything that's wrong with that game.  Or at least a company honest enough to admit all that's wrong with that game isn't as integrated as they claimed it was before proven it wasn't.


Perfect post.

I never thought I'd see SimCity fall from grace with such impact.

Damage done, EA. Too late.
 
2013-10-02 03:13:31 PM
Meanwhile Civ 4 was made completely and radically customizable via simple editing of xml files.

And that was like EIGHT FRICKIN' YEARS AGO.
 
2013-10-02 03:26:43 PM

Yotto: Hebalo: Not sure why EA went all in on stupidity and multi-player.

Multiplayer is the future! Every game needs it! And always online! People play Peggle on Facebook and that's always online! This is exactly like that! Except it's $60 and not fun at all!


Yeah. No one at EA stopped to consider that people who love city builders tend to NOT want to play multiplayer.
 
2013-10-02 03:50:49 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: It's like Spore. They ruined it to the point that you'd have to mod it heavily just to make the gameplay fun.


The cell stage was ok.  The creature stage sucked balls and went on for far too long.  Village stage was interesting and just about the right length.  Civilisation stage was WAY too short.  Space stage was just... annoying.

Kinda like Red Alert 3, it was 'ok' as far as the game went.  But the short skirts and deep V necked blouses really put me off... I'd have prefered something more WW2 looking but heavily tailored to the actresses rather than cheap looking costumes.   That and I brought two copies, was sat less than 4ft away from the other person and could we get a co-op game going?  Could we buggery!

Those are pretty much the last two EA games I brought.
 
2013-10-02 04:05:25 PM

Hebalo: Yeah. No one at EA stopped to consider that people who love city builders tend to NOT want to play multiplayer.


I'm sure they did. The thing is, the new SimCity isn't really a SimCity game, it's a The Sims game disguised as a city builder. EA is hoping that people who buy The Sims (and its stupid amount of add-on content) will do the same thing here.
 
2013-10-02 04:39:44 PM

basscomm: I'm sure they did. The thing is, the new SimCity isn't really a SimCity game, it's a The Sims game disguised as a city builder.


That would actually be a vast improvement over the GlassBox system that revolutionized agent systems by giving the agents no agency.
 
2013-10-02 05:06:48 PM
basscomm:I'm sure they did. The thing is, the new SimCity isn't really a SimCity game, it's a The Sims game disguised as a city builder. EA is hoping that people who buy The Sims (and its stupid amount of add-on content) will do the same thing here.

And SimsCity as it were would of actually been pretty awesome, especially with each Sim being an agent with their own desires, needs and such.  I'd of been pretty alright with a limit of 500 such complex agents per map and it needing to off-load to a server to keep them running.  If they ran right.

But when SimCity (or even SimsCity) fundamentally believes that fire engines work best going in circles... yeah that's shiat either way you look at it really.
 
2013-10-02 05:09:44 PM

Yotto: Hebalo: Not sure why EA went all in on stupidity and multi-player.

Multiplayer is the future! Every game needs it! And always online! People play Peggle on Facebook and that's always online! This is exactly like that! Except it's $60 and not fun at all!


Look, do you know how many design paradigms EA challenged when creating Sim City? So many that it also yanked everyone out of the box. Their goals with this game were multi-faceted, and there will always be some growing pains when you're trying to simultaneously engage your base customer, while also trying to actualize inroads to new demographics. A game in this day and age not only has to engage the consumer, it also must lend itself to monitization and other non-traditional revenue models.
 
2013-10-02 05:12:38 PM
EA's just disappointed that you can still log in. Or, at least acts like it..
 
2013-10-02 05:36:10 PM

Somaticasual: EA's just disappointed that you can still log in. Or, at least acts like it..


You just know that somewhere in EA is a countdown timer to when the servers are shut down.  I suspect sometime in the next 12 - 18 months at most it'll hit 0.
 
2013-10-02 05:44:46 PM

Hebalo: fluffy2097: Snapper Carr: I'm perfectly happy playing SC4 (which is pretty much completely moddable)

SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.

Just turn off shadows and it runs like a dream on any modern machine.

And lots of great custom stuff and mods for it.

And the Cities series is great as well. Not sure why EA went all in on stupidity and multi-player.


Because that's what made SimCity great - multiplayer mode.
 
2013-10-02 06:05:01 PM

Russ1642: Hebalo: fluffy2097: Snapper Carr: I'm perfectly happy playing SC4 (which is pretty much completely moddable)

SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.

Just turn off shadows and it runs like a dream on any modern machine.

And lots of great custom stuff and mods for it.

And the Cities series is great as well. Not sure why EA went all in on stupidity and multi-player.

Because that's what made SimCity great - multiplayer mode.


I'll murder a biatch if anyone tries to do that with Tropico.
 
2013-10-02 06:06:11 PM
SimCity4's mod-ability gave that game years of additional life for me. At the time I thought "I wish EA would take a bunch of these mods & package them. I'd happily pay EA for that".

Not only did modders make pretty new buildings, they also created really useful tools, too!  Hole-digging tools, slope tools, beach tools ... And they made improvements to the wonky existing stuff.

I'll play the new SimCity some day, I'm not a hater, I just can't see what's so interesting about it. It just ... looks so much like Sim City Social.
 
2013-10-02 06:16:24 PM
Battlefield 3 was the last EA game I bought, and while I got a few hundred hours out of it, the thrill of the series was gone. The faux-Facebook launch screen I found annoying, and the little glitches started to add on my annoyance. Aside from maybe being curious on how they've brought back the team commander from BF2 and 2142 in the upcoming Battlefield 4, I can't see myself buying it.

Looking at the EA titles I have on a nearby shelf ...

Battlefield Bad Company 2 -- OK, didn't really recapture the BF2 magic though.

The Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth 2 -- A C&C Generals mod that was overpriced. Not a bad game though.

C&C Generals: Zero Hour -- Beautiful idea, but Exhibit A in EA's quality assurance (or more aptly, lack of it) farking up a beautiful thing. The game was shipped incomplete and online stability when not on a LAN or using mods sucked.

Medal of Honor: Allied Assault -- The last good Medal of Honor game. Not much replay value though. Still play the Mp3s from the game.

I have an unopened Crysis a friend gave me years ago while my hand was healing from surgery; debated on whether to play that or not or just sell it on Ebay one of these years.

The Sims 3 (a $10 buy on now defunct Fileplanet) -- A farking waste. Game locked up 15 minutes into playing each time and seemed to be screaming "Hey, buy more DLC s--t!" for the time it did run. I try to tell myself I just wasted the equivalent of five minutes at a slot machine or one night's meal.

Mass Effect 2 -- Not bad. The ME3 horror stories (and my hand injury) had me decide on not continuing Shep's story.

Command & Conquer 3: I can see EA's pitchman saying, "Hey, we brought Kane back for you obnoxious Tiberium lore f--ks that hated C&C Generals! Too bad we didn't even bring half the game that made C&C Red Alert 1, 2 & 3 fun! But here's KANE!"
 
2013-10-02 06:17:41 PM
BTW, haven't played any Sim City games since the Super Nintendo one. Which one should I pick up on Steam or GoG, or should I just stick with Civ 4/5?
 
2013-10-02 06:51:55 PM

fluffy2097: Detinwolf: fluffy2097: SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.

I did not know this.  I thought it was restricted to one core.  I'll have to boot it up again!

It's a command line switch. It can also run in a few different resolutions from the command line as well.

I forget what those commands are though. It's been a while since I've played too.


I've read that multicore is a mixed bag for simCity 4. Some people have to force it to 1 core to get it to work right and others have no problems. The wierd thing is it doesn't seem to run much better on a modern system. I used to play it on an old laptop and now I play it on a computer that blows the laptop away in literally every aspect yet SimCity 4 performs only slightly better. It is really quite strange.
 
2013-10-02 07:17:18 PM

jayhawk88: Yotto: Hebalo: Not sure why EA went all in on stupidity and multi-player.

Multiplayer is the future! Every game needs it! And always online! People play Peggle on Facebook and that's always online! This is exactly like that! Except it's $60 and not fun at all!

Look, do you know how many design paradigms EA challenged when creating Sim City? So many that it also yanked everyone out of the box. Their goals with this game were multi-faceted, and there will always be some growing pains when you're trying to simultaneously engage your base customer, while also trying to actualize inroads to new demographics. A game in this day and age not only has to engage the consumer, it also must lend itself to monitization and other non-traditional revenue models.


I'm an industry dev as well, and I completely agree with you in principle.  However, the problem is that as a product, Sim City failed to hit these goals.  The execution was bad, and rather than continue to confuse the execution with the ambition, they should call it a wash, open the damn thing up, and try again next time.
 
2013-10-02 07:32:08 PM
Hindsight is 20/20, but who actually bought this game? My memory isn't the best but weren't there massive warning signs before the game was released? Did people just decide not to do any research or did they see and ignore the warnings?
 
2013-10-02 07:36:12 PM
The only multiplayer-focused EA game worth playing:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-02 07:55:18 PM

fluffy2097: Detinwolf: fluffy2097: SC4 is better in every single way. It even is capable of using up to 4 cpu cores at once.

I did not know this.  I thought it was restricted to one core.  I'll have to boot it up again!

It's a command line switch. It can also run in a few different resolutions from the command line as well.

I forget what those commands are though. It's been a while since I've played too.


http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=15829.0

Here's a mod that does it all for you!
 
2013-10-02 07:57:07 PM
 
2013-10-02 08:10:53 PM
a.fsdn.com
 
2013-10-02 08:21:09 PM

mooseyfate: usttsdw: mooseyfate: Wait, so you're telling me that the same company that doesn't give a shiat about it's employees or products also doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers? Why do people buy EA titles, again? Where's the redeeming qualities? Stop. Buying. EA shiat.

Yea. Pretty much this.

/haven't purchased an EA product in years.

I was looking through my titles the other day. I only have a few EA titles. Mass Effect series, Madden 10 (or 11. Can't remember, only bought it for the Superbowl Saints), and Fight Night Champion. And I'll never buy another EA title again. Even though I love the Fight Night series, they're never getting another dime out of me.


I stuck fight night 08 into my ps3 the other day. Seems as though EA helpfully broke the game on me since I last played it. Crashes and burns when trying to do anything with the career mode.

Thanks EA. I couldn't do it without you...
 
2013-10-02 09:16:49 PM

Lanadapter: [a.fsdn.com image 850x637]


Thanks for reminding me how badly the original SimCity sucked.  For once, the console port actually made an otherwise PITA and dreary game worthwhile.  Still played the hell out of the Mac version in middle school, for lack of much else to do.
 
2013-10-02 10:57:39 PM

usttsdw: mooseyfate: Wait, so you're telling me that the same company that doesn't give a shiat about it's employees or products also doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers? Why do people buy EA titles, again? Where's the redeeming qualities? Stop. Buying. EA shiat.

Yea. Pretty much this.

/haven't purchased an EA product in years.


The combination of ME3's ending and Origin's utter shiat interface (and the required use thereof) was the kill for me.

It was just icing on the shiat cake when I learned that consumers, and EA itself, 'could not' delete credit card numbers from Origin. Flat out could not be done in any form or fashion according to EA.
 
rpm
2013-10-02 10:57:42 PM

Gordon Bennett: The only multiplayer-focused EA game worth playing:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 512x512]


Nope, not the only one.

upload.wikimedia.org

/Course they both have the same EA logo on 'em.
 
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