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(The Daily Caller)   Your 2016 Presidential ballot could be: (D)- H. Clinton / A. Cuomo, (R)- C. Christie / M. Rubio, and (I) J. Ventura / H. Stern   (dailycaller.com) divider line 46
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2013-10-02 11:59:32 AM
So with all this grandstanding Cruz still won't get a nomination?
 
2013-10-02 11:59:52 AM
And in that year I could turn into a 6' tall muscular and sexy male anthropomorphic otter.

Its slightly more likely.
 
2013-10-02 12:01:18 PM
i13.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-02 12:05:12 PM
Ventura has made noise about running before, and nothing ever came of it. It's a time honored attention whore move I like to call "the Trump". 

Besides, Gary Johnson will also be on the ballot in 2016, assuming he runs again (fairly certain).
 
2013-10-02 12:06:52 PM
Didn't Ventura do alright as governor?
 
2013-10-02 12:07:13 PM
Sounds like a good reason yo stay home to me.
 
2013-10-02 12:07:35 PM
I hope the GOP nominates Cruz so we can go all birf certificate on his Canadian ass.
 
2013-10-02 12:08:38 PM
9:57 PM 09/30/2013

Today is Wednesday. Link to a current article if this really happened subby.
 
2013-10-02 12:09:01 PM
For D's VP I'd rather have
www.vanityfair.com
but some idiots would say that there would be too much estrogen in the WH. So what?
 
2013-10-02 12:09:02 PM

bhcompy: Didn't Ventura do alright as governor?


Even if he did, he since slipped into crazy conspiracy theory and bad hairdo land.  With a TV show.

Or, as Churchill2004 said - he's pulling a "Trump".
 
2013-10-02 12:09:32 PM
Does the the 'I' stand for 'Idiot'?
 
2013-10-02 12:09:44 PM

bhcompy: Didn't Ventura do alright as governor?


He didn't do much of anything, IIRC, as neither major party would play ball with him in the state legislature.
 
2013-10-02 12:11:09 PM

bhcompy: Didn't Ventura do alright as governor?


He made a lot less noise about conspiracy theory crap back then, though. That's pretty much all he talks about now.
 
2013-10-02 12:11:10 PM
They are probably going for the Trump.  Hope they don't Nader it instead.
 
2013-10-02 12:13:31 PM
(D)- H. Clinton / A. Cuomo

www.catjug.com


Any other liberals who would vote for at least one of the other two tickets if this was what the Dems went with in 2016?
 
2013-10-02 12:13:50 PM
Ventura\Stern FTW. It would be the best thing to ever happen to this great country. The Republicans and Democrats have destroyed the nation with their partisan bickering. Its time for some pragmatism and rational leadership. I invite you all to join me in backing two true American Patriots as they embark on a journey to save the United States.
 
2013-10-02 12:14:08 PM
I'd rather see Nugent run.  Would be all kinds of hilarious, and would fracture the GOP like nobodies business.
 
2013-10-02 12:14:36 PM
Your 2016 Presidential ballot could be: (D)- H. Clinton / A. Cuomo, (R)- C. Christie / M. Rubio, and (I) J. Ventura / H. Stern

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2013-10-02 12:16:18 PM
By the way, not that it completely matters unless we can cleanse the House of morons and hold onto the Senate and also maybe replace some Blue Dogs with actual non-conservatives, but I would want Elizabeth Warren as president first and foremost. It's probably too soon, but she is the only person that I could honestly get fired up to vote for.
 
2013-10-02 12:17:15 PM
As Jesse the Gov he had mixed results.  The good: he chose a lot of good folks from across the spectrum for posts.  The bad: He gutted the rainy-day fund.  I really liked the rainy-day fund because it implemented Keynesian ideas rather nicely.  Spend and cut taxes to boost the economy during a down-turn.  Spend less and raise taxes to slow down the economy during an inflating boom.  Rainy-day fund to act as a buffer.
 
2013-10-02 12:17:49 PM
cuomo is such a douche, a do nothing gov just padding he resume.. bring back the blind guy.
 
2013-10-02 12:18:04 PM

Fark It: (D)- H. Clinton / A. Cuomo

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Any other liberals who would vote for at least one of the other two tickets if this was what the Dems went with in 2016?


I wouldn't go that far, but I would not be particularly excited about voting for Cuomo.
 
2013-10-02 12:18:19 PM
(D)- H. Clinton / A. Cuomo

If that's the Democratic ticket, I just might vote for Jesse Ventura.
 
2013-10-02 12:19:07 PM
Why is the Crypt Keeper wearing a Hendrix shirt?
 
2013-10-02 12:19:09 PM
Clinton and Cuomo can't be on the same ticket- they're both New Yorkers and thus New York's Electors can't vote for both of them. This was a minor issue for Cheney, as he lived in Texas in the time, but it was less of an issue because he'd held elected office in Wyoming and so claimed that as his home state. Hillary Clinton and Andrew Cuomo are/were both statewide elected officeholders in New York.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves... - 12th Amendment
 
2013-10-02 12:20:44 PM
Screw them all. I want Condi/Paul.
/Hey, that would make a good slogan...
 
2013-10-02 12:21:08 PM

bhcompy: Didn't Ventura do alright as governor?


Um, no.
 
2013-10-02 12:22:52 PM
Wait...

Could Clinton and Cuomo even run on the same ticket? I thought Pres and VP had to be from different states.
 
2013-10-02 12:22:57 PM
I have a question about the headline.  It seems that whenever someone lists off potential Democratic nominees for President or VP, Cuomo always appears on the list (assuming it's actually a list and not just Hillary Clinton repeated over and over again).  Why is that?  What makes Cuomo such a compelling candidate?  Is it because the only other Democratic governor to show interest is O'Malley and O'Malley is a farking tool?
 
2013-10-02 12:25:38 PM

llortcM_yllort: I have a question about the headline.  It seems that whenever someone lists off potential Democratic nominees for President or VP, Cuomo always appears on the list (assuming it's actually a list and not just Hillary Clinton repeated over and over again).  Why is that?  What makes Cuomo such a compelling candidate?  Is it because the only other Democratic governor to show interest is O'Malley and O'Malley is a farking tool?


Because New York.

One of these days they'll take a risk and go with a viable candidate west of the continental divide, but that takes them out of blue blood territory
 
2013-10-02 12:26:32 PM

Wendy's Chili: Wait...

Could Clinton and Cuomo even run on the same ticket? I thought Pres and VP had to be from different states.


One of them (presumably Clinton) would have to establish residency in another state first (the Clintons don't maintain a home in Arkansas any more). That would technically suffice as it did for Cheney, but there's a much bigger violation of the spirit of the clause in having a former NY Senator and a NY Governor on the same ticket, as opposed to a TX Governor and a former WY Congressman. I imagine for this reason Clinton wouldn't pick Cuomo, even if she might otherwise.
 
2013-10-02 12:26:33 PM

llortcM_yllort: What makes Cuomo such a compelling candidate?


He's compelling if you're a rich donor who likes tax cuts and hates unions.

O'Malley is a farking tool

What's wrong with O'Malley?
 
2013-10-02 12:26:52 PM

Smelly McUgly: bhcompy: Didn't Ventura do alright as governor?

He didn't do much of anything, IIRC, as neither major party would play ball with him in the state legislature.


I remember temper tantrums. Lots of storming out of various gatherings. "Governing is hard! Why doesn't everyone agree with me?"

Plus, I can't stomach the thought of a president who can't grasp the difference and proper use of 'don't' vs. 'doesn't'
 
2013-10-02 12:29:03 PM

Wendy's Chili: llortcM_yllort: What makes Cuomo such a compelling candidate?

He's compelling if you're a rich donor who likes tax cuts and hates unions.

O'Malley is a farking tool

What's wrong with O'Malley?


I guess you've never watched Yes Dear.
 
2013-10-02 12:33:36 PM

Churchill2004: Clinton and Cuomo can't be on the same ticket- they're both New Yorkers and thus New York's Electors can't vote for both of them. This was a minor issue for Cheney, as he lived in Texas in the time, but it was less of an issue because he'd held elected office in Wyoming and so claimed that as his home state. Hillary Clinton and Andrew Cuomo are/were both statewide elected officeholders in New York.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves... - 12th Amendment


Bill was governor of Arkansas, so maybe she could just claim that as her home state.  How is the home state of presidential candidates established?  Is it determined in the same way as it is for congresspeople?  If so, then it would seem that it would be very easy to circumvent the rules and claim any state as your home state.  In fact, I'm sure former senator Clinton would know a thing or two about having your home state be a completely different place from where you live currently.  I guess a Clinton/Cuomo ticket would at least make for an interesting court case.

bhcompy: llortcM_yllort: I have a question about the headline.  It seems that whenever someone lists off potential Democratic nominees for President or VP, Cuomo always appears on the list (assuming it's actually a list and not just Hillary Clinton repeated over and over again).  Why is that?  What makes Cuomo such a compelling candidate?  Is it because the only other Democratic governor to show interest is O'Malley and O'Malley is a farking tool?

Because New York.

One of these days they'll take a risk and go with a viable candidate west of the continental divide, but that takes them out of blue blood territory


Arkansas is west of the Mississippi and 1992 wasn't that long ago.
 
2013-10-02 12:36:09 PM

Fark It: (D)- H. Clinton / A. Cuomo

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Any other liberals who would vote for at least one of the other two tickets if this was what the Dems went with in 2016?


well since this won't be the ticket i won't be forced to do a write in. or vote green or some super fringe party that sneaks onto the ballot.

how about Warren/Booker? got your women voters, your indian minority which helps with the brown vote, then you've got your black voters. they're both fairly liberal but practical what's not to love.
 
2013-10-02 12:36:20 PM

llortcM_yllort: Bill was governor of Arkansas, so maybe she could just claim that as her home state. How is the home state of presidential candidates established? Is it determined in the same way as it is for congresspeople? If so, then it would seem that it would be very easy to circumvent the rules and claim any state as your home state. In fact, I'm sure former senator Clinton would know a thing or two about having your home state be a completely different place from where you live currently. I guess a Clinton/Cuomo ticket would at least make for an interesting court case.


She has to claim NY as her home state for her Senatorship, and that was already a hotbutton issue at her initial election because her NY status was tenuous at best, but now she's there and she's stuck with it.

llortcM_yllort: Arkansas is west of the Mississippi and 1992 wasn't that long ago.


That's not the continental divide, though.  I'm talking west of the Rockies.
 
2013-10-02 12:42:45 PM

Wendy's Chili: What's wrong with O'Malley?


He cooked the books by arresting as many people as possible for even minor crimes to look tough on crime.  When the NAACP and the ACLU tried to get him to stop, he called them "ideologues of the left."
 
2013-10-02 12:52:32 PM

bhcompy: llortcM_yllort: Bill was governor of Arkansas, so maybe she could just claim that as her home state. How is the home state of presidential candidates established? Is it determined in the same way as it is for congresspeople? If so, then it would seem that it would be very easy to circumvent the rules and claim any state as your home state. In fact, I'm sure former senator Clinton would know a thing or two about having your home state be a completely different place from where you live currently. I guess a Clinton/Cuomo ticket would at least make for an interesting court case.

She has to claim NY as her home state for her Senatorship, and that was already a hotbutton issue at her initial election because her NY status was tenuous at best, but now she's there and she's stuck with it.

llortcM_yllort: Arkansas is west of the Mississippi and 1992 wasn't that long ago.

That's not the continental divide, though.  I'm talking west of the Rockies.


Fair enough.  However, you are complaining that the Democrats refuse to nominate someone who isn't a blue blood.  Bill Clinton in 1992 was not a blue blood and it seems that there is probably another reason no one west of the rockies got nominated.

Who would have made a good presidential candidate in the last 30 years and was from a state west of the rockies?  Let's limit this to just Democrats since the Republicans have nominated two people from west of the divide in that period, which is notable since there have only been seven elections since then.  What western Democrat would have made a good candidate?  Did any western Democrat run during that timespan other than Gary Hart, Jerry Brown, and Bill Richardson?
 
2013-10-02 12:53:26 PM

llortcM_yllort: How is the home state of presidential candidates established?


It isn't, really. As for the terms of the 12th amendment, simply establishing current residency in another state on the day the Electoral College votes in December is sufficient. But as a political reality it's much harder to disclaim attachment to a state that elected you Senator/Governor.

bhcompy: She has to claim NY as her home state for her Senatorship, and that was already a hotbutton issue at her initial election because her NY status was tenuous at best, but now she's there and she's stuck with it.


There's no reason she *couldn't* simply choose to live elsewhere- there's no law requiring ex-Senators to live in the state that elected them. As both a political and practical reality, though, she is unlikely to do so.
 
2013-10-02 12:54:56 PM

llortcM_yllort: bhcompy: llortcM_yllort: Bill was governor of Arkansas, so maybe she could just claim that as her home state. How is the home state of presidential candidates established? Is it determined in the same way as it is for congresspeople? If so, then it would seem that it would be very easy to circumvent the rules and claim any state as your home state. In fact, I'm sure former senator Clinton would know a thing or two about having your home state be a completely different place from where you live currently. I guess a Clinton/Cuomo ticket would at least make for an interesting court case.

She has to claim NY as her home state for her Senatorship, and that was already a hotbutton issue at her initial election because her NY status was tenuous at best, but now she's there and she's stuck with it.

llortcM_yllort: Arkansas is west of the Mississippi and 1992 wasn't that long ago.

That's not the continental divide, though.  I'm talking west of the Rockies.

Fair enough.  However, you are complaining that the Democrats refuse to nominate someone who isn't a blue blood.  Bill Clinton in 1992 was not a blue blood and it seems that there is probably another reason no one west of the rockies got nominated.

Who would have made a good presidential candidate in the last 30 years and was from a state west of the rockies?  Let's limit this to just Democrats since the Republicans have nominated two people from west of the divide in that period, which is notable since there have only been seven eight elections since then.  What western Democrat would have made a good candidate?  Did any western Democrat run during that timespan other than Gary Hart, Jerry Brown, and Bill Richardson?


FTFM.  I should learn to count.
 
2013-10-02 01:44:07 PM

llortcM_yllort: Who would have made a good presidential candidate in the last 30 years and was from a state west of the rockies? Let's limit this to just Democrats since the Republicans have nominated two people from west of the divide in that period, which is notable since there have only been seven elections since then. What western Democrat would have made a good candidate? Did any western Democrat run during that timespan other than Gary Hart, Jerry Brown, and Bill Richardson?


Why is it notable?  California is the most populous state by far.  2 in 8 is notable because of how low it is.

And, mostly, I'm talking about running mates, as there are no distinctive candidates at this moment.  While there have been a number of presidential candidates, like you listed, it would make more sense as a running mate given the number of tenured Democrats in Congress and Mexican Democrats in general(appealing to the growing voting bloc is always popular in politics).  Just from California: James Hahn, Cruz Bustamante, either of the Sanchez sisters, Pelosi/Boxer/Feinstein are all long tenured members of Congress(much like Biden and Lieberman were when they were chosen), etc. Former governor Gary Locke is well respected, currently the ambassador to China.  Gregiore isn't bad, either.
 
2013-10-02 01:56:42 PM

Churchill2004: Clinton and Cuomo can't be on the same ticket- they're both New Yorkers and thus New York's Electors can't vote for both of them. This was a minor issue for Cheney, as he lived in Texas in the time, but it was less of an issue because he'd held elected office in Wyoming and so claimed that as his home state. Hillary Clinton and Andrew Cuomo are/were both statewide elected officeholders in New York.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves... - 12th Amendment


They very well can.  All that means is that New York's electors would be unable to vote for both.  So New York casts their votes for Clinton and... I don't know, Franken.  This would open up the possibility of Clinton winning the presidency but Cuomo failing to win the vice-presidency if the election were close, but if they wanted to take that risk, they could.
 
2013-10-02 03:23:56 PM
bhcompy: llortcM_yllort: Who would have made a good presidential candidate in the last 30 years and was from a state west of the rockies? Let's limit this to just Democrats since the Republicans have nominated two people from west of the divide in that period, which is notable since there have only been seven elections since then. What western Democrat would have made a good candidate? Did any western Democrat run during that timespan other than Gary Hart, Jerry Brown, and Bill Richardson?

Why is it notable?  California is the most populous state by far.  2 in 8 is notable because of how low it is.


13 out of 50 states are considered to be part of the Western US by the Census bureau (Alaska, Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico).  According to the 2010 US census, these states had a combined population of 71,235,322 (all fifty states plus DC had a population of 308,745,538).  This means that about 26% of the US states with about 23% of the US population produced 25% of the Republican nominees (actually, it's more than 25% if you count each Bush only once).  So I guess I was wrong, it isn't notable.  But it doesn't mean the Republicans have a problem nominating candidates from the western US either.

And, mostly, I'm talking about running mates, as there are no distinctive candidates at this moment.  While there have been a number of presidential candidates, like you listed, it would make more sense as a running mate given the number of tenured Democrats in Congress and Mexican Democrats in general(appealing to the growing voting bloc is always popular in politics).  Just from California: James Hahn, Cruz Bustamante, either of the Sanchez sisters, Pelosi/Boxer/Feinstein are all long tenured members of Congress(much like Biden and Lieberman were when they were chosen), etc. Former governor Gary Locke is well respected, currently the ambassador to China.  Gregiore isn't bad, either.

Let's go through the list here.  Many of the people you listed are not in high enough positions to warrant a VP nod.  Do you know when the last time a major political party nominated a Lt. Governor (much less a former Lt. Governor), a state congresswoman, or a mayor as VP?  I don't because I started checking Wikipedia to find out and got bored after going back to 1952.  The only person during that time period who wasn't a governor or congressman to get a presidential or VP nomination during that period was the guy McGovern grabbed after ditching his old VP after the convention.  So Hahn, Bustamante, and the Sanchez sisters are out.  Pelosi and Feinstein are too polarizing and neither them or Boxer have shown any real interest in the position.  Feinstein will be over 80 by the time the next election happens which puts her in the "too damn old" category.  Locke and Gregiore are, quite frankly, the only serious suggestions in your list and both would be decent candidates.
 
2013-10-02 03:25:21 PM

llortcM_yllort: The only person during that time period who wasn't a governor or congressman to get a presidential or VP nomination during that period was the guy McGovern grabbed after ditching his old VP after the convention.


Bah! I not write so good.
 
2013-10-02 03:42:47 PM

llortcM_yllort: Do you know when the last time a major political party nominated a Lt. Governor (much less a former Lt. Governor), a state congresswoman, or a mayor as VP?  I don't because I started checking Wikipedia to find out and got bored after going back to 1952.  The only person during that time period who wasn't a governor or congressman to get a presidential or VP nomination during that period was the guy McGovern grabbed after ditching his old VP after the convention.  So Hahn, Bustamante, and the Sanchez sisters are ou


Let's try this again since I am apparently a moron.  The Sanchez sisters are not state congresswomen.  First, I'm not sure why you chose these two women out of the many representatives, but I'll assume there is a reason that they are notable.  So Loretta is a member of the Blue Dog caucus and modern day elections are more and more about motivating your base.  The Democratic base is not fond of blue dogs and nominating one will piss it off.  Linda Sanchez isn't talked about for the same reason Marc Pocan or Jerrod Nadler isn't bandied about as a possibility; no one knows who the fark they are and they have no accomplishments.  Honestly, I had no idea who Linda Sanchez was before this, and you can't expect the media to hype an unknown.
 
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