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(Yahoo)   I am become Earth, stealer of moons, devourer of worlds   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 33
    More: Interesting, Earth, Venus, rocky planet, Centrifugal Force, atomic numbers, angular momentum, tidal locking, Planetary Science  
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2013-10-02 12:56:32 PM  
no
 
2013-10-02 01:06:53 PM  
 
2013-10-02 01:07:38 PM  
No indeed. This is Velikovsy level foolishness.
 
2013-10-02 01:09:17 PM  
Actually, the moon was orbiting Venus when it shot out of the great Red Spot on Jupiter, and the Earth snagged it as it was going by.
 
2013-10-02 01:12:11 PM  
The Cheese Gnomes overproduced a a very bad variant of green cheese, then an accidental methane explosion (caused by the smoking cheese stick Gnomes) in the cheese landfill launched a massive amount of bad green cheese into space, where the lack of oxygen kept it from decaying and gave us the moon.  Read a book people.
 
2013-10-02 01:14:33 PM  
Since working with orbital mechanics is a large part of my job, my opinion on this is

NO
 
2013-10-02 01:15:08 PM  
"The giant impact theory is the best theory so far, but we're going to throw out all these other discredited theories just to pad this article to several paragraphs, and even throw in some quotes from an astrophysicist who actually prefers the giant impact hypothesis but thinks we should focus on Venus more."

Thanks, Yahoo. Thanks a lot. Your blog sucks.
 
2013-10-02 01:22:33 PM  
jesus made it
 
2013-10-02 01:30:34 PM  
Well, the earth impact theory for the origin of the moon has some problems. So instead, someone comes up with Venus originally having the moon. Which, amusingly, means we now need a theory of origin of Venus's moon...which would be either capture or impact, with all the same inherent problems that we already had (plus a few more). Then, after you've managed to give Venus a moon through some means - probably by giant impact - you have to come up with a way for it lose that moon...probably by either giant impact or something very large passing very close by. Then you have to explain how a rogue moon settles into an orbit around the earth, which might end up requiring yet another body.

Well that's far more reasonable.
 
2013-10-02 01:30:54 PM  
Damn it. Why did I dare to again read an article on Yahoo News, the hicks version of news, where conjecture is good'nuf.

/Plus all the 'paid' articles that just copy some derp sites.

//Still waiting for the new moon that Earth or Venus may capture in a binary mess: Nibiru
 
2013-10-02 01:47:17 PM  
M-O-O-N... that spells capture!!
 
2013-10-02 01:49:36 PM  
Do we know yet if the isotopes on Mars are different from those on Earth or the moon? Our solar system is presumably made from recycled parts, based on the amount of heavier elements in the near planets and asteroids. So why wouldn't there be similar isotopes throughout the system?
 
2013-10-02 02:00:23 PM  
I always thought that due to the moon's large size (Earth has the largest moon, in terms of relative size of planet:moon), that the moon is just too damn big for the Earth to slow it down enough to grab it.
 
2013-10-02 02:10:10 PM  

hawcian: Well, the earth impact theory for the origin of the moon has some problems. So instead, someone comes up with Venus originally having the moon. Which, amusingly, means we now need a theory of origin of Venus's moon...which would be either capture or impact, with all the same inherent problems that we already had (plus a few more). Then, after you've managed to give Venus a moon through some means - probably by giant impact - you have to come up with a way for it lose that moon...probably by either giant impact or something very large passing very close by. Then you have to explain how a rogue moon settles into an orbit around the earth, which might end up requiring yet another body.

Well that's far more reasonable.


It's like those "aliens seeded the earth!" nitwits when asked how life started. They haven't answered teh question. They've just added another useless layer.
 
2013-10-02 02:14:44 PM  

hawcian: Well, the earth impact theory for the origin of the moon has some problems. So instead, someone comes up with Venus originally having the moon. Which, amusingly, means we now need a theory of origin of Venus's moon...which would be either capture or impact, with all the same inherent problems that we already had (plus a few more). Then, after you've managed to give Venus a moon through some means - probably by giant impact - you have to come up with a way for it lose that moon...probably by either giant impact or something very large passing very close by. Then you have to explain how a rogue moon settles into an orbit around the earth, which might end up requiring yet another body.

Well that's far more reasonable.


See, God doesn't play dice with the world, He plays pool.
 
2013-10-02 02:16:58 PM  
What about the whalers, huh?  Where did they come from?
 
2013-10-02 02:48:05 PM  

m1ke: What about the whalers, huh?  Where did they come from?


And how did they carry harpoons when there are no trees to make them from?
 
2013-10-02 02:52:41 PM  
He has a theory . . .

www.blackgate.com

\\ only time I rooted for Eagles . . . well ,then and Tolkein
 
2013-10-02 02:54:19 PM  

escherblacksmith: He has a theory . . .

[www.blackgate.com image 350x282]

\\ only time I rooted for Eagles . . . well ,then and Tolkein


I had a nice model Eagle when I as a kid.
 
2013-10-02 02:56:25 PM  

MadMattressMack: m1ke: What about the whalers, huh?  Where did they come from?

And how did they carry harpoons when there are no trees to make them from?


Boy, you guys are stupid. They made everything on Earth and sailed to the Moon in their boat.
 
2013-10-02 02:59:48 PM  

simplicimus: escherblacksmith: He has a theory . . .

[www.blackgate.com image 350x282]

\\ only time I rooted for Eagles . . . well ,then and Tolkein

I had a nice model Eagle when I as a kid.


I made an Eagle out of of LEGO bricks.

I was soooo in love with Helena. Barbara Bain was gorgeous.
 
2013-10-02 03:10:05 PM  

theorellior: MadMattressMack: m1ke: What about the whalers, huh?  Where did they come from?

And how did they carry harpoons when there are no trees to make them from?

Boy, you guys are stupid. They made everything on Earth and sailed to the Moon in their boat.


I thought that was just one of the tall tales they tell.
 
2013-10-02 03:17:34 PM  

escherblacksmith: \\ only time I rooted for Eagles . . . well ,then and Tolkein


That's a lovely analog clock on that panel of blinkenlights.
 
2013-10-02 03:29:25 PM  

theorellior: escherblacksmith: \\ only time I rooted for Eagles . . . well ,then and Tolkein

That's a lovely analog clock on that panel of blinkenlights.


Probably Atomic Quartz movement

\\ good times
 
2013-10-02 03:34:38 PM  

roughridersfan: simplicimus: escherblacksmith: He has a theory . . .

[www.blackgate.com image 350x282]

\\ only time I rooted for Eagles . . . well ,then and Tolkein

I had a nice model Eagle when I as a kid.

I made an Eagle out of of LEGO bricks.

I was soooo in love with Helena. Barbara Bain was gorgeous.


Had the 3 foot Eagle toy when I was a kid.  Still had the command module and the engines when I moved out on my own.  The rest having been destroyed when my brother ran over it on his bike.  Later had the eagle model and the Mk-IX Hawk.

All that aside, I haven't heard anything better than the impact theory yet.  The thing that I wonder about though is whether lunar rocks have been/can be tested to see if their material is terrestrial in origin.  If that could be done it would pretty much lock down the impact theory.
 
2013-10-02 04:09:45 PM  

simplicimus: See, God doesn't play dice with the world, He plays pool.


Wrong guy.

upload.wikimedia.org

Dave "Cinzano Bianco" Lister.

Once he's on the table, you can't get rid of him.
 
2013-10-02 05:16:39 PM  
We're on the moon and Earth actually has no atmosphere
 
2013-10-02 05:44:42 PM  
If Venus had a moon at some point in the past, and something caused its orbit to become unstable and it collided with the planet, that would seem to explain why Venus rotates in retrograde and has no stable geologic activity, despite being a similar size and composition to Earth. It might also explain the apparent massive resurfacing of the planet's crust and the mega-volcanism that produced its nightmarish conditions.

It'd be ironic if that destabilizing influence was the Earth-Moon system.
 
2013-10-02 05:56:27 PM  
So the guy presenting on this is not a supporter of the concept, he was just talking about it. Probably one of several people making presentations on alternate hypotheses and running down the data that supported and undermined each hypothesis at the conference. Not much to support this concept. But it's out there in popular thinking and it is important for scientists who deal with the public to understand why such ideas are implausible.

It is always good to review things like this, sometimes new data could give new plausibility to previously dismissed ideas. In this case, the only thing that happened was that it was picked up by a Yahoo news contributor and put on the internet. Again.

The only meaningful data could be the composition of Venus. That's going to be a hard nut to crack though, so this won't be definitely dismissed from consideration for a while.
 
2013-10-02 07:02:14 PM  
Pretty sure it was Minerva's moon before it was Earth's.

/obscure
 
2013-10-02 07:04:54 PM  
no
 
2013-10-02 07:15:08 PM  
The moon is there to prevent the Annunaki to return to Earth, alongside the Van Allen Belt.
 
2013-10-03 11:06:29 AM  

Memoryalpha: All that aside, I haven't heard anything better than the impact theory yet. The thing that I wonder about though is whether lunar rocks have been/can be tested to see if their material is terrestrial in origin. If that could be done it would pretty much lock down the impact theory.


Seems as if I've heard that after analysis, moon rocks were found to be identical to earth rocks, only they were super heated.
 
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