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2013-10-02 09:57:42 AM
I believe in unidentified flying objects.  I just don't believe that they are extra-terrestrial spacecraft.
 
2013-10-02 10:12:56 AM
www.unsolvedrealm.com

Die Glocke came back?
 
2013-10-02 10:16:13 AM
Aliens could do a lot better than studying the anal pleasuring habits of midwestern hicks.
 
2013-10-02 10:25:15 AM
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2013-10-02 10:25:28 AM
Aliens have visited earth, but they only talk to the most advanced lifeforms like ants and dolphins.
 
2013-10-02 10:28:01 AM

Egoy3k: I believe in unidentified flying objects. I just don't believe that they are extra-terrestrial spacecraft.


I believe this is a post. I just don't believe it is intelligently controlled.

The reason people think alien visitation is so unlikely or 'out there' is simply because the media has conditioned them to think that. There is nothing inherently outrageous or crazy about the idea.

And here's another way to think about it. There are several hundred different questionable things you have to accept in order to dismiss every single alien or UFO sighting. Everything from experienced military pilots mistaking Venus for a large metal craft flying around their plane at high speed, to bizarre theories about mass hallucinations or swamp gas. But simply accepting we are being visited explains them all. That makes it the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions, and the one Occam's Razor would favor.
 
2013-10-02 10:28:46 AM
www.scifiscoop.com
 
2013-10-02 10:44:04 AM
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2013-10-02 10:44:38 AM
That was pretty freaky.  As far as UFO videos go, I'm still partial to the UFO over Jerusalem.
 
2013-10-02 10:45:10 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Egoy3k: I believe in unidentified flying objects. I just don't believe that they are extra-terrestrial spacecraft.

I believe this is a post. I just don't believe it is intelligently controlled.

The reason people think alien visitation is so unlikely or 'out there' is simply because the media has conditioned them to think that. There is nothing inherently outrageous or crazy about the idea.

And here's another way to think about it. There are several hundred different questionable things you have to accept in order to dismiss every single alien or UFO sighting. Everything from experienced military pilots mistaking Venus for a large metal craft flying around their plane at high speed, to bizarre theories about mass hallucinations or swamp gas. But simply accepting we are being visited explains them all. That makes it the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions, and the one Occam's Razor would favor.


You know, I think you may have convinced me. That was actually not a bad point.
 
2013-10-02 10:46:46 AM

flaminio: [imgs.xkcd.com image 394x213]


There's all kinds of UFO videos added to youtube daily.

You just wouldn't know it if your only contact with the world is through fox or CNN.
 
2013-10-02 11:01:09 AM

baronbloodbath: That was pretty freaky.  As far as UFO videos go, I'm still partial to the UFO over Jerusalem.


Mecca was the site of the last landing. Truefact.
 
2013-10-02 11:04:17 AM
On the bright side we are finally getting some videos that are either a) a hoax or b) an actual "UFO" in the classic sense of the term. Even though this particular video is likely a hoax, at least it's not something like a weather balloon or a plane that looks strange due to a digital camera aberration. And as J. Frank Parnell said, even when you dismiss 90% or more of the sightings, there are still just too many out there that cannot be dismissed, many involving multiple trained witnesses or multiple independently verifiable sightings (the Phoenix Lights case comes to mind).

If I were to wager a guess I would probably go with time travelers rather than aliens. They are interested in us, but very shy and elusive. And the description of "the greys" does not seem far off of what a far evolved human might look like. Imagine if you will that in the future this is not uncommon for people to go for little time vacations in their various machines. It would be like how we have Fords and Toyotas now. Many would be scientists ("We should get a DNA sample from that cow.") and some might be bumbling tourists ("Oh crap! That human just saw us! Oh shiat, causality! Run! Run!"). One could even argue that it might better explain why these things seem so relatively slow and clumsy compared to something that can travel across galaxies to get here, and why they seem to so easily defy physics by doing such things as winking out of existence.

i.imgur.com

"Aww, crap. We're gonna get sooooooo in trouble if mom finds out we took the ship out again."


/just a whimsical theory, an alternate to the alien one.
//sadly, I rather have the suspicion that, while there are indeed advanced alien cultures elsewhere in the universe, the speed of light simply cannot be broken and space is just too damn big for any practical contact between species.
 
2013-10-02 11:04:58 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Egoy3k: I believe in unidentified flying objects. I just don't believe that they are extra-terrestrial spacecraft.

I believe this is a post. I just don't believe it is intelligently controlled.

The reason people think alien visitation is so unlikely or 'out there' is simply because the media has conditioned them to think that. There is nothing inherently outrageous or crazy about the idea.

And here's another way to think about it. There are several hundred different questionable things you have to accept in order to dismiss every single alien or UFO sighting. Everything from experienced military pilots mistaking Venus for a large metal craft flying around their plane at high speed, to bizarre theories about mass hallucinations or swamp gas. But simply accepting we are being visited explains them all. That makes it the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions, and the one Occam's Razor would favor.


I'll bite,

The simplest explanation, sure, except for the whole "traveling faster than the speed of light is impossible" part.
 
2013-10-02 11:13:32 AM

Zombalupagus: If I were to wager a guess I would probably go with time travelers rather than aliens.


The new hotness is UFOs being extra-dimensional. Well, it's not a new theory, but it's gaining more and more ground.

drewsclues: The simplest explanation, sure, except for the whole "traveling faster than the speed of light is impossible" part.


It is entirely impossible for man to rise into the air and float there. For this you would need wings of tremendous dimensions and they would have to be moved at three feet per second. Only a fool would expect such a thing to be realized.
- Joseph de Lalande, member of the French Academy
 
2013-10-02 11:38:43 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Zombalupagus: If I were to wager a guess I would probably go with time travelers rather than aliens.

The new hotness is UFOs being extra-dimensional. Well, it's not a new theory, but it's gaining more and more ground.

drewsclues: The simplest explanation, sure, except for the whole "traveling faster than the speed of light is impossible" part.

It is entirely impossible for man to rise into the air and float there. For this you would need wings of tremendous dimensions and they would have to be moved at three feet per second. Only a fool would expect such a thing to be realized.
- Joseph de Lalande, member of the French Academy


So lets get this straight then... Aliens, or time-travelers, or whatever, mastered the laws of universe, but they couldn't figure to NOT put gigantic disco lights on their space-crafts?  Really? Are you sure you want to go with that?
 
2013-10-02 11:58:52 AM

J. Frank Parnell: I believe this is a post. I just don't believe it is intelligently controlled.

derp


If you think that the overcoming vastness of time and space between interstellar bodies is more trivial than confusing our primate eyes and brain that are wired to interpret minute signs as possible threats then I don't really see the point in continuing this discussion.
 
2013-10-02 12:15:22 PM
I all makes sense if you just understand, that it's not the goal of aliens to hide from us, neither it is to contact us, but just to make those mysterious appearances for mysterious reasons. So they have figured the laws of the universe and they've decided to show us - not themselves, of course, but whatever they want us to see, for their mysterious reasons.

You see, once you'll accept 2 simple premises: they are all-powerful and they move in mysterious ways - it all makes perfect sense. Everything in the world has the single simplest explanation: it's them moving in their mysterious ways.

That's why Occam's Razor demands, that the answer to any scientific mystery was "Jesus did it." Any other "scientific" explanation would be more complex than "Jesus did it" and therefore against Occam's Razor.

Of course, the actual words of Occam's Razor are "do not multiply entities beyond necessary", so if explanation, however complex, can be achieved without introduction of a new entity it's preferable to simple explanation, involving a newly created for that explanation entity; but that would mean that by introducing a new entity - aliens - into the situation explainable, however complex, without it, we are going against Occam's Razor. So we'll just use our own uneducated version of Occam's Razor and hope that nobody will notice...
 
2013-10-02 12:24:55 PM
Given the quality of the video and lack of reference points, that could have been anything from UFOs to someone filming glowing shiat in a petri dish.
 
2013-10-02 12:54:18 PM
Since this is Germany, it can only mean one thing:
The Frogs are back, the paper clips are on the attack again!
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2013-10-02 01:56:34 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Egoy3k: I believe in unidentified flying objects. I just don't believe that they are extra-terrestrial spacecraft.

I believe this is a post. I just don't believe it is intelligently controlled.

The reason people think alien visitation is so unlikely or 'out there' is simply because the media has conditioned them to think that. There is nothing inherently outrageous or crazy about the idea.

And here's another way to think about it. There are several hundred different questionable things you have to accept in order to dismiss every single alien or UFO sighting. Everything from experienced military pilots mistaking Venus for a large metal craft flying around their plane at high speed, to bizarre theories about mass hallucinations or swamp gas. But simply accepting we are being visited explains them all. That makes it the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions, and the one Occam's Razor would favor.


Not really. Take the old example of the clock on the wall: there are hundreds of tiny metal pieces and chemicals and a vibrating crystal that somehow makes the hands turn vs there's a guy in the wall moving the hands. Obviously the second one is "simpler", but not really - because you have to then ask questions like "how does he eat?" and "doesn't he get bored?"

Same with aliens and UFOs. Yeah, there have been thousands of sightings, but each one doesn't require discounting all of the possible explanations, only one. Do experienced pilots often mistake Venus for something else? Not very often, but of the millions of experienced pilots across millions of flights, all it takes are one or two. Saying "visitation explains it all" just raises further questions if you take a step back: how did they get here? Why do they behave so irrationally? How do they apparently violate fundamental laws of physics?
 
2013-10-02 02:06:21 PM
Also, I'm really hoping that I live in the time that one of the following things happens (ranked from what I believe to be most likely to least):

- We figure out a Theory of Everything and solve physics
- We develop true Strong AI
- We discover unintelligent life elsewhere in our solar system
- We make contact with extraterrestrial intelligence
- Have incontrovertible proof of ghosts or miracles
- The coming of the Messiah, the Second Coming of Jesus, the coming of the Mahdi, the incarnation of Vishnu as Kalki, the coming of the next Buddha

Note that the last two I believe are impossible, so they're pretty dang unlikely in my mind. The one above that is only slightly more likely to me, but would be awesome. The others I think we could either do or rule out within the next eighty years.
 
2013-10-02 02:25:35 PM
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Hey HuffPo, ever heard of a tricopter?

www.villalachouette.de

Oh look, here's one with LEDs.
 
2013-10-02 02:29:09 PM
I hope aliens do exist and do destroy earth just so we're rid of the goddamned street light meme
 
2013-10-02 03:08:11 PM

Thurston Howell: [imagemacros.files.wordpress.com image 324x435]

Hey HuffPo, ever heard of a tricopter?

[www.villalachouette.de image 850x498]

Oh look, here's one with LEDs.


THIS
 
2013-10-02 05:40:01 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Egoy3k: I believe in unidentified flying objects. I just don't believe that they are extra-terrestrial spacecraft.

I believe this is a post. I just don't believe it is intelligently controlled.

The reason people think alien visitation is so unlikely or 'out there' is simply because the media has conditioned them to think that. There is nothing inherently outrageous or crazy about the idea.

And here's another way to think about it. There are several hundred different questionable things you have to accept in order to dismiss every single alien or UFO sighting. Everything from experienced military pilots mistaking Venus for a large metal craft flying around their plane at high speed, to bizarre theories about mass hallucinations or swamp gas. But simply accepting we are being visited explains them all. That makes it the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions, and the one Occam's Razor would favor.


No other object as been misidentified as a flying saucer more often than the planet Venus.  Even the former leader of your United States of America, James Earl Carter Jr., thought he saw a UFO once... But it's been proven he only saw the planet Venus.

Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. Yet you somehow brazenly declare seeing is believing?   Mister Crikenson, your scientific illiteracy makes me shudder, and I wouldn't flaunt your ignorance by telling anyone that you saw anything last night other than the planet Venus, because if you do, you're a dead man.
 
2013-10-03 03:25:19 AM

Axel_Gear: So lets get this straight then... Aliens, or time-travelers, or whatever, mastered the laws of universe, but they couldn't figure to NOT put gigantic disco lights on their space-crafts?  Really? Are you sure you want to go with that?


What is your theory for when multiple witnesses report craft with glowing lights on them?

There are some that theorize that the lights have something to do with the propulsion. Most of the time they sure don't seem to serve any purpose for illumination. One could argue that if they are indeed aliens they might see in different wavelengths so to them the lights would be invisible (as many wavelengths are to us). But seeing as the kind of light that stars put out across the universe seems pretty consistent it doesn't make much sense for a species to evolve and not be able to detect that light.

In short, all the theories are bad. But as I said there are just too damn many unexplainable sightings. Even Project Blue Book, which was made to debunk this kind of stuff, had way more sightings they couldn't write off than they knew what to do with. So where does that leave us?
 
2013-10-03 10:11:41 AM
The universe is much bigger than we can realisticly comprehend. In this universe, we seem to exist. The odds that we are the ONLY ones here (I'm not going to calculate them) have got to be insanely low. I would expect the odds that one version of life is visiting the other is even lower. But I would not rule it out.
 
2013-10-03 04:02:44 PM
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