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2013-10-02 07:00:45 AM  
Not one new organization has mentioned that, thanks to this shutdown, we servicemembers overseas have to endure sports channel blackouts on AFN. This is an outrage.
 
2013-10-02 07:07:21 AM  
And not one elected official will be inconvenienced in the slightest.

I think that this 'shutdown' will be the one that causes people to realize how inconsequential many elective federal services are.

F8ck Mitch, John, Harry, Nancy and Barry anyway. They've all done nothing for the past five years (Nancy and Harry go back longer) but create the most partisan federal government in forever.
 
2013-10-02 07:07:43 AM  
My job is exempt, but it's fun working but not knowing if we'll actually get paid on time cuz, it's not like federal employees have bills and families to feed, house, and clothe.
 
2013-10-02 07:11:16 AM  

Major Ethanolic: Not one new organization has mentioned that, thanks to this shutdown, we servicemembers overseas have to endure sports channel blackouts on AFN. This is an outrage.


Actually, I have seen that mentioned on NBC, CNN, and BBC.

Seems to be a slight push in the American media to claim that the shutdown isn't that unusual, why, it's almost routine!  That way they don't have to talk about the REASON for the shutdown.
 
2013-10-02 07:13:57 AM  
Get yourself a Mac and don't worry about it.
 
WGJ [TotalFark]
2013-10-02 07:23:44 AM  
From what I've gathered in all of this is the republicans caused the shutdown, but the democrats are enjoying it more.
 
2013-10-02 07:28:45 AM  

WGJ: From what I've gathered in all of this is the republicans caused the shutdown, but the democrats are enjoying it more.


It's like watching a little kid try to hold his breath until he DIES.
 
2013-10-02 07:34:41 AM  
It's all part of the Shock Indoctrination project..disaster capitalism at it's highest point. ref. Naomi Klein
 
2013-10-02 07:36:42 AM  
UsikFark:

It's like watching a little kid try to hold his breath until he DIES.

.... and when that kid dies, his parents blame the kid that is not holding its breath.

A better analogy:

Dems: "Sandwiches for everyone!"
GOP: "No, no sandwiches for everyone!"
Dems: "Sandwiches for Everyone!"
US Prez: "I agree with Dems"
SCOTUS: "I agree with US Prez and Dems"
GOP: "I'm holding my breath until you all agree with me!"
*GOP dies from suffocation*
GOP's Parents: "Why did my poor little helpless GOP  have to die?? Why were you all so cruel to GOP??"
 
2013-10-02 07:36:53 AM  
It looks like most of them are correlated with social conservatives and faux budget hawks b***hing about the social safety net.
 
2013-10-02 07:37:29 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Major Ethanolic: Not one new organization has mentioned that, thanks to this shutdown, we servicemembers overseas have to endure sports channel blackouts on AFN. This is an outrage.

Actually, I have seen that mentioned on NBC, CNN, and BBC.

Seems to be a slight push in the American media to claim that the shutdown isn't that unusual, why, it's almost routine!  That way they don't have to talk about the REASON for the shutdown.


It started with NRO and the Moonie Times, I believe - they were pushing that silly narrative that this happens way more often with a Democratic majority in Congress.


/Sorry, but the partisanship that has poisoned the well has one source and one source only - the conservative echo chamber.  Limbaugh's ilk have been trying to preach a message of ideological purity above actual governance since the late 1980s.
 
2013-10-02 07:44:35 AM  
So...... do I pro-rate my taxes now?
 
2013-10-02 07:44:43 AM  
Maybe we should just wipe the drive and re-install the operating system clean.
 
2013-10-02 07:48:48 AM  
Anybody here got a seaworthy raft that can fit a small family for sale? No, well how about just a Ukrainian bus pass.
 
2013-10-02 07:49:12 AM  

dittybopper: Maybe we should just wipe the drive and re-install the operating system clean.


Upgrade the hardware while we're at it.
 
2013-10-02 07:52:16 AM  

dittybopper: Maybe we should just wipe the drive and re-install the operating system clean.


If only it worked that way.

/Why do we keep electing stubborn anti-progress a holes?
//Right, congress is the opposite of progress.
 
2013-10-02 07:58:04 AM  
A novel way to fix things in DC.

Every election vote for the candidate that spends the least amount of money trying to get elected.

Rinse and repeat as needed to get a government that WORKS.
 
2013-10-02 07:59:02 AM  

EvilVanMan: dittybopper: Maybe we should just wipe the drive and re-install the operating system clean.

If only it worked that way.

/Why do we keep electing stubborn anti-progress a holes?
//Right, congress is the opposite of progress.


Because of their stance on abortion. Nothing indicates ability to budget like a sky god litmus test.
 
2013-10-02 08:00:37 AM  

RDixon: A novel way to fix things in DC.

Every election vote for the candidate that spends the least amount of money trying to get elected.

Rinse and repeat as needed to get a government that WORKS.


I didn't even file. Vote for me.
 
2013-10-02 08:02:10 AM  

UsikFark: RDixon: A novel way to fix things in DC.

Every election vote for the candidate that spends the least amount of money trying to get elected.

Rinse and repeat as needed to get a government that WORKS.

I didn't even file. Vote for me.


You have to file to be a candidate.
 
2013-10-02 08:04:06 AM  

EvilVanMan: dittybopper: Maybe we should just wipe the drive and re-install the operating system clean.

If only it worked that way.

/Why do we keep electing stubborn anti-progress a holes?
//Right, congress is the opposite of progress.


First, I'm going to challenge an assumption of yours:  Sometimes progress isn't.  I think we can all come up with examples of that, no matter where you stand on the ideological spectrum.

Also, we've been electing stubborn a-holes since the founding of the Republic, and probably even before then.  That's actually a feature, not a bug.  I *WANT* stubborn a-holes in there to prevent some things from being passed into law, and part of the cost of that is that sometimes, those stubborn a-holes will prevent things that I want.   The flip side of that, though, is that a Congress that is amenable to compromise on everything is one that is very likely to pass things that you find completely abhorrent.
 
2013-10-02 08:06:31 AM  
Why don't we all just chill the fark out and let our political leaders do what they're supposed to do.

Truth be told, I can see how some can enjoy all this handwringing and fingerpointing, but in the end it's just sport for us.
 
2013-10-02 08:16:14 AM  

upndn: So...... do I pro-rate my taxes now?


No. The Taxed Enough Already party said nothing about paying no tax during their shutdown, so please continue to line their pockets, citizen.
 
2013-10-02 08:17:59 AM  
My suggestion for a compromise.

1. The tax on medical devices goes away (even many Democrats say this is a bad idea) in exchange Congress and their lackeys and assorted boot lickers get to keep their Obamacare exemptions subject to renewal each fiscal year


2. A six month delay in the individual mandate and in exchange Congress otherwise fully funds Obamacare

3. Debt Ceiling negotiations will not be tied to Obamacare in exchange Congress agrees to send a balance budget amendment and line item veto amendment to the states for ratification-or non-ratification (I would like to throw a term limits Amendment in there but I figure that would be pushing)

Other possible give and take items

Food Stamp funding
Obamacare birth control/abortion exemptions for religious reasons

/Just call me Solomon
 
2013-10-02 08:18:32 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: And not one elected official will be inconvenienced in the slightest.

I think that this 'shutdown' will be the one that causes people to realize how inconsequential many elective federal services are.

F8ck Mitch, John, Harry, Nancy and Barry anyway. They've all done nothing for the past five years (Nancy and Harry go back longer) but create the most partisan federal government in forever.


Both sides are bad.  The current partisanship is equally the fault of the Dems and the GOP.  I think the only way to solve this problem is to boot out all the bums and vote in new Republicans to solve it.
 
2013-10-02 08:19:45 AM  

WGJ: From what I've gathered in all of this is the republicans caused the shutdown, but the democrats are enjoying it more.


I am still trying to understand this logic.  Republican controlled House passed a resolution.  Democrat controlled Senate says, "No."

How is this Republican caused?  Doesn't this simply say that both parties suck?
 
2013-10-02 08:21:36 AM  

dittybopper: Maybe we should just wipe the drive and re-install the operating system clean.


It is a hardware issue not a software issue.
 
2013-10-02 08:21:47 AM  

dittybopper: EvilVanMan: dittybopper: Maybe we should just wipe the drive and re-install the operating system clean.

If only it worked that way.

/Why do we keep electing stubborn anti-progress a holes?
//Right, congress is the opposite of progress.

First, I'm going to challenge an assumption of yours:  Sometimes progress isn't.  I think we can all come up with examples of that, no matter where you stand on the ideological spectrum.

Also, we've been electing stubborn a-holes since the founding of the Republic, and probably even before then.  That's actually a feature, not a bug.  I *WANT* stubborn a-holes in there to prevent some things from being passed into law, and part of the cost of that is that sometimes, those stubborn a-holes will prevent things that I want.   The flip side of that, though, is that a Congress that is amenable to compromise on everything is one that is very likely to pass things that you find completely abhorrent.


Indeed.

It seems it's early enough for me to not know better than to stay out of polotics. My half-baked comment about the seeming pointlessness (at least that's what I intended, and I really need more coffee) of re-electing the same people time and time again whilst constantly biatching that congress is the problem with the country fell quite short.

I'll go back to biatching about work and football like the average american.

/Should've stayed in bed
 
2013-10-02 08:22:21 AM  

hasty ambush: My suggestion for a compromise.


I've got one.

Have the House send a clean bill to the Senate, with a couple of non-PPACA related riders.  One would repeal the Hughes Amendment.  The other would remove federal law enforcement dollars provided to states who continue to have either of the following:
1. Magazine capacity restrictions less than 20 rounds, or
2. That will not issue CCW licenses on a "Shall Issue" basis.

Then we'd see just how important the Affordable Care Act is.
 
2013-10-02 08:22:54 AM  

hasty ambush: A six month delay


Why?

If it's such a terrible, terrible thing, what good does delaying it do?

Then:

hasty ambush: 3. Debt Ceiling negotiations will not be tied to Obamacare in exchange Congress agrees to send a balance budget amendment and line item veto amendment to the states for ratification-or non-ratification (I would like to throw a term limits Amendment in there but I figure that would be pushing)


Sure, that makes sense--Let's agree not to cause an artificial crisis if you just give us all of these holy grails we've been salivating over for for years but can't get through a normal legislative process.   That's not at all like saying you won't take a hostage if the targets just hand you over a lot of money you can't make yourself on the open market.  Not at all.
 
2013-10-02 08:25:03 AM  
EvilVanMan: Indeed.

It seems it's early enough for me to not know better than to stay out of polotics. My half-baked comment about the seeming pointlessness (at least that's what I intended, and I really need more coffee) of re-electing the same people time and time again whilst constantly biatching that congress is the problem with the country fell quite short.

I'll go back to biatching about work and football like the average american.

/Should've stayed in bed



No, no, no!  You're an integral part of the process!  The female dogging about the process is part of the process itself.
 
2013-10-02 08:26:11 AM  

Bruce Campbell: I am still trying to understand this logic. Republican controlled House passed a resolution. Democrat controlled Senate says, "No."

How is this Republican caused? Doesn't this simply say that both parties suck?


There's something called "context" and "content" you might want to investigate.
 
2013-10-02 08:26:38 AM  
My guess is that the world wont end.

If it does, then at least the Mayan calendar was only a little out.
 
2013-10-02 08:26:41 AM  
Would you like to restart in safe mode, with no guns and universal free healthcare (recommended)
 
2013-10-02 08:26:53 AM  

hasty ambush: My suggestion for a compromise.

1. The tax on medical devices goes away (even many Democrats say this is a bad idea) in exchange Congress and their lackeys and assorted boot lickers get to keep their Obamacare exemptions subject to renewal each fiscal year


2. A six month delay in the individual mandate and in exchange Congress otherwise fully funds Obamacare

3. Debt Ceiling negotiations will not be tied to Obamacare in exchange Congress agrees to send a balance budget amendment and line item veto amendment to the states for ratification-or non-ratification (I would like to throw a term limits Amendment in there but I figure that would be pushing)

Other possible give and take items

Food Stamp funding
Obamacare birth control/abortion exemptions for religious reasons

/Just call me Solomon


There is no give and take. These would only be concessions. The tea party has nothing to offer not only due to the fact that they don't have a single constructive idea between them all, but also because they are the minority party pretending to be a majority. The citizens of this country voted resoundingly against what they had to offer, and it is only due to their asshole friend Gerry Mander back in 2010 that they hold a house majority.
 
2013-10-02 08:27:51 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: And not one elected official will be inconvenienced in the slightest.

I think that this 'shutdown' will be the one that causes people to realize how inconsequential many elective federal services are.

F8ck Mitch, John, Harry, Nancy and Barry anyway. They've all done nothing for the past five years (Nancy and Harry go back longer) but create the most partisan federal government in forever.


Yeah, you're half right. The problem is not that the federal government is partisan. The problem is that one partisan side thinks it's OK to wreck the economy in order to refight battles they lost at the ballot box. The 2008-09 Congress was one of the most productive in history in terms of amount and significance of legislation passed. The Republican Congresses of 2010 and 2012 have passed virtually NOTHING.
 
2013-10-02 08:36:08 AM  

espiaboricua: UsikFark:

It's like watching a little kid try to hold his breath until he DIES.

.... and when that kid dies, his parents blame the kid that is not holding its breath.

A better analogy:

Dems: "Sandwiches for everyone!"
GOP: "No, no sandwiches for everyone!"
Dems: "Sandwiches for Everyone!"
US Prez: "I agree with Dems"
SCOTUS: "I agree with US Prez and Dems"
GOP: "I'm holding my breath until you all agree with me!"
*GOP dies from suffocation*
GOP's Parents: "Why did my poor little helpless GOP  have to die?? Why were you all so cruel to GOP??"

GOP passes out, falls over striking frontal lobe, goes into a short coma.  Comes to, but with more brain damage.
GOP: "Hey, I've had a vision from gawd when I was out and I've got an even better idea now..."
 
2013-10-02 08:38:40 AM  

Skleenar: There's something called "context" and "content" you might want to investigate.


Not really.  Seems pretty straightforward to me.  If one party can resolve to pass an act via parliamentary procedure, one party should be equally able to void its enforcement via parliamentary procedure.

This is a pissing match going back to the original cloture vote in 2010 on an at the time yet-to-be formed bill.  This confirms to me that, in fact, both parties suck.
 
2013-10-02 08:45:41 AM  

Bruce Campbell: Not really. Seems pretty straightforward to me. If one party can resolve to pass an act via parliamentary procedure, one party should be equally able to void its enforcement via parliamentary procedure.


You're forgetting the fact that "one" party has tried 40 times to void another party's act via parliamentary procedure and failed, and now has decided that what they really need to get their way is to drag the US economy over a cliff to get the leverage they need to attempt yet again to void it.

And add to the mixture that this petulant "party" isn't really a party at all, but just a radical faction within one of the actual parties.

Sure, your way of describing it seems really very logical and even handed.  It just leaves out the important details.
 
2013-10-02 08:46:45 AM  

Bazzlex001: hasty ambush: My suggestion for a compromise.

1. The tax on medical devices goes away (even many Democrats say this is a bad idea) in exchange Congress and their lackeys and assorted boot lickers get to keep their Obamacare exemptions subject to renewal each fiscal year


2. A six month delay in the individual mandate and in exchange Congress otherwise fully funds Obamacare

3. Debt Ceiling negotiations will not be tied to Obamacare in exchange Congress agrees to send a balance budget amendment and line item veto amendment to the states for ratification-or non-ratification (I would like to throw a term limits Amendment in there but I figure that would be pushing)

Other possible give and take items

Food Stamp funding
Obamacare birth control/abortion exemptions for religious reasons

/Just call me Solomon

There is no give and take. These would only be concessions. The tea party has nothing to offer not only due to the fact that they don't have a single constructive idea between them all, but also because they are the minority party pretending to be a majority. The citizens of this country voted resoundingly against what they had to offer, and it is only due to their asshole friend Gerry Mander back in 2010 that they hold a house majority.


So compromise only goes one way? We only have one party in the country and anyone else is a trouble maker? Seriously? Maybe I disagree with the president on this and am happy to have people in Congress to represent my views. My husband even works for the Federal government and we support the shut down. Yes, there are people different from you. This new bill is a mess and I hated the idea when Republicans came up with it in the first place. Why not just focus on providing medical care in extreme cases and for immunizations,etc and leave the rest to the public to decide what to do. Republicans aren't Libertarians and do believe in some government help. That is why they are compromise more than come up with new ideas. Libertarians on the other hand want to strip the government. The older I get the more Libertarian I become.

To be honest, I am sick of the partisan crap on both sides. Michelle Bachman is really getting on my nerves. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi need to retire!
 
2013-10-02 08:49:21 AM  
Crap! That was the worst grammar! I will never post again on three hours sleep! Have to take the baby to the doctor because he was wheezing all night. Seriously though, I am sick of the ignorant comments!
 
2013-10-02 08:49:37 AM  
So our favorite things to shut down the government over are: Abortion, defense spending, Israel, pay, and fundraisers.

Makes PERFECT sense.
 
2013-10-02 08:53:26 AM  

ninotchka: So compromise only goes one way?


That's a little rich considering you are commenting to the person responding to the comment that said the "wise" compromise out of this situation was to give the GOP everything they wanted, and in return they promise, for realsies this time, to not try to destroy full faith and credit of the US government.
 
2013-10-02 08:55:11 AM  
If you look at this list there seems to be a theme...the President, House and Senate all negotiating and coming up with a compromise.  A little give and take from all sides.  That's what makes this time different.  The House Republicans are not negotiating.  They are just sitting there like a spoiled little sh*t holding their breath and stomping their feet like a two year old wanting a toy from the dollar store.
 
2013-10-02 08:58:22 AM  

ninotchka: Why not just focus on providing medical care in extreme cases and for immunizations,etc and leave the rest to the public to decide what to do


Extreme cases?  So basically take the most expensive and high-risk folks and have the government take care of them and let the private sector reap the profits of less risky policy holders?

I'm willing to bet that if there was a national referendum on what to do with respect to health care, we'd have a single payer system.
 
2013-10-02 08:59:56 AM  

Skleenar: ninotchka: So compromise only goes one way?

That's a little rich considering you are commenting to the person responding to the comment that said the "wise" compromise out of this situation was to give the GOP everything they wanted, and in return they promise, for realsies this time, to not try to destroy full faith and credit of the US government.


The GOP already got their compromise--sequester cuts made permanent.  Why are people on the right so quick to forget this?
 
2013-10-02 09:03:13 AM  

Skleenar: Sure, your way of describing it seems really very logical and even handed.


You are correct.  As even handed as a cloture vote on a trillion dollar plus law.
 
2013-10-02 09:14:13 AM  

Bruce Campbell: Skleenar: Sure, your way of describing it seems really very logical and even handed.

You are correct.  As even handed as a cloture vote on a trillion dollar plus law.


Perspective.
 
2013-10-02 09:15:01 AM  
if the people you voted in as your representatives don't give a shiat, why should I?
but, ignore all this bullshiat and keep putting the same idiots in charge of your future.
you get exactly what you deserve
 
2013-10-02 09:18:40 AM  
What happens if the government stays shut down? I mean seriously when I read those previous shut downs they were not over serious idealogical and dogmatic position splits that we have today. So, what happens if the government stays shut down for say six weeks? What happens if in addition no debt ceiling deal is reached? Then after six weeks the 2014 continuing resolution or budget can not be agreed upon?
 
2013-10-02 09:20:07 AM  

Skleenar: ninotchka: So compromise only goes one way?

That's a little rich considering you are commenting to the person responding to the comment that said the "wise" compromise out of this situation was to give the GOP everything they wanted, and in return they promise, for realsies this time, to not try to destroy full faith and credit of the US government.


This.  What exactly is the GOP bringing to the table to compromise with?  ACA has already been lawfully passed, withstood dozens of repeal attempts, survived review by SCOTUS and in the most recent election, the candidate who vowed to repeal it lost decisively.  It's about as fully vetted as any law can be and the losers need to just get over it.

As to real compromise, how about this?  Delay implementation for 6 months in exchange for increasing income and capital gains taxes on the wealthy for the same time frame.  That way both sides are giving concessions.
 
2013-10-02 09:23:06 AM  

ninotchka: Crap! That was the worst grammar! I will never post again on three hours sleep! Have to take the baby to the doctor because he was wheezing all night. Seriously though, I am sick of the ignorant comments!


Maybe if you spend more time posting online, you can help people to be not-ignorant.
 
2013-10-02 09:25:40 AM  

Mandapants: ninotchka: Crap! That was the worst grammar! I will never post again on three hours sleep! Have to take the baby to the doctor because he was wheezing all night. Seriously though, I am sick of the ignorant comments!

Maybe if you spend more time posting online, you can help people to be not-ignorant.


yourenothelping.jpg
 
2013-10-02 09:25:58 AM  

ninotchka: Bazzlex001: hasty ambush: My suggestion for a compromise.

1. The tax on medical devices goes away (even many Democrats say this is a bad idea) in exchange Congress and their lackeys and assorted boot lickers get to keep their Obamacare exemptions subject to renewal each fiscal year


2. A six month delay in the individual mandate and in exchange Congress otherwise fully funds Obamacare

3. Debt Ceiling negotiations will not be tied to Obamacare in exchange Congress agrees to send a balance budget amendment and line item veto amendment to the states for ratification-or non-ratification (I would like to throw a term limits Amendment in there but I figure that would be pushing)

Other possible give and take items

Food Stamp funding
Obamacare birth control/abortion exemptions for religious reasons

/Just call me Solomon

There is no give and take. These would only be concessions. The tea party has nothing to offer not only due to the fact that they don't have a single constructive idea between them all, but also because they are the minority party pretending to be a majority. The citizens of this country voted resoundingly against what they had to offer, and it is only due to their asshole friend Gerry Mander back in 2010 that they hold a house majority.

So compromise only goes one way? We only have one party in the country and anyone else is a trouble maker? Seriously? Maybe I disagree with the president on this and am happy to have people in Congress to represent my views. My husband even works for the Federal government and we support the shut down. Yes, there are people different from you. This new bill is a mess and I hated the idea when Republicans came up with it in the first place. Why not just focus on providing medical care in extreme cases and for immunizations,etc and leave the rest to the public to decide what to do. Republicans aren't Libertarians and do believe in some government help. That is why they are compromise more than come up with new ideas. Libertarians on the other hand want to strip the government. The older I get the more Libertarian I become.

To be honest, I am sick of the partisan crap on both sides. Michelle Bachman is really getting on my nerves. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi need to retire!


It wouldn't be compromise, it would be extortion. Compromise would be Boehner bringing a clean CR to a vote, which has bipartisan support to pass the House.

This isn't about compromise, it is about a minority element within the GOP holding the rest of the country hostage unless they get what they want. And I don't believe over half of the population should be governed by the will of 20 percent of it. Especially when that 20 percent is as classically unfit to govern as people like Michelle Bachmann.
 
2013-10-02 09:26:29 AM  

hasty ambush: My suggestion for a compromise.

1. The tax on medical devices goes away (even many Democrats say this is a bad idea) in exchange Congress and their lackeys and assorted boot lickers get to keep their Obamacare exemptions subject to renewal each fiscal year


2. A six month delay in the individual mandate and in exchange Congress otherwise fully funds Obamacare

3. Debt Ceiling negotiations will not be tied to Obamacare in exchange Congress agrees to send a balance budget amendment and line item veto amendment to the states for ratification-or non-ratification (I would like to throw a term limits Amendment in there but I figure that would be pushing)

Other possible give and take items

Food Stamp funding
Obamacare birth control/abortion exemptions for religious reasons

/Just call me Solomon


Problem there sport is the ACA is fully funded, it is a mandate, i.e. non-discretionary spending. The whole reason this pissing match is happening is because the Republitards wand to re-write the ACA to be discretionary funding, so they can kill it in the budgetary process. Instead of proposing such a bill, which would fail, they are attempting an end run around the Constitution by shutting down the government until they get their way.

They have been unreasonable for 6 years now, it is just after 6 years the President and the Senate, not just the Democrats in the Senate, have finally "compromised" on everything they will "compromise" on. There is nothing left that they can or will give the Republicans in the House and so we are at a shutdown and impasse.

The House Republicans position is not that strong, they are being held up by 80 Tea Party Republicans and if John Boehner had any integrity he would bring a clean CR bill to the floor for a vote in the House, it would pass, the Senate would pass it, the President would sign it, and this would be all over. Sadly he knows if he does that he will lose his seat as Teatards will mount a challenge and win against him in the 2014 election.
 
2013-10-02 09:28:05 AM  

Persnickety: Skleenar: ninotchka: So compromise only goes one way?

That's a little rich considering you are commenting to the person responding to the comment that said the "wise" compromise out of this situation was to give the GOP everything they wanted, and in return they promise, for realsies this time, to not try to destroy full faith and credit of the US government.

This.  What exactly is the GOP bringing to the table to compromise with?  ACA has already been lawfully passed, withstood dozens of repeal attempts, survived review by SCOTUS and in the most recent election, the candidate who vowed to repeal it lost decisively.  It's about as fully vetted as any law can be and the losers need to just get over it.

As to real compromise, how about this?  Delay implementation for 6 months in exchange for increasing income and capital gains taxes on the wealthy for the same time frame.  That way both sides are giving concessions.


How about no. The Republican position is not that strong and no more "compromises" with these assholes. We have given them all we are going to and more then they ever could have expected.
 
2013-10-02 09:31:33 AM  
If the House Republicans wanted to negotiate, they could have appointed members to the budget conference committee SIX MONTHS AGO, instead of waiting until two hours before the deadline for shutdown. Just sayin'.

/Tired of this "pox on all their houses" jazz, too. My personal congressman isn't causing any trouble. He goes to committee meetings, does a buttload of constituent service, and doesn't stuff himself in front of the C-Span cameras. This whole thing is caused by Ted Cruz, Steve King, Michele Bachmann, Louie Gohmert, and the lesser clowns in their troupe, who are living in some parallel universe where a modest reform in the way people can buy private health insurance = Communism.
 
2013-10-02 09:32:01 AM  

Skleenar: Perspective.


Comedy is funny.  Cloture is calling a game in the 3rd quarter, so as to not belabor the contest since the game is running long and the network has other programs it needs to air.  It's a bad analogy.
 
2013-10-02 09:58:07 AM  

mbillips: IamKaiserSoze!!!: And not one elected official will be inconvenienced in the slightest.

I think that this 'shutdown' will be the one that causes people to realize how inconsequential many elective federal services are.

F8ck Mitch, John, Harry, Nancy and Barry anyway. They've all done nothing for the past five years (Nancy and Harry go back longer) but create the most partisan federal government in forever.

Yeah, you're half right. The problem is not that the federal government is partisan. The problem is that one partisan side thinks it's OK to wreck the economy in order to refight battles they lost at the ballot box. The 2008-09 Congress was one of the most productive in history in terms of amount and significance of legislation passed. The Republican Congresses of 2010 and 2012 have passed virtually NOTHING.


More specifically, Harry Reid has help up anything. The Senate has never been more partisan and unproductive. He has merely been a laptop for the executive branch.

I'm offended my mitch and Boehner too but to lay this off on one side means you aren't being objective.
 
2013-10-02 10:12:31 AM  

Persnickety: Skleenar: ninotchka: So compromise only goes one way?

That's a little rich considering you are commenting to the person responding to the comment that said the "wise" compromise out of this situation was to give the GOP everything they wanted, and in return they promise, for realsies this time, to not try to destroy full faith and credit of the US government.

This.  What exactly is the GOP bringing to the table to compromise with?  ACA has already been lawfully passed, withstood dozens of repeal attempts, survived review by SCOTUS and in the most recent election, the candidate who vowed to repeal it lost decisively.  It's about as fully vetted as any law can be and the losers need to just get over it.

As to real compromise, how about this?  Delay implementation for 6 months in exchange for increasing income and capital gains taxes on the wealthy for the same time frame.  That way both sides are giving concessions.


Now we've got a winner.
 
2013-10-02 10:25:01 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Why don't we all just chill the fark out and let our political leaders do what they're supposed to do.

Truth be told, I can see how some can enjoy all this handwringing and fingerpointing, but in the end it's just sport for us.


If they were doing what they are supposed to do, there wouldn't be any handwringing and finger pointing.
 
2013-10-02 10:28:55 AM  

dittybopper: hasty ambush: My suggestion for a compromise.

I've got one.

Have the House send a clean bill to the Senate, with a couple of non-PPACA related riders.  One would repeal the Hughes Amendment.  The other would remove federal law enforcement dollars provided to states who continue to have either of the following:
1. Magazine capacity restrictions less than 20 rounds, or
2. That will not issue CCW licenses on a "Shall Issue" basis.

Then we'd see just how important the Affordable Care Act is.


0/0
There's a gun troll in my government thread.
 
2013-10-02 11:04:41 AM  

Persnickety: Skleenar: ninotchka: So compromise only goes one way?

That's a little rich considering you are commenting to the person responding to the comment that said the "wise" compromise out of this situation was to give the GOP everything they wanted, and in return they promise, for realsies this time, to not try to destroy full faith and credit of the US government.

This.  What exactly is the GOP bringing to the table to compromise with?  ACA has already been lawfully passed, withstood dozens of repeal attempts, survived review by SCOTUS and in the most recent election, the candidate who vowed to repeal it lost decisively.  It's about as fully vetted as any law can be and the losers need to just get over it.

As to real compromise, how about this?  Delay implementation for 6 months in exchange for increasing income and capital gains taxes on the wealthy for the same time frame.  That way both sides are giving concessions.


Think of it this way.  Imagine I want you to do something, that you don't want to do...for instance, we are carpooling together and I say "we should use premium gas, it is better for my car" but you say "no, premium gas is expensive and pointless".  One method of negotion/compromise would go:

You: Use regular, or I shoot you in the head.
Me: No.
You: Use regular or I shoot you in the stomach.
Me: No.
You: Use regular or I shoot you in the hand.
Me: No.
You: Dammit, I am not getting in the car until we use regular, I have offered deal after deal, each increasingly better, and you are still not negotiating!
(We both stand around outside the car, getting nowhere.  Better hope we figure it out soon, rainclouds are forming)

Another method of compromise is:

You: Use regular.
Me: No.
You:  How about we use mid-grade?
Me:  Well, I don't like it, but I know you don't like it too, and it will at least get us back on the road and out of the rain.

Now, applying this analogy to the current political problems is tricky, as there is no obvious "mid-grade".  Of course, it is also complicated by the fact that the bill being argued over is suppsoed to just be about funding a budget, and the thing democrats are objecting to is introducing something totally unrelated to a bill that HAS to pass for the government to do a lot of their work.  Personally I don't understand how anyone can justify voting against a CR that doesn't have any extra ammendments, and is just what it should be - a means to fund the things that have been previously agreed upon to fund.  If you want to talk about what has been previously agreed upon, there is nothing stopping anyone from bringing that up, and putting it through normal political channels.  If those normal channels don't work, maybe it means it is time to move on, and focus efforts into something constructive.
 
2013-10-02 11:23:36 AM  
Another side effect:

My posting amount is going to have a sharp decrease as I am no longer being paid to screw around on Fark all day. Hopefully for everyone involved, this thing gets resolved and I can go back to being everyone joy, derp and trolls.
 
2013-10-02 12:16:58 PM  

MythDragon: Another side effect:

My posting amount is going to have a sharp decrease as I am no longer being paid to screw around on Fark all day. Hopefully for everyone involved, this thing gets resolved and I can go back to being everyone joy, derp and trolls.


Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-10-02 01:28:19 PM  

Bruce Campbell: Comedy is funny. Cloture is calling a game in the 3rd quarter, so as to not belabor the contest since the game is running long and the network has other programs it needs to air. It's a bad analogy.


I'm not sure what your point is, but I am guessing this is the "reconciliation is a crime against humanity( when Democrats do it)" argument, so I'll just ignore it.
 
2013-10-02 01:45:25 PM  

Skleenar: Bruce Campbell: Comedy is funny. Cloture is calling a game in the 3rd quarter, so as to not belabor the contest since the game is running long and the network has other programs it needs to air. It's a bad analogy.

I'm not sure what your point is, but I am guessing this is the "reconciliation is a crime against humanity( when Democrats do it)" argument, so I'll just ignore it.


It's clear that you are missing a lot of points.
 
2013-10-02 02:24:39 PM  

Bruce Campbell: It's clear that you are missing a lot of points.


Go ahead and itemize them, then.

Now, please don't take this as a characterization of anything you personally might be doing here, but I have found that quite often, on the internet, people who simply assert that they have a strong argument without identifying exactly what it is often don't have as strong an argument as they assert.

I'm just playing it safe here.  I'm sure you understand.
 
2013-10-02 05:50:08 PM  
Dems: Fund all of our programs
Congress: How about we talk about the programs on a one on one basis?
Dems: No! Stop holding us hostage! Do you see what you are doing to the children?!
Congress: What?
Media: Republicans hate children and want you to die.
 
2013-10-02 09:32:58 PM  
Screw Obama and his ideas. He is corrupt. I hope the republicans, (i dont like them either), stand their ground no matter what.

But here is what the Obama administration will probably do. They will begin shutting down welfare and punishing people until they get their way.

I say NO WAY. Obamacare needs to be eradicated. They will NEVER see a penny from me.
 
2013-10-03 08:16:53 AM  

whackamac: Screw Obama and his ideas. He is corrupt. I hope the republicans, (i dont like them either), stand their ground no matter what.

But here is what the Obama administration will probably do. They will begin shutting down welfare and punishing people until they get their way.

I say NO WAY. Obamacare needs to be eradicated. They will NEVER see a penny from me.


Who will never see a penny from you?  Doctors?  Have you never been ill or injured?  Did you not pay for medicine or treatment?  Are you on welfare?
 
2013-10-03 12:02:08 PM  

Skleenar: Go ahead and itemize them, then.


Go ahead and re-read up thread to see the points you missed.

I don't mean to generalize either, but you come off as a pompous waterboy defending one party, looking for a fight, when I said both parties contributing to this situation suck--point missed.  You link to wikipedia articles that have a vague relationship to the discussion; reconciliation applies when a budget is passed, which hasn't been the case FOR 4 YEARS--point missed.  No concurrence has occurred yet so how the hell can you reconcile something to which has not been agreed--point missed. You ignore the fact that both parties have shuttered government in the past, yet this instance is unconscionable, for some reason--point missed.  You don't understand when someone tries to explain to you when an analogy is bad--point missed.  You missed your own point of ignoring me--point missed.  As I stated, you miss a helluva lot of points.
 
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