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(New York Daily News)   Elderly couple arrested for murder. Apparently, both of them killed their former spouses so they could marry one another. Difficulty: it happened 33 years ago   (nydailynews.com) divider line 39
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2013-10-01 11:48:13 PM
Really freaky story as well as a great tragedy as the man is accused of killing his wife and two kids.

/This is why I support the death penalty, even for geriatric cases.
 
2013-10-02 12:15:15 AM
Alice Uden is accused of killing her ex-husband, Ronald Holtz, 25, who disappeared in 1974 or 1975.

They can't even pin down the year? Didn't the guy have any relatives or friends who noticed his absence?
 
2013-10-02 03:03:54 AM
This would make a great movie.
 
2013-10-02 03:10:48 AM
If they'd been thinking ahead they could have done a "Strangers on a Train"-style murder swap. Though getting married later might have been a tipoff.
 
2013-10-02 03:19:03 AM
I say give em a Mulligan on that murder cuz it's
romantic and stuff .
 
2013-10-02 03:28:08 AM

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Her?
 
2013-10-02 03:32:17 AM
I think if I ever kill my spouse I'm going to do it in Wyoming.
 
2013-10-02 03:35:53 AM
Apparently? The murders happened 5 years apart.

Soooooomebody was dragging their feet about killing their spouse like we agreed.

In other words. BS.
 
2013-10-02 03:41:24 AM

AirForceVet: This is why I support the death penalty, even for geriatric cases.


We agree on a lot of things, but- this is not one of them .
 
2013-10-02 03:42:49 AM
Oh I thought they each killed their respective spouse to be with each other, not we just killed the one guy's spouse and kids. That's not romantic at all!!!
 
2013-10-02 03:43:43 AM

fusillade762: Alice Uden is accused of killing her ex-husband, Ronald Holtz, 25, who disappeared in 1974 or 1975.

They can't even pin down the year? Didn't the guy have any relatives or friends who noticed his absence?


No contact with anyone other than his wife over an 8 day period? Not unreasonable.

The last record of him was leaving the hospital on December 24. Between medical issues and holidays, if he wasn't planning to spend Christmas or New Years with other family members (or if she just said "he isn't feeling well") it isn't surprising.

AirForceVet: Really freaky story as well as a great tragedy as the man is accused of killing his wife and two kids.


From the article it sounds like they weren't his kids.
 
2013-10-02 03:48:08 AM
Not going to that site again, reading the story and got sidetracked by the "Python regurgitates dog on Bangkok street" story in the sidebar.........didn't need to see that.
 
2013-10-02 03:50:30 AM
How sweet. Truly, love knows no bounds.

SevenizGud: Apparently? The murders happened 5 years apart.

Soooooomebody was dragging their feet about killing their spouse like we agreed.

In other words. BS.


You know how I know you didn't finish reading the article?
 
2013-10-02 03:52:02 AM

almandot: Oh I thought they each killed their respective spouse to be with each other, not we just killed the one guy's spouse and kids. That's not romantic at all!!!


Damnit, wrong quote:

NobleHam: SevenizGud: Apparently? The murders happened 5 years apart.

Soooooomebody was dragging their feet about killing their spouse like we agreed.

In other words. BS.

You know how I know you didn't finish reading the article?

 
2013-10-02 04:01:07 AM
Bad retirement plan x 2!  At least they'll have free lodging and medical care for the rest of their life.
 
2013-10-02 04:15:20 AM
Too bad those old coots didn't have a suicide pact.
 
2013-10-02 04:26:37 AM
The article keeps referring to the dead people as "exes". If you shoot your current spouse dead, are they an ex?
 
2013-10-02 04:27:05 AM
I feel bad for those two kids.
 
2013-10-02 04:28:10 AM

AirForceVet: Really freaky story as well as a great tragedy as the man is accused of killing his wife and two kids.

/This is why I support the death penalty, even for geriatric cases.




She would just claim battered wife or some other bs. It worked for Faye Copeland in the end. Ray and Faye Copeland killed 5 -12 drifters in a cattle and check scheme. The couole was the oldest people sentenced to death in Missouri at the time. Mother nature got them first.

/ Missouri likes it's killers old.
 
2013-10-02 04:29:38 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: AirForceVet: Really freaky story as well as a great tragedy as the man is accused of killing his wife and two kids.

/This is why I support the death penalty, even for geriatric cases.

She would just claim battered wife or some other bs. It worked for Faye Copeland in the end. Ray and Faye Copeland killed 5 -12 drifters in a cattle and check scheme. The couple was the oldest people sentenced to death in Missouri at the time. Mother nature got them first.

/ Missouri likes it's killers old.

 
2013-10-02 04:39:50 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: AirForceVet: Really freaky story as well as a great tragedy as the man is accused of killing his wife and two kids.

/This is why I support the death penalty, even for geriatric cases.

She would just claim battered wife or some other bs. It worked for Faye Copeland in the end. Ray and Faye Copeland killed 5 -12 drifters in a cattle and check scheme. The couole was the oldest people sentenced to death in Missouri at the time. Mother nature got them first.

/ Missouri likes it's killers old.


Except that Faye Copeland was a severely abused, oppressed, and controlled woman whose only known participation in the crime was writing down lists of names and numbers for her husband because he was illiterate. She didn't say "Boo" unless her husband allowed it. Their kids even said that their mother was completely controlled by their father. I think it's a shame that she had to end up in prison when it was clear that she had no capacity to alter her husband's behavior in the slightest, nor did she have the wherewithal to bring in authorities assuming she really understood what was going on.
 
2013-10-02 05:14:02 AM

silvervial: Mid_mo_mad_man: AirForceVet: Really freaky story as well as a great tragedy as the man is accused of killing his wife and two kids.

/This is why I support the death penalty, even for geriatric cases.

She would just claim battered wife or some other bs. It worked for Faye Copeland in the end. Ray and Faye Copeland killed 5 -12 drifters in a cattle and check scheme. The couole was the oldest people sentenced to death in Missouri at the time. Mother nature got them first.

/ Missouri likes it's killers old.

Except that Faye Copeland was a severely abused, oppressed, and controlled woman whose only known participation in the crime was writing down lists of names and numbers for her husband because he was illiterate. She didn't say "Boo" unless her husband allowed it. Their kids even said that their mother was completely controlled by their father. I think it's a shame that she had to end up in prison when it was clear that she had no capacity to alter her husband's behavior in the slightest, nor did she have the wherewithal to bring in authorities assuming she really understood what was going on.




I know it sounds cold but I never thought she was innocent. She had to notice what was going on. She had to wonder where the money came from. Why men were disappearing and so forth. She may not have squeezed the trigger but her weren't clean in the matter
 
2013-10-02 05:16:27 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: silvervial: Mid_mo_mad_man: AirForceVet: Really freaky story as well as a great tragedy as the man is accused of killing his wife and two kids.

/This is why I support the death penalty, even for geriatric cases.

She would just claim battered wife or some other bs. It worked for Faye Copeland in the end. Ray and Faye Copeland killed 5 -12 drifters in a cattle and check scheme. The couole was the oldest people sentenced to death in Missouri at the time. Mother nature got them first.

/ Missouri likes it's killers old.

Except that Faye Copeland was a severely abused, oppressed, and controlled woman whose only known participation in the crime was writing down lists of names and numbers for her husband because he was illiterate. She didn't say "Boo" unless her husband allowed it. Their kids even said that their mother was completely controlled by their father. I think it's a shame that she had to end up in prison when it was clear that she had no capacity to alter her husband's behavior in the slightest, nor did she have the wherewithal to bring in authorities assuming she really understood what was going on.

I know it sounds cold but I never thought she was innocent. She had to notice what was going on. She had to wonder where the money came from. Why men were disappearing and so forth. She may not have squeezed the trigger but her hands weren't clean in the matter

 
2013-10-02 05:47:58 AM

fusillade762: Alice Uden is accused of killing her ex-husband, Ronald Holtz, 25, who disappeared in 1974 or 1975.

They can't even pin down the year? Didn't the guy have any relatives or friends who noticed his absence?


I've got a BIL we haven't heard from in over 3 years, and a niece and nephew from my side we haven't laid eyes on in over a year.  But, should we get the authorities involved?  The BIL has been evasive for over 20 years, and we suspect he is trying to hide his life from his very old and rigid mom.  As for my niece and nephew, my sister doesn't seem worried, because their facebook pages are updated regularly.
 
2013-10-02 06:11:18 AM

Loucifer: The article keeps referring to the dead people as "exes". If you shoot your current spouse dead, are they an ex?


What, you expect them to stay married to a corpse?  Freakin' necro.
 
2013-10-02 06:27:17 AM
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I want to play a game.  To your left is your wife and kids who are preventing us from being married.  To your right is a gun.  Now the question is, how far are you willing to go to marry me?  You have 3 minutes to decide.  Let the game begin.
 
2013-10-02 06:48:43 AM
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2013-10-02 07:14:17 AM
Uh, subby, that's not really a difficulty.  Arrest isn't done without fairly convincing forensic and other evidence, and there's no statute of limitations on murder in the US.
 
2013-10-02 07:22:34 AM
Serendipity.
 
2013-10-02 07:32:33 AM
They were both long haul truckers rarely home, per the article.

Makes me wonder if there's more bodies.
 
2013-10-02 07:46:06 AM
Now they went and Ruiend the surprise of Nicholas Spark's next novel. It was supposed the be a prequel. Sorry Nick, I'm sure the movie rights are still worth something.

/sure to be a tear jerker.
 
2013-10-02 08:07:29 AM
See what happens when you let gay people get married?  It ruins marriage for everyone.

But seriously... as much as I'd probably celebrate if my wife's ex husband met a nasty end, I'm pretty sure that divorce court was the right way for her to go.
 
2013-10-02 08:42:09 AM

Loucifer: The article keeps referring to the dead people as "exes". If you shoot your current spouse dead, are they an ex?


No, they become an executable file.
 
2013-10-02 08:54:15 AM

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I want to play a game.  To your left is your wife and kids who are preventing us from being married.  To your right is a gun.  Now the question is, how far are you willing to go to marry me?  You have 3 minutes to decide.  Let the game begin.


I buy that scenario.

Bigdogdaddy: Bad retirement plan x 2!  At least they'll have free lodging and medical care for the rest of their life.


They weren't retired.  Those old killers are just that tough.  Killers today just don't have that old school toughness, as they just off themselves when they see things going badly.  Alice told a few folks what she did and then went on with the life she wanted, only to get arrested when the cops felt she was old enough to be taken without a hard fight.

/reminds me of grandma
 
2013-10-02 09:01:43 AM

Loucifer: The article keeps referring to the dead people as "exes". If you shoot your current spouse dead, are they an ex?


"Consider that a divorce"  - Ahhhnold, in Total Recall.
 
2013-10-02 10:12:16 AM

Loucifer: The article keeps referring to the dead people as "exes". If you shoot your current spouse dead, are they an ex?


Well, at least the woman received a divorce (on the basis that her husband could not be served divorce papers).
 
2013-10-02 10:58:28 AM

Cyclometh: I feel bad for those two kids.


Yeah. Killing two kids for a piece of ass, and that piece of ass having no problem with it. These aren't humans we're dealing with here.
 
2013-10-02 11:46:20 AM

Loucifer: The article keeps referring to the dead people as "exes". If you shoot your current spouse dead, are they an ex?


In the same way a parrot can be an ex-parrot, yes.
 
2013-10-02 12:40:42 PM
Most people who 'cheat' and end up with the person they cheated with spend time worrying if the person they're with will find someone else and leave them.

33 years of wondering if the other person is going to shoot them one day...
 
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