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(Politico)   GOP's new plan, in lieu of passing a CR, is to pass small, individual bills funding one program at a time, and they just won't pass one for Obamacare   (politico.com) divider line 381
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2013-10-01 03:31:50 PM
Well, it looks like the wingers have finally received their talking points.
 
2013-10-01 03:31:58 PM
Wouldn't that take a very long time?
 
2013-10-01 03:32:02 PM
randomjsa: [Nothing of consequence.]
 
2013-10-01 03:32:12 PM

SkinnyHead: This sounds like a good idea.  Fund everything in piecemeal fashion except Obamacare, and that effectively ends Harry Reid's government shutdown.  They've already done it once for military pay.  Senate agreed to that.  Fund everything else (except Obamacare) in the same way.


Sure, Ted Cruz's shutdown doesn't affect Obamacare anyway. But these are stressful times. You might want to hit up an exchange and sign up so you can get a general checkup.
 
2013-10-01 03:32:15 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Tea Qaeda spokesperson Michele Bachmann has already claimed GOP ownership of the shutdown: "It's exactly what we wanted, and we got it." She also thinks a miracle from God will force Obama to defund the ACA.

So you knuckledragging redneck apolgists can stop pretending that A) this shutdown is anyone's fault but the GOP's, and B) that your party isn't pants-on-head crazy.


And C) that you can somehow keep the rest of the country from noticing A and B.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/01/the-morn in g-plum-republicans-enter-the-danger-zone/?hpid=z4
 
2013-10-01 03:32:46 PM
Isn't this sort of, in a way, the way actual budgets were passed back in the Gilded Age of Democracy?

I seem to remember something like 13-15 budget bills being voted on instead of the all-encompassing CR that does nothing but keep the status quo.
 
2013-10-01 03:33:49 PM

In House GOP meeting, Gohmert pushed for military pay bill in conf. committee; Boehner replied: 'Louie, that bill has already been signed'

- Russell Berman (@russellberman) October 1, 2013


He are smart.
 
2013-10-01 03:35:32 PM

Albino Squid: Now they will offer several bills that fund everything but Obamacare. It will not fail, because...


It shouldn't fail because there is no reason for Harry Reid to deny funding to things that have nothing to do with Obamacare.  He has already agreed to a piecemeal bill that would fund military salaries.  How can he say no to the National Parks and other things that are unrelated to Obamacare?
 
2013-10-01 03:36:19 PM
No
 
2013-10-01 03:36:27 PM
Strike two.
 
2013-10-01 03:36:44 PM

SkinnyHead: Albino Squid: Now they will offer several bills that fund everything but Obamacare. It will not fail, because...

It shouldn't fail because there is no reason for Harry Reid to deny funding to things that have nothing to do with Obamacare.  He has already agreed to a piecemeal bill that would fund military salaries.  How can he say no to the National Parks and other things that are unrelated to Obamacare?


Because he doesn't have his morning Weetabix swimming in paste, and thus can perhaps see through their clever plan?
 
2013-10-01 03:37:14 PM
It took these bumbling retards 2 years to agree on a Farm Bill that 80% of them supported, and even then they could only get it through by breaking it up into seperate pieces.   Even on something that was a slam dunk no brainier like disaster relief after Sandy, they were at each other's throats and breaking out into civil wars.   You really think they could agree to dismantle and pass the entire federal budget item by item?    The entire premise ignores the basic underlying problem that a small, but ridiculously powerful, faction of the Republican caucus utterly hates the American government and specifically believes they were sent to Washington to sabotage it from the inside.
 
2013-10-01 03:37:55 PM

DamnYankees: MindStalker: DamnYankees: The more I think about it, the more insane this plan is. The whole point of this entire thing is that the House needs the Senate and the President to affirmatively defund Obamacare. Funding everythign else piecemeal does literally nothing to make that happen. Everything the House R's are willing to fund, the Democrats are also willing to fund. They might as well just pass the CR if they are going to do this.

Actually I think this is a great plan. There is a ton of Pork projects that might not make it through this process. Obamacare would keep going, but the budget could really get a good decent trimming.

Ah yes - "pork". The conservative word for "spending I don't like that doesn't seem to directly and immediately benefit me".


Just a minor update.
 
2013-10-01 03:38:22 PM
Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.) took to Twitter to say "We fought the good fight. Time for a clean CR." Boehner would need more than 100 Republicans to take that position to preserve his internal politics.

COWARD
 
2013-10-01 03:39:47 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The Senate should return each individual funding bill back to the senate with a rider that would eliminate the need for a debt ceiling vote.


Better, amend the bill replacing all of the text of the bill with a clean CR, just don't change the title. Then when they don't bring it back up for a vote, you say see they wouldn't even consider it.
 
2013-10-01 03:40:27 PM
Harry Reid's government shutdown.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-01 03:40:47 PM
Quick question: let's say the Senate agreed to this stupid plan, and they funded every program one-by-one with separate bills. Approximately how long would that take?
 
2013-10-01 03:41:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: This sounds like a good idea.  Fund everything in piecemeal fashion except Obamacare, and that effectively ends Harry Reid's government shutdown.  They've already done it once for military pay.  Senate agreed to that.  Fund everything else (except Obamacare) in the same way.

Problem: Obamacare is already funded through mandatory spending.


that's enough with the truth.
 
2013-10-01 03:41:50 PM

SkinnyHead: Harry Reid's government shutdown


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2013-10-01 03:42:09 PM

red5ish: Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.) took to Twitter to say "We fought the good fight. Time for a clean CR." Boehner would need more than 100 Republicans to take that position to preserve his internal politics.

COWARD


I don't think Rigell's position means much. He was the one GOP vote against the defund Obamacare CR which started this.
 
2013-10-01 03:42:24 PM
So, what happens first: Boehner and the less-crazy Republicans in the House just say "eff it" and go ahead and pass a clean continuing resolution with the House Democrats, or enough of the more-crazy Republicans flip and bail Boehner out?

My money is on the second one because Boehner has the spine of an amoeba.
 
2013-10-01 03:42:24 PM
I wonder if the GOP has thought about what kind of precedent they are setting.

One day there will be a Republican President and a Democratic Majority House.
 
2013-10-01 03:42:32 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: In House GOP meeting, Gohmert pushed for military pay bill in conf. committee; Boehner replied: 'Louie, that bill has already been signed'- Russell Berman (@russellberman) October 1, 2013

He are smart.


Louie Gohmert is proof positive that someone in a persistent vegetative state can still maintain a meaningful quality of life.
 
2013-10-01 03:43:12 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: This sounds like a good idea.  Fund everything in piecemeal fashion except Obamacare, and that effectively ends Harry Reid's government shutdown.  They've already done it once for military pay.  Senate agreed to that.  Fund everything else (except Obamacare) in the same way.

Problem: Obamacare is already funded through mandatory spending.

Why do you see that as a problem?


It's a problem with the GOP's plan. I didn't say it was a problem for me.
 
2013-10-01 03:43:34 PM

SkinnyHead: This sounds like a good idea.  Fund everything in piecemeal fashion except Obamacare, and that effectively ends Harry Reid's government shutdown.  They've already done it once for military pay.  Senate agreed to that.  Fund everything else (except Obamacare) in the same way.


I like it!  I mean, it funds everything that needs to be funded, the ACA retains the funding it needs, and everyone wins!  In fact...when you think about it...it seems like it would have been simpler to lump all the funding together into a single approval.  Why didn't they just do that?  I mean, it would have avoided this entire mess, and would have the same inevitable end result!

/Vote for Cat's Breath 2014!
 
2013-10-01 03:43:57 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Isn't this sort of, in a way, the way actual budgets were passed back in the Gilded Age of Democracy?

I seem to remember something like 13-15 budget bills being voted on instead of the all-encompassing CR that does nothing but keep the status quo.


You're thinking of omnibus spending bills, I believe.
 
2013-10-01 03:44:32 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Isn't this sort of, in a way, the way actual budgets were passed back in the Gilded Age of Democracy?

I seem to remember something like 13-15 budget bills being voted on instead of the all-encompassing CR that does nothing but keep the status quo.


I think the CR is just a measure to fill the gap because no actual budget has made its way through our bicameral system in quite a while
 
2013-10-01 03:44:38 PM

Marcus Aurelius: SnakeLee: I don't get how they can lie so blatantly and not get called out across the board, but here we are

They have FOX News carrying their water for them.


Yeah, see this isn't really a government "shutdown", it's more like a happy little "slimdown".

retired.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-10-01 03:44:45 PM

SkinnyHead: He has already agreed to a piecemeal bill that would fund military salaries. How can he say no to the National Parks and other things that are unrelated to Obamacare?


Because the military is in harms way, and needs money to maintain their threat assessment matrix. Defunding this makes our troops vulnerable to attack.

The only threat in the national parks is Smokey Bear.

But hey, if you want to enrage the Democrats, go right ahead (hell, you've done it already). What goes around, comes around. You may not see the consequences of GOP actions now, but you'll find out what they are soon enough.
 
2013-10-01 03:45:17 PM
the repeated use of the word piecemeal in this thread has made me hungry for chicken
 
2013-10-01 03:45:28 PM
Ever feel like John Boehner is trapped in his own personal purgatory where is is forced to try to sell gradually more insane Tea Party strategies all the while screaming "It's not going to work you dumb Farkers!!!!"   Do you think one day he is just going to snap?  I mean how much more degrading does this need to get for him?
 
2013-10-01 03:45:31 PM
SnakeLee: I don't get how they can lie so blatantly and not get called out across the board, but here we are.


It's because the reporters covering this clusterfark are more concerned about keeping their access than they are about informing the public.

You can't fill a 24 hour news channel without lots of "interviews".
 
2013-10-01 03:45:36 PM
Wow this sounds great just do it and maybe to save time just write it all down on one paper.
 
2013-10-01 03:45:48 PM

SnakeLee: I don't get how they can lie so blatantly and not get called out across the board, but here we are.


Because of idiot constituents who treat party affiliation like old school marriage or high school sports.  And lobbyists that target legislators from states with only 3 EV.
 
2013-10-01 03:46:10 PM

OhioUGrad: the repeated use of the word piecemeal in this thread has made me hungry for chicken


Make sure the GOP doesn't get to it first.
 
2013-10-01 03:46:20 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: SkinnyHead: Harry Reid's government shutdown

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She even said  "People will be very grateful"
 
2013-10-01 03:46:50 PM

mainstreet62: Defunding this makes our troops vulnerable to attack.


Also if the troops don't get paid they're released from their contracts. Basically if the paychecks don't show up, they can walk.
 
2013-10-01 03:46:58 PM
Obligatory?

 25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-01 03:47:30 PM

Skyrmion: img.fark.net


holy. boiled. owl. shiat.

i think foxnews.com just broke my wookie.
 
2013-10-01 03:47:42 PM

Car_Ramrod: Quick question: let's say the Senate agreed to this stupid plan, and they funded every program one-by-one with separate bills. Approximately how long would that take?


Senate passed the military pay bill with a voice vote or unanimous consent, something like that takes hardly no time at all.  Other piecemeal funding bills can be passed through just as quickly.
 
2013-10-01 03:47:43 PM
Up next:

Harry Reid attaches legislation to each piecemeal funding measure that makes gerrymandering illegal.
 
2013-10-01 03:48:16 PM
Someone find him and physically slap him.

This isn't Reid's shutdown.


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2013-10-01 03:48:27 PM
No

POTUS can't have a line item budget

No piece-meal CR that will take the rest of the decade to get through

No

You have a clean bill, PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE

This is no longer a power play, a smart tactic, fiscal conservatism, or even a statement of ideology - this is a bunch of yahoos basically admitting they are so inexperienced and/or petty they need to examine the entire federal budget like a woman trying to find the "right" pair of black pumps while her husband slowly starves to death 100 feet from the food court

No
 
2013-10-01 03:48:55 PM
Oh and as to the GOP piecemeal plan--Reid should just take every half-assed spending bill and amend it to be a complete CR, pass it, then send it back to the House :trollface:
 
2013-10-01 03:48:56 PM

mainstreet62: Up next:

Harry Reid attaches legislation to each piecemeal funding measure that makes gerrymandering illegal.


A lot of his Democratic friends in the House would not be happy with him.
 
2013-10-01 03:49:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Isn't this sort of, in a way, the way actual budgets were passed back in the Gilded Age of Democracy?

I seem to remember something like 13-15 budget bills being voted on instead of the all-encompassing CR that does nothing but keep the status quo.

You're thinking of omnibus spending bills, I believe.


Checked Wiki. Looks like this is done for all discretionary spending, usually. If time does not permit, then they roll into an omnibus. But they can't even do THAT without bickering, so we get CRs. Looks like last Omnibus was in 2009.
 
2013-10-01 03:49:34 PM
As much as I hate stooping down to someone's level, the GOP rhetoric is occupying WAY too much airtime in the news.

Democrats need to make a concession: agree to delay Obamacare for a year if the GOP agrees to ban assault rifles... or a massive tax hike on the 1%.

Oh, that goes against your agenda?!?!?!  It's non-negotiable?!?!?!

Welcome to COMPROMISE 101, asshats....
 
2013-10-01 03:49:42 PM
farking insanity
 
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2013-10-01 03:49:51 PM

Skyrmion: Marcus Aurelius: SnakeLee: I don't get how they can lie so blatantly and not get called out across the board, but here we are

They have FOX News carrying their water for them.

Yeah, see this isn't really a government "shutdown", it's more like a happy little "slimdown".

[retired.talkingpointsmemo.com image 742x600]


I feel dirty just looking at that screencap.
 
2013-10-01 03:49:53 PM

OhioUGrad: the repeated use of the word piecemeal in this thread has made me hungry for chicken


I heard under Obamacare we will no longer be allowed to eat fried chicken. Only broccoli
 
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