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2013-10-01 02:52:18 PM  
Have you ever shutdown the government...  on weed?
 
2013-10-01 03:10:04 PM  
Holy nuts, remember Strinberg and Helium?  I just had a flashback and had to look it up.  Found it:
http://www.strindbergandhelium.com/

heeeeeliuuuuuuum!

/good times.
 
2013-10-01 03:11:05 PM  
sci-ence.org
 
2013-10-01 03:11:15 PM  

OceanVortex: Holy nuts, remember Strinberg and Helium?  I just had a flashback and had to look it up.  Found it:
http://www.strindbergandhelium.com/

heeeeeliuuuuuuum!

/good times.


ps.... if you haven't seen it before, watch the one called "home with the kids."  Funny.
 
2013-10-01 03:11:29 PM  
I guess that one squeaked by.
 
2013-10-01 03:18:53 PM  
to allow the helium to continue to flow

the helium must flow
 
2013-10-01 03:23:54 PM  
Well sure.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-01 03:25:08 PM  
"Hello, airplanes? Yeah, it's blimps. You win!"
 
2013-10-01 03:32:22 PM  
How noble of them.
 
2013-10-01 03:39:54 PM  
Couldn't we just perfect hydrogen fusion and make helium?
 
2013-10-01 03:51:11 PM  
Great, the one thing they agree on, and it's wasting a limited resource.
 
2013-10-01 03:54:12 PM  
Hopefully no one was smoking.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-01 03:58:37 PM  

A Leaf in Fall: Couldn't we just perfect hydrogen fusion and make helium?


Or we could just make sure that when Natural Gas is refined the He is captured and not vented into the atmosphere.
 
2013-10-01 04:06:24 PM  
I would actually watch CSPAN if they were all inhaling helium before speaking. Or sulfur hexafluoride.
 
2013-10-01 04:12:27 PM  

Arachnophobe: I would actually watch CSPAN if they were all inhaling helium before speaking. Or sulfur hexafluoride.


Or Cyklon B.
 
2013-10-01 04:15:38 PM  
Heliummmmm!

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-10-01 04:19:33 PM  
 
2013-10-01 04:20:30 PM  

Snapper Carr: Hopefully no one was smoking.

[i.imgur.com image 599x338]


You obviously don't understand the core concept.
 
2013-10-01 04:20:55 PM  

t3knomanser: Have you ever shutdown the government...  on weed?


Here I thought I was clever.
 
2013-10-01 04:25:17 PM  
Thank you so much for raising my false hopes.
 
2013-10-01 04:32:17 PM  
Begoggle:
Great, the one thing they agree on, and it's wasting a limited resource.

...if by "limited resource," you mean "thousands of years worth." Literally.

When people say we're running out of the stuff, they're only talking about the very limited reserve found in a few natural gas fields in the Southwest. The only reason it was so centralized in that one area is that some fields have a very high - as much as seven percent - content of the gas.

There are many more fields around the world with high enough concentrations of helium to allow cheap extraction from natural gas flows. New cryogenic equipment is coming on line in several places (Qatar, Algeria, Russia, India, and others) to make up for the reduction in US production. There are also several new US commercial plants that are being added to known natural gas fields with higher helium concentrations.
 
2013-10-01 04:37:21 PM  
Now if we could just get all of them on lithium.
 
2013-10-01 04:59:58 PM  
M-O-O-N

That spells helium-3.
 
2013-10-01 05:02:42 PM  

cirby: Begoggle:
Great, the one thing they agree on, and it's wasting a limited resource.

...if by "limited resource," you mean "thousands of years worth." Literally.

When people say we're running out of the stuff, they're only talking about the very limited reserve found in a few natural gas fields in the Southwest. The only reason it was so centralized in that one area is that some fields have a very high - as much as seven percent - content of the gas.

There are many more fields around the world with high enough concentrations of helium to allow cheap extraction from natural gas flows. New cryogenic equipment is coming on line in several places (Qatar, Algeria, Russia, India, and others) to make up for the reduction in US production. There are also several new US commercial plants that are being added to known natural gas fields with higher helium concentrations.



The helium barons creating artificial scarcity are probably already zeroing in on your position. RUN, MAN!, RUN!
 
2013-10-01 05:06:41 PM  
J. Frank Parnell:
The helium barons creating artificial scarcity are probably already zeroing in on your position. RUN, MAN!, RUN!

Their blimps are fighting a headwind. I can walk.
 
2013-10-01 05:11:43 PM  
Can't we just 3D print some new helium?
 
2013-10-01 05:35:01 PM  

DarthBart: Can't we just 3D print some new helium?


Sure, we have tons of ageless atoms on hand.
 
2013-10-01 05:49:28 PM  
Apparently their inflated egos could use something besides hot air.
 
2013-10-01 06:21:57 PM  
Can't we just 3D print some new helium?


Shhh, you'll awaken the QA!
 
2013-10-01 06:23:10 PM  
I, for one, think congressional debate could only be improved by squeaky voices. Well, squeakier, at least.
 
2013-10-01 06:27:32 PM  

cirby: There are many more fields around the world with high enough concentrations of helium to allow cheap extraction from natural gas flows.


Right, because the smartest thing to do for a country with a huge trade deficit is to piss away the one valuable natural resource it has a virtual monopoly on so we can be forced to import more.

Wait, what kind of argument is this?
 
2013-10-01 06:43:10 PM  
Why post a link to a blog post talking about an article instead of linking to the article itself?
If I wanted to read Slashdot's opinion about an article, I'd go to slashdot.
 
2013-10-01 06:58:53 PM  

DarthBart: Can't we just 3D print some new helium?


Just need some temperature, pressure, and hydrogen.
 
2013-10-01 07:01:47 PM  
dragonchild:
Right, because the smartest thing to do for a country with a huge trade deficit is to piss away the one valuable natural resource it has a virtual monopoly on so we can be forced to import more.

We don't have a "virtual monopoly" on helium. We never really did. We're not going to have to import any, either, unless someone does something really bizarre, like shut down all natural gas production.

What we DID have was a massive Federal subsidy on helium production and storage, which kept the price artificially low for decades, and which didn't really accomplish anything except keep the price low enough to throw away in balloons. Production cost for helium was comically low - it was transportation and storage that were the real issues.

Other countries started ramping up production years ago, when they noticed that the US was going to have to cut back. Even in the US, various natural gas producers started installing helium refineries a decade or so ago, because they could see where things are going. It's not hard to make - literally 1920s technology.
 
2013-10-01 07:18:10 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-10-01 07:18:55 PM  
all we are saying
is give helium a chance.
 
2013-10-01 07:19:43 PM  
that was a light weight article in my opinion.
 
2013-10-01 08:58:43 PM  

Mentalpatient87: DarthBart: Can't we just 3D print some new helium?

Sure, we have tons of ageless atoms on hand.


Actually, that's the point: you want the non-ageless atoms, like uranium-238.
 
2013-10-01 09:41:05 PM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-01 10:05:10 PM  
So they've agreed to ally with Helium against Zodanga?

/harry_Seldon beat me to it, looks like
 
2013-10-01 10:47:01 PM  

Harry_Seldon: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 626x701]


No clue who that is (ok, I lie, optional's post below yours made me google Zodanga so I know now)

But that's some damned cool henna.
 
2013-10-01 10:53:27 PM  

kroonermanblack: Harry_Seldon: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 626x701]

No clue who that is (ok, I lie, optional's post below yours made me google Zodanga so I know now)

But that's some damned cool henna.


Princess Dejah Thoris.
 
2013-10-01 11:01:41 PM  
"A Princess of Mars" -- the whole series is out of copyright and available free.
 
2013-10-02 12:40:34 AM  

cirby: Begoggle:
Great, the one thing they agree on, and it's wasting a limited resource.

...if by "limited resource," you mean "thousands of years worth." Literally.

When people say we're running out of the stuff, they're only talking about the very limited reserve found in a few natural gas fields in the Southwest. The only reason it was so centralized in that one area is that some fields have a very high - as much as seven percent - content of the gas.

There are many more fields around the world with high enough concentrations of helium to allow cheap extraction from natural gas flows. New cryogenic equipment is coming on line in several places (Qatar, Algeria, Russia, India, and others) to make up for the reduction in US production. There are also several new US commercial plants that are being added to known natural gas fields with higher helium concentrations.


Yeah, I fail to understand how an element with a periodic number of 2 is supposed to be "scarce".  Remember kids: the larger the number, the rarer the element is in the universe (and in most cases, the planet).  H and He are the two most abundant elements in the universe, by far.  The rest are peanuts compared to those two.

Two protons, two neutrons, and two electrons?  Hell, why can't we just make that from hydrogen?  (Well, okay, you need to get the neutrons from somewhere...)
 
2013-10-02 12:59:20 AM  

Lt_Ryan: A Leaf in Fall: Couldn't we just perfect hydrogen fusion and make helium?

Or we could just make sure that when Natural Gas is refined the He is captured and not vented into the atmosphere.


If helium had become scarcer and more costly, natural gas producers would have seen the opportunity and done just that.
 
2013-10-02 05:49:53 AM  

A Leaf in Fall: Couldn't we just perfect hydrogen fusion and make helium?


"perfect"? It already exists.

www.electricalfun.com

But you have to be patient, the yield is low.

Personally, I think we should mine the Sun for its valuable helium.
 
2013-10-02 10:12:52 AM  

A Leaf in Fall: Couldn't we just perfect hydrogen fusion and make helium?


Or do more fission and make helium. Or catch helium in the solar wind. Or mine asteroids for helium trapped in the rocks. Or ramscoop Jupiter.
Maybe after we do all of that we'll have perfected fusion.
 
2013-10-02 02:05:15 PM  

blue_2501: Yeah, I fail to understand how an element with a periodic number of 2 is supposed to be "scarce".  Remember kids: the larger the number, the rarer the element is in the universe (and in most cases, the planet).  H and He are the two most abundant elements in the universe, by far.  The rest are peanuts compared to those two.


Most of the universe is expensive to get to.  We're more or less stuck with the helium under the ground.

The problem with that is that helium diffuses more readily than any gas, is much lighter than air, and is very challenging to purify away from other gases.  If helium gas finds a way to the atmosphere, it's lost for all practical purposes.  The only real reason we have significant amounts now is that it's generated by radioactive decay, and we have a lot of thorium and uranium lying around underground.

Two protons, two neutrons, and two electrons?  Hell, why can't we just make that from hydrogen?  (Well, okay, you need to get the neutrons from somewhere...)

www.osti.gov
That particular reaction takes a lot of energy to get started, and releases some excess heat.
 
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