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(Think Progress)   Park Service: We're sorry, but the WWII Memorial is closed due to the government shut down. WWII Veterans: How about no? Does no work for you?   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 355
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2013-10-01 03:33:29 PM

vrax: Intrepid00: I like the blaming of the parties but the real place the blame belongs as at your own feet.

You keep putting the same assholes in office year after year based on or you might "lose".

There is only one party responsible here and only one group of voters who should be shooting themselves in the face for electing them.


Keep telling yourself that and it will never be fixed.
 
2013-10-01 03:41:10 PM

Darth Macho: Mr. Eugenides: mongbiohazard: Cataholic: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

You have to pay people to put up barricades.  How else are you going to claim that not running the government costs $2 Billion more than the $3 Billion a day you spend running it.


This kind of comment really boggles my mind, and there are many in this thread.

Do you mean to tell me that you aren't actually capable of understanding what a skeleton crew is? That you've heard of this news, but somehow avoided hearing that some federal workers deemed "essential" are still working - like the kind of folks who would be needed to police areas or shut down operations.

I'm pretty sure I've met beach towels who could understand these concepts, so I'm guessing it's not a lack of ability so much as willful ignorance.

If they have staff to police the area then what's the need to shut it down?

My assumption is they have just enough staff to keep ten people per day from hopping the fence and carving their name onto Abe Lincoln's lap but not enough to handle 10,000 visitors per day. So it's safer to just tell everyone to keep out.


Pretty much.

Also to clean it. The mess that the constant stream of visitors the capitol area attracts would pile up real damn quick without proper staffing levels to keep it maintained. I was down at the national mall the other day. In the morning, clean... in a few hours the trashcans were full, some starting to overflow and needed to be emptied. That doesn't happen by magic... the government pays people to maintain those areas every day, and if they skip a day you'll know it. Those people are now not being paid as they're not classified as "essential", and it is actually illegal for them to come in to work.

So yes, they rope/barricade it off and close them because the staff has all been sent home due to the Tea Party drama machine. But they can get allocation for a skeleton crew of a few engineers to show up and rope everything off and then go home, and police to keep en eye out the rest of the day (many of them are likely deemed "essential" and so still working) so apparently that means to some people that reality magically no longer applies.

Seriously, the idiocy in this thread (in general, not talking about you Darth Macho) is just about at critical mass levels. If any more stupidity shows up it could implode into a singularity of fervent dumbass and birth a second Tea Party.

People, it's not political grandstanding just because you're too much much of a waterhead to understand what it takes to maintain popular and free-to-the-public facilities.
 
2013-10-01 03:45:21 PM

topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.


The cost to keep it open with any amenities closed would be minimal only a few staff to watch over it. The cost to close it including barricades and staffing to keep people is even more. Same thing with the panda webcam, to keep the feed going for a matter of days would be essentially nothing.
 
2013-10-01 03:46:21 PM

ElwoodCuse: Tell me something. It's still "we the people", right?


If "we" means the top 2.5% then yes.
 
2013-10-01 03:48:01 PM
The Germans tried that at Normandy, if I recall correctly...
 
2013-10-01 03:48:04 PM

Intrepid00: vrax: Intrepid00: I like the blaming of the parties but the real place the blame belongs as at your own feet.

You keep putting the same assholes in office year after year based on or you might "lose".

There is only one party responsible here and only one group of voters who should be shooting themselves in the face for electing them.

Keep telling yourself that and it will never be fixed.


31.media.tumblr.com

In this picture we have three parties showing us how to communicate, compromise and work together.  Sure, Obama isn't in the frame, but rest assured he's helping too.
 
2013-10-01 03:48:57 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: the person with the busted head will sue the crap out of whoever is responsible for maintaining a safe environment at the monument.


How? Aren't federal courts shut down, too?
 
2013-10-01 03:49:58 PM

This text is now purple: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: the person with the busted head will sue the crap out of whoever is responsible for maintaining a safe environment at the monument.

How? Aren't federal courts shut down, too?


They will when the fees they charge stop covering their operation.
 
2013-10-01 03:51:14 PM

seanpg71: The problem with this is that it assumes a short shutdown. It assumes that everything will go back to normal in a week or two and the workers will go back and have to clean up a bit more than usual.

Now, that's probably going to be the case, but the executive branch can't and shouldn't plan for that.


The long term plan for a 2-year shutdown is the resignation of the President.
 
2013-10-01 03:51:41 PM

Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?


To make it sound like a government shutdown affects us at *all*.  When it really doesn't.  Oh, some government workers don't get paid, sorry.  Next time join the private sector instead of dipping into my paycheck for taxes so you can have a job filing paperwork for a huge pension after 10 years.
 
2013-10-01 03:52:40 PM

poot_rootbeer: gunrunner: so If I understand this thread correctly...The Occupy movement was right....and the vets were wrong..

being that nobody mentioned the Occupy movement in this thread except you.....no you dont understand this thread correctly..ellipses are another one of the Thing's you dont understand


Ok while I don't know anything about you, this post made me wonder: how many drunk-ass furloughed government workers are in here (and the other threads)?
 
2013-10-01 03:52:53 PM
The couple of times I walked around the Mall in Washington the WW2 memorial was just an open space...not sure why they'd barricade it...anyway, the States thing I thought was clunky, and irrelevant?

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2013-10-01 03:52:55 PM

This text is now purple: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: the person with the busted head will sue the crap out of whoever is responsible for maintaining a safe environment at the monument.

How? Aren't federal courts shut down, too?


Federal Courts will operate for ~10 days after shut-down.
 
2013-10-01 03:57:03 PM

Intrepid00: vrax: Intrepid00: I like the blaming of the parties but the real place the blame belongs as at your own feet.

You keep putting the same assholes in office year after year based on or you might "lose".

There is only one party responsible here and only one group of voters who should be shooting themselves in the face for electing them.

Keep telling yourself that and it will never be fixed.


Don't let reality get in your way.  There is no equality of responsibility.  This shutdown and everything leading to it is squarely on the GOP and its followers.  To try and play this otherwise demonstrates only willful ignorance or malicious intent.
 
2013-10-01 03:59:07 PM
who owns those monuments and parks again?
 
2013-10-01 03:59:24 PM

gnadfly: ATTICA!  ATTICA!   ATTICA!


Ah, another Uma Thurman fan :)

/yeah, yeah, different movie
 
2013-10-01 04:03:03 PM
The derp is STRONG in this thread, as the usual suspects hide behind other people's uniforms to feel better about the fact that they've never contributed a farking thing to this country unless they were forced too.
 
2013-10-01 04:04:50 PM

fickenchucker: without anyone thinking it's simply a static open area with rocks and plaques.


It still needs someone to cleanup after people wander about and do people things. Just like National Parks this monument is already staffed at a level that reflects the "static open area" nature of the site, and while it's less staff than you need in other locations you still need staff to keep the thing from becoming a shiathole, to manage potential crowds, etc. Over the course of a day or two it's probably not a big deal to let it be open but there's no way to know this shutdown will only last a day or two.

I don't object to the cops letting these people in per se, as the harm done is not very high and the shutdown is dumb, but let's not pretend that all the people who work at the monument have worthless jobs just to make a political point.
 
2013-10-01 04:22:17 PM
I'm sorry but Poe's Law shouldn't be performance art.
 
2013-10-01 04:24:54 PM

LesserEvil: "Shutting down" the national parks probably cost more than running them over the course of several weeks,


Uhh, no.  This is just plain false.  you have no idea what you are talking about.  Please stop posting.
 
2013-10-01 04:26:08 PM
Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something?  I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.
 
2013-10-01 04:29:43 PM

Fade2black: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

To make it sound like a government shutdown affects us at *all*.  When it really doesn't.  Oh, some government workers don't get paid, sorry.  Next time join the private sector instead of dipping into my paycheck for taxes so you can have a job filing paperwork for a huge pension after 10 years.



You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

The government pension system (called FERS) is paid into by the employee, on a per-paycheck basis.  The employee accrues 1% of the average of their "top three" years of government services, per year.

Which means that, after 10 years, a government employee will get a yearly payment (split into monthly checks) of 10% of their top three years of pay.  Let's say that person was in an engineering grade, and in a locality with a decent boost (actually, I'm not sure if the locality adjustment figures into this, but let's assume it does).  For their last three years, they averaged 80k, which puts them around GS-12.

They will get, then, 8k a year.  A not insignificant portion of which they paid into themselves.  To even get that, they must have reached the minimum retirement age (MRA) and/or minimum federal service.

FERS caps out in the neighborhood of 30%, but that requires 30 years of government service.  FERS employees also contribute to Social Security, but the older CSRS members do not (normally), and can optionally take advantage of the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), which is similar to a 401(k).


And if you think government employees are just paper pushers, well, you're wrong.  Just look at how much is shut down, just with the "non-essential" employees furloughed today.  If the essential employees were sent home as well, the damage to the country and the economy would be immense.


Certainly, under the old
 
2013-10-01 04:33:22 PM

vrax: Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something?  I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.


No gates. The memorials and Mall are open all night. The mall is like a giant unfenced yard.

The Park Police are real cops and are also unaffected. So there are guys there to bust you.
 
2013-10-01 04:35:01 PM
Hmmm, that cut off in an odd place.


Picking up:


Certainly, under the old CSRS system, which didn't have an upper limit on the pension percentage, there could be cause for alarm.  But we haven't had that around for 25 years.  Something over 95% of current government employees are on FERS.
 
2013-10-01 04:39:18 PM
It's a superficial shut down if the evictors and prosecutors are still on the job.

boring superficial shutdown and I'm suppose to care?
 
2013-10-01 04:40:47 PM

vrax: Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something?  I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.


Nope, right by a lot of the others on one end of the reflecting pool.
 
2013-10-01 04:41:29 PM
Well, I hope they were arrested, booked and tried for trespassing on public grounds.

Nobody is above the law.

/Yes, I'm joking.
//Good on 'em!
 
2013-10-01 04:42:57 PM
tagkc
Hey look! The RNCC is even blaming the closure on the Democrats.

Why is there only like one person in that picture that looks remotely old enough to be a WWII vet?
 
2013-10-01 04:45:13 PM
Torchsong
/Yes, I'm joking

IOKIYAR
 
2013-10-01 04:52:39 PM
A little late to this thread, but while I applaud the vets, why is Rep. King, who is being paid while I was booted out of my office today and for who knows how long, why is he available for photo ops on the taxpayer's dime and not, you know, working on a solution to the problem he and his mates are responsible for?
 
2013-10-01 04:56:12 PM

lockers: So the derpists just break the law when they don't like what they have forced to happen. Intervesting.


I wouldn't automatically count 'WWII Vets' as 'derpists'.  They're historically all parties.  They do probably lean republican today, but more due to the demographics of their age group.

Walker: Where did they get the money to pay this doofus to go around with his twisty ties and signs?
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Congress can't pay $0 to let people visit the Lincoln Memorial, but can pay these two park police officers to make sure no one visits it. Federal Government logic!
[www.wusa9.com image 640x360]

How are all these people being paid?
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1.  'Critical' positions such as police are still being manned, but unpaid(for now).  It sucks, but the dude probably isn't getting a paycheck while still being required to work.
2.  Odds are he's not being hired special for this.  He's probably park security and normally does things like help lost kids, stop pickpockets, break up fights, guide tourists and such.
3.  Sometimes you have to spend money to save money.  Paying people to put already paid for fences(because renovations) in place with freshly printed signs(probably using prepaid for office supplies).
4.  No people theoretically means you don't need to pay the housecleaning.
 
2013-10-01 04:57:30 PM

Lawnchair: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

No, not just you.  I'm a lefty-lefty, but there's a lot of dumb drama going on here too.  I've already hit a couple of federal websites that are blacked out (some Library of Congress links, some Census Factfinder figures).  I mean, seriously, the servers are there.  They're presumably still plugged in (enough to give me the "shut down" message anyway).  Blocking the info is pedantic.  Seriously... websites run by Orthodox Jews don't shut down for the Sabbath (on the "we're not doing work by leaving this running" reasoning).  There's no reason to shut down the websites.  Or public grounds.  I know, employees can't work, but get the Boy Scouts out to pick up trash or whatever.


s9.postimg.org
 
2013-10-01 04:59:20 PM

Intrepid00: vrax: Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something?  I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.

No gates. The memorials and Mall are open all night. The mall is like a giant unfenced yard.

The Park Police are real cops and are also unaffected. So there are guys there to bust you.


Carn: vrax: Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something?  I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.

Nope, right by a lot of the others on one end of the reflecting pool.


OK, so what the actual fark is being shut down at this site?!  They actually are doing more work to close it than keep it open?
 
2013-10-01 05:11:07 PM

vrax: Carn: vrax: Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something? I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.

Nope, right by a lot of the others on one end of the reflecting pool.

OK, so what the actual fark is being shut down at this site?! They actually are doing more work to close it than keep it open?


They apparently put up temporary fencing around it, as to that being more work than leaving it open is an open question.  I doubt those WWII vets are litterbugs but there are some filthy nasty people who bumming around the mall at times.  Thing is, they're still going to leave their crap and someone is still going to have to clean up after them.  It may not be reducing work so much as moving it to different locations.
 
2013-10-01 05:15:41 PM

skozlaw: Amos Quito: Logic: Close parks - lay off 400 Federal Parks staffers bc "no money".

Assign 4000 armed Federal guards to keep people from visiting closed parks.

Did you just make that up yourself or did some other right-wing crackpot make it up and you're just repeating it?


He read it on the Internet.

It was posted by a French model, so it must be true.
 
2013-10-01 05:16:03 PM

Lawnchair: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

No, not just you.  I'm a lefty-lefty, but there's a lot of dumb drama going on here too.  I've already hit a couple of federal websites that are blacked out (some Library of Congress links, some Census Factfinder figures).  I mean, seriously, the servers are there.  They're presumably still plugged in (enough to give me the "shut down" message anyway).  Blocking the info is pedantic.  Seriously... websites run by Orthodox Jews don't shut down for the Sabbath (on the "we're not doing work by leaving this running" reasoning).  There's no reason to shut down the websites.  Or public grounds.  I know, employees can't work, but get the Boy Scouts out to pick up trash or whatever.


Thank you for speaking truth to idiocy. If people from both sides of the isle entered a discussion with your temperament, things might get solved. Instead, as shown here on Fark, the farthest to both sides have the loudest voices and drown the rest of us out.The right fights for states rights, the left wants marijuana legalized, ummm, they're the same thing! If we could focus on the common ground we share, instead of the differences, we could have an honest discussion.
 
2013-10-01 05:16:44 PM

Mr. Eugenides: vrax: Carn: vrax: Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something? I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.

Nope, right by a lot of the others on one end of the reflecting pool.

OK, so what the actual fark is being shut down at this site?! They actually are doing more work to close it than keep it open?

They apparently put up temporary fencing around it, as to that being more work than leaving it open is an open question.  I doubt those WWII vets are litterbugs but there are some filthy nasty people who bumming around the mall at times.  Thing is, they're still going to leave their crap and someone is still going to have to clean up after them.  It may not be reducing work so much as moving it to different locations.


Hmm.  I just doesn't sound like anything is missing that changes the availability of this site, unless their are paid curators or something who are always there, but that doesn't sound critical to operation, since there is really no operation.
 
2013-10-01 05:22:47 PM

MarkEC: Lawnchair: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

No, not just you.  I'm a lefty-lefty, but there's a lot of dumb drama going on here too.  I've already hit a couple of federal websites that are blacked out (some Library of Congress links, some Census Factfinder figures).  I mean, seriously, the servers are there.  They're presumably still plugged in (enough to give me the "shut down" message anyway).  Blocking the info is pedantic.  Seriously... websites run by Orthodox Jews don't shut down for the Sabbath (on the "we're not doing work by leaving this running" reasoning).  There's no reason to shut down the websites.  Or public grounds.  I know, employees can't work, but get the Boy Scouts out to pick up trash or whatever.

Thank you for speaking truth to idiocy. If people from both sides of the isle entered a discussion with your temperament, things might get solved. Instead, as shown here on Fark, the farthest to both sides have the loudest voices and drown the rest of us out.The right fights for states rights, the left wants marijuana legalized, ummm, they're the same thing! If we could focus on the common ground we share, instead of the differences, we could have an honest discussion.


In most cases, this is true.  However, in our current situation, there is only one side that is seriously farking things up and that's the GOP.  Their version of compromise is "Let me take everything you have, plus give me everything else I want and we'll call it even."  Sounds reasonable, if you are insane.
 
2013-10-01 05:23:04 PM
Just heard on the news that the trail system at Valley Forge was closed.

/nobody said a peep when I rode my bike on some of them today
//all the parking lots were closed, but where I went.. I don't need... parking lots
 
2013-10-01 05:27:39 PM

Mr. Eugenides: vrax: Carn: vrax: Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to visit the memorial site, but is it in a gated park or something? I'm unclear on exactly what there is to close.

Nope, right by a lot of the others on one end of the reflecting pool.

OK, so what the actual fark is being shut down at this site?! They actually are doing more work to close it than keep it open?

They apparently put up temporary fencing around it, as to that being more work than leaving it open is an open question.  I doubt those WWII vets are litterbugs but there are some filthy nasty people who bumming around the mall at times.  Thing is, they're still going to leave their crap and someone is still going to have to clean up after them.  It may not be reducing work so much as moving it to different locations.


Sure. Moves it to privately owned property, as it should be. If Congress won't fund the government, someone needs to pick up the tab. I thought that was the Teapublican wet dream, no government and privatization of everything?
 
2013-10-01 05:32:18 PM

lockers: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

There is a public safety issue and the government is liable. They shut it down because to avoid liability. These people are tresspassing, but lucky for them there are no public safety people to stop them.


you are a gutless asshole.
 
2013-10-01 05:32:35 PM
And the suggestions that volunteers keep the place clean aren't helping either, because without anyone to police visitors it's pretty likely that the monuments will get defaced if the public has access to them. So unless we can scare up some volunteers who can, without causing further damage, power wash a swastika off architectural marble, scrub dried half-caff caramel macchiolatte residue off bell bronze, or replace Lincoln's nose after some tourist took it home as a souvenir, everyone's better off just staying home.
 
2013-10-01 05:36:05 PM

PunGent: I see Rep. Steve King, R-IA, lacks the courage of his convictions.


I must admit that I am thoroughly enjoying his newest book, Doctor Sleep.
 
2013-10-01 05:37:48 PM

Mr. Eugenides: They apparently put up temporary fencing around it, as to that being more work than leaving it open is an open question. I doubt those WWII vets are litterbugs but there are some filthy nasty people who bumming around the mall at times. Thing is, they're still going to leave their crap and someone is still going to have to clean up after them. It may not be reducing work so much as moving it to different locations.


Yeah, temporary fencing can be put up quickly.  I'd say that, generally speaking, any moderately visited site that's busy enough to require a dedicated trash team, guides, and attendants will 'pay back' for the expense of putting the fencing up in 1-3 days.  Well, as long as they already have the fencing somewhere, which for most federal sites I'd rate as 'very likely' as they frequently have to temporarily shut something down, use them for queues, divert traffic, and all the other things temporary barriers are useful for.
 
2013-10-01 05:40:53 PM

vrax: MarkEC: Lawnchair: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

No, not just you.  I'm a lefty-lefty, but there's a lot of dumb drama going on here too.  I've already hit a couple of federal websites that are blacked out (some Library of Congress links, some Census Factfinder figures).  I mean, seriously, the servers are there.  They're presumably still plugged in (enough to give me the "shut down" message anyway).  Blocking the info is pedantic.  Seriously... websites run by Orthodox Jews don't shut down for the Sabbath (on the "we're not doing work by leaving this running" reasoning).  There's no reason to shut down the websites.  Or public grounds.  I know, employees can't work, but get the Boy Scouts out to pick up trash or whatever.

Thank you for speaking truth to idiocy. If people from both sides of the isle entered a discussion with your temperament, things might get solved. Instead, as shown here on Fark, the farthest to both sides have the loudest voices and drown the rest of us out.The right fights for states rights, the left wants marijuana legalized, ummm, they're the same thing! If we could focus on the common ground we share, instead of the differences, we could have an honest discussion.

In most cases, this is true.  However, in our current situation, there is only one side that is seriously farking things up and that's the GOP.  Their version of compromise is "Let me take everything you have, plus give me everything else I want and we'll call it even."  Sounds reasonable, if you are insane.


Is it reasonable that some penalties of the law are delayed for a year but not the individual penalty? How many exceptions have been given? Is it reasonable that it's been 3 years since the law was passed but the exchanges are not ready? Is it fair in your opinion that a lot of people are having their insurance rates tripled? I work for a company with less than the required 50, but it offered health insurance, guess what? I have family members that have been told they are not going to work more than 30 hours per week because of the ACA. Tough shiat for them? The ACA as written is horrible. Can we have a discussion about what should replace it or are you too much of a partisan to actually discuss solutions instead of throwing blame around?
 
2013-10-01 05:44:36 PM

profplump: but let's not pretend that all the people who work at the monument have worthless jobs just to make a political point.


I'm taking into account this shutdown will last a few days to two weeks, tops.  And all employees will be retroactively paid for goofing off with their families.

You and the others only have a point if the cleanup crew and maintenance workers were going to be laid of for three years.
 
2013-10-01 05:45:17 PM

BunkyBrewman: Just heard on the news that the trail system at Valley Forge was closed.

/nobody said a peep when I rode my bike on some of them today
//all the parking lots were closed, but where I went.. I don't need... parking lots


I wonder if Mount Vernon trail will be attempted closed or if they will just lock the doors oj bathrooms and turn off water fill stations that will closed soon anyway.
 
2013-10-01 05:48:28 PM

Amos Quito: OMG!

Just went to the Grand Canyon National Park webpage: www.nps.gov/grca/

THEY CLOSED THE GRAND CANYON!

[arizonablogging.net image 550x311]

Where will all the water from the Colorado River go now?


Fountains and golf courses in Las Vegas?
 
2013-10-01 05:55:16 PM
MarkEC: The ACA as written is horrible. Can we have a discussion about what should replace it or are you too much of a partisan to actually discuss solutions instead of throwing blame around?

We had those discussions, do you not remember? That's exactly how we ended up with this duckbill platypus.
 
2013-10-01 05:56:11 PM

ferretman: my Grandfather was born in 1915 (was 21 in 1935)


Apparently math worked differently back then.
 
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