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(Think Progress)   Park Service: We're sorry, but the WWII Memorial is closed due to the government shut down. WWII Veterans: How about no? Does no work for you?   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 354
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2013-10-01 01:10:47 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I can respect the idea of this, but they are also breaking the law. Being a veteran does not entitle you to special treatment., or being above the law. Sorry.


How about that freeloading 'Unknown Soldier', squatting in that tomb!?!
 
2013-10-01 01:11:01 PM  

birdmanesq: Some conflicting emotions here about Steve King.

I mean, way to go Steve King.

But how about you spend less time distracting Park Police and more time, you know, not being a festering dick-curd?


Festering dick-curd is how The Stand started.
 
2013-10-01 01:11:13 PM  

skozlaw: Amos Quito: Logic: Close parks - lay off 400 Federal Parks staffers bc "no money".

Assign 4000 armed Federal guards to keep people from visiting closed parks.

Did you just make that up yourself or did some other right-wing crackpot make it up and you're just repeating it?



I BLAME REPUBLICANS!!!! + !


/There, feel better now?
 
2013-10-01 01:11:23 PM  

Lost Thought 00: parkke0108: Remember, what they're doing on the hill doesn't mean everyone else has to be stupid too.  I'm not surprised that the cops didn't force the vets out, and good on them for that.  I think that the rangers at the national parks should let people in too, despite the shutdown.

If a shopping mall shuts down would you suggest that it be left unlocked as well?


A public memorial and a shopping mall are not comparable.

/Except how they both sell overpriced doodads
 
2013-10-01 01:11:27 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: shiat, if you want your very own Lincoln head now is the time, there isn't anyone there to stop you and apparently it's cool to just walk in.

Just don't paint it green.


shiat's mine. I'll paint it any color I like.
 
2013-10-01 01:11:32 PM  
no one to run the rides?????
 
2013-10-01 01:11:39 PM  

jjorsett: Yes, by all means send the federal equivalent of mall cops to try to clap in the slammer people who faced down Hitler and Tojo. That'll get the public on your side.


What side? This isn't a political issue, if they're at a closed monument they're trespassing. You don't just get to ignore the law because you don't like it. The government isn't funded, the monument doesn't open, you don't get to just go in anyway because reasons.

Carousel Beast: What does his [King's] stance have to do with the groups of veterans referenced in the article?


You didn't quote the article's piece about the vets, you quoted PunGent who was talking about tea party baby Steve King.
 
2013-10-01 01:11:49 PM  

mediablitz: What a sad, scared individual you are.


It's just a big "Look what all you can't do because of the meany Republicans" farce.

I assure you I'm not sad, and what the hell makes you think I'm scared?

Oh, never mind, it's just one of those fun little phrases you like to throw around.
 
2013-10-01 01:12:07 PM  

lockers: Carousel Beast: What does his [King's] stance have to do with the groups of veterans referenced in the article?

They voted these asshats in.


I give you credit: you work hard to be willfully stupid.
 
2013-10-01 01:12:11 PM  

skozlaw: So arrest them (and King) for trespassing. And slap King with additional charges of disturbing the peace and interfering with police duties.

Shutdown means shutdown. If you don't like it, don't vote for lunatics that do things like this.


I didn't vote for those nutsacks. Therefore I shall go visit the monument.
 
2013-10-01 01:12:19 PM  
I would like to see all federally funded highways and interstates, ports, airports and border crossings closed down until this is resolved. If you want to cripple the economy, they need to do more than just half-arse it.

Also Steve King needs to get back to work instead of photo-opping himself breaking the law along with a bunch of ocotogenerians who helped to cause this mess by raising their boomer kids wrong.
 
2013-10-01 01:12:53 PM  
People being incredulous about this are acting dumb.  They can't afford to clean it or staff it so they shut it down.
 
2013-10-01 01:12:56 PM  
its outside.  you can just walk onto it.  a rope isn't going to stop anyone.
 
2013-10-01 01:13:41 PM  

duenor: A lot of these veterans came from very far away to see this memorial. For them, it means a lot more than blocks of granite. It is worth noting that there are very few memorials for the War (as opposed to Europe, for instance, or Russia) in the United States.

For a number of these veterans, this may be the first and only time they will see the memorial as they will likely not be able to make the trip again. They are also representing far more than themselves; most veterans have already passed away.

To turn them away because of a political dispute would be an outrage, and they acted appropriately.


Yes, let's create a special class of citizen to whom the rules don't apply. That's kind of the entire platform of the derp party, isn't it?

EVERY service that was shut down is going to have some people for whom it's especially needed or desired. There was a way to avoid cheating all those people out of these experiences, a way that most Americans agree on, but derp got what it wanted. This is what it wanted. Don't whine because now you realize the derp party didn't think about how its hissy fit might actually affect normal people. They are fully-aware adults behaving like colicky babies with the mindsets and intentions of fifteen year-olds on a plane full of trapped strangers.
 
2013-10-01 01:14:20 PM  
Anybody checked in on the freepers to see what they think about all this?  I'd check but I don't have the stomach for it today.
 
2013-10-01 01:14:26 PM  

skozlaw: jjorsett: Yes, by all means send the federal equivalent of mall cops to try to clap in the slammer people who faced down Hitler and Tojo. That'll get the public on your side.

What side? This isn't a political issue, if they're at a closed monument they're trespassing. You don't just get to ignore the law because you don't like it. The government isn't funded, the monument doesn't open, you don't get to just go in anyway because reasons.

Carousel Beast: What does his [King's] stance have to do with the groups of veterans referenced in the article?

You didn't quote the article's piece about the vets, you quoted PunGent who was talking about tea party baby Steve King.


You're too much of a partisan hack to read my comments? Well, par for the course for you, I guess. You already claim Republicans are the same as the Taliban and that the Constitution is irrelevant. Enjoy wallowing in your idiocy.
 
2013-10-01 01:14:45 PM  

cgraves67: They stormed those memorials just like the beaches of Germany.


Stormed the memorial?  THey are in their 80's and 90's.  They couldn't storm a storm door now.

But good on them for going in anyway. Only a dick would stop WWII vets from visiting a WWII memorial.
 
2013-10-01 01:14:47 PM  

WTP 2: no one to run the rides?????


Bring your own paddle boat and you can boat in the reflecting pool!
 
2013-10-01 01:14:49 PM  
onlineathens.com

With this guy laid off, the TER-RISTS are free to knock the WTC memorial to the ground!

OMG!
 
2013-10-01 01:14:53 PM  
The WWII Memorial still sucks.
 
2013-10-01 01:15:04 PM  

dr_blasto: sendtodave: See? We can still have government services without having to pay for them!

WWII memorial is not in the Constitution, farkers! Go make your own and open it to the invisible hand!


SHOOT THEM!  WHY AREN'T YOU SHOOTING THEM!
www.totalprosports.com
 
2013-10-01 01:15:15 PM  
According to Stars and Stripes reporter Leo Shane, who took many of the pictures at the scene, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) distracted U.S. Park Police while the barriers were being moved to allow the veterans access.

as someone who supports the shutdown, i found this hilarious.

something something republicans something something barriers something something memorial shutdown.
 
2013-10-01 01:15:19 PM  

The Muthaship: mediablitz: What a sad, scared individual you are.

It's just a big "Look what all you can't do because of the meany Republicans" farce.

I assure you I'm not sad, and what the hell makes you think I'm scared?

Oh, never mind, it's just one of those fun little phrases you like to throw around.


You see "the left" behind every corner. All national parks are required to be shut down, but it's "the left" doing this to look good.

That's just sad and pathetic. That you don't see how sad and pathetic you are isn't surprising though.

A frightened little man blaming "the left" for any and everything. Yep, indeed.
 
2013-10-01 01:15:19 PM  
More National Park workers working when apparently the government has run out of money. NPS rangers? Stay home. Guys who put up barricades? GET DOWN HERE ASAP WITH ALL YOUR FRIENDS!
www.wusa9.com

Bring out the heavy machinery! Gotta stop them 'muricans from visiting here. We're broke you know. Hey, are we getting OT for this?
www.wusa9.com

Even the Normandy American cemetery in France has been shut down! I see you people who snuck in!
www.wusa9.com


"I gots a sign and authora-tie. Ain't nobody gettin in here"
www.wusa9.com
 
2013-10-01 01:16:09 PM  

Amos Quito: [onlineathens.com image 850x566]

With this guy laid off, the TER-RISTS are free to knock the WTC memorial to the ground!

OMG!


Nobody shut down the NYPD.
 
2013-10-01 01:16:13 PM  
If OWS had done this, the park service would have called out the gotdamn national guard.
 
2013-10-01 01:16:23 PM  

SlothB77: its outside.  you can just walk onto it.  a rope isn't going to stop anyone.


Go walk into Glacier National Park. It's outside, after all...
 
2013-10-01 01:17:08 PM  
I too respect this, however, if one of those guys got their hoveround stuck or had someone come by and pick their pocket or god forbid if some jackass dropped a backpack bomb on the site, they would be all be wondering where the cops are.  What happened to security?  Why is there no one to help me?

And Steve King should get a junk punch from the hulk for tarnishing our country.
 
2013-10-01 01:17:09 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: GOP: Doing things Hitler tried and failed to do.


Like institute nation health care and remove guns from the people? Oh, wait...
 
2013-10-01 01:17:14 PM  

stovepipe: Anybody checked in on the freepers to see what they think about all this?  I'd check but I don't have the stomach for it today.


I believe the phrase is "Drowning in semen".
 
2013-10-01 01:18:16 PM  

DamnYankees: The WWII Memorial still sucks.


They turned the fountains off. That'll learn em!
 
2013-10-01 01:18:29 PM  

Weaver95: If OWS had done this, the park service would have called out the gotdamn national guard.


I bet the WWII veterans will not have tents set up for the victims of rape.  In fact, I imagine they'll be gone in a few hours.
 
2013-10-01 01:18:41 PM  

mediablitz: You see "the left" behind every corner


No need to look around corners.

They went and made a show of barricading what amounts to sidewalks.  I hope they barricaded the sidewalks around all the federal buildings, too.

Since the government is "shut down" and all.

Puppet.
 
2013-10-01 01:18:57 PM  

jaybeezey: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: GOP: Doing things Hitler tried and failed to do.

Like institute nation health care and remove guns from the people? Oh, wait...


Yep. No other country on EARTH has instituted national health care or gun control laws.

ONLY HITLER.
 
2013-10-01 01:19:16 PM  
It seems petty, but if you don't actually shut things down then it doesn't sink in.  You need constituents pissed off that their vacations are ruined if you want them to apply any pressure to their legislators. Now, it would be  really bad PR to arrest the vets over this, so it's probably best to let them go.  But farking lock up King.  He's shouldn't get a pass.
 
2013-10-01 01:19:29 PM  
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) distracted U.S. Park Police while the barriers were being moved to allow the veterans access.

It's not like he has anything better to do today
 
2013-10-01 01:20:57 PM  
Jonathan Chait @jonathanchait
Idea: fortify WWII memorial with tank traps and pillboxes manned by elderly Germans.
 
2013-10-01 01:20:59 PM  

The Muthaship: mediablitz: You see "the left" behind every corner

No need to look around corners.
They
went and made a show of barricading what amounts to sidewalks.  I hope they barricaded the sidewalks around all the federal buildings, too.

Since the government is "shut down" and all.

Puppet.


See? You can't help yourself. Yes, it was "the left" doing what the law requires. All "the left".

Sad and pathetic. Ooh! And a "puppet" slam. What a tough guy!

Post some more! I enjoy pointing and laughing.
 
2013-10-01 01:21:19 PM  

mediablitz: jaybeezey: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: GOP: Doing things Hitler tried and failed to do.

Like institute nation health care and remove guns from the people? Oh, wait...

Yep. No other country on EARTH has instituted national health care or gun control laws.

ONLY HITLER.


Hitler actually lessened restrictions on gun ownership.  So long as you were a non-Jewish citizen your right to own a gun was very much expanded compared to his predecessors.
 
2013-10-01 01:21:47 PM  
I fought the law but the law won.
 
2013-10-01 01:22:18 PM  

Carousel Beast: You already claim Republicans are the same as the Taliban and that the Constitution is irrelevant


What the bloody hell? Are you having a stroke?
 
2013-10-01 01:22:25 PM  

Lawnchair: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

No, not just you.  I'm a lefty-lefty, but there's a lot of dumb drama going on here too.  I've already hit a couple of federal websites that are blacked out (some Library of Congress links, some Census Factfinder figures).  I mean, seriously, the servers are there.  They're presumably still plugged in (enough to give me the "shut down" message anyway).  Blocking the info is pedantic.  Seriously... websites run by Orthodox Jews don't shut down for the Sabbath (on the "we're not doing work by leaving this running" reasoning).  There's no reason to shut down the websites.  Or public grounds.  I know, employees can't work, but get the Boy Scouts out to pick up trash or whatever.


Running a single serve to say "Sorry, we're closed" is a lot less expensive than running the tens of servers that contain the actual information. Believe it or not, websites aren't magic or free.
 
2013-10-01 01:23:26 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Lost Thought 00: Everyone wants teh services, no one wants to pay for it. Freedom ain't free. Pony up if you want to honor your fallen comrades at a public memorial

They're veterans who survived. They've "ponied up" all they need to. You are in their debt.


Got it. So the rest of the government can shut down, except for anything that vets want.
 
2013-10-01 01:23:39 PM  

James!: grumpfuff: skozlaw: Carousel Beast: It's amazing how many idiot Farkers here think the people involved must be ZOMG TEAHDISTS. You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.

The "person involved" in that comment was Steve King, tea party darling who has spoken at numerous tea party rallies and enjoy wide support among tea party adherents.

I have no idea what you think Roosevelt has to do with the fact that Steve King is a teaderp.

In fairness to King, he has blamed the Tea Party for the shutdown and compared them to terrorists. He wants to repeal Obamacare, yes, but he thinks this is the wrong way to do it.

Wrong King.  Steve Kind is from Iowa, the King you're talking about is Peter King formerly of the IRA.


Dammit. I always do that. I should know better by now, I'm in NJ so I hear about Pete much more often than Steve.
 
2013-10-01 01:24:11 PM  
Haha. I'm eating endangered wild life and there's nothing you can do about it!

mmmmm, bald eagle!

woldfitness.com
 
2013-10-01 01:24:20 PM  

mediablitz: Yes, it was "the left" doing what the law requires.


The law requires these barricades?

I'd like to read that.
 
2013-10-01 01:24:43 PM  

BalugaJoe: I fought the law but the law won.


Actually, I doubt the law will win. They probably haven't got the manpower even if we are talking about people mostly north of 80 years old.
 
2013-10-01 01:25:15 PM  
And when those memorial incur millions of dollars worth of damage because they are open to the public with noone to gaurd them and vandals figure this out, I am Sure Rep Steve King will be the first to condemn the Park Service for "incompetence"
 
2013-10-01 01:25:16 PM  
Bunch of whiny, entitled vets who want more stuff they aren't paying for.
 
2013-10-01 01:25:17 PM  

Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?


You have to pay people to put up barricades.  How else are you going to claim that not running the government costs $2 Billion more than the $3 Billion a day you spend running it.
 
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