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(Think Progress)   Park Service: We're sorry, but the WWII Memorial is closed due to the government shut down. WWII Veterans: How about no? Does no work for you?   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2013-10-01 12:54:56 PM  

parkke0108: Remember, what they're doing on the hill doesn't mean everyone else has to be stupid too.  I'm not surprised that the cops didn't force the vets out, and good on them for that.  I think that the rangers at the national parks should let people in too, despite the shutdown.


And when some jackass starts a forest fire?
 
2013-10-01 12:54:58 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Everyone wants teh services, no one wants to pay for it. Freedom ain't free. Pony up if you want to honor your fallen comrades at a public memorial


THIS

You farking retards that vote for Republicans caused this. Close the shiat down and when you see that something YOU like is no longer available, maybe you'll think before voting like an asshole.
 
2013-10-01 12:55:23 PM  

lockers: So the derpists just break the law when they don't like what they have forced to happen. Intervesting.


Obama showed them the way. When your opponent ignores the law, then you'd be foolish to do otherwise. Welcome to the political version of Gresham's Law.
 
2013-10-01 12:55:44 PM  
A lot of these veterans came from very far away to see this memorial. For them, it means a lot more than blocks of granite. It is worth noting that there are very few memorials for the War (as opposed to Europe, for instance, or Russia) in the United States.

For a number of these veterans, this may be the first and only time they will see the memorial as they will likely not be able to make the trip again. They are also representing far more than themselves; most veterans have already passed away.

To turn them away because of a political dispute would be an outrage, and they acted appropriately.
 
2013-10-01 12:56:18 PM  

Carousel Beast: It's amazing how many idiot Farkers here think the people involved must be ZOMG TEAHDISTS. You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.


The "person involved" in that comment was Steve King, tea party darling who has spoken at numerous tea party rallies and enjoy wide support among tea party adherents.

I have no idea what you think Roosevelt has to do with the fact that Steve King is a teaderp.
 
2013-10-01 12:56:27 PM  

This text is now purple: DubyaHater: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

Because without police around to monitor the area, fights could break out. Eventually some asshole will pull a gun and people subsequently die.
Bad things can happen when large groups of people come together

The police have no obligation to prevent crime.


wat?
 
2013-10-01 12:56:27 PM  

Ker_Thwap: How the holy hell can people be treating this article as a left vs. right contest?  Veterans come in all flavors.


And are served best deep fried and topped with brown gravy
 
2013-10-01 12:57:07 PM  
Let's hope none of them slip and fall.
 
2013-10-01 12:57:37 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Everyone wants teh services, no one wants to pay for it. Freedom ain't free. Pony up if you want to honor your fallen comrades at a public memorial


They're veterans who survived. They've "ponied up" all they need to. You are in their debt.
 
2013-10-01 12:57:42 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Carousel Beast: You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.

Most WW2 vets were not old enough to vote at the time. Certainly any that are alive today were not allowed to vote. Voting age was 21 (higher in some states). That didn't change until Vietnam protests


Citation? Because searching gets a consensus of "early 20's" and the command structure was certainly older than the young volunteers for service.
 
2013-10-01 12:57:47 PM  

fickenchucker: lockers: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

There is a public safety issue and the government is liable. They shut it down because to avoid liability. These people are tresspassing, but lucky for them there are no public safety people to stop them.

I'm calling bullshiat on that reason.


Do what you want, it doesn't make you right.
 
2013-10-01 12:58:07 PM  

sendtodave: See? We can still have government services without having to pay for them!


WWII memorial is not in the Constitution, farkers! Go make your own and open it to the invisible hand!
 
2013-10-01 12:58:59 PM  

skozlaw: So arrest them (and King) for trespassing. And slap King with additional charges of disturbing the peace and interfering with police duties.

Shutdown means shutdown. If you don't like it, don't vote for lunatics that do things like this.


Yes, by all means send the federal equivalent of mall cops to try to clap in the slammer people who faced down Hitler and Tojo. That'll get the public on your side.
 
2013-10-01 12:59:06 PM  

DubyaHater: The police have no obligation to prevent crime.

wat?


He's right. Often times the do preventive services, but they are there to enforce the law, not prevent it from being broken.
 
2013-10-01 12:59:20 PM  
There was a crew of WWII veterans that sailed their restored LST (I think it was an LST) across the Atlantic and into Normandy for the 50th anniversary of D-Day.

Those guys were tough. The ones I really feel bad for were the Depression kids who grew up hard, riding the rails, etc. then fought WWII for a few years running.

Jeebus. I don't know whether I could fight for a country that robbed me of my childhood, starved me, turned my family out on the street...I guess the threat of a firing squad does wonders. Plus there are patriots, too.
 
2013-10-01 12:59:20 PM  
Tell me something. It's still "we the people", right?
 
2013-10-01 12:59:29 PM  
King and his cronies are responsible for closing the memorial in the first place. What a hypocritical asshole.
 
2013-10-01 12:59:47 PM  

jjorsett: federal equivalent of mall cops


LULZ
 
2013-10-01 12:59:48 PM  
WW II Vet1: The memorial is closed!

WW II Vet2: Do we call the park or the police?

WW II Vets: Let's call the Park Police!

WW II Vets: CALLING THE PARK POLICE!

Park Police: What's all this then. Are any of you endangered squirrels? There doesn't seem to be as many around as there used to be.

WW II Vet: Why is the park closed?

Park Police: Because there's no one here who can run it. No bloody money in the budget, matey.

WW II Vet: Well, we can run it. All we have to do is clean up after ourselves.

PP: What? You think you have what it takes to be a GS-12 slash 4 dot 9 Park maintainer (second class)? I think not.

Sergeant Major: Sorry. Sorry. This isn't making any sense at all. Why is the Park Police speaking in a British accent? Yes. We get it. Services are cut. Now, all of you, be off. Go.
 
2013-10-01 01:00:18 PM  

skozlaw: Carousel Beast: It's amazing how many idiot Farkers here think the people involved must be ZOMG TEAHDISTS. You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.

The "person involved" in that comment was Steve King, tea party darling who has spoken at numerous tea party rallies and enjoy wide support among tea party adherents.

I have no idea what you think Roosevelt has to do with the fact that Steve King is a teaderp.


What does his [King's] stance have to do with the groups of veterans referenced in the article?
 
2013-10-01 01:01:24 PM  
>The police have no obligation to prevent crime.

>wat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
 
2013-10-01 01:01:37 PM  

duenor: A lot of these veterans came from very far away to see this memorial. For them, it means a lot more than blocks of granite. It is worth noting that there are very few memorials for the War (as opposed to Europe, for instance, or Russia) in the United States.

For a number of these veterans, this may be the first and only time they will see the memorial as they will likely not be able to make the trip again. They are also representing far more than themselves; most veterans have already passed away.

To turn them away because of a political dispute would be an outrage, and they acted appropriately.


Take your sane arguments and get out of here.  This is Fark, bastion of herpderp, where everyone has a political agenda and every action is a political statement because that's the way it should be.
 
2013-10-01 01:01:47 PM  

PainInTheASP: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

Well you know, it$ the little thing$ like the park brochure ($7.50), conce$$ions (hot dog: $5, $oft drink: $3), tour$ ($25 adult$$$, $12.50 youth$$, children under 5 free--with rental of park $troller: $20/day).

Mainly ju$t en$uring the $afety and comfort of the clientele by providing adequate $taff and re$ources.

/Just my 2¢


Two years ago (well, almost, it was 10/12/11) I conducted my own cheap-ass walking tour of the Mall, starting out at Arlington, walked the whole bridge over the river, and went all the way from the Lincoln Memorial to the Air & Space museum on the other end. Packed a couple of snacks and some water and didn't spend any money til dinner later. And yes, I was from out of town; stayed in a hotel in Crystal City and took the Metro. Basically a three day tour cost me $40 for food and transportation since the hotel was actually part of my husband's work thing.

I'm kind of undecided on the whole shutting down the memorials issue because you KNOW people are going to be jerks and litter, plus a while back there was vandalism at Lincoln, but it is entirely possible to see most of the sights FOR FREE with a little planning ahead.
 
2013-10-01 01:01:55 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: WW II Vet1: The memorial is closed!

WW II Vet2: Do we call the park or the police?

WW II Vets: Let's call the Park Police!

WW II Vets: CALLING THE PARK POLICE!

Park Police: What's all this then. Are any of you endangered squirrels? There doesn't seem to be as many around as there used to be.

WW II Vet: Why is the park closed?

Park Police: Because there's no one here who can run it. No bloody money in the budget, matey.

WW II Vet: Well, we can run it. All we have to do is clean up after ourselves.

PP: What? You think you have what it takes to be a GS-12 slash 4 dot 9 Park maintainer (second class)? I think not.

Sergeant Major: Sorry. Sorry. This isn't making any sense at all. Why is the Park Police speaking in a British accent? Yes. We get it. Services are cut. Now, all of you, be off. Go.


Good. That comment was far too silly.
 
2013-10-01 01:02:08 PM  
Where did they get the money to pay this doofus to go around with his twisty ties and signs?
www.wusa9.com

Congress can't pay $0 to let people visit the Lincoln Memorial, but can pay these two park police officers to make sure no one visits it. Federal Government logic!
www.wusa9.com

How are all these people being paid?
www.wusa9.com
 
2013-10-01 01:02:08 PM  

farkingfun: >The police have no obligation to prevent crime.

>wat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia


Do you really want them to have that obligation?
 
2013-10-01 01:02:14 PM  

PainInTheASP: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

Well you know, it$ the little thing$ like the park brochure ($7.50), conce$$ions (hot dog: $5, $oft drink: $3), tour$ ($25 adult$$$, $12.50 youth$$, children under 5 free--with rental of park $troller: $20/day).

Mainly ju$t en$uring the $afety and comfort of the clientele by providing adequate $taff and re$ources.

/Just my 2¢



You're an idiot.  The simple memorials have no fees.

Some of the complex ones may charge for elevator rides.  The Smithsonian is free, too, but they have a lot of overhead to pay for all the attendants, so closing that makes sense.
 
2013-10-01 01:02:25 PM  

lockers: DubyaHater: The police have no obligation to prevent crime.

wat?

He's right. Often times the do preventive services, but they are there to enforce the law, not prevent it from being broken.


Right, but when a fight breaks out in a public place, the police usually step in to prevent it from escalating.
 
2013-10-01 01:02:30 PM  

DubyaHater: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

Because without police around to monitor the area, fights could break out. Eventually some asshole will pull a gun and people subsequently die.
Bad things can happen when large groups of people come together


How big of a group does it have to be? Like 100 or so, or more like 435ish?
 
2013-10-01 01:02:58 PM  

skozlaw: Carousel Beast: It's amazing how many idiot Farkers here think the people involved must be ZOMG TEAHDISTS. You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.

The "person involved" in that comment was Steve King, tea party darling who has spoken at numerous tea party rallies and enjoy wide support among tea party adherents.

I have no idea what you think Roosevelt has to do with the fact that Steve King is a teaderp.


In fairness to King, he has blamed the Tea Party for the shutdown and compared them to terrorists. He wants to repeal Obamacare, yes, but he thinks this is the wrong way to do it.
 
2013-10-01 01:03:25 PM  

The Muthaship: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

It is, but it aids the left's message.

 
2013-10-01 01:03:33 PM  

Ker_Thwap: How the holy hell can people be treating this article as a left vs. right contest?  Veterans come in all flavors.


Neopolitan?
 
2013-10-01 01:03:54 PM  
shiat, if you want your very own Lincoln head now is the time, there isn't anyone there to stop you and apparently it's cool to just walk in.
 
2013-10-01 01:03:59 PM  

Ker_Thwap: How the holy hell can people be treating this article as a left vs. right contest?  Veterans come in all flavors.


Because Steve King, the man who heroically distracted those park rangers, said this a few days ago.

"If there is a price to be paid for this, we will recover from a government shutdown, whether it's a day, a week or two weeks ... something will get resolved, we'll recover from that as a country," said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa). "It's a temporary inconvenience for a lot of people. But if Obamacare is ever implemented, we will never recover from that as a nation. We can never be a free people again."

He set out to shut down the government and is now trying to grab some spotlight.
 
2013-10-01 01:04:06 PM  

Ker_Thwap: How the holy hell can people be treating this article as a left vs. right contest?  Veterans come in all flavors.


Because this thread blew past Albequerque and went straight on to LibRetardville in the boobies.
 
2013-10-01 01:04:11 PM  

Carousel Beast: What does his [King's] stance have to do with the groups of veterans referenced in the article?


They voted these asshats in.
 
2013-10-01 01:04:54 PM  
Why do they nee to put up barriers? Other than Park Rangers, people don't actually work there, do they? And do the park ranger actually do anything but stand around?
 
2013-10-01 01:05:00 PM  
Rep. Steve King (R-IA)

Setting the castle on fire so he can rescue the princess.  Vote for me.
 
2013-10-01 01:05:04 PM  

grumpfuff: skozlaw: Carousel Beast: It's amazing how many idiot Farkers here think the people involved must be ZOMG TEAHDISTS. You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.

The "person involved" in that comment was Steve King, tea party darling who has spoken at numerous tea party rallies and enjoy wide support among tea party adherents.

I have no idea what you think Roosevelt has to do with the fact that Steve King is a teaderp.

In fairness to King, he has blamed the Tea Party for the shutdown and compared them to terrorists. He wants to repeal Obamacare, yes, but he thinks this is the wrong way to do it.


Wrong King.  Steve Kind is from Iowa, the King you're talking about is Peter King formerly of the IRA.
 
2013-10-01 01:05:45 PM  

DubyaHater: Right, but when a fight breaks out in a public place, the police usually step in to prevent it from escalating.


Assault is against the law. Typically they arrest people fighting in public.
 
2013-10-01 01:06:19 PM  

James!: shiat, if you want your very own Lincoln head now is the time, there isn't anyone there to stop you and apparently it's cool to just walk in.


Just don't paint it green.
 
2013-10-01 01:06:21 PM  

Lawnchair: Seriously... websites run by Orthodox Jews don't shut down for the Sabbath (on the "we're not doing work by leaving this running" reasoning).


Some of them do, actually -- bandhphoto.com, notably.
 
2013-10-01 01:06:44 PM  

The Muthaship: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

It is, but it aids the left's message.


What a sad, scared individual you are.
 
2013-10-01 01:07:06 PM  
I can respect the idea of this, but they are also breaking the law. Being a veteran does not entitle you to special treatment., or being above the law. Sorry.
 
2013-10-01 01:08:54 PM  

James!: grumpfuff: skozlaw: Carousel Beast: It's amazing how many idiot Farkers here think the people involved must be ZOMG TEAHDISTS. You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.

The "person involved" in that comment was Steve King, tea party darling who has spoken at numerous tea party rallies and enjoy wide support among tea party adherents.

I have no idea what you think Roosevelt has to do with the fact that Steve King is a teaderp.

In fairness to King, he has blamed the Tea Party for the shutdown and compared them to terrorists. He wants to repeal Obamacare, yes, but he thinks this is the wrong way to do it.

Wrong King.  Steve Kind is from Iowa, the King you're talking about is Peter King formerly of the IRA.


Peter King writes for Sports Illustrated and loves Tom Brady....probably a libby lib.
 
2013-10-01 01:08:59 PM  
It's all just legal theatre.
 The barricades are there so the government can argue they aren't liable if someone should fall.  They were trying to keep people out, honest.

 The police are there so they can argue it isn't *their* fault if someone disregarded the barricade and then falls.  They were enforcing the barricade, scouts honor!


The congressman is doing the 'distracting' so no innocent plebe is charged with obstruction, if someone who disregarded the barricade later falls.  He was just asking some honest questions about the policy! (not that he's getting sued in any case)

And the story is there so we can all feel good about a 'common sense' triumph over those knuckleheads in DC.
  / A real triumph would be a legal system that didn't require this charade


// God forbid one of those veterans *does* fall -- this common sense triumph would turn into a serious shiat-show in record time
 
2013-10-01 01:09:01 PM  

lockers: DubyaHater: Right, but when a fight breaks out in a public place, the police usually step in to prevent it from escalating.

Assault is against the law. Typically they arrest people fighting in public.


That's my point. Someone is trying to convince me the police have no obligation to prevent or intervene in physical altercations.
 
2013-10-01 01:09:24 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I can respect the idea of this, but they are also breaking the law. Being a veteran does not entitle you to special treatment., or being above the law. Sorry.


Right, thats only for politicians
 
2013-10-01 01:09:33 PM  

topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.


Except this is Homeland and if some jackass trips and busts his head open on a marble column or drowns in the fountain you know that they sue the shiat out of the US Park Service.
 
2013-10-01 01:09:51 PM  
Some conflicting emotions here about Steve King.

I mean, way to go Steve King.

But how about you spend less time distracting Park Police and more time, you know, not being a festering dick-curd?
 
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