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(Think Progress)   Park Service: We're sorry, but the WWII Memorial is closed due to the government shut down. WWII Veterans: How about no? Does no work for you?   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 355
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2013-10-01 12:42:03 PM
So the derpists just break the law when they don't like what they have forced to happen. Intervesting.
 
2013-10-01 12:42:42 PM
Saw this little earlier, Hero tag well used subby.

F*ck the government shut down.
 
2013-10-01 12:43:24 PM
According to Stars and Stripes reporter Leo Shane, who took many of the pictures at the scene, Rep. Steve King (R-IA)   while the barriers were being moved to allow the veterans access.

Good to know laws only apply to little people and LIBS LIBS LIBS
 
2013-10-01 12:43:30 PM
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2013-10-01 12:44:01 PM
Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?
 
2013-10-01 12:44:33 PM
What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.
 
2013-10-01 12:45:32 PM
Those dirty hippies should get a job! I can't help it if they made poor decisions in life. Where's Pepper Spray Cop when we need him?
 
2013-10-01 12:45:53 PM
I didn't bite Hitler's nutsack etc. etc. (shakes fist at cloud)
 
2013-10-01 12:46:03 PM

PawisBetlog: Goodcat.jpg


chairsoft-press.com

???
 
2013-10-01 12:46:30 PM

Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?


It is, but it aids the left's message.
 
2013-10-01 12:46:34 PM
I see Rep. Steve King, R-IA, lacks the courage of his convictions.

This is the problem with the modern Republicans...they can't decide if they're proud of the shutdown or not.  They alternate between "best thing ever, about time", and "it's all the Democrat's fault".

Have some self-respect, ffs, make up your minds.  You'll still be wrong, but you'll at least show a little gumption.
 
2013-10-01 12:46:55 PM
If the thing is shut down, shouldn't the Park Police be at home with their feet up watching Oprah reruns?
 
2013-10-01 12:47:03 PM
The monuments and parks should be run by non-profits and volunteers anyway. They're too important to be left in the hands of the federal government.
 
2013-10-01 12:47:10 PM

topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.


There is a public safety issue and the government is liable. They shut it down because to avoid liability. These people are tresspassing, but lucky for them there are no public safety people to stop them.
 
2013-10-01 12:47:18 PM
So arrest them (and King) for trespassing. And slap King with additional charges of disturbing the peace and interfering with police duties.

Shutdown means shutdown. If you don't like it, don't vote for lunatics that do things like this.
 
2013-10-01 12:47:29 PM
Thanks a lot, Obama!
 
2013-10-01 12:47:33 PM
We took too much for granite and now we are on a rocky road.
 
2013-10-01 12:47:42 PM
Remember, what they're doing on the hill doesn't mean everyone else has to be stupid too.  I'm not surprised that the cops didn't force the vets out, and good on them for that.  I think that the rangers at the national parks should let people in too, despite the shutdown.
 
2013-10-01 12:47:52 PM

valar_morghulis: According to Stars and Stripes reporter Leo Shane, who took many of the pictures at the scene, Rep. Steve King (R-IA)   while the barriers were being moved to allow the veterans access.

Good to know laws only apply to little people and LIBS LIBS LIBS


Be a shame if Steve King got tazed and arrested.
 
2013-10-01 12:47:56 PM
GOP: Doing things Hitler tried and failed to do.
 
2013-10-01 12:48:08 PM
Everyone wants teh services, no one wants to pay for it. Freedom ain't free. Pony up if you want to honor your fallen comrades at a public memorial
 
2013-10-01 12:48:28 PM

PunGent: I see Rep. Steve King, R-IA, lacks the courage of his convictions.

This is the problem with the modern Republicans...they can't decide if they're proud of the shutdown or not.  They alternate between "best thing ever, about time", and "it's all the Democrat's fault".

Have some self-respect, ffs, make up your minds.  You'll still be wrong, but you'll at least show a little gumption.


Also, it's rather hard to help solve the shutdown from the World War II memorial. Shouldn't he be working or something?
 
2013-10-01 12:48:28 PM
I like gumption.

/gumption
 
2013-10-01 12:48:48 PM

Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?


THIS.

That just seems petty.  "We're shutdown, so fark off and don't walk here!"
 
2013-10-01 12:49:00 PM
You know who else tried to throw up barricades in front of us, young whippersnapper?

No. Seriously, I'm asking you 'cause I forgot.
 
2013-10-01 12:49:08 PM

The Muthaship: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

It is, but it aids the left's message.


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2013-10-01 12:49:30 PM
How the holy hell can people be treating this article as a left vs. right contest?  Veterans come in all flavors.
 
2013-10-01 12:49:52 PM

parkke0108: Remember, what they're doing on the hill doesn't mean everyone else has to be stupid too.  I'm not surprised that the cops didn't force the vets out, and good on them for that.  I think that the rangers at the national parks should let people in too, despite the shutdown.


If a shopping mall shuts down would you suggest that it be left unlocked as well?
 
2013-10-01 12:50:16 PM
Logic: Close parks - lay off 400 Federal Parks staffers bc "no money".

Assign 4000 armed Federal guards to keep people from visiting closed parks.
 
2013-10-01 12:50:19 PM

topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.


Because without police around to monitor the area, fights could break out. Eventually some asshole will pull a gun and people subsequently die.
Bad things can happen when large groups of people come together
 
2013-10-01 12:50:30 PM

Ker_Thwap: How the holy hell can people be treating this article as a left vs. right contest?  Veterans come in all flavors.


Because this has nothing to do with veterans
 
2013-10-01 12:50:42 PM

Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?


THIS.

There was no reason to "close" an area that is normally just an open area. That's just grade-A butthurt on the part of whoever runs the parks department.

The only "derp" involved here is the bureaucrats who felt the need to do stupid crap like this in response to the "shutdown".
 
2013-10-01 12:50:44 PM
As much as I hate the idea of turning away veterans for budgetary reasons, you get a better response (and voter retribution) if a security guard makes it clear that they can't come in because Congress acted like spoiled children.
 
2013-10-01 12:50:55 PM
See? We can still have government services without having to pay for them!
 
2013-10-01 12:50:55 PM

lockers: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

There is a public safety issue and the government is liable. They shut it down because to avoid liability. These people are tresspassing, but lucky for them there are no public safety people to stop them.


They could just put up signs that say "Enter at your own risk".  Sort of like "No lifeguard on duty" at the beach.
 
2013-10-01 12:50:56 PM

Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?


No, not just you.  I'm a lefty-lefty, but there's a lot of dumb drama going on here too.  I've already hit a couple of federal websites that are blacked out (some Library of Congress links, some Census Factfinder figures).  I mean, seriously, the servers are there.  They're presumably still plugged in (enough to give me the "shut down" message anyway).  Blocking the info is pedantic.  Seriously... websites run by Orthodox Jews don't shut down for the Sabbath (on the "we're not doing work by leaving this running" reasoning).  There's no reason to shut down the websites.  Or public grounds.  I know, employees can't work, but get the Boy Scouts out to pick up trash or whatever.
 
2013-10-01 12:51:12 PM
Heroes in more ways than one. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. You cannot lock the people out of their own government, and it's absolutely ridiculous to shut down the National Mall. NO Federal dollars are needed to let people go look at a stone memorial/monument that has already been paid for -- in some cases over 100 years ago. And turning off the "panda cam" is also ridiculous. Notice they didn't turn off their own cams in Congress.
 
2013-10-01 12:51:43 PM

lockers: So the derpists just break the law when they don't like what they have forced to happen. Intervesting.


Who would stop them? Aren't the rangers furloughed, too?
 
2013-10-01 12:51:45 PM

PunGent: I see Rep. Steve King, R-IA, lacks the courage of his convictions.

This is the problem with the modern Republicans...they can't decide if they're proud of the shutdown or not.  They alternate between "best thing ever, about time", and "it's all the Democrat's fault".

Have some self-respect, ffs, make up your minds.  You'll still be wrong, but you'll at least show a little gumption.


It's amazing how many idiot Farkers here think the people involved must be ZOMG TEAHDISTS. You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.
 
2013-10-01 12:52:20 PM

Amos Quito: Logic: Close parks - lay off 400 Federal Parks staffers bc "no money".

Assign 4000 armed Federal guards to keep people from visiting closed parks.


Did you just make that up yourself or did some other right-wing crackpot make it up and you're just repeating it?
 
2013-10-01 12:52:41 PM

topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.


Well you know, it$ the little thing$ like the park brochure ($7.50), conce$$ions (hot dog: $5, $oft drink: $3), tour$ ($25 adult$$$, $12.50 youth$$, children under 5 free--with rental of park $troller: $20/day).

Mainly ju$t en$uring the $afety and comfort of the clientele by providing adequate $taff and re$ources.

/Just my 2¢
 
2013-10-01 12:52:59 PM

This text is now purple: lockers: So the derpists just break the law when they don't like what they have forced to happen. Intervesting.

Who would stop them? Aren't the rangers furloughed, too?


That is why they are getting away with trespassing.
 
2013-10-01 12:53:37 PM

DubyaHater: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

Because without police around to monitor the area, fights could break out. Eventually some asshole will pull a gun and people subsequently die.
Bad things can happen when large groups of people come together


The police have no obligation to prevent crime.
 
2013-10-01 12:53:54 PM

Carousel Beast: You know, because no WW2 vets voted for Roosevelt.


Most WW2 vets were not old enough to vote at the time. Certainly any that are alive today were not allowed to vote. Voting age was 21 (higher in some states). That didn't change until Vietnam protests
 
2013-10-01 12:54:06 PM

Walker: This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.



Interesting choice of phrase:

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
 
2013-10-01 12:54:07 PM

lockers: topcon: What's to "shut down?"  It's a little monument you can walk around.  It could exist for the next century(ies) without anyone touching it.

There is a public safety issue and the government is liable. They shut it down because to avoid liability. These people are tresspassing, but lucky for them there are no public safety people to stop them.


I'm calling bullshiat on that reason.  Shutting down that particular monument, and the others like them in true park settings, is just government rules with no thought behind them.  They're probably classified in the same bracket as the other ones that may need more oversight or attendants, such as the Washington Monument, without anyone thinking it's simply a static open area with rocks and plaques.

Shutting down simpler monuments and parks is just grandstanding, no matter what party is in office at the time.  Same for the White House tour.  Shutting those down is only sending the message the government is dysfunctional, again, across both parties.  Obama doesn't get points from anyone closing that symbol of public openness.
 
2013-10-01 12:54:12 PM

Ker_Thwap: How the holy hell can people be treating this article as a left vs. right contest?  Veterans come in all flavors.


Mostly Soylent Green flavor
 
2013-10-01 12:54:17 PM
ww2 vets have some experience with breaching barriers...
 
2013-10-01 12:54:27 PM
They stormed those memorials just like the beaches of Germany.
 
2013-10-01 12:54:41 PM

Uisce Beatha: Lord_Baull: Is it me, or does putting barricades in front of a public area just because there's no one to pick up trash around the area sound really stupid?

THIS.

That just seems petty.  "We're shutdown, so fark off and don't walk here!"


Bingo.  In all seriousness it is all hyperbole.  Most of us will never even notice the shutdown.  Says volumes about the roll of the federal government.
 
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