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(LA Times)   The law of unanticipated consequences strikes again: the government shutdown may force the cancellation of Saturday's Army vs. Air Force game, as upper class cadets are considered "government employees" and thus be restricted from travel   (latimes.com) divider line 52
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2013-10-01 12:50:53 PM
So, these "student athletes" admit to being paid compensation?  I think its time the schools faced sanctions.
 
2013-10-01 12:57:22 PM
I hope this doesn't impact Godzilla vs Air Force:

www.liveforfilms.com
 
2013-10-01 12:57:37 PM
Im sorry, but if anything should be deemed "non essential", its college sports.
 
2013-10-01 01:01:11 PM
"Unanticipated consequences" implies that something is happening despite careful planning and preparation.

"Unanticipated consequences" doesn't really apply to a group of 100 Congressman Larry the Cable Guys chanting "shut-r-down" in a room full of burning taxpayer money while discharging shotguns into the air.
 
2013-10-01 01:15:14 PM

vernonFL: Im sorry, but if anything should be deemed "non essential", its college sports.


Actually, during WWII MLB offered to suspend operations for the duration, but FDR himself insisted they
continue playing to boost morale.
 
2013-10-01 01:22:57 PM
Army, Navy, it's all the same thing, amIright?
 
2013-10-01 01:26:52 PM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-10-01 01:26:56 PM

DjangoStonereaver: during WWII MLB offered to suspend operations for the duration, but FDR himself insisted they
continue playing to boost morale.



Plus he had a sweet three team teaser for Brooklyn, Philly, and Boston.  dude was raking it in.  free money.
 
2013-10-01 01:28:54 PM

ColTomParker: Army, Navy, it's all the same thing, amIright?


Well, I know they differ in the degree to which sodomy amongst the ranks is encouraged, but I can't think of anything else. At least not as a practical matter.
 
2013-10-01 01:30:41 PM
Because these kids are considered govt employees they are restricted from jumping into cars and driving themselves to the statium?
 
2013-10-01 01:30:48 PM

rickythepenguin: DjangoStonereaver: during WWII MLB offered to suspend operations for the duration, but FDR himself insisted they
continue playing to boost morale.


Plus he had a sweet three team teaser for Brooklyn, Philly, and Boston.  dude was raking it in.  free money.


My father told me that when he was a kid, they used to have a baseball bet that was popular at the time.  A local bookie (some kid probably) would take the bet and you have to pick three baseball players that needed to get six hits between them on a particular day,  I think it paid two or three to one. IT's pretty hard to do.
 
2013-10-01 01:33:26 PM
Steve King (R-Iowa) will lead the cadets past the barricades and onto the flight from Colorado to Maryland.
 
2013-10-01 01:34:57 PM

Saiga410: Because these kids are considered govt employees they are restricted from jumping into cars and driving themselves to the statium?


Maryland to Colorado is a pretty long drive.
 
2013-10-01 01:36:50 PM
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thanks, JoBoehner!
 
2013-10-01 01:39:15 PM
This is probably good news for the Cadets.
 
2013-10-01 01:41:14 PM
Wow the NY Daily News really got ridiculous
 
2013-10-01 01:45:43 PM
They be?
 
2013-10-01 01:45:54 PM

FlashHarry: thanks, JoBoehner!


Tell me that's real
 
2013-10-01 01:46:36 PM
Lame over-regulated rule is lame.

The football travel is paid out of the sports dept budget, which I would bet $100 runs a profit like any other upper-level football program.  To classify it as a government expense is stupid government non-think.

If anything we should all be getting angry at the idiocy within government regulations, and not the shut down itself.
 
2013-10-01 01:47:08 PM

GrahamManning: Wow the NY Daily News really got ridiculous



Seems like everybody is in full drama queen mode today.
 
2013-10-01 01:49:07 PM
Navy's QB could probably use another week to recover from the hit that knocked him out of the game vs WKU.  With Keenan Reynolds Navy is easily a top 25 team this year.  Without him they fell apart to a Sun Belt squad.
 
2013-10-01 01:53:43 PM

fatalvenom: FlashHarry: thanks, JoBoehner!

Tell me that's real


It appears to be real.
Link
 
2013-10-01 02:02:12 PM

ColTomParker: Army, Navy, it's all the same thing, amIright?


Inaccuracies in MY fark headlines!  How dare they.
 
2013-10-01 02:07:04 PM
They will play the game. Of this I have no doubt.
 
2013-10-01 02:09:35 PM

Cagey B: "Unanticipated consequences" doesn't really apply to a group of 100 Congressman Larry the Cable Guys chanting "shut-r-down" in a room full of burning taxpayer money while discharging shotguns into the air.


fark Yeah

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2013-10-01 02:13:19 PM
I'm pretty sure the Air Force AD just used that as an excuse so his school won't get trounced.

And I don't think it's a good idea to upset Navy's head coach. That Samoan nearly ripped the head off one of the sideline reporter during halftime of one of their tighter games last year.
 
2013-10-01 02:13:30 PM

AliceBToklasLives: They will play the game. Of this I have no doubt.



i think so too, but it is Tuesday.  you'd think that if it was definite, they'd already be saying so.  and given that the whole point of the shutdown is to rub someone's nose in the proverbial "it", whatever side you're on, you're gonna look silly if you permit the use of federal funds for football games.  keep in mind, this isn't just Navy / Air Force;  BC is hosting Army and that game is also under the same limbo status right now.
 
2013-10-01 02:14:49 PM
Ring knockers everywhere are horrified

/ everyone else could care less
 
2013-10-01 02:17:28 PM

vernonFL: Im sorry, but if anything should be deemed "non essential", its college sports.


General MacArthur disagrees!

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2013-10-01 02:18:59 PM

Vectron: GrahamManning: Wow the NY Daily News really got ridiculous


Seems like everybody is in full drama queen mode today.


Especially when you consider that it is the Reed and Obama throwing a hissy fit and shut down the govt because the ACA would get its funding cut.
 
2013-10-01 02:22:13 PM
However will I survive without seeing 80 option plays in a single game?
 
2013-10-01 02:24:19 PM

funk_soul_bubby: This is probably good news for the Cadets.


Even better news for the Cadets is that THEY AREN'T PLAYING AIR FORCE THIS WEEK! It's the Navy-Air Force game.
 
2013-10-01 02:30:05 PM

Saiga410: Vectron: GrahamManning: Wow the NY Daily News really got ridiculous


Seems like everybody is in full drama queen mode today.

Especially when you consider that it is the Reed and Obama throwing a hissy fit and shut down the govt because the ACA would get its funding cut.


Know how I know you have no idea what the hell you are talking about?
 
2013-10-01 02:30:41 PM

ColTomParker: funk_soul_bubby: This is probably good news for the Cadets.

Even better news for the Cadets is that THEY AREN'T PLAYING AIR FORCE THIS WEEK! It's the Navy-Air Force game.


I see. Subby should have taken Woodrow Wilson Page's advice... "LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE!"
 
2013-10-01 02:30:57 PM

HaywoodJablonski: However will I survive without seeing 80 option plays in a single game?


Georgia Tech plays at 3:30 Eastern.
 
2013-10-01 02:32:56 PM

ColTomParker: Even better news for the Cadets is that THEY AREN'T PLAYING AIR FORCE THIS WEEK!


yeah, they're playing the BC Eagles.
 
2013-10-01 02:39:58 PM
Duke/Navy next week could also be in jeopardy.  Hello?  Anybody?

/is this thing on?
 
2013-10-01 02:45:11 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: Ring knockers everywhere are horrified

/ everyone else could care less


ha! my grandpa used to call west pointers 'ring knockers.' i haven't heard that term in a long time.

/he enlisted in '42 and rose up to leut. colonel by vietnam.
//CSB
 
2013-10-01 03:10:22 PM

Saiga410: Especially when you consider that it is the Reed and Obama throwing a hissy fit and shut down the govt because the ACA would get its funding cut.


It's like that time the cops wanted to arrest me just because some guy's face kept getting in the way of fist. It wasn't my fault he kept putting his face where my fist was going.
 
2013-10-01 03:11:57 PM
Government employees restricted from travel? Somebody needs to tell Kerry before he leaves for Asia.
 
2013-10-01 03:16:28 PM

happydude45: Government employees restricted from travel? Somebody needs to tell Kerry before he leaves for Asia.


They've passes special appropriations bills to fund things like the GIANT farkING STANDING ARMY and the state department.
 
2013-10-01 03:49:07 PM

Wellon Dowd: Steve King (R-Iowa) will lead the cadets past the barricades and onto the flight from Colorado to Maryland.


Will Petraeus and the JCS fire into the crowd?
 
2013-10-01 04:13:36 PM

Saiga410: Because these kids are considered govt employees they are restricted from jumping into cars and driving themselves to the statium?


It doesn't work that way. I'm on furlough right now, and in theory if I so much as check my webmail I could be fired. No, it wouldn't really happen, but the point is that I couldn't do any work even if I wanted to. As retarded as it may seem, if those players are really gov't employees (and let's remember that football players at the academies are a little different than those at other schools) then they can't volunteer to do their jobs no matter how much they want to.
 
2013-10-01 04:19:47 PM

HaywoodJablonski: However will I survive without seeing 80 option plays in a single game?


I actually like watching option teams, but Navy this year is adding a big new kink - the forward pass.  Their first string QB is actually a pretty strong passer, and in the games he's played he's probably already thrown the ball more than Navy usually does during a full season.
 
2013-10-01 04:31:06 PM

dukeblue219: Saiga410: Because these kids are considered govt employees they are restricted from jumping into cars and driving themselves to the statium?

It doesn't work that way. I'm on furlough right now, and in theory if I so much as check my webmail I could be fired. No, it wouldn't really happen, but the point is that I couldn't do any work even if I wanted to. As retarded as it may seem, if those players are really gov't employees (and let's remember that football players at the academies are a little different than those at other schools) then they can't volunteer to do their jobs no matter how much they want to.


Shoot, I was thinking travel restrictions... heck I was temporarily laid off earlier this year and had the same rule.  Though the rules were devised to keep people from coming back and requesting to be paid for the work performed during layoff, extending that to unpaid volunteers makes sense albeit a little weird.
 
2013-10-01 06:02:25 PM
Students at all military academies are active-duty military.

ColTomParker: funk_soul_bubby: This is probably good news for the Cadets.

Even better news for the Cadets is that THEY AREN'T PLAYING AIR FORCE THIS WEEK! It's the Navy-Air Force game.


Navy Midshipmen vs Air Force Cadets.

/caps-lock
 
2013-10-01 06:10:02 PM

foo monkey: Students at all military academies are active-duty military.

ColTomParker: funk_soul_bubby: This is probably good news for the Cadets.

Even better news for the Cadets is that THEY AREN'T PLAYING AIR FORCE THIS WEEK! It's the Navy-Air Force game.

Navy Midshipmen vs Air Force Cadets.

/caps-lock


Air Force is the Falcons.
 
2013-10-01 06:52:26 PM
I'd presume between the gate admissions, merchandise sales, and TV rights, this game would actually turn a profit, and shutting it down would lose them even more money.
 
2013-10-01 07:18:36 PM

JuicePats: foo monkey: Students at all military academies are active-duty military.

ColTomParker: funk_soul_bubby: This is probably good news for the Cadets.

Even better news for the Cadets is that THEY AREN'T PLAYING AIR FORCE THIS WEEK! It's the Navy-Air Force game.

Navy Midshipmen vs Air Force Cadets.

/caps-lock

Air Force is the Falcons.


The mascot is the falcon.  Students are called Cadets.
 
2013-10-01 09:10:29 PM

Sgt Otter: I'd presume between the gate admissions, merchandise sales, and TV rights, this game would actually turn a profit, and shutting it down would lose them even more money.


Likely true but that's going to be true for many things that are shutdown. The cost of stopping and restarting many activities will be in excess of what it would have cost simply to keep them running. This isn't unique to government though. I worked at the hq of one of the largest retailers when some Wall Street analyst mentioned he thought their central office overhead was a couple tenths of a percent higher than he liked. The very next day the company shut down all non-capital projects that were staffed by contractors. It didn't matter how much it was going to cost to start those projects back up a few months later, the company wanted to show Wall Street that they could slash overhead quickly. Long term (medium term really) it was a pointless thing to do but external forces said the money could not be spent at that moment. Congress has told the rest of the government no new non-essential spending for now even if it's going to end up costing more than it would have simply to spend the money.
 
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