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(NYPost)   There's a prison in Venezuela that's sooooo brutal the band doesn't even take a break while you're poolside eating tasty barbecue chicken from the restaurant   (nypost.com) divider line 32
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2013-10-01 01:57:59 PM
Yeah, but the chicken is KFC.

/That's bad
 
2013-10-01 02:01:29 PM
You gonna eat yo cornbread?
 
2013-10-01 02:03:12 PM
Wow, that video at the bottom of the story is the most useless thing I've ever seen... Even more useless than a Republican lawmaker.
 
2013-10-01 02:06:16 PM
I'm assuming it's a prison for the rich and powerful. Sounds much like it's counterparts in the USA.

/hint: These are the people society really should be terminating.
 
2013-10-01 02:10:05 PM
McAfee's version of Zihuantenejo?
 
2013-10-01 02:10:33 PM
They allow you to have chicken or waffles, but not both!
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2013-10-01 02:17:03 PM

hitlersbrain: I'm assuming it's a prison for the rich and powerful. Sounds much like it's counterparts in the USA.

/hint: These are the people society really should be terminating.


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2013-10-01 02:24:16 PM
US prisons are often rapey overcrowded shiatholes with drugs and they cost a ton a year per inmate. Like more than most people make in a year of hard work. So why not send people to a place like this if it cuts down on cost and violence.
 
2013-10-01 02:27:08 PM
I'm inclined to call a few prisons like this a good idea. Prisons are brutal places (especially the medium security ones) for any number of reasons.

Offer up a few nice prisons with good Club Fed amenities as an incentive for prisoners that otherwise don't have any reason to bring themselves around. Many prisons have inmates that literally see no reason to avoid joining gangs, selling drugs, fighting, raping and so on.

Give them something sweet that they can only dream about and it counts towards their sentence? I would think it would tamper down a lot of the bad things and make prisons better for the others.

/used to work with prisons for a living, you meet the most interesting people.
//can honestly say during job interviews that I have previously had to work alongside ax murders
///as an outsider I wasn't a staff member so I was actually treated fairly well by the inmate
 
2013-10-01 02:28:40 PM
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2013-10-01 02:37:55 PM
I wonder. If you had a place like this, make it for lifers with no parole possibility. Then say "if you behave you will get sent to the party prison."

Most of the violent crap that goes on in prisons is not coming from the guy doing 5 years, but the guy who is in there with no possibility to get out. No matter what violence they cause, they don't give a damn because what's another few years?
 
2013-10-01 02:43:50 PM

onyxruby: I'm inclined to call a few prisons like this a good idea. Prisons are brutal places (especially the medium security ones) for any number of reasons.


On average, I'd go more with the Norway model - have prisons be a bit like an enforced college life.  During the day prisoners are kept busy with 'reform' activities - education, counseling, job education(and practice/actual work), etc...  In the evening they get some entertainment as long as they've been behaving, then assuming they've been good they get to go back to a room that's about equivalent to a college dorm room.

The idea is to make it 'bad' enough that people want to leave (like most people eventually leave college once they have a degree), but the separation from family and society should be sufficient for that.  However, it's 'good' enough that they aren't moved to violence/worse behavior like so many US prisons.

It's certainly not an exact simile, but I hope it gets the idea across.
 
2013-10-01 02:45:17 PM
Pablo Escobar would approve
 
2013-10-01 02:49:17 PM

Firethorn: On average, I'd go more with the Norway model - have prisons be a bit like an enforced college life.


I've read about the Norway model before actually, and I think there's a lot to be said for it. Today's prisons are so far gone that I don't know how you can possibly reform them without literally tearing everything down and starting over.
 
2013-10-01 02:52:16 PM
In and out Jimmy would like it enough.
 
2013-10-01 02:54:19 PM
The prison has a nightclub with strippers?  Where do I sign up?
 
2013-10-01 02:54:51 PM
It's amazing how some people live a life of luxury while incarcirated while others have to settle for group-sex in the shower...

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2013-10-01 03:01:23 PM

OgreMagi: The prison has a nightclub with strippers?  Where do I sign up?


If you're super rich you don't have to. If you're not, then you can't.

Rich people have all the best stuff... because you and I are too timid to take it away from them.
 
2013-10-01 03:03:33 PM
DeadGeek:


Just stop.  For farks sake.
 
2013-10-01 03:06:31 PM

hitlersbrain: OgreMagi: The prison has a nightclub with strippers?  Where do I sign up?

If you're super rich you don't have to. If you're not, then you can't.

Rich people have all the best stuff... because you and I are too timid to take it away from them.


I'm not too timid.

But every time I try, I'm "drunk" and it's a "felony".

/the trick is to get the bail set at least $1000 lower than whatever you got away with
 
2013-10-01 03:06:40 PM
Yeah, but the bastard inmates STILL spend every night digging tunnels from their toilets using stolen spoons from the canteen...
 
2013-10-01 03:23:02 PM

hitlersbrain: OgreMagi: The prison has a nightclub with strippers?  Where do I sign up?

If you're super rich you don't have to. If you're not, then you can't.

Rich people have all the best stuff... because you and I are too timid to take it away from them.


Wrong.  I'm not too timid.  I have ethics.  I don't steal stuff just because I'm jealous that they have more than I do.
 
2013-10-01 03:43:53 PM
Reading the article, I recalled a certain lyric:

Mirrors on the ceiling,
the pink champagne on ice.
And she said "We are all just prisoners here,
of our own device".

/new spin on an old song.
 
2013-10-01 04:53:25 PM

onyxruby: Firethorn: On average, I'd go more with the Norway model - have prisons be a bit like an enforced college life.

I've read about the Norway model before actually, and I think there's a lot to be said for it. Today's prisons are so far gone that I don't know how you can possibly reform them without literally tearing everything down and starting over.


Depends on the prison, but yes.  Personally, I'd build a 'pilot' prison and transfer the appropriate number of people there.  No more than 1k, certainly.  Once that's proven itself a bit, and remember - we're having to retrain the prison officials/guards to the point that it might be easier to train new ones WITHOUT putting through standard US training, we build a couple real prisons on that model - with 3k prisoners transferred out of the traditional system, we close an appropriate prison and remodel it.  Yes, 'remodeling' might amount to 'knock it down and start fresh'.

However, with something like 1/3rd the sentence and 1/3rd the recidivism rate you're looking at something around 1/6th the prison population in the long run.  I might be a libertarian, but I have to ask how we can afford our current system.
 
2013-10-01 05:54:41 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: DeadGeek:


Just stop.  For fark ' s sake.


Naughty naughty!
 
2013-10-01 06:16:55 PM

washington-babylon: Reading the article, I recalled a certain lyric:

Mirrors on the ceiling,
the pink champagne on ice.
And she said "We are all just prisoners here,
of our own device".

/new spin on an old song.


It was only recently I figured out at that one line was "wake you up in the middle of the night." I'd always heard it as " we threw up..."
 
2013-10-01 08:30:32 PM

ThighsofGlory: washington-babylon: Reading the article, I recalled a certain lyric:

Mirrors on the ceiling,
the pink champagne on ice.
And she said "We are all just prisoners here,
of our own device".

/new spin on an old song.

It was only recently I figured out at that one line was "wake you up in the middle of the night." I'd always heard it as " we threw up..."


Been to one to many concerts in your day, I take it? On a related note, the Eagles are going to be playing my town soon.

I can't decide if I want to see them, or wait and try for BOC in November.
 
2013-10-01 08:57:24 PM
WTF?!  What are they trying to do?  Rehabilitate their prisoners?  Where's the profit in that?
 
2013-10-01 10:19:50 PM

hitlersbrain: OgreMagi: The prison has a nightclub with strippers?  Where do I sign up?

If you're super rich you don't have to. If you're not, then you can't.

Rich people have all the best stuff... because you and I are too timid to take it away from them.


Not timid. If I run afoul of the law it affects other people I care about.
 
2013-10-01 10:37:37 PM

Xenomech: WTF?!  What are they trying to do?  Rehabilitate their prisoners?  Where's the profit in that?


YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH AND DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS.
 
2013-10-02 12:23:31 AM
In Bolivia there is a similar setup. Not as fancy as swimming pools and BBQ chicken restaurants, but when someone poor goes to prison, they can bring their family with them to live. The family can go outside to work & school while the inmate stays. And if one has enough money, one can arrange to stay in quarters that rival a decent hotel (by Bolivian standards).
 
2013-10-02 01:06:28 AM
Bad News? You're in Venezuela
 
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