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(CBS News)   What's the meltdown in Washington going to cost you the taxpayer after this fiasco is all said and done? Well over $2 billion dollars. Yes, your tax dollars at work   (cbsnews.com) divider line 175
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2013-10-01 11:16:45 AM  
The Office of Management and Budget estimated that two government shutdowns in 1995 and 1996, totaling 27 days, cost the federal government $1.4 billion. That's over $2 billion in today's dollars on costs like back pay to furloughed federal workers and uncollected fines and taxes.

How farking scientific. I didn't realize they went through the trouble to get that $2 billion number.
 
2013-10-01 11:19:14 AM  
I don't know, sounds like a relative bargain. What's the NCAA tournament going to cost us this year, like $400 billion?
 
2013-10-01 11:19:59 AM  
GREAT! We're paying BOB $2 BILLION to do nothing! RIP America 1776-2013

image.blingee.com
 
2013-10-01 11:20:55 AM  
Awesome. I love paying for expensive unnecessary temper tantrums.
 
2013-10-01 11:22:14 AM  
Fiscal conservatism at its best.
 
2013-10-01 11:22:15 AM  
Our tax dollars not at work, subby.
 
2013-10-01 11:22:24 AM  

jayhawk88: I don't know, sounds like a relative bargain. What's the NCAA tournament going to cost us this year, like $400 billion?


Nah. That's how much taxpayers have to pay every time Obama goes on vacation. And that's in 1845 dollars.
 
2013-10-01 11:23:05 AM  

FarkedOver: GREAT! We're paying BOB $2 BILLION to do nothing! RIP America 1776-2013

[image.blingee.com image 384x288]


I don't understand why we give people an option of loving America.  I mean, freedom of choice and all, I guess, but really, everyone should just love America.
 
2013-10-01 11:23:54 AM  
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GOP TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!
 
2013-10-01 11:24:22 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: jayhawk88: I don't know, sounds like a relative bargain. What's the NCAA tournament going to cost us this year, like $400 billion?

Nah. That's how much taxpayers have to pay every time Obama goes on vacation. And that's in 1845 dollars.


Obama wouldn't have been allowed to go on vacation in 1845 ;)
 
2013-10-01 11:24:28 AM  
Will they take a check? Maybe cash it on Monday?
 
2013-10-01 11:25:02 AM  
$2 billion? That's nothing.  I'm sure we can get that back in no time by giving more tax cuts to the super rich.
 
2013-10-01 11:25:28 AM  
T/Y SUBBIE

been saying this for days to the "yeah! shutdown! save us some money" delusionist

although, i've read it might edge closer to 9 Billion, depending

somewhere between 2 and 9 billion - we could buy big bird a diamond-studded dinner jacket (size large) AND fund PP for at least - 6 weeks.
 
2013-10-01 11:25:46 AM  
Where did this BOB thing come from? I missed the memo.
 
2013-10-01 11:26:02 AM  
sprawl15:How farking scientific. I didn't realize they went through the trouble to get that $2 billion number.

And to put this comment in context, when the GOP played chicken with the debt ceiling in '011 and our credit was downgraded due to incompetence in governance it was estimated at costing us $100 billion a year. And that was just because the threat of a default was on the table. With the next debt ceiling argument around the corner and the retards driving the short bus there's going to be a lot more nervousness.

A couple more basis points on interest payments is not a farking joke and can't just be handwaved away by flashing a Laffer curve and whiskey dick.
 
2013-10-01 11:26:50 AM  
Fiscal responsibility isn't free.
 
2013-10-01 11:26:54 AM  

js34603: Will they take a check? Maybe cash it on Monday?


That's called kiting, sir. And that's illegal.
 
2013-10-01 11:27:06 AM  
As long as the congressmen and congresswomen take no pay during this time, I'm okay with it... but who am I kidding.... they're still fully paid for their temper tantrums.
 
2013-10-01 11:27:38 AM  

Glenford: Where did this BOB thing come from? I missed the memo.


I was just getting it out of the way.  It's more of a formality at this point.
 
2013-10-01 11:27:39 AM  

Glenford: Where did this BOB thing come from? I missed the memo.

retard

FTFY
 
2013-10-01 11:27:47 AM  

Pincy: $2 billion? That's nothing.  I'm sure we can get that back in no time by giving more tax cuts to the super rich.


Those fund themselves, honestly.
 
2013-10-01 11:27:51 AM  

Bontesla: Awesome. I love paying for expensive unnecessary temper tantrums.


Anything is acceptable to extremists, as long as their ideological goals are met. The current talking point is that it's a "stalemate", as if, somehow, the Republican extremists in the House didn't cause the entire situation by holding the budget hostage and issuing ridiculous demands, and that "both sides are bad and should negotiate", as if there's a "negotiation" to be had here.

There's a Continuing Resolution with no riders, already approved by the Senate, just waiting to be passed. Pass it. You can bicker afterwards - yes, House morons, I know that you lose your hostage if you pass the CR, but, let's face it, it wasn't going to work anyway. So, stop the posturing and bloviating, pass the "clean CR", and get back to work. You'll have plenty of negotiation time once the CR's in place - sure, you won't be able to use the budget to hold the country hostage, but you will be acting like adults and negotiating as equals, not as terrorists. That's a good thing.
 
2013-10-01 11:28:10 AM  
Laser. Like. Focus.
 
2013-10-01 11:28:22 AM  
Yes, but we have to spend a lot of money to complain about spending a lot of money.
 
2013-10-01 11:28:44 AM  
assuming some farkers have contacted their reps over this

anyone tried contacting Tea/GOP members in general and asking about this fiscal waste?
 
2013-10-01 11:29:32 AM  

parasol: assuming some farkers have contacted their reps over this

anyone tried contacting Tea/GOP members in general and asking about this fiscal waste?


Please, they know their actions save money because they say so.  You don't get republicans.
 
2013-10-01 11:29:42 AM  

bulldg4life: js34603: Will they take a check? Maybe cash it on Monday?

That's called kiting, sir. And that's illegal.


BS! My ranger used to kite all the time in SK!
 
2013-10-01 11:30:08 AM  

stratagos: Obama wouldn't have been allowed to go on vacation in 1845 ;)


Yes he would have gotten a fully-paid vacation, right in the middle of being given a job by a right-thinking, God-fearing job creator, and given the proper motivation and education to do that job. That's why slavery was a good thing.

* What Palin-Americans think

That said, incurring $3+ billion in costs to "save" $5 billion in spending that was going to be spent anyways shutdown or no?  SMALL GOVERNMENT FISCAL CONSERVATISM AT WORK.
 
2013-10-01 11:30:13 AM  

FarkedOver: GREAT! We're paying BOB $2 BILLION to do nothing! RIP America 1776-2013

[image.blingee.com image 384x288]


i.huffpost.com

You call this doing nothing, you stupid ass? He's painting faster than you can wack it off to Pony Porn and he still managed to donate silly amounts of cash to squirrel rescue organizations. Bob Ross is a legend and would save us all from the radical nuts of the Tea 'tard faction. He'd lull them to sleep in a hypnotic yet relaxing way and change their minds about being ignorant paranoids.

Bob Ross, where are you when American needs you?
 
2013-10-01 11:30:13 AM  
If left wing anarchists tried to shut down the government and bring the US economy to its knees they'd be sent Gitmo posthaste.  Why do the Teahadi get a pass?
 
2013-10-01 11:30:52 AM  

Glenford: Where did this BOB thing come from? I missed the memo.


Aristocles (who is obviously a notorious TFer incognito) started it because he thinks he is terribly funny.

He is not.
 
2013-10-01 11:30:58 AM  

parasol: assuming some farkers have contacted their reps over this

anyone tried contacting Tea/GOP members in general and asking about this fiscal waste?


gotta break some eggs to make an omelet

gotta spill some blood to water the tree of liberty

pain is just weakness leaving the body

i am the master of my fate i am the captain of my soul

etc etc
 
2013-10-01 11:31:07 AM  

Glenford: Where did this BOB thing come from? I missed the memo.


No one knows. I think the running joke now is to not explain it because it's easier to get your point across by not explaining something

/And trolling
//In this case, trolling was the main focus
 
2013-10-01 11:31:25 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Fiscal responsibility isn't free.


Is that the talking point now, that the House morons did this out of a sense of "fiscal responsibility?" Please. Those political terrorists did the most fiscally irresponsible thing they could've done in their power - held the country's budget hostage while they tried to squeeze out concessions through extortion that they couldn't get through legislation or adjudication. They've damaged this country's financial standing with the world, yet again, and are going to cost us billions over the next few years at least as investors get even more skittish about the extremists in our own government.

How is tanking your own credit rating and threatening not to pay back your debts "fiscally responsible?"
 
2013-10-01 11:31:27 AM  
Seems like a small price to pay to make Michelle Bachmann so very happy.
 
2013-10-01 11:31:41 AM  

Lord_Baull: Laser. Like. Focus.


Ladies and gentlemen, the 2013 GOP,  the Party of Fiscal Responsibility!

/Seriously, the number the RW morons in these threads I've read essentially congratulating themselves for "saving money" by backing this shut down is melting my brain.
 
2013-10-01 11:32:06 AM  

parasol: assuming some farkers have contacted their reps over this

anyone tried contacting Tea/GOP members in general and asking about this fiscal waste?


http://www.speaker.gov/contact
 
2013-10-01 11:32:15 AM  

Grapple: As long as the congressmen and congresswomen take no pay during this time, I'm okay with it... but who am I kidding.... they're still fully paid for their temper tantrums.


Government shutdowns are usually immediately followed by legislation to suspend congressional pay until the government reopens.
 
2013-10-01 11:33:53 AM  
2 billion is nothing compared to what revenues are going to be lost if this thing drags on for any extended period of time.

At least they tacitly acknowledge the ripple effects throughout the US and world economies will be large and hard to measure.
 
2013-10-01 11:34:05 AM  
Though Holtz-Eakin maintains that a short shutdown of a few days will have a small effect, a longer one will have bigger effects. "You start to really impact the ability of government employees to spend," he said. That's 800,000 people who won't be getting regular paychecks.

Unpossible.  I was told government employees spend their money in government stores on government services in a government parallel dimension and had no real impact on the Real American economy.
 
2013-10-01 11:34:41 AM  

FormlessOne: Wendy's Chili: Fiscal responsibility isn't free.

Is that the talking point now, that the House morons did this out of a sense of "fiscal responsibility?" Please. Those political terrorists did the most fiscally irresponsible thing they could've done in their power - held the country's budget hostage while they tried to squeeze out concessions through extortion that they couldn't get through legislation or adjudication. They've damaged this country's financial standing with the world, yet again, and are going to cost us billions over the next few years at least as investors get even more skittish about the extremists in our own government.

How is tanking your own credit rating and threatening not to pay back your debts "fiscally responsible?"


media.smithsonianmag.com
 
2013-10-01 11:34:56 AM  

FormlessOne: Bontesla: Awesome. I love paying for expensive unnecessary temper tantrums.

Anything is acceptable to extremists, as long as their ideological goals are met. The current talking point is that it's a "stalemate", as if, somehow, the Republican extremists in the House didn't cause the entire situation by holding the budget hostage and issuing ridiculous demands, and that "both sides are bad and should negotiate", as if there's a "negotiation" to be had here.

There's a Continuing Resolution with no riders, already approved by the Senate, just waiting to be passed. Pass it. You can bicker afterwards - yes, House morons, I know that you lose your hostage if you pass the CR, but, let's face it, it wasn't going to work anyway. So, stop the posturing and bloviating, pass the "clean CR", and get back to work. You'll have plenty of negotiation time once the CR's in place - sure, you won't be able to use the budget to hold the country hostage, but you will be acting like adults and negotiating as equals, not as terrorists. That's a good thing.


The problem is that once the ACA Exchanges get going it is game over for them. This is it, this is the last stand against the ACA, if this does not work they will never get rid of the ACA.
 
2013-10-01 11:35:51 AM  

FormlessOne: There's a Continuing Resolution with no riders, already approved by the Senate, just waiting to be passed. Pass it. You can bicker afterwards - yes, House morons, I know that you lose your hostage if you pass the CR, but, let's face it, it wasn't going to work anyway. So, stop the posturing and bloviating, pass the "clean CR", and get back to work. You'll have plenty of negotiation time once the CR's in place - sure, you won't be able to use the budget to hold the country hostage, but you will be acting like adults and negotiating as equals, not as terrorists. That's a good thing.


And the "clean CR" is already a heaping pile of shiat because it continues sequestration which was put in place because the GOP held the debt ceiling hostage in 2011.
 
2013-10-01 11:36:25 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: FormlessOne: Bontesla: Awesome. I love paying for expensive unnecessary temper tantrums.

Anything is acceptable to extremists, as long as their ideological goals are met. The current talking point is that it's a "stalemate", as if, somehow, the Republican extremists in the House didn't cause the entire situation by holding the budget hostage and issuing ridiculous demands, and that "both sides are bad and should negotiate", as if there's a "negotiation" to be had here.

There's a Continuing Resolution with no riders, already approved by the Senate, just waiting to be passed. Pass it. You can bicker afterwards - yes, House morons, I know that you lose your hostage if you pass the CR, but, let's face it, it wasn't going to work anyway. So, stop the posturing and bloviating, pass the "clean CR", and get back to work. You'll have plenty of negotiation time once the CR's in place - sure, you won't be able to use the budget to hold the country hostage, but you will be acting like adults and negotiating as equals, not as terrorists. That's a good thing.

The problem is that once the ACA Exchanges get going it is game over for them. This is it, this is the last stand against the ACA, if this does not work they will never get rid of the ACA.


There's a decent chance the GOP will end up in control of both elected branches of government in 2016. If they do, step 1 is nuke the filibuster, and step 2 is repeal the ACA.
 
2013-10-01 11:37:31 AM  

Newbaca: If left wing anarchists tried to shut down the government and bring the US economy to its knees they'd be sent Gitmo posthaste.  Why do the Teahadi get a pass?


Because we still believe in law and order, even when it causes us pain. If we did not believe in law and order then I'd be out shooting, raping, drug dealing, and burning what ever the fark I wanted.
 
2013-10-01 11:37:48 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: FormlessOne: Bontesla: Awesome. I love paying for expensive unnecessary temper tantrums.

Anything is acceptable to extremists, as long as their ideological goals are met. The current talking point is that it's a "stalemate", as if, somehow, the Republican extremists in the House didn't cause the entire situation by holding the budget hostage and issuing ridiculous demands, and that "both sides are bad and should negotiate", as if there's a "negotiation" to be had here.

There's a Continuing Resolution with no riders, already approved by the Senate, just waiting to be passed. Pass it. You can bicker afterwards - yes, House morons, I know that you lose your hostage if you pass the CR, but, let's face it, it wasn't going to work anyway. So, stop the posturing and bloviating, pass the "clean CR", and get back to work. You'll have plenty of negotiation time once the CR's in place - sure, you won't be able to use the budget to hold the country hostage, but you will be acting like adults and negotiating as equals, not as terrorists. That's a good thing.

The problem is that once the ACA Exchanges get going it is game over for them. This is it, this is the last stand against the ACA, if this does not work they will never get rid of the ACA.


Good news! Since the ACA is already funded this little shutdown does precisely cock-all to stop the ACA. The exchanges are go, and soon the Republicans won't be able to scaremonger about the ACA any more.
 
2013-10-01 11:38:10 AM  
I'm absolutely certain it's going to cost more than that. Possibly even in the hundreds of billions.
 
2013-10-01 11:39:17 AM  

bdub77: I'm absolutely certain it's going to cost more than that. Possibly even in the hundreds of billions.


I'm honestly curious as to how long it takes to reopen the government. I see some Members trying to hold this out for a while
 
2013-10-01 11:39:22 AM  

qorkfiend: Slaves2Darkness: FormlessOne: Bontesla: Awesome. I love paying for expensive unnecessary temper tantrums.

Anything is acceptable to extremists, as long as their ideological goals are met. The current talking point is that it's a "stalemate", as if, somehow, the Republican extremists in the House didn't cause the entire situation by holding the budget hostage and issuing ridiculous demands, and that "both sides are bad and should negotiate", as if there's a "negotiation" to be had here.

There's a Continuing Resolution with no riders, already approved by the Senate, just waiting to be passed. Pass it. You can bicker afterwards - yes, House morons, I know that you lose your hostage if you pass the CR, but, let's face it, it wasn't going to work anyway. So, stop the posturing and bloviating, pass the "clean CR", and get back to work. You'll have plenty of negotiation time once the CR's in place - sure, you won't be able to use the budget to hold the country hostage, but you will be acting like adults and negotiating as equals, not as terrorists. That's a good thing.

The problem is that once the ACA Exchanges get going it is game over for them. This is it, this is the last stand against the ACA, if this does not work they will never get rid of the ACA.

There's a decent chance the GOP will end up in control of both elected branches of government in 2016. If they do, step 1 is nuke the filibuster, and step 2 is repeal the ACA.


By then the ACA will be like Medicare, so beloved that to even talk about doing anything to it will cause a revolt in the base. One of the biggest mistakes the Republicans made in 2012 was to talk about Medicare changes they wanted. It caused a lot of people to either stay home or vote Obama, people that would have voted Romney.
 
2013-10-01 11:39:28 AM  
parasol: anyone tried contacting Tea/GOP members in general and asking about this fiscal waste?

ikanreed: Please, they know their actions save money because they say so.  You don't get republicans.

some older GOP members? they don't want this shiat either - if helping them point out to the members of the "who needs math" caucus this will COST money maybe it will help create a face-saving out - who knows. the current teagarble is "no new spending" - they ought to know this has a pricetag, too

i get republicans - grew up with a few - even voted for one or two locally - what I see now is not that.
 
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