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2013-10-01 07:59:43 AM
That's because they are smarter, more money is the proof.
 
2013-10-01 08:17:34 AM
I read where in some of L.A.'s most expensive private elementary schools there are vaccination levels as low as 20%.
 
2013-10-01 08:33:18 AM
Why are kids allowed in those schools without vaccinations?  Ban their asses without vaccination, go home derp your kids if you feel that strongly about not vaccinating your kids.
 
2013-10-01 08:39:05 AM

Sybarite: I read where in some of L.A.'s most expensive private elementary schools there are vaccination levels as low as 20%.


exactly. Rich parents have time to helicopter parent. Parents who both work long hours just to feed the family arn't gonna take the time to over think things. The doctor says Timmy needs this shot and the school says Timmy needs the shot bonus the shot is free at school. Guess what? Timmy is going to get the shot.

hinten: That's because they are smarter, more money is the proof.


I call it the Expert mindset. Take my brother for one. World leading expert on pharmaceuticals. Because of this he is really really really well paid and has a lot of people that work for him. This also leads him to believe he knows everything about everything. Everything from woodworking to computer engineering.
 
2013-10-01 08:44:03 AM

basemetal: Why are kids allowed in those schools without vaccinations?  Ban their asses without vaccination, go home derp your kids if you feel that strongly about not vaccinating your kids.


Send them to a country that doesn't have vaccines.

Wait.
I know a woman named Vaccine.
 
2013-10-01 08:46:11 AM
Generations from now when their descendents can only eat perfectly prepared macrobiotic kelp and my descendents can survive by gnawing on discarded styrofoam from the nuclear plant meltdown picnic who'll be laughing, eh???

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got Bentley tires to detail while little Sh*ey~ne'eh coughs on me
 
2013-10-01 09:09:12 AM

basemetal: Why are kids allowed in those schools without vaccinations?  Ban their asses without vaccination, go home derp your kids if you feel that strongly about not vaccinating your kids.


Brother in law is friends with some of these derps and every time the topic comes up I have to shut that shiat down with the science behind it, and yet they just continue to ignore. I finally asked them how they felt about their child possibly being patient zero in the next world wide pandemic that could kill most of the population.
 
2013-10-01 09:10:46 AM
Rich people think communicable illnesses like this only happen to poor people.  A lot of these illnesses if you look back historically, affected the wealthy but devastated the poor.  Diphtheria, pneumonia, whooping cough, tuberculosis, and influenza.....if one person in a tenement block has it, by the end of the week, hundreds of people have it.  Before vaccines and better understanding of germ theory, the idea of washing one's hands or covering one's mouth when they coughed wasn't standard practice, so diseases like that spread like wildfire.  Amongst the richer people in town, they could afford to sequester the sick person somewhere, maybe a cottage upstate or something, to limit the exposure they had to other people.  They also could afford better treatments in the case of TB, like sending them to sanitariums out west.

So yeah, it doesn't surprise me one bit that rich parents think little Buffy and Dexter are naturally immune to these illnesses and then opt to not vaccinate them.
 
2013-10-01 09:19:25 AM
Speaking of covering your coughs, please everyone teach your spawn to cough into their elbows, not their hands. Coughing directly onto your hands spreads more germs than coughing into the air.

And get the freakin' vaccines if you are medically able.
 
2013-10-01 09:19:42 AM
I'm pretty much King Sh*t of F*ck Island over here, and I don't vaccinate my my children because, frankly, I'm smarter, richer and *better* than you...
I also don't own a TeeVee and I use a non-ironic rotary phone.
 
2013-10-01 09:19:55 AM
tDap for all!!
 
2013-10-01 09:21:25 AM
It's insane to go without vaccination living that close to Mexico.
 
2013-10-01 09:25:20 AM

namegoeshere: And get the freakin' vaccines if you are medically able.


AverageAmericanGuy: It's insane to go without vaccination living that close to Mexico.

There are no excuses.
 
2013-10-01 09:25:37 AM
If a child with an anti-vax parent gets a disease that they should have been vaccinated against, the parent should be beaten every day the child is sick.

Rinse and repeat for every additional child that their child infects (vaccinated or not).
 
2013-10-01 09:27:04 AM

qorkfiend: There are no excuses


To be fair, namegoeshere's comment covered people who cannot get vaccinations for medical reasons ... which is a valid excuse.
 
2013-10-01 09:29:15 AM

Farking Canuck: qorkfiend: There are no excuses

To be fair, namegoeshere's comment covered people who cannot get vaccinations for medical reasons ... which is a valid excuse.


Yes. Hence the need for herd immunity.
 
2013-10-01 09:29:57 AM
Sorry lil Coady and Dakota, you have to get easily preventable diseases because your parents didn't want to chance (the chance existing only in their minds) the indignity of having to raise a tard.
 
2013-10-01 09:30:27 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: basemetal: Why are kids allowed in those schools without vaccinations?  Ban their asses without vaccination, go home derp your kids if you feel that strongly about not vaccinating your kids.

Brother in law is friends with some of these derps and every time the topic comes up I have to shut that shiat down with the science behind it, and yet they just continue to ignore. I finally asked them how they felt about their child possibly being patient zero in the next world wide pandemic that could kill most of the population.


Arguing against a strongly held belief only tends to reinforce that belief. I can't explain why this is true, but it is demonstrable. It doesn't matter how reasonable your arguments or how reproducible your science: if a person believes, for whatever derptastic reason, that vaccines are harmful, that person will not get a vaccine or allow his or her child to be vaccinated.

To the vast majority of people regarding their pet theories, facts don't matter.
 
2013-10-01 09:31:32 AM

Sybarite: I read where in some of L.A.'s most expensive private elementary schools there are vaccination levels as low as 20%.


Sounds like the makings of a Contagion-like thriller.
 
2013-10-01 09:31:46 AM

Farking Canuck: If a child with an anti-vax parent gets a disease that they should have been vaccinated against, the parent should be beaten every day the child is sick.

Rinse and repeat for every additional child that their child infects (vaccinated or not).


And be charged with child abuse by medical neglect. Because that's what this is.
 
2013-10-01 09:33:11 AM
Vaccination does not equal immunization.
 
2013-10-01 09:39:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's insane to go without vaccination living that close to Mexico.


Wait... Is being Mexican contagious? Good god man why didn't you say so sooner, I had my yard landscaped yesterday!

/woke up this morning wanting to put $300 worth of fake chrome accents in my car
//now I know why
 
2013-10-01 09:40:28 AM
All this anti vaccine hysteria caused by one discredited doctor who was stripped of his license, thrown in jail the papers who touted his "results" printed several retractions and still the genie won't go back in the bottle
 
2013-10-01 09:45:20 AM
I don't care. I just don't care anymore. I don't have any kids, I have my immunizations and, frankly, I'm sick of this kind of bullshiat.

Either pass a law to ban this insane behavior and start imprisoning people (including those idiot religionists that kill their sick kids with prayer) for what amounts to assault or suck it up and die of preventable disease.

The anti-vax crowd did not come to their conclusions through logic and fact, they will not change their position no matter how many logical arguments and facts you throw at them. It's beyond time to either outlaw them or accept that their "freedom" to be assholes and idiots is killing people and will continue to kill people.

This is just like the gun debate. All the facts are out there at this point and there's no room left to dispute them, so either shiat or get off the pot.
 
2013-10-01 09:54:09 AM
Thanks Jenny McCarthy, you stupid twat.
 
2013-10-01 09:56:10 AM
The last time I was able to hang out with a bunch of doctors, they were all FUMING about this mentality.  This is a very real threat to your and your children's health, it's not just a handfull of  "crazy faith healers" anymore.
 
2013-10-01 09:57:18 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: basemetal: Why are kids allowed in those schools without vaccinations?  Ban their asses without vaccination, go home derp your kids if you feel that strongly about not vaccinating your kids.

Brother in law is friends with some of these derps and every time the topic comes up I have to shut that shiat down with the science behind it, and yet they just continue to ignore. I finally asked them how they felt about their child possibly being patient zero in the next world wide pandemic that could kill most of the population.



I'd stop letting the kids visit, and stop visiting them.
"No, I don't want to come over and see your little disease vectors."
 
2013-10-01 09:57:59 AM

Farking Canuck: If a child with an anti-vax parent gets a disease that they should have been vaccinated against, the parent should be beaten every day the child is sick.

Rinse and repeat for every additional child that their child infects (vaccinated or not).


Or just kill them, vaccinate the kids, and put the kids with parents who are capable of love.

/okay, it's a bit extreme
//would be fine if we just vaccinated everybody possible
///fark your "beliefs" when they start hurting or killing others
 
2013-10-01 09:59:28 AM

Sybarite: I read where in some of L.A.'s most expensive private elementary schools there are vaccination levels as low as 20%.


Sounds right to me, based on the several years I lived in Los Angeles.  Parents will even pay out-of-pocket for their NANNIES to be vaccinated, but they won't vaccinate their own children.  If there's an outbreak of something at school, the parents pull their kids out of school for a while until the outbreak has cleared.  Still, they won't vaccinate their own children.

I have heard one story going around that said young Latinos might be at risk for vaccination-preventable diseases.  The reasoning is this: the Latina nannies hear from their wealthy, white employers that vaccinations are "bad" so the nannies don't vaccinate their own kids, believing that their employers know more about it than they do.
 
2013-10-01 10:01:39 AM
I caught whooping cough in 2006. You do not want that shiat. Waking up in the middle of the night, struggling to take a breath. Coughing so hard you drop to your knees. Coughing until you puke. It took me four months to recover, and I'm still not 100 percent. And I was vaccinated as a kid, but it doesn't last forever, so you shiatbirds better get your kids vaccinated so that I don't die from that crap in my '90s after my immunity wears off again.
 
2013-10-01 10:06:19 AM
I address this issue from a different perspective. There are children that can't be vaccinnated due to their immune system. Also, infants can't be vaccinnated and depend exclusively on what immunity mom can pass on. The rest of us need to be innoculated in order to protect those that can't. Is there a slight risk of a reaction, yes, but you aren't just protecting yourself - you are protecting others.
 
2013-10-01 10:13:33 AM
Real curiosity, not trolling, but I have 2 questions on the subject:

1. Why don't we do blood tests to confirm we've built an immunity to what we were injected for?  Sounds like crappy medicine if we don't follow up on these procedures.
2. If you get vaccinated and you are convinced it will save you, why are people so worried about the unvaccinated?

Thanks.

/seriously
 
2013-10-01 10:19:34 AM

11Casey: Real curiosity, not trolling, but I have 2 questions on the subject:

1. Why don't we do blood tests to confirm we've built an immunity to what we were injected for?  Sounds like crappy medicine if we don't follow up on these procedures.
2. If you get vaccinated and you are convinced it will save you, why are people so worried about the unvaccinated?

Thanks.

/seriously


Herd immunity.  No vaccine is perfect, so the more un-vaccinated there are running around, the more likely it is a responsible (ie, vaccinated) member of the population gets sick.
 
2013-10-01 10:24:08 AM

11Casey: Real curiosity, not trolling, but I have 2 questions on the subject:

1. Why don't we do blood tests to confirm we've built an immunity to what we were injected for?  Sounds like crappy medicine if we don't follow up on these procedures.
2. If you get vaccinated and you are convinced it will save you, why are people so worried about the unvaccinated?

Thanks.

/seriously


For one thing, infant whooping couch vaccines often take multiple vaccinations.  They aren't JUST for pertussis but cover a couple other things (tetanus and diptheria).  Of course not vaccinating at all is where the real problem lies.  An unvaccinated adult becomes a carrier risk for infants who are highly susceptible to pertussis.

Diseases that have been thought to have been irradicated in this country through vaccinations are making reappearances Polio is a horrible example of this.  It is difficult to get it into Americans heads that it''s not always just about the individual and their "right" to do whatever the fark they want, it's about the society.
 
2013-10-01 10:24:40 AM
I call it the Expert mindset. Take my brother for one. World leading expert on pharmaceuticals. Because of this he is really really really well paid and has a lot of people that work for him. This also leads him to believe he knows everything about everything. Everything from woodworking to computer engineering.

I got one, too.  My sister the surgeon.
 
2013-10-01 10:24:42 AM
To reinforce the above point.

www.niaid.nih.gov
 
2013-10-01 10:29:33 AM

qorkfiend: namegoeshere: And get the freakin' vaccines if you are medically able.

AverageAmericanGuy: It's insane to go without vaccination living that close to Mexico.
There are no excuses.


Um, no, being allergic to stuff in the vaccines is a fair reason not to get them. There's a reason they ask if you're allergic to eggs with these things. Or otherwise really, actually, unable to get the vaccine safely... and I'm not talking about "but it might cause autism according to a tv moron". Vaccines that would actually kill you are no good!

However, that's exactly WHY herd immunity is so important. So the handful of kids who *legitimately* can't get the vaccines don't ever get exposed to it, because the rest of the brats don't catch it to spread it.

/they should require vaccines, or direct doctor's statement of inability to get them for REAL reasons, to let kids in school/daycare/etc.
//they do at top colleges, btw, so little Derpina's gonna need them then if you manage to helicopter-parent her in
 
2013-10-01 10:32:18 AM

11Casey: Real curiosity, not trolling, but I have 2 questions on the subject:

1. Why don't we do blood tests to confirm we've built an immunity to what we were injected for?


Because generally speaking, we don't need to - for any particular vaccine we already know the success rate of inoculations, and the point of the program is to protect the population as a whole, so the goal is to get the immunization rate at or beyond the level where herd immunity kicks in to protect everyone.

If you are worried about whether one particular individual was successfully inoculated, then yeah, sure, have a test done. But the CDC isn't worried about any particular individuals, they're worried about the entire  population

If you get vaccinated and you are convinced it will save you, why are people so worried about the unvaccinated?

1) Not everyone can be vaccinated - young infants, for example, or people who are allergic to the ingredients in the vaccine.
2) Vaccinations are not one hundred percent effective, so a certain percentage of the population is at risk even though they did get vaccinated.

In fact, once the vaccination rate falls gets low enough to compromise herd immunity, it's entirely possible that more people who are vaccinated will get the disease than non-vaccinated folks
 
2013-10-01 10:34:40 AM
No kidding.

But maybe it's my socioeconomic strata (middle to lower class), but I know a hell of a lot of people that don't make much that are also anti-vaxxers.

One has gone as far as to defend her stance on not vaccinating as "Well, there are too many people on Earth anyways".

She has three kids.

Homeschooled.

//Not Christian either.
 
2013-10-01 10:41:00 AM
I think we need to hit stupid anti-vaxers in the wallet. If your child needs medical care due to a vaccine-preventable illness and you can't provide proof of vaccination or valid medical exemption then you're on the hook for all medical expenses. I know that if I were an insurance company I'd rather pay $10 for a shot than thousands for a hospitalized measles case. Also, you should not be able to discharge this debt through bankruptcy. I'd also like to see anti-vax parents financially on the hook for anyone who catches the disease from little disease vector junior.

A few cases of parents running up six-figure debt would serve as a good eye-opener for the rest of the derpers.

CSS
Back in the day, one of my neighbour's kids was hospitalized when chickenpox was going around the neighbourhood (pre-chickenpox vaccine). He nearly sustained permanent brain damage and it was touch and go for a while.
/CSS
 
2013-10-01 10:57:55 AM
boobies
www.allaboutbirds.org
 
2013-10-01 11:00:47 AM

mbillips: I caught whooping cough in 2006. You do not want that shiat. Waking up in the middle of the night, struggling to take a breath. Coughing so hard you drop to your knees. Coughing until you puke. It took me four months to recover, and I'm still not 100 percent. And I was vaccinated as a kid, but it doesn't last forever, so you shiatbirds better get your kids vaccinated so that I don't die from that crap in my '90s after my immunity wears off again.


I caught that shiat last year and it is a horrible as you say.  I went to an urgent care place and they gave me antibiotics and x-rayed my chest (I thought I had broken some ribs, it hurt that much).  Anyway, I had scheduled an appointment with my regular physician and he said that once you show symptoms, there is nothing you can do except ride it out.  He also said that people do break ribs from coughing.  I can't even imagine how awful it would be for a child to have that.
 
2013-10-01 11:10:47 AM
Rich people problem.
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2013-10-01 11:14:13 AM
News flash!!!

90 percent of parents that do not vaccinate are already vaccinated themselves.

/Irony
 
2013-10-01 11:16:13 AM

Lord Farkwad: Rich people problem.
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No, everybody's problem. Read up on herd immunity.
 
2013-10-01 11:22:04 AM

mbillips: I caught whooping cough in 2006. You do not want that shiat. Waking up in the middle of the night, struggling to take a breath. Coughing so hard you drop to your knees. Coughing until you puke. It took me four months to recover, and I'm still not 100 percent. And I was vaccinated as a kid, but it doesn't last forever, so you shiatbirds better get your kids vaccinated so that I don't die from that crap in my '90s after my immunity wears off again.


Yeah, we vaccinate kids but we don't seem to give a shiat about regular booster shots for teens and adults.
 
2013-10-01 11:23:59 AM
*wanders off to find the "rich" republicans who make less than I do and think the vaccine will kill their children*

Granted, if they're making less than I do and I wish I was rich. How are they rich
 
2013-10-01 11:28:59 AM
This has always been one of the strongest arguments for socialized medicine. In countries where everyone gets free (at least basic) medical care, you stand a much better change of stopping an epidemic before it's an epidemic.

Of course, that doesn't address the problem that some people are just desperate to think they know better than people who actually, you know, know better in the face of all evidence. Anti-vaxxers, global warming denialists, trickle-down economists...same fabric, different cuts.
 
2013-10-01 11:32:55 AM

basemetal: Why are kids allowed in those schools without vaccinations?  Ban their asses without vaccination, go home derp your kids if you feel that strongly about not vaccinating your kids.


Some people actually have legitimate bad reactions to some vaccines, and have to stop partway through the course. Should they also be excluded?

/had to stop my whooping-cough course. Got all my other shots.
//dear antivaxxers: stop straining herd immunity. Some of us NEED that.
 
2013-10-01 11:44:16 AM

ph0rk: Lord Farkwad: Rich people problem.
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No, everybody's problem. Read up on herd immunity.


I don't think you have to worry about the rich kids spreading their cooties to the poor kids. I doubt the poor kids are going to be hanging with the rich kids at the country club.
 
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