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(TreeHugger)   At some point it becomes less of a hobby and more of an obsession when you kill 81 elephants   (treehugger.com) divider line 26
    More: Asinine, crime against nature, poachers, cyanide, sidelines  
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2013-10-01 07:31:37 AM
tie to stake. Let elephants dispense justice.
 
2013-10-01 07:42:44 AM

flucto: tie to stake. Let elephants dispense justice.


Elephants can be damn vicious when they're in the right frame of mind.

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2013-10-01 07:44:16 AM
Tony Jaa is going to be PISSED.
 
2013-10-01 07:45:44 AM
That's Babaric.
 
2013-10-01 07:47:46 AM
I thought they killed poachers there.

/guess not
//they should
 
2013-10-01 07:47:47 AM
15 years in jail?  They should be skinned and left on stakes as a warning to other poachers.
 
2013-10-01 07:49:49 AM

flucto: tie to stake. Let elephants dispense justice.


This
 
2013-10-01 08:01:47 AM
Some how it seems that they are getting off light.
 
2013-10-01 08:27:14 AM
To make matters worse, poachers have begun to turn to poisoning water holes with cyanide to kill elephants en masse, with lethal consequences that permeate throughout the surrounding ecosystem claiming the lives of countless other animals.



Oh, nice.
 
2013-10-01 08:30:10 AM
This wasn't a hobby.  They weren't killing elephants for the sport of it.  It was about *MONEY*.

There are 3 main types of hunting:

1. Subsistence hunting.  This is hunting for food, and it can and has resulted in species becoming endangered and extinct.  This happened to, for example, the Dodo.

2. Market hunting.  This is hunting so you can sell the parts of the animal.  This type can and has resulted in species becoming endangered and extinct.  This is what has caused the near extinction of species like the American Bison and tigers, to name two, and definitely caused the extinction of others, like the Steller Sea Cow.

3. Sport hunting.  This is hunting for the enjoyment of the chase, regardless of whether the animal is eaten or not.  This type of hunting, especially when regulated, doesn't result in species becoming endangered or extinct.  In fact, for charismatic megafauna, it often results in increases in population of both the hunted species, and those that share the same habitat.
 
2013-10-01 08:38:52 AM

dittybopper: caused the near extinction of species like the American Bison


No.
 
2013-10-01 08:49:26 AM
www.ghostinthemachine.net

"You should have told me not to kill the elephants!"
"But I DID tell you not to kill the elephants!"
"Yes, but you did not convince me! You deliberately and traitorously refused to be convincing!"
 
2013-10-01 08:50:31 AM
www.factmonster.com
 
2013-10-01 08:58:07 AM
Never forget!
 
2013-10-01 09:16:32 AM
I shot an elephant in my pajamas ...
 
2013-10-01 09:25:56 AM

thesubliminalman: I shot an elephant in my pajamas ...


How did he get in your pajamas?
 
2013-10-01 09:29:14 AM

cantsleep: thesubliminalman: I shot an elephant in my pajamas ...

How did he get in your pajamas?


I'll never know.
 
2013-10-01 09:29:47 AM

flucto: dittybopper: caused the near extinction of species like the American Bison

No.


Yes.

The primary cause of the decline of the bison was market hunting for their hides, which was enabled by the railroads.  It was slaughter on an industrial scale:

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The two most valuable commodities from bison were the hide, and the bones (which were used for things like fertilizer).   The meat was mostly left to rot, but some was used by the hunters themselves as a food source.

There was some sport hunting but it palled in comparison to the market hunting, and of course the Plains Indians were able to more effectively subsistence hunt bison with the introduction of horses and firearms, but the major reason for the crash of the bison population was market hunting, enabled by the ability of the railroads to quickly ship the hides back to places like St. Louis for tanning.

That it has a secondary effect of removing a food and hide source for the Plains Indians was a bonus for the US Government that was trying to bring them under control, but the slaughter would have happened even if that wasn't true.

Don't take my word for it, though, here is a good timeline on the decline of the American Bison.  Note that at the peak, market hunters were killing 5,000 bison a day over a span of three years.  That's about 5.5 million bison killed in just 3 years by market hunters.
 
2013-10-01 09:30:42 AM
sed 's/palled/paled/g'

Don't know how that extra 'l' got in there.
 
2013-10-01 09:31:40 AM
I bet they were coming right for him. All 81 of them.
 
2013-10-01 09:31:42 AM

thesubliminalman: cantsleep: thesubliminalman: I shot an elephant in my pajamas ...

How did he get in your pajamas?

I'll never know.


We couldn't remove the tusks.

Of course, in Alabama, the Tuscaloosa.
 
2013-10-01 12:06:59 PM
Notice how these meetings never have Asians attending? That's because Asians, especially Chinese, are the primary consumers of ivory. It's much easier to make Westerners feel guilty about dead elephants than it is to convince Asians to stop.
 
2013-10-01 12:46:23 PM
Cut their heads off, and put them on sticks... Send pictures of this to every major newspaper and media outlet in the world, with a translation in every language that says, "If you come to poach, kill, poison, or otherwise harm these animals ever again, we will do the same to you. No trial, no wait, if we find substantial evidence, we cut off your head, put it on a stick to serve as a warning and deterent to others."

Widespread poaching, for nothing other than profit that is going to result in the extinction of a species... It enrages me in a way that few other things can... It is blatent ignorance of an ecological balance and of the greatness that these animals possess... I think it should rather be the humans that are ruining this planet and killing off all the other species who should be forced into extinction, to save the planet for the rest of the organisms.
 
2013-10-01 01:16:12 PM

pkrzycki: Cut their heads off, and put them on sticks... Send pictures of this to every major newspaper and media outlet in the world, with a translation in every language that says, "If you come to poach, kill, poison, or otherwise harm these animals ever again, we will do the same to you. No trial, no wait, if we find substantial evidence, we cut off your head, put it on a stick to serve as a warning and deterent to others."


That won't necessarily be effective, because the demand is there.  All it will do is increase the potential cost to the poachers.

They will then respond with different methods.  One might be to simply follow the lead of the Mexican drug cartels and assassinate the people hired to enforce the anti-poaching regulations.   So long as the potential cost (ie., death) is relatively unlikely, as it must be, the poaching would continue.

Probably the very best way to handle it would be to develop an artificial ivory that is indistinguishable from the real thing, and flood the market with it.   Poachers won't get the high prices for ivory, and they will move on to something else for a livelihood.
 
2013-10-01 01:29:26 PM

dittybopper: pkrzycki: Cut their heads off, and put them on sticks... Send pictures of this to every major newspaper and media outlet in the world, with a translation in every language that says, "If you come to poach, kill, poison, or otherwise harm these animals ever again, we will do the same to you. No trial, no wait, if we find substantial evidence, we cut off your head, put it on a stick to serve as a warning and deterent to others."

That won't necessarily be effective, because the demand is there.  All it will do is increase the potential cost to the poachers.

They will then respond with different methods.  One might be to simply follow the lead of the Mexican drug cartels and assassinate the people hired to enforce the anti-poaching regulations.   So long as the potential cost (ie., death) is relatively unlikely, as it must be, the poaching would continue.

Probably the very best way to handle it would be to develop an artificial ivory that is indistinguishable from the real thing, and flood the market with it.   Poachers won't get the high prices for ivory, and they will move on to something else for a livelihood.


Won't help. There's plenty of fossil ivory. Doesn't cut into the demand for modern ivory. Viagra is effective, legal and cheap. Rhinos are still being driven to extinction for their horns so rich old Chinese men can get boners
 
2013-10-01 01:53:40 PM

anuran: Won't help. There's plenty of fossil ivory. Doesn't cut into the demand for modern ivory.


Actually, relatively cheap fossil ivory is a fairly new phenomenon.  You can get small pieces of it sort-of inexpensively, my dad made a pin for one of his atlatls out of mammoth ivory.

Even then, though, it sells for something like $200+ a kilogram.  I'm talking about a substitute that would sell for so little (maybe $50 a kilo or less?) and that would be indistinguishable from the real thing.  All we have to do is figure out how to grow artificial teeth cheaply.

Viagra is effective, legal and cheap. Rhinos are still being driven to extinction for their horns so rich old Chinese men can get boners

Different kind of market.  That's a "traditional medicine" market.  Elephant ivory usually ends up as luxury carved goods.
 
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