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(NewsMax)   White House Spokesman says Republicans tying funding for Obamacare to the budget resolution would be like President Barack Obama saying he would sign a budget if it included background checks at gun shows   (newsmax.com) divider line 43
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2013-10-01 07:42:04 AM
Completely unreasonable, worthy of removal from office, and a national embarrassment that should result in public flogging?
 
2013-10-01 07:43:37 AM
Maybe the democrats should have sent the bill back to the house with a gun ban attatched.  They'd crap a bullet.
 
2013-10-01 07:43:37 AM
Here we go...
 
2013-10-01 07:46:26 AM
Imagine a post apocalyptic republican United States. Of course, it could never happen after reagan closed the mental institutions.
 
2013-10-01 07:46:57 AM
hostage taking...
 
2013-10-01 07:49:54 AM
That's a goddamn outrage! The Supreme Court and national voters have spoken. Obama is going against the will of the peo---

Wait a minute
 
2013-10-01 07:49:57 AM
That's not accurate.  The vast majority of Americans support background checks at gun shows.
 
2013-10-01 07:50:20 AM
Tie funding to things Dems want?  Un-American!

/derp
 
2013-10-01 07:50:43 AM
I'm not clicking on a NewsMax article, but I can imagine.
 
2013-10-01 07:51:50 AM
More like he said he would sign of all guns were outlawed. Then, when he reduced it to only outlaw semi-automatics, he'd claim the other side won't negotiate.
 
2013-10-01 07:52:13 AM
Budgets always include a bunch of unrelated stuff.  This is different.
 
2013-10-01 07:53:03 AM
"Anything I slightly disagree with is worse than Hitler."
 
2013-10-01 07:53:48 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Maybe the democrats should have sent the bill back to the house with a gun ban attatched.  They'd crap a bullet.


They'd sign that because it wouldn't hold up in SCOTUS.

Assault weapons ban might do the job, though.
 
2013-10-01 07:54:44 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Maybe the democrats should have sent the bill back to the house with a gun ban attatched.  They'd crap a bullet.


Never happen. Would bite them on the ass during re-election.

/bigdogdaddy voted to take your guns away.
//bigdogdaddy hates the Constitution.
///bigdogdaddy is gonna get primaried.
 
2013-10-01 07:54:55 AM
You missed the newest angle/trick the Republicans did.  They also added that everyone in the government has to be on Obamacare.

They didn't change anything else just added that and insists that's why the Democrats refuse to pass it because they don't want to be on Obamacare.
 
2013-10-01 07:55:42 AM

Aristocles: No, you see, the Majority of Americans are pro-Second Amendment, and the Majority of Americans are anti-Obamacare.

Failed analogy fails


[Citation needed]
 
2013-10-01 07:56:54 AM

foo monkey: Aristocles: No, you see, the Majority of Americans are pro-Second Amendment, and the Majority of Americans are anti-Obamacare.

Failed analogy fails

[Citation needed]


Y U respond to Aristotrolly?
 
2013-10-01 07:59:36 AM
White House Spokesman Jay Carney said the Republicans tying funding for Obamacare to the budget resolution would be like President Barack Obama saying he would sign a budget if it included background checks at gun shows, something he's fought for and lost.  "But he's not doing that," Carney told CNN. "He's not attaching any conditions."

Because he's not a terrorist.

Kibbler: That's not accurate.  The vast majority of Americans support background checks at gun shows.


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d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-01 08:05:45 AM

Kibbler: That's not accurate.  The vast majority of Americans support background checks at gun shows.


You're right, but it is still a good analogy.

As I said in another thread, if the Democrats did ANYTHING like the Republicans are doing you couldn't turn on a TV set without a shrill whine coming from the speakers...
 
2013-10-01 08:10:45 AM
Just as an aside, I actually found myself yesterday watching CNN's Hypothetical Situation Room for the first time in a long while and actually watched Blitzer's fail interview with Senor Cruz.

Closest I've come to hurling a brick into a TV since that time the Canucks blew it late in the playoffs.

/Not not that time, the other one. No the other other one.

Seriously, watching Cruz pretend that his opposition to the ACA was based on concern that it wasn't good enough and then pretending that Congress still had time to act after his showboating/ attention whoring fauxibuster BS the other day made me feel like I was taking crazy pills.

Add in Blitzer throwing not even softball but nerfball questions the whole interview and I was suddenly reminded quite forcefully why I try not to watch that shiat in anything but small doses anymore.
 
2013-10-01 08:11:57 AM

FullMetalPanda: You missed the newest angle/trick the Republicans did.  They also added that everyone in the government has to be on Obamacare.

They didn't change anything else just added that and insists that's why the Democrats refuse to pass it because they don't want to be on Obamacare.


Congressional staffers already have to purchase health care off the exchange, the Vitter amendment would just take away their employer subsidy of their health care (you know, which every other federal employee and many private employers offer).
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-01 08:12:13 AM
Again.  All the hands of the people in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce this morning are stinky and brown.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-01 08:13:30 AM

quatchi: Seriously, watching Cruz pretend that his opposition to the ACA was based on concern that it wasn't good enough and then pretending that Congress still had time to act after his showboating/ attention whoring fauxibuster BS the other day made me feel like I was taking crazy pills.

Add in Blitzer throwing not even softball but nerfball questions the whole interview and I was suddenly reminded quite forcefully why I try not to watch that shiat in anything but small doses anymore.


If Cruz is our future we might as well fire nukes at ourselves and get the future over with.
 
2013-10-01 08:14:46 AM
And by the way, the actual quote from the President, which isn't even mentioned in this newsmax "article":

If you had a Republican president in here and a Democratic speaker said, "We're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you pass background checks on guns. We're not going to pass the debt ceiling unless you raise the corporate income tax by 30 percent," you know, that Republican president would find him- or herself in a similar position. That's not how our Constitution was designed. Raising the debt ceiling is not raising the debt; it is simply saying Congress is authorizing the Treasury to pay for those things that Congress has already approved.
 
2013-10-01 08:16:39 AM
When can the bombing of Confederate states begin?
 
2013-10-01 08:18:26 AM

Smoking GNU: foo monkey: Aristocles: No, you see, the Majority of Americans are pro-Second Amendment, and the Majority of Americans are anti-Obamacare.

Failed analogy fails

[Citation needed]

Y U respond to Aristotrolly?


Sorry. I'm hungover from watching the Cspan train wreck last night. Totally my bad.
 
2013-10-01 08:23:49 AM

KyngNothing: And by the way, the actual quote from the President, which isn't even mentioned in this newsmax "article":

If you had a Republican president in here and a Democratic speaker said, "We're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you pass background checks on guns. We're not going to pass the debt ceiling unless you raise the corporate income tax by 30 percent," you know, that Republican president would find him- or herself in a similar position. That's not how our Constitution was designed. Raising the debt ceiling is not raising the debt; it is simply saying Congress is authorizing the Treasury to pay for those things that Congress has already approved.


Agree or disagree with his policies, but everything in that quote is bloody true.
 
2013-10-01 08:48:26 AM

Aristocles: No, you see, the Majority of Americans are pro-Second Amendment, and the Majority of Americans are anti-Obamacare.

Failed analogy fails


I have all the guns I want.  I am just doing like they do and not as they say.  I got mine
 
2013-10-01 08:50:17 AM
It's hilarious watching conservatives try to convince people that the right-wing radicals are not in fact being radical with their blackmail attempts.
 
2013-10-01 09:06:25 AM

Aristocles: No, you see, the Majority of Americans are pro-Second Amendment, and the Majority of Americans are anti-Obamacare.

Failed analogy fails


But is the majority of Americans anti-background checks?

//Also last I checked it's 49% against on Obamacare -- a plurality perhaps, but not a majority.
 
2013-10-01 09:09:22 AM
Don't you guys remember back in 2007 when the newly elected Democratic Congress refused to pass a budget for W unless it included the assault weapons ban that W and the Republicans had recently repealed?

And in 2008, when they shut down the government in order to attempt to repeal the Bush tax cuts?

This is just like that. Both sides are bad!

In a bizarre opposite universe, where those things actually happened.
 
2013-10-01 09:22:43 AM
Arkanaut:

//Also last I checked it's 49% against on Obamacare -- a plurality perhaps, but not a majority.

But only 37% of Americans support the repeal of the Affordable Care Act! Because herpderp.
 
2013-10-01 09:26:14 AM

Jonnadiah: Arkanaut:

//Also last I checked it's 49% against on Obamacare -- a plurality perhaps, but not a majority.

But only 37% of Americans support the repeal of the Affordable Care Act! Because herpderp.


it's because a fair amount of those opposed to obamacare feel that the law doesn't go far enough.
 
2013-10-01 09:32:57 AM

Jonnadiah: Arkanaut:

//Also last I checked it's 49% against on Obamacare -- a plurality perhaps, but not a majority.

But only 37% of Americans support the repeal of the Affordable Care Act! Because herpderp.


Good point -- that stat is a lot more relevant.
 
2013-10-01 10:15:52 AM

Arkanaut: Jonnadiah: Arkanaut:

//Also last I checked it's 49% against on Obamacare -- a plurality perhaps, but not a majority.

But only 37% of Americans support the repeal of the Affordable Care Act! Because herpderp.

Good point -- that stat is a lot more relevant.


The fact that people feel differently about Obamacare in polls than they do the ACA which is the exact same thing with a different name is relevant.

It's relevant in that it shows how prevalent and successful the disinformation campaign against the ACA has been to date.

Combine that with polls showing that the more people know about the ACA the more they approve of it and it all paints a pretty clear albeit bleak picture of much of the American electorate.
 
2013-10-01 10:26:58 AM

crab66: "Anything I slightly disagree with is worse than Hitler."


The beauty of that kind of logic is that the person is admitting that his sense of right and wrong goes right up to the line of Hitler.
 
2013-10-01 11:04:11 AM
I am holding out hope that every Congress Critter who lines up to support the Vitter agreement (and I hope there are a bunch) would be met with their entire staffs resigning en masse.

Having lived and worked in DC for well over a decade and knowing lots of congressional staffers (from both parties) I would imagine that they are all taking that as a kick in the face that they did not deserve.  While the Democratic staffers could kind of laugh it off (knowing it's never going to happen and their bosses would never support) I've got a feeling there's a bunch of Republican staffers out there this morning who feel they just got fed to the wolves in an effort by one of their own to score a few cheap political points.  My guess is that a lot of them will remain bitter about how they are being "used" for quite some time to come.  Vitter (and anyone else on record as supporting this idea) better be prepared to be firmly and regularly farked over for some time to come by the staffs of just about every other congressional office out there.
 
2013-10-01 11:39:29 AM

lawboy87: I am holding out hope that every Congress Critter who lines up to support the Vitter agreement (and I hope there are a bunch) would be met with their entire staffs resigning en masse.

Having lived and worked in DC for well over a decade and knowing lots of congressional staffers (from both parties) I would imagine that they are all taking that as a kick in the face that they did not deserve.  While the Democratic staffers could kind of laugh it off (knowing it's never going to happen and their bosses would never support) I've got a feeling there's a bunch of Republican staffers out there this morning who feel they just got fed to the wolves in an effort by one of their own to score a few cheap political points.  My guess is that a lot of them will remain bitter about how they are being "used" for quite some time to come.  Vitter (and anyone else on record as supporting this idea) better be prepared to be firmly and regularly farked over for some time to come by the staffs of just about every other congressional office out there.


They had to see this coming. I mean, Romney, their nominee, canceled every staff credit card immediately after conceding.
 
2013-10-01 12:03:20 PM

lawboy87: I am holding out hope that every Congress Critter who lines up to support the Vitter agreement (and I hope there are a bunch) would be met with their entire staffs resigning en masse.

Having lived and worked in DC for well over a decade and knowing lots of congressional staffers (from both parties) I would imagine that they are all taking that as a kick in the face that they did not deserve.  While the Democratic staffers could kind of laugh it off (knowing it's never going to happen and their bosses would never support) I've got a feeling there's a bunch of Republican staffers out there this morning who feel they just got fed to the wolves in an effort by one of their own to score a few cheap political points.  My guess is that a lot of them will remain bitter about how they are being "used" for quite some time to come.  Vitter (and anyone else on record as supporting this idea) better be prepared to be firmly and regularly farked over for some time to come by the staffs of just about every other congressional office out there.


If the Democrats are smart, they'll be hitting this constantly.  The Congressmen aren't hitting themselves, just their staff.  Remind every Republican staffer what their party is trying to do to them.
 
2013-10-01 12:08:09 PM
I used that argument with a Tea Tard yesterday. 'Replace 'healthcare' with 'gun control', and tell me who you would blame for the shut down. His response sounded very much like crickets.
 
2013-10-01 12:31:34 PM

lawboy87: I am holding out hope that every Congress Critter who lines up to support the Vitter agreement (and I hope there are a bunch) would be met with their entire staffs resigning en masse.

Having lived and worked in DC for well over a decade and knowing lots of congressional staffers (from both parties) I would imagine that they are all taking that as a kick in the face that they did not deserve.  While the Democratic staffers could kind of laugh it off (knowing it's never going to happen and their bosses would never support) I've got a feeling there's a bunch of Republican staffers out there this morning who feel they just got fed to the wolves in an effort by one of their own to score a few cheap political points.  My guess is that a lot of them will remain bitter about how they are being "used" for quite some time to come.  Vitter (and anyone else on record as supporting this idea) better be prepared to be firmly and regularly farked over for some time to come by the staffs of just about every other congressional office out there.


I have a friend that was a higher level staffer for a congress person that lost in November and is now working in a state assemblyman's office (said assemblyman is planning on running in 2014 for congress).

His first tweet this morning was to blame the Ds for the shutdown. Mind you, his previous boss was actually a republican that I voted several times to send back to DC. A real moderate, pro gay rights, proposed environmental friendly legislation, etc. Did find the heart to vote lockstep with the GOP to defund Obamacare 30 odd times though.

The staffers are true believers, probably even moreso than their bosses.
 
2013-10-01 01:02:50 PM

EyeballKid: When can the bombing of Confederate states begin?


I'm starting to think it never should have stopped.
 
2013-10-01 11:50:35 PM

foo monkey: Aristocles: No, you see, the Majority of Americans are pro-Second Amendment, and the Majority of Americans are anti-Obamacare.

Failed analogy fails


Let's see...Are there any other indicators on which the public will can be measured outside of hand picked polls inciting knee-jerk reactions?  Like maybe an election?  During which two huge issues on the table were gun rights and the repeal of ObamaCare?  And didn't several million more people vote against those two issues than voted for it?  Didn't you lose, and I mean MISERABLY lose?

 
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