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(CBS Chicago)   Nursing-home staff use fire extinguisher on wheelchair-bound man and push him back outside leaving him to smolder to death after he catches fire while smoking on the patio (with possibly disturbing video)   (chicago.cbslocal.com) divider line 98
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2013-10-01 09:16:15 AM
I guess he's gonna quit smoking now. Big Tobacco isn't to blame for your addiction. Well he *was* smoldering.
 
2013-10-01 09:16:59 AM
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2013-10-01 09:17:13 AM
Damn.
 
2013-10-01 09:18:23 AM
da fuq?
 
2013-10-01 09:19:15 AM
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2013-10-01 09:20:42 AM
Well ya can't just leave him to smolder to death inside.  That's just not right.
 
2013-10-01 09:21:16 AM
The staff was negligent and frankly incompetent, but it sounds like the family needs to sue the crap out of the maker of the lighter as well, as they aren't supposed to "explode" in someone's pocket either
 
2013-10-01 09:21:50 AM
After watching the video, it seems he got the "roll" part at least...
 
2013-10-01 09:22:57 AM
But to be fair to the staff, I consider myself pretty well versed in first aid and I didn;t know about the cooling down a burn thingwith damp sheets till just now either.  OTOH I'm just a lawyer with a first-aid kit and a little volunteer training, not trained medical staff
 
2013-10-01 09:23:29 AM
I was disturbed until i spend up the video and overlayed Yakety-sax.  Much better.
 
2013-10-01 09:23:40 AM
Lisa Couch says her brother, Michael Lewis, was nearing the end of his stay at Lake Shore HealthCare and Rehabilitation Centre when tragedy struck.

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"It was his last day before retirement!"
 
2013-10-01 09:24:10 AM
I bet the staff was inside drawing straws on who would have to do CPR on him  "Mouth to mouth with an old guy...eww no way!"
 
2013-10-01 09:27:17 AM
A smoker catches fire?  Grumpy cat would have a thing or two to say about that.  Well, really just one thing...


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2013-10-01 09:29:07 AM
Austin: [the guard has just fallen in molten lava] What a... burn?
[laughs]
Austin: That sort of thing could get a man... fired?
[laughs]
Austin: I think he was... hot... for... you?
[laughs]
Felicity Shagwell: That's enough.
Austin: Yeah.
 
2013-10-01 09:31:07 AM

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Bless you, sir.
 
2013-10-01 09:31:51 AM

Magorn: The staff was negligent and frankly incompetent, but it sounds like the family needs to sue the crap out of the maker of the lighter as well, as they aren't supposed to "explode" in someone's pocket either


$10 says Hot Wheels over here put the lighter back in his pocket still lit and caught hisself on fire.
 
2013-10-01 09:31:59 AM

Magorn: But to be fair to the staff, I consider myself pretty well versed in first aid and I didn;t know about the cooling down a burn thingwith damp sheets till just now either.  OTOH I'm just a lawyer with a first-aid kit and a little volunteer training, not trained medical staff


With all do respect, you've never heard to immediately run a burn under cool/cold water (to stop the continued burning process)?
 
2013-10-01 09:32:26 AM
I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.
 
2013-10-01 09:33:05 AM

thesubliminalman: Well ya can't just leave him to smolder to death inside.  That's just not right.


Takes forever to get the smell out of the drapes.
 
2013-10-01 09:33:15 AM
Smoking will kill ya.
 
2013-10-01 09:34:43 AM
Any reasonable facility likely would have at least artificial respiration masks.   Most would have either an ambu bag or an elder valve mask (they did have an oxygen tank) that would have forced ventilations without a responder having to breath into the victim.

Even my four year old nephew knows drop and roll or smother with a blanket.

A health provider with a clue would have know how to treat burns, but even if the first responding people didn't you just don't ABANDON a patient.   You get help from someone with a clue.
 
2013-10-01 09:36:19 AM

rnatalie: Any reasonable facility likely would have at least artificial respiration masks.   Most would have either an ambu bag or an elder valve mask (they did have an oxygen tank) that would have forced ventilations without a responder having to breath into the victim.

Even my four year old nephew knows drop and roll or smother with a blanket.

A health provider with a clue would have know how to treat burns, but even if the first responding people didn't you just don't ABANDON a patient.   You get help from someone with a clue.


Obamacare, 'nuff said
 
2013-10-01 09:36:45 AM
Damn, Chicago sounds like it's on the fast track to Detroit here these last few months.
 
2013-10-01 09:37:04 AM
surprised that the guy even had cigarettes, usually when you get checked into a third-rate nursing home, the staff "appropriates" your cancer sticks for their own consumption...
 
2013-10-01 09:37:24 AM

Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.


That's a hell of an assumption.  Depending on what he was in there for (recovering from major surgery, Alzheimer's, etc.), he may have been totally beyond the family's ability to provide appropriate medical care.

Neglect does happen, but it's wrong to assume it ab initio.
 
2013-10-01 09:38:50 AM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:

Obamacare, 'nuff said

Indeed...  Health insurance exchanges open today.  Coincidence?  I don't know of course; I'm just asking questions...
 
2013-10-01 09:43:03 AM

Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.


"Lisa Couch says her brother, Michael Lewis, was nearing the end of his stay at Lake Shore HealthCare and Rehabilitation Centre"

It's not a nursing home.
 
2013-10-01 09:43:32 AM
Sat thru an OH & S meeting after a nursing home resident caught himself on fire in the smoking room, thanks to a new lumbrejack shirt (all fuzzy and flammable.)

It was made so much worse when they used the fire blanket.  It put the fire out, but then staff would not take it off him, thus keeping the heat trapped inside, worsening his burns.  He didn't make it.

/thankful there were no visuals in that meeting.
//poor bastards
 
2013-10-01 09:44:36 AM

ZackDanger: Magorn: But to be fair to the staff, I consider myself pretty well versed in first aid and I didn;t know about the cooling down a burn thingwith damp sheets till just now either.  OTOH I'm just a lawyer with a first-aid kit and a little volunteer training, not trained medical staff

With all do respect, you've never heard to immediately run a burn under cool/cold water (to stop the continued burning process)?


a small 1st or 2nd degree burn?  Sure. But not to "stop the burning process" just to relieve the pain-the other apsect of that I wasn;t aware of.  And for  Third degree burns where the skin is sloughing off and there are open wounds and the skin is likely to peel off with any bandage you apply, the advice I'd always been gice was do as little as possible becuase that takes some seriously specialized equipment to deal with
 
2013-10-01 09:46:51 AM
Well done.
 
2013-10-01 09:48:25 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.

"Lisa Couch says her brother, Michael Lewis, was nearing the end of his stay at Lake Shore HealthCare and Rehabilitation Centre"

It's not a nursing home.


I see, my bad then. I'm just a bit biased when it comes to nursing homes because my family locked my grandfather away in one for alzehimers and forgot he existed. Even though he was still more than capable of taking care of himself and I lived with him at the time so I helped him when he couldn't. But locking him up gave them access to his retirement fund or something (I don't know the details) so they tossed him to the nearest home and laughed all the way to the bank.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who visits him. His own daughter doesn't even call to check on him.
 
2013-10-01 09:48:59 AM

jshine: Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.

That's a hell of an assumption.  Depending on what he was in there for (recovering from major surgery, Alzheimer's, etc.), he may have been totally beyond the family's ability to provide appropriate medical care.

Neglect does happen, but it's wrong to assume it ab initio.


Not if you  have never experienced any real hardship or pain in your short, pointless life. To the typical Fark man-child, real life is something that happens to other people.
 
2013-10-01 09:49:28 AM

Magorn: But to be fair to the staff, I consider myself pretty well versed in first aid and I didn;t know about the cooling down a burn thingwith damp sheets till just now either.  OTOH I'm just a lawyer with a first-aid kit and a little volunteer training, not trained medical staff



I will guarantee you almost nobody working at a nursing home is truly trained medical staff either.
 
2013-10-01 09:50:45 AM

Esroc: see, my bad then. I'm just a bit biased when it comes to nursing homes because my family locked my grandfather away in one for alzehimers and forgot he existed. Even though he was still more than capable of taking care of himself and I lived with him at the time so I helped him when he couldn't. But locking him up gave them access to his retirement fund or something (I don't know the details) so they tossed him to the nearest home and laughed all the way to the bank.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who visits him. His own daughter doesn't even call to check on him.


Yeesh - hopefully they will end up the same you can choose what you do to them.

/some people are dicks
 
2013-10-01 09:53:57 AM
Not only on the first day of Obamacare, but from our community organizer in chief's own hometown!

I would typically say that I expect more to come, but I'm sure the journOlists will cover it up like everything else.
 
2013-10-01 09:56:57 AM

Esroc: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.

"Lisa Couch says her brother, Michael Lewis, was nearing the end of his stay at Lake Shore HealthCare and Rehabilitation Centre"

It's not a nursing home.

I see, my bad then. I'm just a bit biased when it comes to nursing homes because my family locked my grandfather away in one for alzehimers and forgot he existed. Even though he was still more than capable of taking care of himself and I lived with him at the time so I helped him when he couldn't. But locking him up gave them access to his retirement fund or something (I don't know the details) so they tossed him to the nearest home and laughed all the way to the bank.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who visits him. His own daughter doesn't even call to check on him.


I don't know you exactly story, your grandfather condition or your age at the time he was put in the home, but based on my own grandmothers struggle with the disease and my mothers attempt to take care of her, unless your life style allows somebody to devote  24 hours a day and an enormous amount of mental energy to the persons care they will eventually get bad enough that there is no choice but to put them in a home.
 
2013-10-01 09:57:37 AM

ZackDanger: Magorn: But to be fair to the staff, I consider myself pretty well versed in first aid and I didn;t know about the cooling down a burn thingwith damp sheets till just now either.  OTOH I'm just a lawyer with a first-aid kit and a little volunteer training, not trained medical staff

With all do respect, you've never heard to immediately run a burn under cool/cold water (to stop the continued burning process)?


due.

"with all due respect"

/nobody believes anyone who uses that phrase means to be respectful anyway
 
2013-10-01 09:58:17 AM

Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.


2/10
 
2013-10-01 10:02:15 AM

enik: Not only on the first day of Obamacare, but from our community organizer in chief's own hometown!

I would typically say that I expect more to come, but I'm sure the journOlists will cover it up like everything else.


wat
 
2013-10-01 10:03:22 AM

jshine: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:

Obamacare, 'nuff said

Indeed...  Health insurance exchanges open today.  Coincidence?  I don't know of course; I'm just asking questions...


Some people are just clueless.
 
2013-10-01 10:03:58 AM

enik: Not only on the first day of Obamacare, but from our community organizer in chief's own hometown!

I would typically say that I expect more to come, but I'm sure the journOlists will cover it up like everything else.


I KNOW!  I mean why isn't that guy micro managing the entire nation?!  The balls on him, doesn't he know what his job is supposed to be?
 
2013-10-01 10:07:40 AM

brimed03: enik: Not only on the first day of Obamacare, but from our community organizer in chief's own hometown!

I would typically say that I expect more to come, but I'm sure the journOlists will cover it up like everything else.

wat


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2013-10-01 10:15:10 AM

manimal2878: I don't know you exactly story, your grandfather condition or your age at the time he was put in the home, but based on my own grandmothers struggle with the disease and my mothers attempt to take care of her, unless your life style allows somebody to devote 24 hours a day and an enormous amount of mental energy to the persons care they will eventually get bad enough that there is no choice but to put them in a home.


Yeah I know a few people that had to be put in a home because it was too straining on everyone to try and care for the person.  Some people are not good with that kind of thing, my wife is screwed when we get older and she gets that way because I don't have that kind of patience to do it.  I'm glad some people do though.
 
2013-10-01 10:18:51 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.

"Lisa Couch says her brother, Michael Lewis, was nearing the end of his stay at Lake Shore HealthCare and Rehabilitation Centre"

It's not a nursing home.


Well it didn't rehabilitate him.
 
2013-10-01 10:23:19 AM

Prof. Frink: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Esroc: I love how the family is all enraged and demanding recompense even though they didn't care enough about the guy to not dump him into a nursing home. I'd bet hard cash they didn't even remember him until they got the call.

"Lisa Couch says her brother, Michael Lewis, was nearing the end of his stay at Lake Shore HealthCare and Rehabilitation Centre"

It's not a nursing home.

Well it didn't rehabilitate him.


And he was definitely nearing the end of his stay.
 
2013-10-01 10:23:37 AM
Am I missing something obvious?  this part:  "State nursing home regulators say spraying Lewis directly with the extinguisher was against the rules."

Here's the thing...If I'M on fire, you go right ahead and spray me directly with the extinguisher, regardless of what the rules say.
 
2013-10-01 10:29:26 AM
A friend of mine is a Paramedic/Fireman with LAFD. The level of incompetence in some nursing homes is frightening. On one call, the health care "professionals" had put an oxygen mask on their victim but failed to turn on the oxygen.
 
2013-10-01 10:33:06 AM
I want to be outraged, but I can't seem to get there.
 
2013-10-01 10:33:20 AM

PunGent: Am I missing something obvious?  this part:  "State nursing home regulators say spraying Lewis directly with the extinguisher was against the rules."

Here's the thing...If I'M on fire, you go right ahead and spray me directly with the extinguisher, regardless of what the rules say.


The CO2 could make it so you can't breath and if you can't breath.....

But yeah if I'm on fire please do whatever you have handy to put me out, I don't care what, it could be a clogged toliet water for all I care stop the fire.  Sucks for that guy but if he was at home instead of being at that facility what would have changed?  For one the guy would have been a pile of ash and no way for an open casket.
 
2013-10-01 10:35:54 AM

PunGent: Am I missing something obvious?  this part:  "State nursing home regulators say spraying Lewis directly with the extinguisher was against the rules."

Here's the thing...If I'M on fire, you go right ahead and spray me directly with the extinguisher, regardless of what the rules say.


Dude, shiat man.  If I am on fire, unable to put myself out, bound and unable to move effectively and my life is in jeopardy.  farking PISS ON ME if you have to.  You have my full permission at that point to put out the fire in whatever manner is at your disposal.  Lets face it, if you are on FIRE, getting whacked over and over by a shovel that may or may not put out the fire is actually a improvement.  Were talking the only moment in reality where getting golden showered by a bunch a people who are putting your burning head out would actually elicit a probable "Thank You".
 
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