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2013-10-01 08:43:19 AM  
Yeah, that's "nerd rage"? Patrick McGoohan had to leave England and didn't return for twenty years because of the series finale of "The Prisoner..."
 
2013-10-01 09:02:56 AM  
I hope complaining Twitters are being to all the people involved in the last episodes for "St Elsewhere" and "Seinfeld".
 
2013-10-01 09:05:02 AM  
Like many, I didn't like the Lost ending, but that was three years ago -- let it go.
 
2013-10-01 09:28:15 AM  
OMG, people on Twitter didn;t like something that happened 3 years ago and decided to attack the person they hold responsible.  I am shocked by this new development.

Seriously, WTF?  While it was not perfect, I enjoyed the LOST finale much more than Sienfeld, St Elsewhere, NYPD Blue, and others.  My opinion on series finales is be happy you got one.  So many shows go off the air without a proper finale so when the writers are allowed to wrap up the show, the show THEY created, it is a bonus.  The producers are not beholden to anyone but themselves to wrap up a show the way they want.  We just happen to live in a culture now where the loudest people get the attention and twitter/facebook/etc has allowed those people to be even louder to more people.
 
2013-10-01 09:48:43 AM  
If the guy who wrote Lost gets this harassment, nobody involved with making Heroes should ever have a moment's rest again.
 
2013-10-01 10:11:47 AM  
But I *liked* the series finale of The Prisoner...
 
2013-10-01 10:21:56 AM  

jankyboy: Like many, I didn't like the Lost ending, but that was three years ago -- let it go.


Prometheus sucked ass as well. They really should hound him for that.
 
2013-10-01 10:25:29 AM  
I really really enjoyed the "Lost" finale.
 
2013-10-01 11:00:59 AM  
People really are too intense about endings, particularly involving expectations.

I like how lost ended.

I also liked my ending in Mass Effect 3.
 
2013-10-01 11:32:58 AM  
After Breaking Bad, there are a LOT of writers, not just Lindeloff, who should be embarrassed.

They were all shown to be hacks.
 
2013-10-01 11:35:18 AM  
Yes, the ending to Lost sucked, but it was still better than Vince Gilligan's ending to The X-Files.

/hopes for another movie where we learn the movie and final two seasons were all a dream while Mulder was locked in a hibernation coffin in Cancer Man's guest bedroom.
 
2013-10-01 11:45:06 AM  
Well deserved. Lindelof grifted us to make himself rich. I wouldn't hate him so much if he didn't outright lie. I remember around season 2 when he openly promised to the media that he had the entirety of Lost penciled in, and that every single mystery would follow logically from the purposeful actions of cast members. He promised that the story would unfold like a Rube Goldberg machine without any reliance on mysticism or hand waving. He made this promise dishonestly in order to trick people into continuing to watch the show so that he could make as much money as possible. To hell with that guy.
 
2013-10-01 11:46:17 AM  

hubcity: But I *liked* the series finale of The Prisoner...



As did I.

I really was feeling the Lost finale all the up until the church because I thought the alternate timeline was just that: an alternate timeline. And that they would all begin to remember each other but still go on living a 'normal' life off the island in this new timeline.

I don't know if that makes any more sense but it would have been more satisfying for me.
 
2013-10-01 11:50:17 AM  

jankyboy: Like many, I didn't like the Lost ending, but that was three years ago -- let it go.


Yeah, but Lindelof still continues to suck at what he does.
 
2013-10-01 11:56:52 AM  

hubcity: But I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! *liked* the series finale of The Prisoner...


/ftfy....
 
2013-10-01 12:10:41 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: hubcity: But I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! I! *liked* the series finale of The Prisoner...

/ftfy....


Whirrr...
 
2013-10-01 12:19:53 PM  
That read like a list of sad, lonely people.
 
2013-10-01 12:37:10 PM  
Which is kind of funny, since BB and Lost ended (as in the last scene) almost identically to one another.
 
2013-10-01 12:38:26 PM  
The Leftovers sounds like it could have been a great HBO show if Lindelof weren't attached to it.
 
2013-10-01 12:39:11 PM  

Tommy Moo: Well deserved. Lindelof grifted us to make himself rich. I wouldn't hate him so much if he didn't outright lie. I remember around season 2 when he openly promised to the media that he had the entirety of Lost penciled in, and that every single mystery would follow logically from the purposeful actions of cast members. He promised that the story would unfold like a Rube Goldberg machine without any reliance on mysticism or hand waving. He made this promise dishonestly in order to trick people into continuing to watch the show so that he could make as much money as possible. To hell with that guy.


Yes, Lindelof technically lied. And I was pretty disappointed with the ending, but in his defense, what was he supposed to do? Say to everyone "Welp, everything's been figured out by fans on the internet, and we really are making things up as we go now, but please, keep watching!"
 
2013-10-01 12:40:33 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Which is kind of funny, since BB and Lost ended (as in the last scene) almost identically to one another.


I forgot to add, right down to the location of Jack and Walt's respective wounds.
 
2013-10-01 12:49:20 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Which is kind of funny, since BB and Lost ended (as in the last scene) almost identically to one another.


Technically the final scene is lost is a zoom in on jack's closing eye. The final scene in Breaking Bad was a zoom out on a dead Walt in a meth lab. They are similar only in they both have a dead person since the context, symbolism and emotional response were different.
 
2013-10-01 01:01:06 PM  
Lindelof couldn't finish a Twinkie without farking it up.
 
2013-10-01 01:06:04 PM  
Huh.  Who would have thought that after spending dozens our hours involved with a storyline, scheduling one day a week to be able to watch your show, and having viewing parties on a weekly basis for your friends to come revel in the wonder that is the Lost story, you might be a bit upset when it ended the way it did?


Bizarre, right?
 
2013-10-01 01:11:21 PM  
It's been 3 years but I don't care. fark that Lost ending. Ruined the entire series, made repeat viewings pointless because in the end none of it mattered.
 
2013-10-01 01:27:22 PM  

keepitcherry: It's been 3 years but I don't care. fark that Lost ending. Ruined the entire series, made repeat viewings pointless because in the end none of it mattered.


How contrived was Christian Shepherd's "all of this mattered" line at the church?
 
2013-10-01 01:38:43 PM  

Karma Chameleon: keepitcherry: It's been 3 years but I don't care. fark that Lost ending. Ruined the entire series, made repeat viewings pointless because in the end none of it mattered.

How contrived was Christian Shepherd's "all of this mattered" line at the church?


Haha aw man! You're opening old wounds! I think when he uttered that very same line I threw my cell phone in disgust.
 
2013-10-01 01:41:24 PM  
Well to be honest, Lost started turning to shiat long before the finale.
 
2013-10-01 01:54:02 PM  
Very true. I think it started going downhill by Season 4 but I still stuck w/ it because they swore they had it all planned out. Sigh.
 
2013-10-01 02:12:33 PM  

keepitcherry: It's been 3 years but I don't care. fark that Lost ending. Ruined the entire series, made repeat viewings pointless because in the end none of it mattered.


The thing about the Lost ending is that is was the ending they planned from the beginning. They just spent most of the middle seasons attempting to convince everyone that it wasn't going to end like that. Victim of its own success.
 
2013-10-01 02:22:40 PM  
Wtf do you expect from a show that just threw as much random crap on an island as possible trying to boost ratings?

They painted themselves into an impossible corner to get out of.

Next time have a plot in mind and profit afterwards. Not the other way around.
 
2013-10-01 02:25:03 PM  

drewsclues: keepitcherry: It's been 3 years but I don't care. fark that Lost ending. Ruined the entire series, made repeat viewings pointless because in the end none of it mattered.

The thing about the Lost ending is that is was the ending they planned from the beginning. They just spent most of the middle seasons attempting to convince everyone that it wasn't going to end like that. Victim of its own success.


I remember the first time they showed that giant four toed statue. Or the first time they showed Jacob's cabin. I thought those two things were going to be awesome. They could have taken the show in so many directions that were cooler than they decided on - but ....NOPE!

I think the thing I hated most about the finale was how emotionally manipulative it was (or was trying to be). I've read it made some people cry. The cheesy ass music, everyone waiting for Jack in the church. BARF.  HATED it.
 
2013-10-01 02:25:23 PM  
I thought Seasons 4 and 5 of Lost were still good. I enjoyed seeing the flash forwards in Season 4 and the time travel in 5. Someone commented in a thread a few days ago that they like to think Lost ended at the end of 5 when Juliet detonates the nuke and draw your own conclusions from there. That works for me!
 
2013-10-01 02:27:00 PM  
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LEAVE LINDELOF ALONE!!!!!

(Naah, Fark him, JJ and Octopussy simultaneously with a starfish)
 
2013-10-01 02:30:38 PM  

Alphakronik: Huh.  Who would have thought that after spending dozens our hours involved with a storyline, scheduling one day a week to be able to watch your show, and having viewing parties on a weekly basis for your friends to come revel in the wonder that is the Lost story, you might be a bit upset when it ended the way it did?


Bizarre, right?



People that are still biatching about the Lost finale have no friends.
 
2013-10-01 02:39:21 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Tommy Moo: Well deserved. Lindelof grifted us to make himself rich. I wouldn't hate him so much if he didn't outright lie. I remember around season 2 when he openly promised to the media that he had the entirety of Lost penciled in, and that every single mystery would follow logically from the purposeful actions of cast members. He promised that the story would unfold like a Rube Goldberg machine without any reliance on mysticism or hand waving. He made this promise dishonestly in order to trick people into continuing to watch the show so that he could make as much money as possible. To hell with that guy.

Yes, Lindelof technically lied. And I was pretty disappointed with the ending, but in his defense, what was he supposed to do? Say to everyone "Welp, everything's been figured out by fans on the internet, and we really are making things up as we go now, but please, keep watching!"


Ah, so it was supposed to suck the whole time!

I forgot about Lost until I read this article.
 
2013-10-01 02:57:06 PM  
Reporting on what people say on twitter is like reporting on what kids are saying in high school cafeterias.
 
2013-10-01 03:19:35 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Karma Chameleon: Which is kind of funny, since BB and Lost ended (as in the last scene) almost identically to one another.

I forgot to add, right down to the location of Jack and Walt's respective wounds.


Yeah, but Locke/Smoley was a lot cooler and more evil than Todd/Meth Damon.
 
2013-10-01 05:34:16 PM  

lesliessexxy: I really really enjoyed the "Lost" finale.


I did, too. Ultimately, all the mysterious island stuff was better off just being mysterious island stuff, and it was more important to me to see the characters find some measure of happiness, even if it was in some strange afterlife scenario.

But I do have bones to pick with Lindeloff, who - unlike Vince Gilligan - brings something up with no intent on resolving it, or does so by posing an even bigger unresolved question. His plots don't make any damned sense, and it's as if he's just writing for the moment, ignoring what came before and worrying about where everything's going later (or never).

Breaking Bad wasn't a mystery. It was a specific character's story, told in a grounded way, and it deserved an ending that wrapped everything up logically (at least within the internal logic set up by the show).
 
2013-10-01 06:39:32 PM  

jankyboy: Like many, I didn't like the Lost ending, but that was three years ago -- let it go.


Yeah I didn't like it either but I don't dwell on it until someone writes an article like this. The problem with lost is that I believe people guessed right that it was a kind of purgatory mid way through the first season and they shiat a brick screaming no its not....

I really want a cloverfield sequel, it had potential.
 
2013-10-01 07:16:59 PM  
How could you not like the Lost finale?  I know I wanted everyone to be in heaven, but one buddy I was watching with wanted there to be a big hug party, and another thought there would be some explanation of any of the mysteries from the past five years without creating more mysteries.  Guess what?  We got a hug party in heaven!  2 out of 3 ain't bad.  I mean, the characters were hugging, and like, in heaven, and Jack cried again.  But he didn't really die, because he went to heaven, and could hug Kate and stuff.  How awesome was that.
 
2013-10-01 07:19:06 PM  
Full confession: I am one of those LOST nerds who spent hours after every episode online, dissecting each shot, spent more hours than I care to remember Googling stuff like comparative religion, Casimir Effect and so on and who, three years later still has nerd rage at how the whole sixth season played out.

As fans know, Lindelof and Cuse were brought in to run the show after JJ Abrams made it clear he wasn't going to be a showrunner for it. There's two things that fuel my nerd rage:

1. Lindelof and Cuse lied, they lied through their effing teeth. It seems pretty clear now that they got busted on their big "reveal" (that the Island was purgatory or some form of afterlife) fairly early on and they freaked out. Why not just say "Hahahaha, you fanboys/girls and the Internet, busted!" and go on with that guiding idea? Instead, they jerked the story around so that by the sixth season they were flat-out doing stuff that contradicted what had happened in the first three seasons. They had great explanations in place for stuff like the numbers: the Valenzetti Equation and Magnus Hanso and the DeGroots and we get.....a wheel that randomly picks out people? Um....no. The less said about Jack putting his big penis in a vagina, erm, putting that big rock in a hole to stop the Island from sinking, the better.

2. The way they treated characters. Lindelof has said that his favorite was Jack (scheduled to die in the pilot originally) because he was everything a short, balding, Jewish guy from Teaneck wasn't. So, we get story after story about flat-out the most boring character of the original cast and a glow of white light in a church filled with people who hated Jack in "real life" to cap it off. Locke? Murdered and his body taken over, the final chapter of a sad demise. Ben? Reduced to doing cringe-inducing wuvy-duvy scenes with the sideways Danielle. Waaaaaallllllltttttt? Sorry dude, you went through puberty, we didn't make any plans for that, we're just going to have you end as another plot line never resolved. Michael? WAAAAAAALLLLLLTTTTTT! Desmond? Ends up helping Kate, who he never really gave two seconds of thought about during the run of the show.

Oh well. At least the blast door map explained why there were polar bears on a tropical island.

/Mmmmm....nerd rage......mmmmmmmm
 
2013-10-01 08:39:46 PM  
With Lost the thing that gets me mad is even the so called 'cool' stuff, like the episode about Locke in the wheelchair, ultimately means nothing.

That he was couldn't walk but the island gave him use of his legs again, only means something if we know eventually why and how the island can do that.  Of course, since the island remains a mystery then we get no reason for it, so who cares at that point?  It becomes a random you can't walk, oh wait now you can script requirement.
 
2013-10-01 10:04:13 PM  
Anybody who honestly thought Lost would ever be able to satisfactorily tie up all its loose ends as of the end of the second season deserves what they got.
 
2013-10-01 10:07:04 PM  
I never got into Lost (worked nights at the time) but the other day was talking to a friend who was getting into Battlestar Gallactica on Netflix.  I told him to just stop after the New Caprica rescue because it got stupid and the ending was the worst I've ever seen for a TV show.  For that matter, most all of what happened on New Caprica was stupid too but worth it for the rescue scene.  My advice to him was watch that rescue episode, say out loud "wow, that's such a great show and an amazing battle sequence, it's too bad they didn't make any more episodes" because it just destroyed any interest I had in rewatching any of it.
 
2013-10-01 11:58:24 PM  

steamingpile: jankyboy: Like many, I didn't like the Lost ending, but that was three years ago -- let it go.

Yeah I didn't like it either but I don't dwell on it until someone writes an article like this. The problem with lost is that I believe people guessed right that it was a kind of purgatory mid way through the first season and they shiat a brick screaming no its not....

I really want a cloverfield sequel, it had potential.



That's why I stopped watching during the second season. You knew something was up strictly by the facts that the fat guy never lost any weight and Matthew Fox's hair never grew past a crew cut.
 
2013-10-01 11:59:57 PM  

optional: Anybody who honestly thought Lost would ever be able to satisfactorily tie up all its loose ends as of the end of the second season deserves what they got.


Nah just better than what was given, all loose ends dont have to be tied up but close at least one please.
 
2013-10-02 12:01:15 AM  

stoli n coke: That's why I stopped watching during the second season. You knew something was up strictly by the facts that the fat guy never lost any weight and Matthew Fox's hair never grew past a crew cut.


LOL usually I hate shows for shiat like that but honestly I never thought about it until now, sure they could cut hair probably but fattie should have lost at least a few pounds.
 
2013-10-02 12:16:47 AM  
Here's my experience with LOST.

Lost Season One: "Hey, look here.  We got a mysterious island, lots of compelling characters with rich pasts, and some sort of crazy mystery.  Dead people appear, there are magic numbers, haunting voices, weird ancient radio transmissions, and a group of feral demon-people in the woods who know some kind of secret.  What the hell is really going on here?  You wanna know?"

Me: "Yes!  This is good, tell me more."

Lost Season Two: "Well, apparently, it's all about this... like, this cool old New-Agey science expedition from the '70s called the Dharma Initiative.  They built all these cool retro bunkers with mystical symbols, there's a clicky timer of doom, pneumatic tubes to deliver messages -- ain't that stuff so cool?  What was the Dharma Initiative doing?  What did they discover?"

Me: "Gosh!  I don't know, but this is enthralling.  So about this Alvar Hanso guy who founded Dharma...."

Lost Season Three: "Huh?  Oh, never mind him for now.  You know those feral Other people?  Turns out they have a modern village, and are led by this brilliant, awesome, insane, charismatic madman named Ben Linus.  BEN LINUS, people, he's the mastermind here.  He's the total mastermind, nobody can fark with Ben, he has all these plans, it's crazy..."

Me: "Oh, cool, he's a great villain, so what is Ben going to..."

Lost Season Four: "Actually forget all that.  Ben... eh, he was really just this creepy usurper guy.  No, the person who really knows what's going on here is Charles Widmore.  CHARLES WIDMORE and his wife, they are the ones behind everything, they know it all.  Ben is going to go to war with Widmore, and it will be so farking epic you will not be able to believe it!

Me: "Hot damn!  I can't wait to see how that plays out!

Lost Season Five: "Huh?  Sorry, i'm... i'm drunk.  Ben and who now?  I'm past all that, i have all these new ideas!  So... like... okay, Locke is dead.  Ben kills Widmore's guys, i guess.  And the losties are traveling through time... hey, you wanna go back in time to the '70s and see Dharma in its prime?  Yeah!  Look, Ben's a little kid, and... the whole thing with the clicky timer... of doom... it like.... it releases energy.  Which is bad i guess.  Remember when i said Locke was dead?  Nah, he's alive, there he is... and he's going back in time... atomic bomb... uhh, Richard Alpert visits him as a kid.... what does it all mean...."

Me: "....yikes.  So now what?

Lost Season Six: "Hey, what if there was an alternate timeline where the plane never crashed?  Yeah, look how boring there lives are over there!  But it's all strange somehow, what's going on?  Well, i will tell you!  Here are all the secrets you've waited years to hear!  Umm... Locke is really the Smoke Monster, the Smoke Monster is the bad guy, Jacob's the good guy, they fight over the Island because..... MAGIC LIGHT.  And you know what else?  PSYCH!!!  It wasn't an alternate timeline at all, it was... THE AFTERLIFE.  Oh, the all died at some point, but they reunite in heaven, isn't that sweet?  Ah, what a ride.  And those Voices on the Island?  They were the voices of dead people.  Yes.  Sorry if i just blew your mind."

Me: "Oh, fark you.  I'm watching Breaking Bad."

And fark Lindelof.
 
2013-10-02 01:37:33 AM  

Henry Holland: Full confession: I am one of those LOST nerds who spent hours after every episode online, dissecting each shot, spent more hours than I care to remember Googling stuff like comparative religion, Casimir Effect and so on and who, three years later still has nerd rage at how the whole sixth season played out.

As fans know, Lindelof and Cuse were brought in to run the show after JJ Abrams made it clear he wasn't going to be a showrunner for it. There's two things that fuel my nerd rage:

1. Lindelof and Cuse lied, they lied through their effing teeth. It seems pretty clear now that they got busted on their big "reveal" (that the Island was purgatory or some form of afterlife) fairly early on and they freaked out. Why not just say "Hahahaha, you fanboys/girls and the Internet, busted!" and go on with that guiding idea? Instead, they jerked the story around so that by the sixth season they were flat-out doing stuff that contradicted what had happened in the first three seasons. They had great explanations in place for stuff like the numbers: the Valenzetti Equation and Magnus Hanso and the DeGroots and we get.....a wheel that randomly picks out people? Um....no. The less said about Jack putting his big penis in a vagina, erm, putting that big rock in a hole to stop the Island from sinking, the better.

2. The way they treated characters. Lindelof has said that his favorite was Jack (scheduled to die in the pilot originally) because he was everything a short, balding, Jewish guy from Teaneck wasn't. So, we get story after story about flat-out the most boring character of the original cast and a glow of white light in a church filled with people who hated Jack in "real life" to cap it off. Locke? Murdered and his body taken over, the final chapter of a sad demise. Ben? Reduced to doing cringe-inducing wuvy-duvy scenes with the sideways Danielle. Waaaaaallllllltttttt? Sorry dude, you went through puberty, we didn't make any plans for that, we're just going to ...


I understand why people dislike the Lost ending.  I'm not one of them, but I get it.  I understand why you were disappointed.  You have great points, and objectively, if I did not have previous experience with the show and its ending, I could see myself agreeing with you.  I myself did not care if everything got thoroughly explained so long as they told me a story that engaged me, and it did.  But when I see the links to where definite resolutions were promised for every mystery, I understand why people feel cheated, because they clearly weren't.

But that highlighted text up there?  That has no place in your argument about why it sucked, because that wasn't the story that they told.  The island was not purgatory, it was a weird ass place with semi-science magicky shiat happening on it.  Purgatory was the sideways flashes where everyone worked out their drama (Jack as father, Sawyer as lawman, Ben as someone that protected his daughter).  The show explicitly states that the island was a part of their actual lives, NOT the afterlife.  At no point did the early theories of "the island is hell/purgatory/the afterlife" come true.

The overall message is this:  you have seriously good points, one that even someone that enjoyed themselves with the show and its ending can appreciate as legitimate.  Please don't dilute your argument with that one that isn't even valid.

I had a similar talk with my sister-in-law when she insisted that Americans in favor of gun control should outlaw hammers and cars, too.  'Seriously,' I told her, 'you're just making it really easy to ignore your good points when you use that argument.'
 
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