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(Yahoo)   Researcher's thesis proposes that mankind evolved elsewhere and was transported to Earth (as fully evolved Homo sapiens) between 60,000 and 200,000 years ago. Farker's theory is this guy watched too much BSG   (ca.news.yahoo.com) divider line 122
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2013-09-30 10:56:00 PM  
So say we all.
 
2013-09-30 11:09:52 PM  
Prove it didn't happen.
 
2013-09-30 11:10:38 PM  
"Silver chose not to publish in a scientific imprint..."

Right. HE chose not to.
 
2013-09-30 11:13:48 PM  
Lemme guess... the spaceships look kind of like DC-8s?
 
2013-09-30 11:16:18 PM  
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-09-30 11:26:03 PM  
Life here began out there.  These are the first words of the sacred scrolls.
 
2013-09-30 11:31:51 PM  
Whoa... an insta-green.
 
2013-09-30 11:35:24 PM  
That's not really a theory so much as it is a.. claim,  I guess.

Silver chose not to publish in a scientific imprint

You don't say.
 
2013-09-30 11:43:19 PM  
www.technovelgy.com
 
2013-09-30 11:49:03 PM  
www.coverbrowser.com

Let's just pray that Brennan and the other human Protectors can keep the Pak from dropping the Tree of Life into Africa and the Amazon and organizing the gorilla and monkey Protectors...
 
2013-09-30 11:58:02 PM  

hubiestubert: Let's just pray that Brennan and the other human Protectors can keep the Pak from dropping the Tree of Life into Africa and the Amazon and organizing the gorilla and monkey Protectors...


This means there's a Ringworld out there somewhere waiting for some lucky gal to find it.
 
2013-10-01 12:05:17 AM  
I've heard this theory before...
http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Solomani
 
2013-10-01 12:10:48 AM  

MrBallou: hubiestubert: Let's just pray that Brennan and the other human Protectors can keep the Pak from dropping the Tree of Life into Africa and the Amazon and organizing the gorilla and monkey Protectors...

This means there's a Ringworld out there somewhere waiting for some lucky gal to find it.


...and a Tunesmith ready to whisk it the f*ck away...
 
2013-10-01 12:15:11 AM  
I'mNotSayingItWasAliens.jpg
 
2013-10-01 12:15:47 AM  
I was a researcher...but then I got high.
 
2013-10-01 12:18:27 AM  
Human beings came from another planet, not Earth, newlots of old books claims

Not a novel concept; still just as stupid.
 
2013-10-01 12:19:03 AM  
Well, crap. I forgot to strike the final "s".
 
2013-10-01 12:29:38 AM  
www.trilobite.org
 
2013-10-01 12:31:38 AM  

IronTom: Prove it didn't happen.


Genetic evidence extremely strongly supports (probabilistically proves) that it didn't happen. Unless you are going for it being a wild coincidence that not only do we share the same biochemistry and genetic code as all other life on earth, but our genes are ~99% the same as our closest relatives the chimpanzees, with whom we share a common ancestor about ~5-6 million years ago (based on both molecular clock data from our genetics and the fossil record). Our genetics give us a rather clear position in the "tree of life" on Earth, and the best supported explanation is that we along with all other known extant life on Earth evolved from a single common ancestor ~3.8 billion years ago.

Any hypothesis, suggestion, or idea-pulled-out-of-ass otherwise needs to not only have supporting evidence of itself but explain all of that genetic evidence as well.
 
2013-10-01 12:31:59 AM  

FunkOut: I was a researcher...but then I got high.


I had a government grant, but then I got high.
 
2013-10-01 12:36:40 AM  

mamoru: IronTom: Prove it didn't happen.

Genetic evidence extremely strongly supports (probabilistically proves) that it didn't happen. Unless you are going for it being a wild coincidence that not only do we share the same biochemistry and genetic code as all other life on earth, but our genes are ~99% the same as our closest relatives the chimpanzees, with whom we share a common ancestor about ~5-6 million years ago (based on both molecular clock data from our genetics and the fossil record). Our genetics give us a rather clear position in the "tree of life" on Earth, and the best supported explanation is that we along with all other known extant life on Earth evolved from a single common ancestor ~3.8 billion years ago.

Any hypothesis, suggestion, or idea-pulled-out-of-ass otherwise needs to not only have supporting evidence of itself but explain all of that genetic evidence as well.


At least Niven proposed that ALL primates came from mutated Pak stock, and that life on Earth, and across a fair amount of the galaxy came from food yeasts seeded to create edibles for the Slavers, and then when the Slavers killed all sentient life that they could think at, those planets all did their evolutionary mambo from a common point of reference. Of course, when the Slavers come out of their stasis, EVERY species they find smells delicious...
 
2013-10-01 12:45:47 AM  
Approves.

Seriously though, this guy either watched too much BSG or SG-1 or read too much Niven or various other sci-fi authors.
 
2013-10-01 12:48:52 AM  
"Plus there's a prevailing feeling among many people that they don't belong here or that something "just isn't right". - Ellis Silver

He has issues.
 
2013-10-01 12:49:10 AM  
It's an interesting idea, but mostly just as a thought experiment.  I'm pretty sure we're home grown.

/believe in alien life out there
//seen a lot of UFOs, only suspect one
 
2013-10-01 12:50:29 AM  
FTFA:  "Lizards can sunbathe for as long as they like - and many of them do. We can just about get away with it for a week or two. But day after day in the sun? Forget it. You might as well just lie down on the freeway and wait for a bus to hit you." We are dazzled by the sun, which is also odd, says Silver - most animals are not.

Yeh... I think you've been spending a little too long in the sun, yourself...
 
2013-10-01 12:52:21 AM  
Researcher's thesis proposes funyons are better for munchies than doritos.
 
2013-10-01 12:53:29 AM  

Shadowtag: Researcher's thesis proposes funyons are better for munchies than doritos.


Madness.

Is there Mt. Dew?
 
2013-10-01 12:53:50 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Approves.

Seriously though, this guy either watched too much BSG or SG-1 or read too much Niven or various other sci-fi authors.


Dammit Fark, stop throwing away my images.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

images.buddytv.com
 
2013-10-01 01:00:07 AM  
Oh, gods, where to begin (other than maybe throwing out the "If he didn't rip it off of BSG, Traveller, or the Known Space Verse he ripped it right the fark off an Iced Earth concept album or two")...

OK, nutter claims that "oh gods, we have to be the product of ANCIENT ALIENS because we get bedazzled by the sun!"  And claims other critters don't get bedazzled by light (which is pure BS, as anyone familiar with the concept of the Unsportsmanlike Conduct of Spotlight Hunting Deer could tell you).  We DID pretty much go from the forests into the savannahs fairly recently, and into arctic regions and deserts in what is essentially the geological equivalent of a sneeze ago...evolution only works so quickly.

Nutter claims "Oh gods, we have to be the product of ANCIENT ALIENS because our backs get sore!"  Completely discounting, oh, the small complication that we're one of the few species that have adapted this upright of a posture for walking thanks to the fact evolution had to work with a great-ape platform not unlike that of a bonobo to begin with.  (We know now with Ardipithecus that upright posture came first, foot modifications came later; if anything, chimpanzees have become more specialised for living in the trees than Ardi, and the feet finally came in line with the rest of the body around 3 million years BCE or so with proper australopithecines.)  Again, this major of a change in body structure takes a while for everything to catch up with evolutionarily (and it can be argued that the human upright posture is a prime example of evolutionary jerry-rigging--dinosaurs have a two-legged posture, but aside from penguins and a few extinct penguin-analogues they tend to balance their two legs on a horizontal spine).

Nutter claims "Oh gods, we have to be the product of ANCIENT ALIENS because babby's head is big enough to cause issues in childbirth!"  No matter that this is the direct result of modern Homo neoteny (basically, the faces of grown-up modern humans and skull proportions are not unlike those of baby non-human apes).  Also not mentioned is the fact that a fairly recent hominin (Neandertals) had similar size of a skull, more "usual" hominin proportions in the face, and there is evidence that Neandertals had the same issues in birthin' babies as us modern humans...which, AGAIN, is less of a sign of ANCIENT ALIENS and far more of a sign that Evolution Is Still Catching Up With The Brains Of Hominins Growing Pretty Fast.

Nutter claims "We have to be the product of ANCIENT ALIENS" because we have genes that don't exist in other animals!"  Yes, and cats have genes that don't exist in humans (for instance, there is no human equivalent of the agouti colouring gene in many clades of animals, we don't have sex-linked hair colour genes like cats do, we don't have six separate and distinct genes coding for various kinds of curly hair that are equivalents to rexing genes in cats, and so on).  Big farking deal.  We DO know that at least some of those "weird genes" are the result of genetic reshuffling (when the human genome got down to 46 chromosomes as opposed to the 48 in the chimp/bonobo clade), we also have a few genes that we've identified in close (and now dead) relatives like Neandertals (one of the human-unique genes, FOXP (directly linked to linguistics and language ability), has recently been found in Neandertals too) and are probably the result of beneficial mutations...you know, the same sorts of mutations that let us stand upright and use tools and live indoors and stuff.

Nutter even claims "We have to be descended from ANCIENT ALIENS because there's no clear missing link!"  (Yes, Nutter Drug Out A Piece Of Young-Earth Creationist Derp.)  Last I checked, hominins actually have a fairly traceable heritage from the time of the Ardi/chimp split to nowadays (it's actually the stuff before Ardi that we've had more problems getting fossils of; dead critters in tropical rainforests don't fossilise too well, whilst savannahs and deserts and arctic areas do provide better conditions to preserve something dead); we can now trace from Ardi to australopithecines (which had a fork with the gracile australopithecines leading to Homo and robust australopithecines taking up a gorilla-esque "Could pass pretty damn well for Sasquatch" lifestyle) to early Homo (which turns out to be a hell of a lot more diverse than we realised) to the "Neandertal/modern humans/Denisovan clade" (yes, both us AND two "sister species" seem to have arisen from the same ancestors) and the "Flores Island Hobbit" ending up as a dwarfed early Homo species that could have lived just long enough in the memories of modern humans to be remembered as the orang-pendek).  Saying there are no transitional hominin species is about as recockulous as saying there are no transitional equine species (we have a shiatload to the point that it's one of the better documented evolutionary series) or there are no transitional species between early birds and theropod dinosaurs (also bogus, we have a BEAUTIFUL series stretching from early dromaeosaurs to near-modern birds and a whole lot of birdy stuff in between that has largely been discovered in the past twenty to thirty years, and a lot of it just in the past fifteen...some of which has made the line very, very blurry in some cases between "dromie protobird" and "proper avialan dinosaur").

Seriously, this could actually cause paleontologists and anthropologists to facepalm SO very hard that they manage to knock themselves fullscale into another universe (and thus accidentally prove manyworlds theory as valid) where the founding stock of the Intelligent Tool-Using Primates were capuchin monkeys instead of hominin apes.
 
2013-10-01 01:03:36 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: Oh, gods, where to begin (other than maybe throwing out the "If he didn't rip it off of BSG, Traveller, or the Known Space Verse he ripped it right the fark off an Iced Earth concept album or two")...

OK, nutter claims that "oh gods, we have to be the product of ANCIENT ALIENS because we get bedazzled by the sun!"  And claims other critters don't get bedazzled by light (which is pure BS, as anyone familiar with the concept of the Unsportsmanlike Conduct of Spotlight Hunting Deer could tell you).  We DID pretty much go from the forests into the savannahs fairly recently, and into arctic regions and deserts in what is essentially the geological equivalent of a sneeze ago...evolution only works so quickly.

Nutter claims "Oh gods, we have to be the product of ANCIENT ALIENS because our backs get sore!"  Completely discounting, oh, the small complication that we're one of the few species that have adapted this upright of a posture for walking thanks to the fact evolution had to work with a great-ape platform not unlike that of a bonobo to begin with.  (We know now with Ardipithecus that upright posture came first, foot modifications came later; if anything, chimpanzees have become more specialised for living in the trees than Ardi, and the feet finally came in line with the rest of the body around 3 million years BCE or so with proper australopithecines.)  Again, this major of a change in body structure takes a while for everything to catch up with evolutionarily (and it can be argued that the human upright posture is a prime example of evolutionary jerry-rigging--dinosaurs have a two-legged posture, but aside from penguins and a few extinct penguin-analogues they tend to balance their two legs on a horizontal spine).

Nutter claims "Oh gods, we have to be the product of ANCIENT ALIENS because babby's head is big enough to cause issues in childbirth!"  No matter that this is the direct result of modern Homo neoteny (basically, the faces of grown-up modern humans and sk ...


tl;dr
 
2013-10-01 01:10:32 AM  
Perhaps we shall Inherit the Stars.
 
2013-10-01 01:18:35 AM  
Look, the problem is that when evolution is taught, it's over-simplified. When teachers talk about evolution, it's always "survival of the fittest", the short necked giraffes die out because they can't reach the food, while the long need ones survive and pass that gene on to their young.

The problem is that humans jumped off of the evolution train when they started making language, sharing language, developed writing, harnessed fire, developed tools, wore clothes, built shelters, developed eye glasses, hearing aids, built cars and ships and planes.

Qe stepped aside from evolution and allowed our "weak" members to be safe and to get nurturing when they needed it most to learn and develop while not having to worry about being eaten like a lion. Yeah we have congenital defects that might not make sense, but we've spent millenia finding ways to Beattie system. As a result, "aberrations" show up in our species that wouldn't survive elsewhere.

We don't have chronic bad backs because we got transferred here from Mars, we have them because we don't take care of ourselves.
 
2013-10-01 01:21:39 AM  

hubiestubert: and then when the Slavers killed all sentient life that they could think at


I thought the slaves did that, not the slaves.  And they could do it because the slavers had a limit on how many sentients they could control at one time.  It's been years since I read those stories, so I could be wrong.
 
2013-10-01 01:25:17 AM  
Sick at home and medicated all weekend and today burned through a whole lot of ancient aliens episodes in the right state of mind they make amazing arguments then the drugs wear off
 
2013-10-01 01:26:19 AM  

Mikey1969: Look, the problem is that when evolution is taught, it's over-simplified. When teachers talk about evolution, it's always "survival of the fittest", the short necked giraffes die out because they can't reach the food, while the long need ones survive and pass that gene on to their young.

The problem is that humans jumped off of the evolution train when they started making language, sharing language, developed writing, harnessed fire, developed tools, wore clothes, built shelters, developed eye glasses, hearing aids, built cars and ships and planes.

Qe stepped aside from evolution and allowed our "weak" members to be safe and to get nurturing when they needed it most to learn and develop while not having to worry about being eaten like a lion. Yeah we have congenital defects that might not make sense, but we've spent millenia finding ways to Beattie system. As a result, "aberrations" show up in our species that wouldn't survive elsewhere.

We don't have chronic bad backs because we got transferred here from Mars, we have them because we don't take care of ourselves.


The "survival of the fittest" phrase doesn't even match the actual mathematical theory.  It is more "survival of the fit enough".
 
2013-10-01 01:28:05 AM  
Question: Back to you and our own history. You've mentioned the race of the "Illojim" who have created our human race. From where did they come and how did they look like? What had exactly happened when they arrived? Are they our "God"?

Answer: The "Illojim" came from this universe, from the solar system you call "Aldebaran" in your maps. They were a very tall humanoid species with usually blonde hairs and a very white skin (they avoided the sunlight, because it hurt their skin and their eyes. This was absolutely unbelievable for a sun-loving species like us). They seemed to be intelligent and peaceful at the beginning and we started a more or less friendly communication with them, but later they showed their real intentions and plans: they wanted to evolve the apes to a new breed and we were a disturbing factor for them on their new zoo planet.
 
2013-10-01 01:29:06 AM  
I think an alien farked a monkey.
 
2013-10-01 01:32:24 AM  
files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2013-10-01 01:43:30 AM  

hubiestubert: Let's just pray that Brennan and the other human Protectors can keep the Pak from dropping the Tree of Life into Africa and the Amazon and organizing the gorilla and monkey Protectors...


We don't have enough thallium oxide on Earth. Tree of life wouldn't take root.
 
2013-10-01 01:44:38 AM  
Begin the search for the Ark ship B
 
2013-10-01 01:47:16 AM  
The worst thing about this is that the guy already has his doctorate (TFA calls him "Dr." Ellis Silver). I'd like to know where from....
 
2013-10-01 01:49:47 AM  

ornithopter: The worst thing about this is that the guy already has his doctorate


If you're here to claim that people with PHDs are all sane and sciency, um...
 
2013-10-01 01:51:21 AM  

mamoru: IronTom: Prove it didn't happen.

Genetic evidence extremely strongly supports (probabilistically proves) that it didn't happen. Unless you are going for it being a wild coincidence that not only do we share the same biochemistry and genetic code as all other life on earth, but our genes are ~99% the same as our closest relatives the chimpanzees, with whom we share a common ancestor about ~5-6 million years ago (based on both molecular clock data from our genetics and the fossil record). Our genetics give us a rather clear position in the "tree of life" on Earth, and the best supported explanation is that we along with all other known extant life on Earth evolved from a single common ancestor ~3.8 billion years ago.

Any hypothesis, suggestion, or idea-pulled-out-of-ass otherwise needs to not only have supporting evidence of itself but explain all of that genetic evidence as well.


This is just essentially the ass end of creation science.
 
2013-10-01 01:52:54 AM  
Yawn. This crap's been done before...

www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com

All this modern conspiracy theory/ancient alien crap can be traced to this:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-01 01:52:59 AM  

ornithopter: The worst thing about this is that the guy already has his doctorate (TFA calls him "Dr." Ellis Silver). I'd like to know where from.


Because scientific professionals should only produce theories which fit nicely with your world view.
 
2013-10-01 02:00:51 AM  
like this isn't anything that Erich von Daniken or Zecharia Sitchen or Neil Freer or Alan F. Alford or the Raelians or that crazy greek hairdo guy on the History channel or anyone else who subscribes to the Ancient Astronaut theory hasn't bamboozled their way to cheap press and profit over the past 50 years...
 
2013-10-01 02:02:07 AM  

Rob3Fan: hubiestubert: Let's just pray that Brennan and the other human Protectors can keep the Pak from dropping the Tree of Life into Africa and the Amazon and organizing the gorilla and monkey Protectors...

We don't have enough thallium oxide on Earth. Tree of life wouldn't take root.


Which is why Phssthpok was working on a decent supply to supplement. Mind you, I've been in a recockulous Known Space jag for the last few months. The human Protectors that got spawned in the Man-Kzin Wars series were a HUGE amount of fun. Of all the aliens in Known Space, I think I like the human Protectors the most. Huge, God-like intellect, and a perverse sense of humor, and absolutely no mercy for anything remotely looking like Pak near Known Space.
 
2013-10-01 02:05:01 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: ornithopter: The worst thing about this is that the guy already has his doctorate (TFA calls him "Dr." Ellis Silver). I'd like to know where from.

Because scientific professionals should only produce theories which fit nicely with your world view.


No, but they should only produce theories which have anything to do with the actual facts. There's pretty good evidence for humans being related to other earth species - like, you know, sharing 99% of our DNA with other primates. And NONE for extraterrestrials.

That's is only "science" by the standards of the History/Discovery/etc channels.

/look, over there! it's Bigfoot, a mermaid, and an alien having an Illuminati meeting!
 
2013-10-01 02:07:45 AM  

ex0du5: The "survival of the fittest" phrase doesn't even match the actual mathematical theory. It is more "survival of the fit enough".


And that doesn't even describe evolution properly. Most life exists in harmonic symbiotic and parasitic relationships. Competition is largely a waste of energy compared to adaptations that are beneficial to other species. So it's not even "survival of the fittest", it's "survival of the most cooperative".
 
2013-10-01 02:10:01 AM  

ornithopter: The worst thing about this is that the guy already has his doctorate (TFA calls him "Dr." Ellis Silver). I'd like to know where from....


The Doctorate could be in anything not necessarily Bio-Chemistry or any science. Each one of the arguments lists can be easily explained, I'd like to see the list of unique genes then plot that number of unique genes among a wide range of species, would be willing to put money on the fact most species have a number of unique genes and that the amount humans have wouldn't stand out. Of course those 233 genes could be a result of our toaster great^n grandmother.
 
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