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(Salon)   Pornstars who seek jobs in the real world are being fired because of their past, and there's no legal recourse for them to get their jobs back. That's right: we're in the age of porn discrimination   (salon.com) divider line 246
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2013-09-30 07:57:54 PM
At a very basic level, I don't think I understand the problem with hiring former porn performers for non-porn jobs.  The vast majority of people you work with have had sex, and have sex on a regular basis.  A sizable percentage likely have pics or video of them naked or having sex, thanks to the easy availability of digital cameras.  The only real difference is porn performers got paid for the sex they had, and a bunch of people got off watching it.

Who gives a shiat?  If you're my accountant, I care if you can or cannot properly do my taxes, not whether you did or did not do bukkake scenes two years ago. Or two weeks ago.  Or two hours ago.  Provided you washed your hands before I stopped by the office.
 
2013-09-30 08:41:22 PM
We need an entrepenuer to step up and require at least one pornographic appearance from all employees prior to hiring.
 
2013-09-30 08:54:30 PM

RodneyToady: At a very basic level, I don't think I understand the problem with hiring former porn performers for non-porn jobs.  The vast majority of people you work with have had sex, and have sex on a regular basis.  A sizable percentage likely have pics or video of them naked or having sex, thanks to the easy availability of digital cameras.  The only real difference is porn performers got paid for the sex they had, and a bunch of people got off watching it.

Who gives a shiat?  If you're my accountant, I care if you can or cannot properly do my taxes, not whether you did or did not do bukkake scenes two years ago. Or two weeks ago.  Or two hours ago.  Provided you washed your hands before I stopped by the office.


I could see it becoming a harassment problem when other employees find the video.  Of course that's a case of them being the ones who should get fired, but it's probably easier to just fire one person than several.

/ Also, you should probably wash off more than your hands after that.
 
2013-09-30 09:13:09 PM

serial_crusher: it's probably easier to just fire one person than several.


Saudi Arabia has the same idea when it comes to rape.
 
2013-09-30 09:21:47 PM
Reminds me of a quote from (I think) Traci Lords when she was trying to make it in legitimate movies:

"I will always be 'former porn star Traci Lords,' but Disney's top star Tim Allen will never be 'former cocaine smuggler Tim Allen.'"
 
2013-09-30 09:29:17 PM

RodneyToady: At a very basic level, I don't think I understand the problem with hiring former porn performers for non-porn jobs.  The vast majority of people you work with have had sex, and have sex on a regular basis.  A sizable percentage likely have pics or video of them naked or having sex, thanks to the easy availability of digital cameras.  The only real difference is porn performers got paid for the sex they had, and a bunch of people got off watching it.

Who gives a shiat?  If you're my accountant, I care if you can or cannot properly do my taxes, not whether you did or did not do bukkake scenes two years ago. Or two weeks ago.  Or two hours ago.  Provided you washed your hands before I stopped by the office.


Agreed for the most part, but there are certain professions where one's readily-viewed tawdry past is harmful to professionalism. Teaching is one of those fields
 
2013-09-30 09:34:55 PM
It's sex. Americans try to make that a forever crime.
 
2013-09-30 09:35:33 PM

ArkAngel: there are certain professions where one's readily-viewed tawdry past is harmful to professionalism. Teaching is one of those fields


A good teacher can get past this. If the employer will let him or her.
 
2013-09-30 09:40:43 PM

Somacandra: ArkAngel: there are certain professions where one's readily-viewed tawdry past is harmful to professionalism. Teaching is one of those fields

A good teacher can get past this. If the employer parents will let him or her.


Parents can be more brutal than kids.......
 
2013-09-30 09:44:32 PM
There's a whole lot of pent up frustrated people in HR.
 
2013-09-30 10:01:16 PM

Sgt Otter: Reminds me of a quote from (I think) Traci Lords when she was trying to make it in legitimate movies:

"I will always be 'former porn star Traci Lords,' but Disney's top star Tim Allen will never be 'former cocaine smuggler Tim Allen.'"


Seriously. It seems like rapists and murderers have an easier time in the job market.
 
2013-09-30 10:05:23 PM

Somacandra: A good teacher can get past this


HAHAHA, no.

If you've done porn, you're not gonna be a grade school teacher. EVER.
 
2013-09-30 10:08:49 PM
Most of us probably work with someone who is on a porn site. I mean, thousands of girls, some doing porn only once or twice, ten what? They go get a real job.
 
2013-09-30 10:09:44 PM

doglover: Somacandra: A good teacher can get past this

HAHAHA, no.

If you've done porn, you're not gonna be a grade school teacher. EVER.


I think 30 years ago one could pull it off.

These days, with the internet? Not a f*cking chance.
 
2013-09-30 10:09:55 PM
Reported by EJ Dickson.

Really, editor who assigns these things?
 
2013-09-30 10:10:09 PM
So now they're farked??
 
2013-09-30 10:10:15 PM
Isn't the way it usually happens is that you try a straight job first... then resort to a career in porn?
 
2013-09-30 10:11:49 PM

doglover: serial_crusher: it's probably easier to just fire one person than several.

Saudi Arabia has the same idea when it comes to rape.


oh, right, because firing someone for appearing in a porno is exactly the same thing as firing someone because they got raped.
 
2013-09-30 10:12:19 PM
Some turn to teaching:

blogs.laweekly.com
 
2013-09-30 10:14:47 PM
No freedom until we are all free. I would welcome having porn talent as my secretary.
 
2013-09-30 10:16:30 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Most of us probably work with someone who is on a porn site. I mean, thousands of girls, some doing porn only once or twice, ten what? They go get a real job.


I'd guess your numbers are way off.
 
2013-09-30 10:16:40 PM

doglover: HAHAHA, no.

If you've done porn, you're not gonna be a grade school teacher once somebody realizes. EVER.


FTFY.
 
2013-09-30 10:17:24 PM

T-Boy: No freedom until we are all free. I would welcome having porn talent as my secretary.


How about as your boss?

/no, not for that fantasy
 
2013-09-30 10:18:00 PM

bigdanc: oh, right, because firing someone for appearing in a porno is exactly the same thing as firing someone because they got raped.


Because nobody in a porno has ever been raped.
 
2013-09-30 10:18:32 PM
As much as I love porn I really have no problem with this.  Firing employees for what they do in their personal life is nothing new.  And in some situations their personal life can affect their job or even the workplace environment.  It would be great if this was not the case, but this is the world we live in.
 
2013-09-30 10:18:56 PM
There was a story out of New Jersey a few years ago about an ex-Porn Star who wanted to stop doing porn, and wanted to help people. So she moved across the country, got her EMT-Basic, and joined a volunteer rescue squad. One of the members recognized her, and she was booted off the squad for being "immoral".

Made national news in my profession. Several other squads offered to hire her for pay.
 
2013-09-30 10:19:26 PM
So imagine you're the manager of the company or the department head that has to sign off on her credential. That's *your signature* they'll pull later if there's any question regarding her (or his, to be fair) drug use, or erratic work performance, or anything that may happen later on .. your signature on the *ex porn star* passing the credential or being hired.

Is that risk your career's worth making?
 
2013-09-30 10:19:58 PM

Somacandra: ArkAngel: there are certain professions where one's readily-viewed tawdry past is harmful to professionalism. Teaching is one of those fields

A good teacher can get past this. If the employer will let him or her.


It is not the teacher getting past it that is the problem.  It is the students that are the problem.
 
2013-09-30 10:20:16 PM
bigdanc: oh, right, because firing someone for appearing in a porno is exactly the same thing as firing someone because they got raped.

Because no one who has done porn has EVER been lied to, or taken advantage of, or even raped?

a.abcnews.com

/one of the few people I'd kick in the dick repeatedly because he's SUCH A GODDAMN DOUCHEBAG.
 
2013-09-30 10:20:38 PM

bigdanc: doglover: serial_crusher: it's probably easier to just fire one person than several.

Saudi Arabia has the same idea when it comes to rape.

oh, right, because firing someone for appearing in a porno is exactly the same thing as firing someone because they got raped.


Okay, a few things.

One, who's getting fired. They arrest and/or brutally whip or even murder rape victims in Saudi Arabia. Part of it's Muslim law, part of it's cultural, part of it's probably just cultural inertia. It's the same idea taken to the next order of magnitude.

Secondly, nothing is exactly the same or it would in fact be the original thing it itself. Who taught you ontology? I'm frankly more offended by that kind of glaring logical error than any kind of disagreement with my opinions. It's like you've just picked up a gun at a range, loaded it, and then stared right down the barrel.
 
2013-09-30 10:21:35 PM
So long article short, Gauge is back but we should all feel bad about it.
 
2013-09-30 10:22:51 PM
Well, you'll never get a normal productive job, so you might as well...go right back to doing porn!
 
2013-09-30 10:23:09 PM

gweilo8888: Because nobody in a porno has ever been raped.


You should try to figure out why that rebuttal is so dumb.  Let me know what you think when you're finished!
 
2013-09-30 10:24:19 PM

hardinparamedic: There was a story out of New Jersey a few years ago about an ex-Porn Star who wanted to stop doing porn, and wanted to help people. So she moved across the country, got her EMT-Basic, and joined a volunteer rescue squad. One of the members recognized her, and she was booted off the squad for being "immoral".

Made national news in my profession. Several other squads offered to hire her for pay.


Was outside of Roanoke, actually.  Have driven by that exact fire rescue squad on the way to my parents hundreds of times.
 
2013-09-30 10:24:36 PM
There needs to be some form of protection from legal acts.  (besides a condom)

Sick of people getting fired for having a  previously legal profession.

How about firing a veteran because they engaged in a job that involves killing people?
 
2013-09-30 10:25:47 PM
Many only do a handful of scenes at most and bam, screwed for life.
 
2013-09-30 10:26:06 PM
You got your easy money for having sex on a camera. In your next life learn to save earnings. Deal with it.
 
2013-09-30 10:26:58 PM
"Porn star turned volunteer EMT could be in trouble over racy past"
Link

' ' Attorney Paul M. Mahoney ... stated that Roanoke County does not generally get involved in the decisions of volunteer rescue squads. However, the attorney also noted, "Anything that results in public ridicule of the volunteer squads . . . must be avoided." ' '

Because, you know, it's more important the department's not be embarassed than it is to have competent people out there saving lives.
 
2013-09-30 10:27:05 PM
As soon As I'm done, I'm like, these people are farkin' disgusting.

/you know you think the same way
 
2013-09-30 10:27:06 PM
You mean a hiring manager is discriminating against someone for choices they've made and things they've done?  CALL THE SUPREME COURT! THAT'S AWFUL!
 
2013-09-30 10:29:26 PM

hardinparamedic: bigdanc: oh, right, because firing someone for appearing in a porno is exactly the same thing as firing someone because they got raped.

Because no one who has done porn has EVER been lied to, or taken advantage of, or even raped?

[a.abcnews.com image 320x240]

/one of the few people I'd kick in the dick repeatedly because he's SUCH A GODDAMN DOUCHEBAG.


And I'd help.
 
2013-09-30 10:29:59 PM
I think this is becoming less and less of a problem as the volume of internet porn continues to skyrocket. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
 
2013-09-30 10:30:08 PM
Accountant or other job where you aren't around kids? Sure, no problem. Teacher K-12? Never going to happen. That's one of the few jobs out there that usually have moral turpitude clauses in their contracts. Not just porn but excessive drinking, any illegal drug use, any felony arrests and so on are all causes for termination.
 
2013-09-30 10:30:37 PM

mrlewish: There needs to be some form of protection from legal acts.  (besides a condom)

Sick of people getting fired for having a  previously legal profession.

How about firing a veteran because they engaged in a job that involves killing people?


That's a pretty dumb analogy.  They're not remotely similar things.

If I hire someone to deal with the public, for example, it will directly affect my bottom line if said someone was in porn.  I'd rather avoid that.
 
2013-09-30 10:30:45 PM
Any examples of this happening to guys, or is the discrimination mostly against the ladies?
 
2013-09-30 10:31:23 PM

ThatDarkFellow: You got your easy money for having sex on a camera. In your next life learn to save earnings. Deal with it.


It doesn't sound like there's much money in it for the performers.
 
2013-09-30 10:31:33 PM

mrlewish: How about firing a veteran because they engaged in a job that involves killing people?


Eh, you can just wait for them to go bananas and hope they shoot up their family instead of the workplace.
 
2013-09-30 10:31:50 PM

mrlewish: There needs to be some form of protection from legal acts.  (besides a condom)

Sick of people getting fired for having a  previously legal profession.

How about firing a veteran because they engaged in a job that involves killing people?


This thisity this this this.

And while we're on the subject, please thank all porn actors for their service.
 
2013-09-30 10:32:42 PM

Smock Pot: mrlewish: There needs to be some form of protection from legal acts.  (besides a condom)

Sick of people getting fired for having a  previously legal profession.

How about firing a veteran because they engaged in a job that involves killing people?

This thisity this this this.


Nope-ity nope nope nope.
 
2013-09-30 10:33:04 PM

hardinparamedic: bigdanc: oh, right, because firing someone for appearing in a porno is exactly the same thing as firing someone because they got raped.

Because no one who has done porn has EVER been lied to, or taken advantage of, or even raped?

[a.abcnews.com image 320x240]

/one of the few people I'd kick in the dick repeatedly because he's SUCH A GODDAMN DOUCHEBAG.


I didn't say that.

Doing a porn does not equal rape.
 
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