LordJiro: Acording to Republicans, "Allowing the government to continue to function" is a compromise, and is in no way similar to a lunatic holding someone hostage.
feckingmorons: HeartBurnKid: feckingmorons: I see the headline has it well put. The House proposed something, the Senate said no.The senate didn't say, well can we delay it for 3 months? Can we compromise on something, they just said no. They have made up their minds not to negotiate and yet people fault the House.The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.Yes, several people have made that argument, Republicans have also been called arsonists, anarchists, extortionists, black mailers, hostage takers and an assistant to President Obama even went so far as to say they won't negotiate with 'People with bombs strapped to their chests."I'm not certain if it is hyperbole or lunacy, but I suspect the latter. The name calling, especially after a Democratic call for more civil discourse after Rep. Giffords was shot, is fanning the flames.
feckingmorons: No one can say in good conscience there is nothing wrong with Obamacare.
Kit Fister: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Dancin_In_Anson: So with single payer, there are no questions asked. You show up, you're ushered in, you get "the same high quality healhtcare" and you physician gets a check. Let's say that I'm unemployed, overweight, eat unhealthy food, smoke like a chimney, don't wear a seat belt etc etc etc...You feel that you are morally responsible to take care of me no questions asked.As it stands, you go to the emergency room and they patch you up, they send you a bill you can't pay and the rest of us pay through higher hospital bills, either directly or by way of higher premiums. Healing the patient properly will cost less in the end than putting out fires in the emergency room.You may argue from moral hazard. Moral hazard is a fine argument when speaking of speculators getting bailed out by the taxpayers, but it applies at most feebly to health care. All the single payer in the world won't heal a damaged heart or get you out of a wheelchair. Unhealthy lifestyles are still going to get you.Funny when I couldn't pay they sent me to collections, ruined my credit score, and threatened to sue. Maybe its because I'm white.
SithLord: Well Democrats, are you gonna own this shutdown or are you gonna blame the House for something the Democrat-controlled Senate didn't wish to compromise on?
Lee Jackson Beauregard: I'll assume arguendo that you're talking about an emergency room visit. How much did they actually collect? If the answer is less than 100%, the rest of us still paid through higher hospital bills. No, I'm not judging you; you did what you had to do.
HeartBurnKid: They've threatened to destroy the economy if they don't get exactly what they want. What else would you call them?
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