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(Huffington Post)   House GOP: "How about this, Debt Ceiling Lift for Obamacare delay?" Senate Dem: "No, revise it. Be serious." House GOP: "How about this, Debt Ceiling Lift for Obamacare delay?" USA:"fark you"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 407
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2013-09-30 08:29:52 PM  

hasty ambush: List of Obamacare exemptions, no you are not on it.

[snip]


1) Citation needed.
2) If you've already got health care that meets the requirements of the ACA, you don't need no stinkin' exemption.
 
2013-09-30 08:32:23 PM  

feckingmorons: The House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 40 times, each time the Senate rejected that. They could have negotiated any one of those times. To suggest that this is a surprise and the Democrat controlled Senate was not given an opportunity to change Obamacare from the overly broad monstrosity that it is today is simply untrue.You can have your own opinion. You can't have your own facts.


Here's a question: If Harry Reid (who controls all business in the Senate) said that he would further no bills and hear no amendments until the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has prosecutorial authority over all banks and hedge funds over a certain size, and could audit, at will, any financial institution, and the Republicans refused, so that no bills were passed and the government was forced into a shutdown, would you view this as a legitimate negotiation tactic by the Democrats?

If the Democrats offered to reduce their demands to just having the at-will auditing, and the Republicans refused, would you blame the Republicans for not willing to negotiate?
 
2013-09-30 08:32:31 PM  
I would like dinner.

One friend suggested a steak. Another friend suggested a bowl of shiat. The compromise is not a shiat covered hamburger
 
2013-09-30 08:32:49 PM  
 
2013-09-30 08:33:32 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: mediablitz: Ah, the old "forced" crybaby argumentWhat happens if you don't follow the law...any law?


By that logic, I am by extension "forced" to not murder you in your sleep.

Right now, I really  really  really  really  really REALLY want to do so, because of how badly you're arguing at present.  Seriously, it hurts.  It should be considered assault.  It's that bad.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:43 PM  

feckingmorons: Carn: feckingmorons: I see the headline has it well put. The House proposed something, the Senate said no.

The senate didn't say, well can we delay it for 3 months? Can we compromise on something, they just said no. They have made up their minds not to negotiate and yet people fault the House.

feckingmorons, I demand you pay for TF for me for 1 year.

What do I get in return, a continuing resolution to fund the government? OK you've got a deal.


Why won't you compromise?  This intransigence will not stand!  Let it be known that I very generously compromised with you but you haven't yet compromised with me.  As a further sign of my good faith, I will knock it down to 5 months of TF for me.  Just buy me 5 months and we'll call it square!
 
2013-09-30 08:34:25 PM  
The Senate has already announced they are going to flip this stupid bill back to the House in less than an hour.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:23 PM  
9 GOP no votes so far. Every time they vote they get more no votes.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:34 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: TuteTibiImperes: No, I think the government should appoint a panel of medical professionals to make those decisions

So you will willingly give control of decisions that affect your healthcare to some panel of professionals. It's ok though, because you live a healthy lifestyle so it really won't affect you in any way...it's the people like that guy over there that will be culled.


Is...is that really a "Death Panels" argument?? Really? Damn.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:37 PM  
In exchange for the debt ceiling passage, the democrats should offer to repeal obamacare in its entirety and lower the Medicare qualifying age to 18.

That sounds like a compromise right up the GOP's alley. Obamacare completely repealed and the debt ceiling passage.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:57 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: I agree with you a lot of times but this time I truly believe the GOPs brinksmanship is detrimental and childish.


No, i agree with that.
 
2013-09-30 08:37:08 PM  
If we delayed oObama care for a year right now, what would they want for the debt ceiling to get raised anyways? What do they want next year? Why would you think for a second they wouldn't continue to ask for Year delays forever and threaten to tank shiat if they ddon't get it? I mean hell at some point if aca is going to happens the dems had to say nope, not delaying it get farked. Why not now?
 
2013-09-30 08:37:32 PM  

DamnYankees: The Senate has already announced they are going to flip this stupid bill back to the House in less than an hour.


Good
 
2013-09-30 08:38:20 PM  
12 GOP nos so far, 16 left to vote...
 
2013-09-30 08:39:07 PM  

bulldg4life: In exchange for the debt ceiling passage, the democrats should offer to repeal obamacare in its entirety and lower the Medicare qualifying age to 18.

That sounds like a compromise right up the GOP's alley. Obamacare completely repealed and the debt ceiling passage.


Heh. Yes.
 
2013-09-30 08:39:14 PM  

hasty ambush: List of Obamacare exemptions, no you are not on it.


hahaha.  that's when you know you have a good law.  when all those need exemptions.
 
2013-09-30 08:39:46 PM  

bulldg4life: In exchange for the debt ceiling passage, the democrats should offer to repeal obamacare in its entirety and lower the Medicare qualifying age to 18.



that would require two things, one, the democrats would have to actually be a party of leftists, and two, they would have to actually have a spine/set of balls.
 
2013-09-30 08:42:19 PM  

SlothB77: hasty ambush: List of Obamacare exemptions, no you are not on it.

hahaha.  that's when you know you have a good law.  when all those need exemptions.


Wait - you actually believe that nonsense?
 
2013-09-30 08:43:08 PM  

peasandcarrots: Make no mistake; the Republicans are definitely negotiating in bad faith


They've given the Senate 40+ bills to repeal it over the last two years. Any one of those could have been the start of compromise and negotiation but the Senate each and every time said no. I don't see how you can say the House is negotiating in bad faith. There is no duplicity or deception, the year delay will allow the House to again vote to repeal Obamacare and piecemeal repeal the malodorous parts of it that haven't been done away with yet. The 1099 thing was so unpopular with businesses that the Democrats agreed to repeal that, The CO-OP program was repealed on a bipartisan basis.

The horrible increases in withholding taxes and lax eligibility requirements were repealed with another bill from the House that the Senate agreed to and President Obama signed. The CLASS program that was a colossal and expensive failure was repealed.

These are the parts I can recall, think of what else is in this bloated, overreaching law. Racial preferences in medical school admissions - did you know that was in there? The Anti-conscience mandate - if as a Jew you are opposed to euthanasia you can be required to fund it as an employer.

The law sets up more than 150 new rule making bodies. Don't we have enough of those already? The law imposes a tax on people who won't get insurance, but we've been told time and time again that the IRS won't enforce this because Obamacare does not allow them to proceed with civil or criminal penalties (if you get a refund they can take it from that, but if no refund it just stays on the books until you do).

This law was written by 1000 lawyers with 1000 typewriters. It is bad law, sure there are a few good things in it, but the bad things far outweigh them.
 
2013-09-30 08:43:12 PM  
Congress can't even count to potato.

We're all farked.
 
2013-09-30 08:44:09 PM  

SlothB77: hasty ambush: List of Obamacare exemptions, no you are not on it.

hahaha.  that's when you know you have a good law.  when all those need exemptions.


reads like fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:farkpost:fwd:fwd it probably just means their current insurance is acceptable under the law, like mine, I was also "exempted".
 
2013-09-30 08:45:51 PM  
Josh Barro @jbarro
Reid quotes Einstein: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Republicans "have lost their minds."
 
2013-09-30 08:46:50 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: what_now: Because we as a society have decided that health care is something we all pay for.

How much do you think you should be forced to pay for my heathcare?


No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; 
It tolls for thee.
 
2013-09-30 08:47:36 PM  
It's just not fair that the democrats won't compromise on repeal! Those bastards.
 
2013-09-30 08:49:21 PM  

realmolo: Dancin In Anson is a typical conservative idiot. There is no social contract in their mind. You pay your way, or you die. Because...who-the-fark-knows.

He's a sociopath, basically. Again, like most conservatives.


I don't think Republicans are sociopaths, but it's clear that they think that government should be sociopathic, instead of compassionate, on the off chance that there's someone out there that doesn't want to be compassionate.

However, since we have a government Of The People, etc., we have a government that reflects the will of the compassionate. We want welfare, we want Medicare, we want Social Security, because we elect people who, like us, don't want to chuck the destitute into the cold and don't have the power to act individually.

Conservatives don't want that to be the role of government because they see it as a power grab. Which, when they tell you that they believe that largesse should be in the hands of private organizations and churches, kind of tells you who they want running your life...
 
2013-09-30 08:49:50 PM  
haywatchthis
whar my health care

Wow, someone whose profile says that they're from Alabama made a racist post.  What are the odds??
 
2013-09-30 08:50:01 PM  

hasty ambush: White House Obamacare Delay: Out-Of-Pocket Caps Waived Until 2015

Administration Delays Obamacare Employer Mandate


Democrats oppose delay of individual mandate?????


So you're saying that Obama and the democrats have already compromised on obamacare?

Then what's the hold up, pass a cr already!
 
2013-09-30 08:50:26 PM  

feckingmorons: They've given the Senate 40+ bills to repeal it over the last two years. Any one of those could have been the start of compromise and negotiation but the Senate each and every time said no.


And in not one of those bills did the Republicans show any interest in compromising, it was for show and everybody knew it. I don't know you think it's the Democrats' responsibility to go "hey, we have what we want out of this bill, but they're clearly unhappy, so let's see what parts we can live without to make them happy." If the Republicans had specific issues they wanted to debate (note: "All of it" does not qualify as a specific point) then they could have introduced narrow bills to that effect. They have not done so, because there isn't a specific part they particularly don't like. They don't like that it might succeed, so they are trying anything they can to make sure it fails in any way they can.
 
2013-09-30 08:51:31 PM  

bulldg4life: It's just not fair that the democrats won't compromise on repeal! Those bastards.


They could play the reasonable negotiation card if they hadn't taken the position from day one that the law needed to be repealed in its entirety.

I mean one of the things that made Romney look so ludicrous was his "repeal and replace" thing with absolutely no suggestion as to what it would be replaced with.
 
2013-09-30 08:52:33 PM  

birdmanesq: bulldg4life: It's just not fair that the democrats won't compromise on repeal! Those bastards.

They could play the reasonable negotiation card if they hadn't taken the position from day one that the law needed to be repealed in its entirety.

I mean one of the things that made Romney look so ludicrous was his "repeal and replace" thing with absolutely no suggestion as to what it would be replaced with.


At this point, they think a year-long delay instead of repealing it IS the concession.
 
2013-09-30 08:52:50 PM  

Fellate O'Fish: haywatchthis
whar my health care

Wow, someone whose profile says that they're from Alabama made a racist post.  What are the odds??


enjoy your vacation
 
2013-09-30 08:57:22 PM  

haywatchthis: Fellate O'Fish: haywatchthis
whar my health care

Wow, someone whose profile says that they're from Alabama made a racist post.  What are the odds??

enjoy your vacation


Wait a tic.

On the Politics Tab the racists don't get vacations, but the people who call out racists do? It really is bizarro world over here.
 
2013-09-30 08:58:05 PM  

haywatchthis: Fellate O'Fish: haywatchthis
whar my health care

Wow, someone whose profile says that they're from Alabama made a racist post.  What are the odds??

enjoy your vacation


Wait, making correct observations about someones post is grounds for vacation time? That must be pretty new, since I still see replies to DIA and the guy who must have 2 personalities, both of less than average intelligence, up there.
 
2013-09-30 08:58:15 PM  

feckingmorons: They've given the Senate 40+ bills to repeal it over the last two years.


and replace it with nothing, so go back to the way it was when people with preexisting conditions couldn't get coverage and we all had to pick up the tab anyway because of the Hippocratic oath, why don't you pass a law that allows doctors to ignore that first and then move on to repealing obamacare.
 
2013-09-30 09:01:08 PM  

birdmanesq: birdmanesq: feckingmorons: birdmanesq: The reason that Obamacare can't get fixed during the normal legislative process is because the extremist, absolutist wing of the Republican Party cannot compromise in good faith. Instead they are forced to attempt to extract unreasonable demands in a hostage-type situation.

The House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 40 times, each time the Senate rejected that. They could have negotiated any one of those times. To suggest that this is a surprise and the Democrat controlled Senate was not given an opportunity to change Obamacare from the overly broad monstrosity that it is today is simply untrue.

You can have your own opinion. You can't have your own facts.

This is a case where you aren't entitled to your own facts. There was no atten

Er.

There was no attempt made to "fix" Obamacare in those House votes. It was entirely a mission of destruction.

Fortunately our constitutional democracy doesn't work that way.

But, if course, the Tea Party hates the Constitution so they're forced to find ways to bypass normal legislative processes to extort concessions. "I didn't get my way? Fine. I'm coming back with a gun and asking again."

You should be f*cking ashamed of yourself that you are condoning this behavior.


Please, you're telling me a bill relating to repealing Obamacare can't be negotiated to fix provisions in Obmamcare. I'm sure you've conveniently forgotten that the Obamacare bill started out as a completely different appropriations bill (as it was an appropriations bill it had to originate in the house) H.R. 3590, the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 by Charlie Rangel ( an admitted tax cheat). It was about servicemembers and taxes.

You can't in good conscience tell me that if they could turn something about military members housing and taxes into Obamacare they could not have used one of the 40+ repeal bills to compromise.

Bypassing normal legislative process, don't give me that nonsense either, this is in no way bypassing the normal legislative process. Conversely Rep.Alcee Hastings (impeached and removed former federal Judge) was giddy about making up the rules as they want along passing Obamacare by reconciliation - a process never before used and absolutely not designed for the artifice, subterfuge and chicanery used by the Democrats to pass Obamacare.

If anyone has dirty hands it is not the Republicans. I should be ashamed of myself? Really? Refute what I just said and lets see who is ashamed.
 
2013-09-30 09:02:03 PM  

birdmanesq: haywatchthis: Fellate O'Fish: haywatchthis
whar my health care

Wow, someone whose profile says that they're from Alabama made a racist post.  What are the odds??

enjoy your vacation

Wait a tic.

On the Politics Tab the racists don't get vacations, but the people who call out racists do? It really is bizarro world over here.


maybe, the racist guy might take what the other guy said as trolling other farkers, so the racist guy might have alerted the mods, not sure if the mods will side with the racist guy but ya never know...
 
2013-09-30 09:04:32 PM  

nmrsnr: And in not one of those bills did the Republicans show any interest in compromising, it was for show and everybody knew it.


List one of them which they passed back with amendments or negotiated in conference.
 
2013-09-30 09:05:10 PM  

haywatchthis: [ts3.explicit.bing.net image 201x300]
whar my health care


I'll give you a 3/10. There's better racist trolls around here, so you'll have to step your game up if you want to join the big leagues.
 
2013-09-30 09:05:59 PM  
haywatchthis
enjoy your vacation

Well, bless your heart.
 
2013-09-30 09:06:53 PM  
 
2013-09-30 09:08:06 PM  

feckingmorons: nmrsnr: And in not one of those bills did the Republicans show any interest in compromising, it was for show and everybody knew it.

List one of them which they passed back with amendments or negotiated in conference.


I see you stopped reading after my first sentence, so I'll repost what I wrote, where I ask why it should be incumbent on the Democrats to initiate negotiations:

I don't know you think it's the Democrats' responsibility to go "hey, we have what we want out of this bill, but they're clearly unhappy, so let's see what parts we can live without to make them happy." If the Republicans had specific issues they wanted to debate (note: "All of it" does not qualify as a specific point) then they could have introduced narrow bills to that effect. They have not done so, because there isn't a specific part they particularly don't like. They don't like that it might succeed, so they are trying anything they can to make sure it fails in any way they can.
 
2013-09-30 09:08:42 PM  

Headso: birdmanesq: haywatchthis: Fellate O'Fish: haywatchthis
whar my health care

Wow, someone whose profile says that they're from Alabama made a racist post.  What are the odds??

enjoy your vacation

Wait a tic.

On the Politics Tab the racists don't get vacations, but the people who call out racists do? It really is bizarro world over here.

maybe, the racist guy might take what the other guy said as trolling other farkers, so the racist guy might have alerted the mods, not sure if the mods will side with the racist guy but ya never know...


So the racist guy gets told that he is racist and then a joke gets made about the racist guy's state being full of slack-jawed racists and that constitutes trolling?

Well, it's one thing to be a racist asshole, but it's quite another to be a racist asshole with such thin skin that you feel the need to run and tattle any time your racist feelings get hurt. Interesting.
 
paj
2013-09-30 09:09:31 PM  
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2013-09-30 09:09:32 PM  

Headso: feckingmorons: They've given the Senate 40+ bills to repeal it over the last two years.

and replace it with nothing, so go back to the way it was when people with preexisting conditions couldn't get coverage and we all had to pick up the tab anyway because of the Hippocratic oath, why don't you pass a law that allows doctors to ignore that first and then move on to repealing obamacare.


Call me a joker, call me a fool, but I think this would be a perfect time for the Senate to reveal a sweeping repeal bill of Obamacare that dismantles every provision and postpones every measure, watch the House jump at it, and then open it up and read:

"The Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed and replaced with a comprehensive single-payer system, the details of which are as follows:"

Well, they want it repealed and replaced. How badly do they want it repealed and replaced?
 
2013-09-30 09:10:18 PM  

kasmel: feckingmorons:

You were derping?  http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-09-30/the-government-shutdo w n-is-john-boehners-fault?campaign_id=yhoo


Probably a cousin of mine judging from the name.

I'm no huge fan of Mr. Boehner.
 
2013-09-30 09:13:43 PM  
Hmmmm... the post count keeps going down.
 
2013-09-30 09:14:40 PM  

peasandcarrots: Headso: feckingmorons: They've given the Senate 40+ bills to repeal it over the last two years.

and replace it with nothing, so go back to the way it was when people with preexisting conditions couldn't get coverage and we all had to pick up the tab anyway because of the Hippocratic oath, why don't you pass a law that allows doctors to ignore that first and then move on to repealing obamacare.

Call me a joker, call me a fool, but I think this would be a perfect time for the Senate to reveal a sweeping repeal bill of Obamacare that dismantles every provision and postpones every measure, watch the House jump at it, and then open it up and read:

"The Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed and replaced with a comprehensive single-payer system, the details of which are as follows:"

Well, they want it repealed and replaced. How badly do they want it repealed and replaced?



If you think you can set up single payer in a year or two (or ten for that matter) and still have hospitals and physicians I'll vote for you.
 
2013-09-30 09:15:01 PM  

feckingmorons: Please, you're telling me a bill relating to repealing Obamacare can't be negotiated to fix provisions in Obmamcare


Okay, let's take one of those loyalty oaths described as a bill, strip out the derp , and add an amendment that reworks the individual mandate to a public option plus system where those who did not find their own insurance on the exchanges would be enrolled in Medicaid-E (other people could sign on as well).  You want to negotiate on that?
 
2013-09-30 09:16:15 PM  

feckingmorons: nmrsnr: And in not one of those bills did the Republicans show any interest in compromising, it was for show and everybody knew it.

List one of them which they passed back with amendments or negotiated in conference.


That's what you, and thirty Congressmen, don't get. "I get everything and you get nothing, or we all go down the drain" is an ultimatum, not a negotiations starting point. For someone as concerned about coercion as you seem to be, you actually believe that it's an appropriate opener for conversation.

A negotiations starting point would look more like, "Here are my provisions. Do you have any provisions?"

If you use the language of absolutism and ultimatum, you really need to stop being surprised when people see you as an uncompromising absolutist.
 
2013-09-30 09:16:30 PM  

nmrsnr: why it should be incumbent on the Democrats to initiate negotiations:


They didn't. The House sent them the bill, they make changes and send it back. Simply saying no is not negotiating.

Look at the back and forth on the last CR and you'll see how they negotiated, the Senate didn't just say NO! and go home for the weekend.
 
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