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(Huffington Post)   House GOP: "How about this, Debt Ceiling Lift for Obamacare delay?" Senate Dem: "No, revise it. Be serious." House GOP: "How about this, Debt Ceiling Lift for Obamacare delay?" USA:"fark you"   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line 407
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2013-09-30 08:05:51 PM  

nyseattitude: It's fine that you don't understand or grasp the concept.


Ask him about the Iraqi war!
 
2013-09-30 08:06:22 PM  
The house needs to see taking the nation hostage will not work or they will keep doing it.
 
2013-09-30 08:06:44 PM  
You have a hell of a slippery slope problem too. Is there any reason to think if the dems started giving them what they wanted that in the future they won't just do the same shiat and threaten gov shut downs and debt defaults if we didn't ban abortion, kill gun control, or fund NPR?
 
2013-09-30 08:06:53 PM  

feckingmorons: Refusing to delay flawed legislation and forcing the country into a governmental shutdown simply to make a point is improper, and yet that is the Democrat position.


Thar's one way to look at it. Completely ass backwards but one way.
 
2013-09-30 08:06:59 PM  

DeArmondVI: tomcatadam: DeArmondVI: The Tea Party has so little faith in how the Constitution sets forward for bills becoming law that they are willing to fark over the economy, and hence the US population, in order to force their ideology on the population.

This whole charade is simple one big F**K you to the Founding Fathers, courtesy of the Tea Party.

If Obamacare truly is the nightmare that the GOP has claimed it to be, then the public will soon realize it, the Democrats will be driven from office in shame in 2014 and 2016 and the GOP will be able to roll back everything that the public will soon hate.

It is rather curious that they don't seem to think that that is a realistic scenario, and that speaks volumes.

I believe that the logical response is "but letting obamacare ruin the country and kill millions would be petty, cruel and evil. We should stop it now rather than play politics".

So they can be consistent on that end, or at least they can try to appear to be.

Given some of the derp I've seen from my friends on Facebook, I can see that


Is Facebook really that political in practice? I'm not on it but it seems rude to make political comments via Facebook.

From what I've seen from my wife's account Facebook is for 30 something women sharing inane stories about their kids. Fark is for political shiat.
 
2013-09-30 08:07:49 PM  

nyseattitude: Dancin_In_Anson: Rincewind53: Things that D_I_A is currently being forced to pay for:
- Housing relief for low-income families
- Oil subsidies to Exxon
- Agricultural subsidies to Monsanto
- Head Start programs for small children
- Food stamps for low-income families in Detroit
- The janitor whose job it is to clean the toilets at the Statue of Liberty
- Bamboo to feed the pandas at the National Zoo
- Hedge-trimming costs at Arlington National Cemetary
- President Obama's vacations
- My drink two weekends ago, which was paid for by my friend who is a Congressional staffer.

And now we're going to add 'free' heathcare for all to that list because it (like everything else you listed) the government has determined to be a moral duty.

No, the civilized individuals of the United States determined it is a moral duty.

It's fine that you don't understand or grasp the concept.


And as a bonus, judging by the rest of the developed world, a UHC system will cost *everyone* less than the system currently in place, have fewer out of pocket costs, and people won't end up destitute as a result of being injured or sick.

But we can't do that, because reasons.
 
2013-09-30 08:08:10 PM  

grimlock1972: The house needs to see taking the nation hostage will not work or they will keep doing it.


Like they have every time the budget has come up for debate while Obama has been in office?

They have kept doing it and we've told them every single time that we don't care if they take the nation's economy hostage. This year isn't any different.
 
2013-09-30 08:08:25 PM  

SirVagTheTighty: You have a hell of a slippery slope problem too. Is there any reason to think if the dems started giving them what they wanted that in the future they won't just do the same shiat and threaten gov shut downs and debt defaults if we didn't ban abortion, kill gun control, or fund NPR?


The last three democratic presidents have faced government shutdowns and impeachment threats to varying degrees.

I would just go ahead and assume that when a democrat is president...this is standard operation procedure.
 
2013-09-30 08:09:57 PM  

Kit Fister: Debeo Summa Credo: You know, in the left wing derposphere that fark has devolved into I'm considered a far right winger. I think we spend too much and think ACA is a bad law, etc. etc.

But I want to go on record again and say this dance with shutdown and debt ceiling nonsense is petty and childish of the GOP. Ive shifted enough to the right in the past few years that I'd love to vote against the dems but alas the GOP isn't a viable alternative right now.

I feel the same, but nothing about the ACA in general is even bad. Right now progun democrat is the best alternative


ACA is an obomination.  We should have a single payer system.  Obamacare is all we get, its slightly better than having absolutely nothing.  But its a piece of shiat and you know it.
 
2013-09-30 08:10:32 PM  

Mugato: feckingmorons: Refusing to delay flawed legislation and forcing the country into a governmental shutdown simply to make a point is improper, and yet that is the Democrat position.

Thar's one way to look at it. Completely ass backwards but one way.


i.imgur.com

An ass backwards way of looking at things is a kind of way to look at things.
 
2013-09-30 08:10:43 PM  

SirVagTheTighty: You have a hell of a slippery slope problem too. Is there any reason to think if the dems started giving them what they wanted that in the future they won't just do the same shiat and threaten gov shut downs and debt defaults if we didn't ban abortion, kill gun control, or fund NPR?


Depends on the gun control that needs to be killed. *ducks*
 
2013-09-30 08:11:33 PM  

HeartBurnKid: feckingmorons: I see the headline has it well put. The House proposed something, the Senate said no.

The senate didn't say, well can we delay it for 3 months? Can we compromise on something, they just said no. They have made up their minds not to negotiate and yet people fault the House.

The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.


Yes, several people have made that argument, Republicans have also been called arsonists, anarchists, extortionists, black mailers, hostage takers and an assistant to President Obama even went so far as to say they won't negotiate with 'People with bombs strapped to their chests."

I'm not certain if it is hyperbole or lunacy, but I suspect the latter. The name calling, especially after a Democratic call for more civil discourse after Rep. Giffords was shot, is fanning the flames.

Obama care is not that important, it is a bad law - even with the changes that have been made- and a year delay would allow time for a fix, or more probably a repeal. The Democrats are deathly afraid of that as it will be obvious to everyone that Obama is a failure. Now many of us see Obama as a failure and we can wait for history to also identify his as the inept leader he is. However the Democrats know the electorate is fickle and the want to hold on to the catastrophe that is their leader's crowning achievement for as long as possible.

You can insult those opposed to Obamacare, we all quite used to it, but you can't polish the pile of crap that it is any longer. We know what a nightmare it is. Obama's legacy will be a failed economy, ruined to a huge extent by this law that was enacted using scheme and artifice. If it was good would they have had to bribe people to get it passed? I'm not concerned about Obama care, I know I'll be taxed more, I have been taxed more. The poor people, the students, the people who can't get a full time job, those are the people it is hurting. I'll have to skip Banff next year.

So continue with the name calling, and have fun with your mandatory overpriced insurance. Want a commercial 80/20 plan with a high deductible. Sorry those don't meet MEP standards and you have to pay a fine - a tax really. The only way Obamacare is still a law is because it fines people who can't or won't buy insurance. It is legal simply because it punishes those who can least afford it.

No one can say in good conscience there is nothing wrong with Obamacare.
 
2013-09-30 08:12:15 PM  
In chart form:

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-09-30 08:12:15 PM  

orclover: Kit Fister: Debeo Summa Credo: You know, in the left wing derposphere that fark has devolved into I'm considered a far right winger. I think we spend too much and think ACA is a bad law, etc. etc.

But I want to go on record again and say this dance with shutdown and debt ceiling nonsense is petty and childish of the GOP. Ive shifted enough to the right in the past few years that I'd love to vote against the dems but alas the GOP isn't a viable alternative right now.

I feel the same, but nothing about the ACA in general is even bad. Right now progun democrat is the best alternative

ACA is an obomination.  We should have a single payer system.  Obamacare is all we get, its slightly better than having absolutely nothing.  But its a piece of shiat and you know it.


Agreed. But that's what happens when you compromise with Republicans and implement their ideas.
 
2013-09-30 08:13:07 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: From what I've seen from my wife's account Facebook is for 30 something women sharing inane stories about their kids. Fark is for political shiat


Lots of politics on FB - LOTS of politics. In fact I see far more poli photoshops there than I do here anymore.
 
2013-09-30 08:13:46 PM  

Weatherkiss: Personally, I think we have the government we deserve. We go through this economic hostage situation every year. Every election year the same assholes keep getting re-elected. Noone recalls their senators or representatives for this kind of bullshiat they pull. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The Teahadists are insane. We elect insane people to congress.

Yep. This is working exactly as intended and we get the government we deserve.


GREAT post and right about everything except one.

You deserve way better.  Two parties willing to work together for the betterment of your quality of life and the WORLD'S instead of a dysfunctional insane asylum in suits would be a good start.
 
2013-09-30 08:15:27 PM  

orclover: Kit Fister: Debeo Summa Credo: You know, in the left wing derposphere that fark has devolved into I'm considered a far right winger. I think we spend too much and think ACA is a bad law, etc. etc.

But I want to go on record again and say this dance with shutdown and debt ceiling nonsense is petty and childish of the GOP. Ive shifted enough to the right in the past few years that I'd love to vote against the dems but alas the GOP isn't a viable alternative right now.

I feel the same, but nothing about the ACA in general is even bad. Right now progun democrat is the best alternative

ACA is an obomination.  We should have a single payer system.  Obamacare is all we get, its slightly better than having absolutely nothing.  But its a piece of shiat and you know it.


Even I agree that single payer would be a vast improvement over Obamacare.
 
2013-09-30 08:15:27 PM  

orclover: Kit Fister: Debeo Summa Credo: You know, in the left wing derposphere that fark has devolved into I'm considered a far right winger. I think we spend too much and think ACA is a bad law, etc. etc.

But I want to go on record again and say this dance with shutdown and debt ceiling nonsense is petty and childish of the GOP. Ive shifted enough to the right in the past few years that I'd love to vote against the dems but alas the GOP isn't a viable alternative right now.

I feel the same, but nothing about the ACA in general is even bad. Right now progun democrat is the best alternative

ACA is an obomination.  We should have a single payer system.  Obamacare is all we get, its slightly better than having absolutely nothing.  But its a piece of shiat and you know it.


I'm not sure it's better than the status quo. It entrenches subsidies into an inefficient program that is built on under penalized individual mandates while adding to economically inefficient employer mandates.

The ideal would be a national mutual insurer that charges everyone the same rate. National community rating. No subsidies. Death panels optional but certainly not forbidden.

Sorry UnitedHealth and WellPoint, maybe we'll contract you for admin services.
 
2013-09-30 08:16:50 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: DarwiOdrade: At least this way we end up paying less.

You think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free.*

*Plagiarized from PJ O'Rourke

unyon: I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you're not suffering from a chronic life threatening illness while having substandard insurance.

No, but I've been broke.


And during that time that you were broke, I presume that you put your limited resources into the basics- food, clothing, shelter. And, given limited resources and tough choices, likely rolled the bones with your health care and likely the health care of your family.

Do I have the scenario about right?  And during that time that you gambled with your families health, were you honestly more concerned about big government?
 
2013-09-30 08:17:09 PM  

rustypouch: orclover: Kit Fister: Debeo Summa Credo: You know, in the left wing derposphere that fark has devolved into I'm considered a far right winger. I think we spend too much and think ACA is a bad law, etc. etc.

But I want to go on record again and say this dance with shutdown and debt ceiling nonsense is petty and childish of the GOP. Ive shifted enough to the right in the past few years that I'd love to vote against the dems but alas the GOP isn't a viable alternative right now.

I feel the same, but nothing about the ACA in general is even bad. Right now progun democrat is the best alternative

ACA is an obomination.  We should have a single payer system.  Obamacare is all we get, its slightly better than having absolutely nothing.  But its a piece of shiat and you know it.

Agreed. But that's what happens when you compromise with Republicans and implement their ideas.


The democrats were spineless. When they had control of the House they should have just rammed through the legislation in one of its more robust forms just like the Rethuglicans did when Bush the Lesser was in office. The moment they took single payer out of the bill, I knew the Republicans wouldn't stop there and would force them to make concession after concession. But then the democrats lost the House and we have this shiat instead.

There's stuff wrong with ACA, but it's thanks to the Democrats being spineless and cowing to Republican demands when they really shouldn't have, and it's certainly a lot better than what we had before. Which was having insurance companies fark everyone over.
 
2013-09-30 08:17:25 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Sorry UnitedHealth and WellPoint, maybe we'll contract you for admin services.


Who do you think are the third party payers for most government policies now? There is plenty of insurance to sell, and health insurance is not remarkably profitable in comparison to P&C. The present policy issuers would be happy to take on a third party payer role and lose all of the risk.
 
2013-09-30 08:17:50 PM  

orclover: Kit Fister: Debeo Summa Credo: You know, in the left wing derposphere that fark has devolved into I'm considered a far right winger. I think we spend too much and think ACA is a bad law, etc. etc.

But I want to go on record again and say this dance with shutdown and debt ceiling nonsense is petty and childish of the GOP. Ive shifted enough to the right in the past few years that I'd love to vote against the dems but alas the GOP isn't a viable alternative right now.

I feel the same, but nothing about the ACA in general is even bad. Right now progun democrat is the best alternative

ACA is an obomination.  We should have a single payer system.  Obamacare is all we get, its slightly better than having absolutely nothing.  But its a piece of shiat and you know it.


It depends on the implementation. Normally? I guess so. But I'm not convinced that arbitrarily setting prices vs. Allowing healthy competition determine prices where the consumer makes the choices is iffy in my mind.

What isn't iffy to me is that however we get there, part of our society means we take care of our own. And as long as the little guy contributes in return however he can, great. I don't believe in free rides, nor do I believe in just telling someone to fark off if they needed help.
 
2013-09-30 08:17:51 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: what_now: Because we as a society have decided that health care is something we all pay for.

How much do you think you should be forced to pay for my heathcare?


Taxes are not a personal attack, they are an agreement you tacitly abide, by living here.

Once the baggers understand this, things can get moving again.
 
2013-09-30 08:17:55 PM  

feckingmorons: birdmanesq: In a way, I can totally understand viewing the budget CRs and the debt ceiling as leverage points. I mean, it is the desire to not have the US government shut down or for the US to not default on its obligation would seem to present serious incentive to acquiesce.

But in assigning blame, it's pretty clear that the party attempting to extract those concessions ought to be the group that bears the risk for the consequences.

We need a CR. It is obvious that Obamacare is defective as many parts of it have been delayed by Obama himself and other parts repealed - the 1099 for all small business transactions got the chop a few years ago if I recall. It is flawed and delaying that until it can be repaired is not unreasonable.

Refusing to delay flawed legislation and forcing the country into a governmental shutdown simply to make a point is improper, and yet that is the Democrat position.


You're wrong.

The reason that Obamacare can't get fixed during the normal legislative process is because the extremist, absolutist wing of the Republican Party cannot compromise in good faith. Instead they are forced to attempt to extract unreasonable demands in a hostage-type situation.
 
2013-09-30 08:18:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: DeArmondVI:

Given some of the derp I've seen from my friends on Facebook, I can see that

Is Facebook really that political in practice? I'm not on it but it seems rude to make political comments via Facebook.

From what I've seen from my wife's account Facebook is for 30 something women sharing inane stories about their kids. Fark is for political shiat.


I've got a few leftist derp friends that constantly put up whatever meme picture for PETA they come across, some right winger friends who post links from The Blaze everyday, and a few loony friends who post Infowars links.

Sadly, since I know all parties involved IRL, I kinda wish I wasn't privy to their political views. But, yes, there are plenty of people who view FB as the best vehicle for stating their politics (see: Sarah Palin).
 
2013-09-30 08:18:30 PM  

feckingmorons: HeartBurnKid: feckingmorons: I see the headline has it well put. The House proposed something, the Senate said no.

The senate didn't say, well can we delay it for 3 months? Can we compromise on something, they just said no. They have made up their minds not to negotiate and yet people fault the House.

The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.

Yes, several people have made that argument, Republicans have also been called arsonists, anarchists, extortionists, black mailers, hostage takers and an assistant to President Obama even went so far as to say they won't negotiate with 'People with bombs strapped to their chests."

I'm not certain if it is hyperbole or lunacy, but I suspect the latter. The name calling, especially after a Democratic call for more civil discourse after Rep. Giffords was shot, is fanning the flames.

Obama care is not that important, it is a bad law - even with the changes that have been made- and a year delay would allow time for a fix, or more probably a repeal. The Democrats are deathly afraid of that as it will be obvious to everyone that Obama is a failure. Now many of us see Obama as a failure and we can wait for history to also identify his as the inept leader he is. However the Democrats know the electorate is fickle and the want to hold on to the catastrophe that is their leader's crowning achievement for as long as possible.

You can insult those opposed to Obamacare, we all quite used to it, but you can't polish the pile of crap that it is any longer. We know what a nightmare it is. Obama's legacy will be a failed economy, ruined to a huge extent by this law that was enacted using scheme and artifice. If it was good would they have had to bribe people to get it passed? I'm not concerned about Obama care, I know I'll be taxed more, I have been taxed more. The poor people, the students, the people who can't get a full time job, those are the people it is hurting. I'll have to skip Banff next year.

So con ...


Yes, they're so deathly afraid of it, they want it implemented sooner rather than later- because they know it will be such a massive fail.  Right.
 
2013-09-30 08:18:44 PM  

feckingmorons: HeartBurnKid: feckingmorons: I see the headline has it well put. The House proposed something, the Senate said no.

The senate didn't say, well can we delay it for 3 months? Can we compromise on something, they just said no. They have made up their minds not to negotiate and yet people fault the House.

The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.

Yes, several people have made that argument, Republicans have also been called arsonists, anarchists, extortionists, black mailers, hostage takers and an assistant to President Obama even went so far as to say they won't negotiate with 'People with bombs strapped to their chests."

I'm not certain if it is hyperbole or lunacy, but I suspect the latter. The name calling, especially after a Democratic call for more civil discourse after Rep. Giffords was shot, is fanning the flames.

Obama care is not that important, it is a bad law - even with the changes that have been made- and a year delay would allow time for a fix, or more probably a repeal. The Democrats are deathly afraid of that as it will be obvious to everyone that Obama is a failure. Now many of us see Obama as a failure and we can wait for history to also identify his as the inept leader he is. However the Democrats know the electorate is fickle and the want to hold on to the catastrophe that is their leader's crowning achievement for as long as possible.

You can insult those opposed to Obamacare, we all quite used to it, but you can't polish the pile of crap that it is any longer. We know what a nightmare it is. Obama's legacy will be a failed economy, ruined to a huge extent by this law that was enacted using scheme and artifice. If it was good would they have had to bribe people to get it passed? I'm not concerned about Obama care, I know I'll be taxed more, I have been taxed more. The poor people, the students, the people who can't get a full time job, those are the people it is hurting. I'll have to skip Banff next year.

So continue with the name calling, and have fun with your mandatory overpriced insurance. Want a commercial 80/20 plan with a high deductible. Sorry those don't meet MEP standards and you have to pay a fine - a tax really. The only way Obamacare is still a law is because it fines people who can't or won't buy insurance. It is legal simply because it punishes those who can least afford it.

No one can say in good conscience there is nothing wrong with Obamacare.


People that can't afford to buy insurance have no reason to buy a high deduct able 80/20 plan. If they had to use it, then it would bankrupt them so what is the point? aca does let them buy insurance that is really useful, affordable, and they can use it without going bankrupt though. So they got that going for them. We 'fine' people all the time for shiat. It is called taxes. We also let people out of taxes for doing certain things. For example iI own a house. The government reduces my taxes every year for the interest, property taxes, and a few other things.
 
2013-09-30 08:20:25 PM  

bulldg4life: SirVagTheTighty: You have a hell of a slippery slope problem too. Is there any reason to think if the dems started giving them what they wanted that in the future they won't just do the same shiat and threaten gov shut downs and debt defaults if we didn't ban abortion, kill gun control, or fund NPR?

The last three democratic presidents have faced government shutdowns and impeachment threats to varying degrees.

I would just go ahead and assume that when a democrat is president...this is standard operation procedure.


All the Presidents including President Ford have had government shut downs, save president Obama. The ones that were impeached did something wrong, President Nixon wasn't a Democrat if I recall, although I didn't vote for him.

You can't conveniently omit facts and then form an opinion. Well, you can but you look silly when you do.
 
2013-09-30 08:20:32 PM  
And it's 90 days folks.

90 days.

What huge policy concessions are they going to demand in December so that they don't blow this thing up then? Privitization of Social Security?
 
2013-09-30 08:22:15 PM  

birdmanesq: The reason that Obamacare can't get fixed during the normal legislative process is because the extremist, absolutist wing of the Republican Party cannot compromise in good faith. Instead they are forced to attempt to extract unreasonable demands in a hostage-type situation.


The House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 40 times, each time the Senate rejected that. They could have negotiated any one of those times. To suggest that this is a surprise and the Democrat controlled Senate was not given an opportunity to change Obamacare from the overly broad monstrosity that it is today is simply untrue.

You can have your own opinion. You can't have your own facts.
 
2013-09-30 08:22:30 PM  

DeArmondVI: Debeo Summa Credo: DeArmondVI:

Given some of the derp I've seen from my friends on Facebook, I can see that

Is Facebook really that political in practice? I'm not on it but it seems rude to make political comments via Facebook.

From what I've seen from my wife's account Facebook is for 30 something women sharing inane stories about their kids. Fark is for political shiat.

I've got a few leftist derp friends that constantly put up whatever meme picture for PETA they come across, some right winger friends who post links from The Blaze everyday, and a few loony friends who post Infowars links.

Sadly, since I know all parties involved IRL, I kinda wish I wasn't privy to their political views. But, yes, there are plenty of people who view FB as the best vehicle for stating their politics (see: Sarah Palin).


Man, they should all discover fark. It's perfect for anonymous political venting (albeit predominantly populated by left wingers)
 
2013-09-30 08:22:38 PM  
I like how the spin is the government shutdown will tank the economy, but as employers slash worker hours to avoid Obamacare, that health care law isn't going to tank the economy.

Spinning, spinning.
 
2013-09-30 08:22:45 PM  
It's rather sociopathic to insist on sticking the fork in the socket, forcing the issue to see if they can bend reality with just their malice. I wouldn't be surprised if the house refused to fund the government even after a week of shutdown and another credit downgrade. They said they would rather see America burned to the ground than for Obama to succeed. That's what this is. Don't forget it.
 
2013-09-30 08:22:51 PM  

birdmanesq: And it's 90 days folks.

90 days.

What huge policy concessions are they going to demand in December so that they don't blow this thing up then? Privitization of Social Security?


Do you really believe that?
 
2013-09-30 08:23:55 PM  

jbc: feckingmorons: I see the headline has it well put. The House proposed something, the Senate said no.

The senate didn't say, well can we delay it for 3 months? Can we compromise on something, they just said no. They have made up their minds not to negotiate and yet people fault the House.

Why should anyone, much less the US government, negotiate with terrorists?


I'm starting to disagree with the "terrorists" metaphor (and yes, I know it's a metaphor; no one is literally calling them "terrorists") because it's starting to taste a bit emotionalistic. It's almost a sort of Godwinning, and it's adoption by some of the Democratic leadership has emboldened a lot of us to play kind of fast and loose with the comparison.

Make no mistake; the Republicans are definitely negotiating in bad faith. There was a Congressman on NPR earlier today who is clearly buffaloed by the unpopularity of the Republicans and thinks that this is what negotiation looks like. He's utterly convinced that Obama's temporary delay on certain complex ACA provisions mean that the President has put the whole thing on the table and can't figure out why he hasn't caved yet. The idea that the Democrats have simply given all the ground they're going to give has just not occurred to him. It was bizarre to listen to.

/libbiest lib who etc...
 
2013-09-30 08:24:07 PM  

feckingmorons: birdmanesq: The reason that Obamacare can't get fixed during the normal legislative process is because the extremist, absolutist wing of the Republican Party cannot compromise in good faith. Instead they are forced to attempt to extract unreasonable demands in a hostage-type situation.

The House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 40 times, each time the Senate rejected that. They could have negotiated any one of those times. To suggest that this is a surprise and the Democrat controlled Senate was not given an opportunity to change Obamacare from the overly broad monstrosity that it is today is simply untrue.

You can have your own opinion. You can't have your own facts.


Why would you negotiate with someone that is dumping it in the trashcan? Why don't they pass something to make it better and then we can all take a look at that?
 
2013-09-30 08:24:16 PM  

Weatherkiss: rustypouch: orclover: Kit Fister: Debeo Summa Credo: You know, in the left wing derposphere that fark has devolved into I'm considered a far right winger. I think we spend too much and think ACA is a bad law, etc. etc.

But I want to go on record again and say this dance with shutdown and debt ceiling nonsense is petty and childish of the GOP. Ive shifted enough to the right in the past few years that I'd love to vote against the dems but alas the GOP isn't a viable alternative right now.

I feel the same, but nothing about the ACA in general is even bad. Right now progun democrat is the best alternative

ACA is an obomination.  We should have a single payer system.  Obamacare is all we get, its slightly better than having absolutely nothing.  But its a piece of shiat and you know it.

Agreed. But that's what happens when you compromise with Republicans and implement their ideas.

The democrats were spineless. When they had control of the House they should have just rammed through the legislation in one of its more robust forms just like the Rethuglicans did when Bush the Lesser was in office. The moment they took single payer out of the bill, I knew the Republicans wouldn't stop there and would force them to make concession after concession. But then the democrats lost the House and we have this shiat instead.

There's stuff wrong with ACA, but it's thanks to the Democrats being spineless and cowing to Republican demands when they really shouldn't have, and it's certainly a lot better than what we had before. Which was having insurance companies fark everyone over.


Yep. The ACA is an improvement.

But I still can't get over the irony that conservatives considered it a great idea when proposed by the Heritage Foundation, and implemented in Mass. by Romney, but now that a nigge Democrat has used their ideas, it's the worst thing ever and they're willing to blow up the country because of it.

Having a UNC system in the US would be for the best, unless you're an insurance company.
 
2013-09-30 08:24:31 PM  

SlothB77: I like how the spin is the government shutdown will tank the economy, but as employers slash worker hours to avoid Obamacare, that health care law isn't going to tank the economy.

Spinning, spinning.


I agree with you a lot of times but this time I truly believe the GOPs brinksmanship is detrimental and childish.

ACA is garbage but its the law. We just have to deal with it as does the GOP.
 
2013-09-30 08:24:32 PM  

feckingmorons: Carn: feckingmorons: I see the headline has it well put. The House proposed something, the Senate said no.

The senate didn't say, well can we delay it for 3 months? Can we compromise on something, they just said no. They have made up their minds not to negotiate and yet people fault the House.

feckingmorons, I demand you pay for TF for me for 1 year.

What do I get in return, a continuing resolution to fund the government? OK you've got a deal.


You're not paying attention. You'll get nothing. You'll get nothing and like it. That's the compromise, see?
 
2013-09-30 08:24:41 PM  
List of Obamacare exemptions, no you are not on it.

Members of Congress/staffers
24 Hour Fitness
Allied Building Inspectors IUOE Local 211 Welfare Fund
Alpha Omega Home Health, LLC
Andersen Corporation
Bowman Sheet Metal Heating & Air-conditioning
Bricklayers Insurance & Welfare Fund
Bridge, Structural, Ornamental & Reinforcing Ironworkers Local Union No. 60*
Carey Johnson Oil Co, Inc
Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Albany*
Cement Masons' Local No. 502 Welfare Fund
City of Bloomington VEBA Health Savings Plan*
City of Burnsville*
City of Olathe*
Clausen Miller PC
Crystal Run Village, Inc*
Delta Apparel
Discovery Benefits*
Dr. Trailer Repair, Inc.
Employer-Teamsters Local Nos. 175 & 505 Health and Welfare Fund
Entrust
Fabri-Quilt
GC Harvesting, Inc.
Glen Curtis, Inc. #2143
Heritage Christian Services
IBEW Local 3 NYC Electrical Division Health & Welfare Fund
Indiana Area UFCW Union Locals and Retail Food Employers' Health and Welfare Plan
Ingham County
Innovative Driver Services Company
Integrity Data*
Inter-County Hospitalization Plan, Inc.
Jakov P. Dulcich & Sons
Jefferson Rehabilitation Center
JLG Harvesting, Inc.
Johnson Machine Works
Kent County
Laborers' District Council of Virginia Health and Welfare Trust Fund
Laborers National Health and Welfare Fund
Local 1245 Health Fund
Local 237 Teamsters Suffolk Regional Off-Track Betting Corp. Health and Welfare Trust Fund
Local 295 Welfare Fund
Local 381 Group Insurance Fund
Local 805 Welfare Fund
Marble Industry Trust Fund
McGregor Schools ISD #4*
MJ Soffe
MO-Kan Teamsters and Welfare Fund
Mounds View Public Schools*
MVP
North State Bank
North States Industries Inc*
Pathways Inc.
Pavers and Road Builders District Council Welfare Fund
Phoenix Children's Academy
Roofers Local 8 Insurance & Trust Fund
San Bernardino IHSS Public Authority
SCC Healthcare Group, LLP
Schenectady ARC*
Schoharie County ARC*
Sieben Polk Law Firm
Sitel, Inc.
Southern Graphic Communication Health Fund
Springbrook Standalone HRA*
St. Lawrence NYSARC*
Sunview Vineyards of California, Inc.
Tandem Eastern Inc. / Consolidated Transport Systems, Inc.
Taylor Farms
Teamsters Union Local # 35
The Day Care Council/Council of Supervisors and Administrators Welfare Fund
The Public Authority of San Luis Obispo County
The University Financing Foundation, Inc.
The Village of Newark Non-Union Employee Plan*
Theatrical Stage Employees Local One
Tuff Shed, Inc.
U.A. Local 13 & Employers Group Insurance Plan*
UFCW & Participating Food Industry Employers Tri-State Health & Welfare Fund
UFCW Local 1500 Welfare Fund
UFCW Local One Health Care Fund
Ulster Greene ARC*
Westminster-Canterbury of Lynchburg
Wine and Liquor Salesmen of NJ
A-1 Transport
AIDS Council of Northeastern New York
Avon Central School District
Azeros Health Plans, Inc.*
Benton County*
Bessey Tools, Inc.
Canandaigua City Schools*
City of Eagan*
City of Shakopee Post-Employment Health Care Savings Account Plan *
Community Work and Independence Inc.
Continuing Developmental Services
Crystal Cabinet Works, Inc.
CU*Answers, Inc.
Euromarket Designs, Inc., d/b/a Crate and Barrel
First National Bank of Dietrerich
Franziska Racker Centers*
Fridley Public Schools Health Savings Plan*
FSA/SUNYAB-Campus Dining and Shops
Genesee County ARC*
Genesee County Economic Development Corp Health Reimbursement Account*
Grand Island Central School District*
Hammondsport Central School District
Imperial Wholesale, Inc.
Learning Disabilities Association of Western New York
Minnesota State Retirement System Post-Employment Health Care Savings Plan - City of Roseville*
Naples Central School District
Naples Central School District Support Staff
Newark Central School District
Niagara-Wheatfield CSD Self Funded
Panama Central School District
People 1st Health Strategies, Inc.
Pipe Fitters' Welfare Fund, Local 597*
Ron Clark Construction Health reimbursement Arrangement*
Sherman Central School District
Silver Creek Central School District*
Sodus Central School District
Telco Construction
Town of Albion
Town of Chenango
Town of Lockport
Twin City Die Casting*
Western Area Volunteer Emergency Services *
Westfield Academy*
Williamson Central School District
American Radio Association Plan
Carpenters Health and Security Trust of Western Washington
Communicare Health Benefits Trust
District Council 1707 Local 389 Home Care Employees Health & Welfare Fund
Health and Welfare Plan of the Laundry, Dry Cleaning Workers & Allied Industry Health Fund, Workers United
Northern Illinois and Iowa Laborers Health and Welfare Fund
Prell Services
United Food and Commercial Workers Retail Employees and Employers Health and Welfare Plan
A-1 Realty*
AABR*
ABCO Diecasters*
Alfred P. Sloan*
Alizio & Galfunt*
All American Heating and AC*
Allied Pilots Association
Amherst Central School District*
AristaCare at Meadow Springs*
Arthur Sanderson& Sons*
Associated General Contractors of ND Employees*
Autistic Service, Inc.*
Bartech Group
Basf Fuel Cell, Inc.*
Battery Park City Authority*
Battery Park City Conservancy*
Benefit Analysis Inc.*
Blaze SSI*
Blue Beacon
Board of Trustees for the Operating Engineers Local 101 Health and Welfare Fund
Business Wire*
Cargo Ventures*
Carnegie Corporation of NY*
Carpenters Local No. 491 Health & Welfare Plan
Central Laborers' Welfare Fund
Central States, Southeast and Southwest Areas Health and Welfare Fund
City of Cottage Grove*
City of Inver Grove Heights*
City Of Roseville MN*
Clinton Management*
Cloquet Area Fire Department*
Cohen Partners*
Community Bank of Bergen County*
Community Mainstreaming*
Contract Cleaners Service Employees Benefit Trust
Cornerstone Search Group*
D & D Ag Supply and Construction, Inc.*
Dial Senior Management, Inc
Douglaston Development*
Dr. Margaret Andrin, MD FACOG LLC*
Dynasil Corporation*
Echo Molding*
Eighth District Electrical Benefit Fund
Electrical Workers Health and Welfare Fund
Enterprise Concrete Products, LLC Texas
Epilepsy Foundation*
Epilepsy Foundation Northeastern New York*
Evans Chemetics*
Excellus Health Plan
Fairport Central School District*
Goodwill Industries of Central Indiana
Gregory Packaging*
Gulf Coast Health Care
Handcraft Manufacturing Corporation*
Haver Analytics Health Waiver*
Health Care Employees Dental and Medical Trust
Hiawatha Medical, Inc.*
Highfield Gardens Care Center*
Hirsch International*
Hotel, Restaurant & Bar Employees Health and Welfare Fund
Hypex Inc.*
IBEW Local Union No. 126 Health and Welfare Fund
International Union of Operating Engineers, Supplemental Benefit Fund Local 409*
Interstate Connecting Components*
Jacobson Family Investments*
J-B Wholesale Pet Supplies*
JKL International*
Jump, Scutellaro, and Co., LLP*
KC International dba Ekman Recycling*
Kerwin Communications*
Kingstown Capital Management*
Koellman Gear Corporation*
Kramer Electronics*
Lakeview Subacute Care Center*
Langan Engineering and Financial Services, Inc.*
LBDD*
League of Minnesota Cities*
Leisure Properties LLC d/b/a/ Crownline Boats*
Liberty House Nursing Home*
Lifetime Assistance, Inc*
Lincoln Hall*
Local 888 UFCW
Maharishi University of Management
Mamiya America Corporation*
Mandt Reiss & Associates PLLC
Margaret P. Muscarelle Child Dev. Center*
Merrill Farms LLC
Micelli Motors, Inc.*
Midwest Asphalt Corporation *
Midwest Teamsters
Monroe County*
Nassau County Chapter, NYSARC, Inc*
NCHC, Inc.*
New York State Assn. for Retarded Children Erie Co. Chapter dba/Heritage Centers*
NJ Society of CPAs*
North Greece Fire District*
Northern Minnesota-Wisconsin Area Retail Food Health & Welfare Fund
Ogontz Avenue Revitalization Corporation*
Parkview Care and Rehab*
PCB Machining Solutions*
PCB Piezotronics*
Philadelphia Macaroni Company*
Phoenix Partners Group, LP*
Privilege Underwriters, Inc.*
Progressive AE*
Quadrant Capital Advisors, Inc.*
Regency Management Group, LLC*
Rhoads Industries*
Roofers Local #96 Health & Welfare Fund
Rowe and Company, Inc.*
Rush-Henrietta Central School District HRA*
Security Benefit Fund of the Uniformed Firefighters Association of New York City
SEIU Health and Welfare fund, 2000
Seneca Cayuga ARC*
Service Employees 32BJ North Health Benefit Fund*
Sierra Video Systems*
SMEG*
Strategic Industries*
Superior Officers Council Health and Welfare Fund
Teamsters Local Union 966 Health Fund
Techno Source USA*
The Alternative Living Group, Inc.*
The Arc of Otsego (Otsego County Chapter NYSARC, Inc.)*
The Arc of Rensselaer County*
The City of Cloquet*
The Henry Luce Foundation*
The Maritime Aquarium of Norwalk, Inc.*
The Pew Charitable Trusts*
The Rehabilitation Center*
The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation*
Topco*
Totino Grace High School*
Urstadt Biddle Properties*
W.H. Reaves & Co., Inc.*
Walder, Hayden & Brogan, PA*
Walters-Morgan Construction, Inc.
Wellspring Advisors*
West Bergen Mental Healthcare*
Westchester ARC*
Westchester JCS*
Western Beef*
Hollow Metal Trust Fund
Theatrical Teamsters Local 817 IBT Welfare Fund
Vestal Manufacturing Enterprises, Inc.
AccessAbility, Inc.
Ackerman Oil Employee Benefit Trust
Albany County Chapter, NYSARC Inc., DBA New Visions of Albany*
American Eagle Outfitters
Basin Disposal
Bengard Ranch, Inc.
Bestway Rental, Inc
Big Lots, Inc.
Byrd Harvest, Inc.
Cardinal Hayes Home for Children HRA plan*
CDS Administrative Services, LLC
Center for Energy and Environment*
City of Brooklyn Park*
D'Arrigo Bros. Co. of California
Defender Services, Inc.
DineEquity, Inc
Green Leaf Distributors, Inc.
IBEW Local Union No. 728 Family Healthcare Plan
Joseph Gallo Farms
Life Benefit Plan
Luther Automotive Group HRA*
Metrics Inc.
Nueces County Appraisal District
Ocean Properties Ltd
P-R Farms, Inc.
SEIU Health & Welfare Fund
Sports Arena Employees' Local 137 Welfare Fund
Staywell Saipan Basic Plan
Truck Drivers and Helpers Local 355 Health and Welfare Fund
Communications Workers of America, Local 1180 Security Benefits Fund
Health and Welfare Fund of the Detectives' Endowment Association, Inc. Police Department City of New York
Man-U Service Contract Health and Welfare Fund
Paschall Truck Lines, Inc.
SEIU Local 300, Civil Service Forum Employees Welfare Fund
Electrical Welfare Trust Fund
Highmark West Virginia Inc. d/b/a Mountain State Blue Cross Blue Shield
Advocacy and Resource Center*
Amalgamated, Industrial and Toy & Novelty Workers of America, Local 223 Sick Benefit Fund
Atlanta Plumbers & Steamfitters Fringe Benefit Funds
Aurora Consulting Group, Inc.*
Brock Enterprises, Inc.
Central Texas Health and Benefit Trust Fund Locals 520, 60 & 72
Electricians Health, Welfare & Pension Plans I.B.E.W. Local Union No. 995
Essex County Chapter NYSARC, Inc. dba Mountain Lake Services*
Executive Management Services, Inc.
Florida Laborers Health Fund
Fulton County Chapter NYSARC, Inc.*
General Parts, LLC*
Greystone program, Inc*
Hacienda Harvesting, Inc.
IBEW Local No. 640 and Arizona Chapter NECA Health & Welfare Trust Fund
Lone Star Park at Grand Prairie
Louisiana Electrical Health Fund
Maverick, Inc. Employee Health Care Benefits Plan
Memphis Construction Benefit Fund
Mid-South Carpenters Regional Council Health and Welfare Fund
Mountain Lake Services
NECA-IBEW Local 480 Health and Welfare Plan
Plumbers and Pipefitters Welfare Fund of Local Union No. 719
Retiree Plan of the Central States, Southeast and Southwest Areas Health and Welfare Fund
Richmond Community Services*
Sheet Metal Workers Local No. 177 Health and Welfare, Pension and Vacation Funds
Sheet Metal Workers' National Health Fund
South Central Laborers' Health & Welfare Fund
Southeastern Pipetrades Health & Welfare Fund
Telamon Corporation Health Reimbursement Arrangement*
The ARC of Delaware County*
UFCW Local 1262 and Employers Health & Welfare Fund
United Cerebral Palsy of Ulster County, Inc*
Vincent B Zaninovich & Sons, Inc.
Wayne ARC Standalone HRA Section 105 Plan*
Wildwood Program*
Allied Welfare Fund
Becker County Post-Retirement Health Care Savings Plan*
Becker County VEBA*
FIDUCIA*
Triple-S Salud, Inc.
B. R. Company
Britz Companies, ET AL
Century Health and Wellness Benefit Plan and Trust
EBSA Foundation
Encore Enterprises
Faurecia USA Holdings
Goodwill Industries of Kentucky, Inc.
Minnesota Cement Masons Health and Welfare Fund
Plumbers Local Union No. 690 of Philadelphia and Vicinity Health Plan
Robert Heath Trucking Inc
Securitas Security Services USA, Inc.
Sunwest Fruit Company, Inc
The Louis Berger Group, Inc.
United Food & Commercial Workers Unions and Employers Midwest Health Benefits Fund
WD Young& Sons, Inc.
Atlantis Casino Resort Spa
United Food and Commercial Workers and Employers Arizona
Act Trust Mini-Med Plan
Allen's Family Food
Anderson Media Corporation
Blasters, Drillers & Miners Union Local No. 29 Welfare Fund
Care Initiatives, Inc.
Cement and Concrete Workers District Council Welfare Fund Plan
COARC*
Construction Workers Local 147 Welfare Fund
Crystal Run Healthcare
Diamondback Management Services, LTD
Freeman Metal Products
Hardwick Clothes, Inc.
Hronis, Inc.
International Union of Bricklayers & Allied Craftworkers
Isaacson Isaacson Seridan & Fountain, LLP
Katy Industries, Inc.
Landscape, Irrigation and Lawn Sprinkler Industry Health and Welfare Plan and Trust
Local 298 Health Benefit Fund Plan
Local 803 Health and Welfare Fund
Louisiana Laborers Health and Welfare Fund
M.A. Mortenson
Maple Knoll Communities
Marshall Durbin Food Corporation
Minnesota Teamsters Construction Division
Name Brand, Inc.
Oklahoma Goodwill Industries
PepsiCo, Inc
Plumbers & Pipefitters Local Union 823 Health & Welfare Fund
Plumbers & Steamfitters Local No. 6 Health and Welfare Fund
Regent Care Center
Rice Food Markets, Inc.
Rice Food Markets, Inc.
Ricker Oil Company
Skilled Health Care
Southwestern Teamsters Security Fund
Teamsters Local 445 Welfare Plan
Teamsters Local 210 Affiliated Health and Insurance Fund
Teamsters Welfare Fund of Northern New Jersey Local 1723
The Durango Herald
The Talbots, Inc
Town of Frisco Medical Plan
Tudor Ranch
UNITE HERE Local 74 Welfare and Dental Trust
United Employees Health Plans
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1000 and Kroger Dallas Health and Welfare Plan
United Service Employees Union, Local 377, RWDSU, UFCW
WageWorks, Inc
IBEW Local 613 and Contributing Employers Family Health Plan (Union)
Advantage Benefits Company, LLC
Aerospace Contractors' Trust**
AJFC Community Action Plan**
Altisource Portfolio Solutions
American Heritage Life Insurance Company
Americare Properties, Inc.
AMN Healthcare
Andrews Transport L.P.**
Anoka Hennepin Credit Union* **
APWU Health Plan Conversion Plan
Aspen Snowmass**
ATCO Rubber Products, Inc
Baylor County Hospital District
Belk Farms**
Bricklayers Local 1 of MD, VA and DC
Cardon & Associates, Inc**
Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Ogdensburg
Central Mills**
Civil Service Bar Association Security Benefit Fund**
Cotton Belt Inc.**
CPC Logistics Health & Welfare Plan**
Delmarva United Food and Commercial Workers**
Dole Food Company**
EchoStar**
First Acceptance Corporation
Fontanese Folts Aubrecht Ernst Architects, PC**
Forest Products Inc. Group Health Plan**
Fruhauf Uniform Direct Labor
Golden State Bulb Growers, Inc.**
Greater Kansas City Laborers Welfare Fund**
Grower's Transport LLC
Heartland Automotive**
Helfman Enterprises, Inc.**
Hoosier Stamping and Manufacturing Corp.
Horizon Bay Realty LLC**
I.B.E.W. Local 1249 Insurance Fund**
Ingomar Packing Company, LLC
Integra Healthcare, Inc. (Integrity Home Care)**
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers**
International Brotherhood of Trade Unions Health and Welfare Fund - Local 713
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 295-295C Welfare Trust Fund**
International union of Operating Engineers, Local Union Number 137**
Iron Workers Local Union #28 Health and Welfare Fund**
Lamanuzzi & Pantaleo**
Living Resources**
Local 1102 Amalgamated Welfare Fund
Local 1102 Health & Benefit Fund
Local 1102 Welfare Fund-- Lerner Employees
Local 272 Welfare Fund**
Local 338 Affiliated Benefit Funds
Madelia Community Hospital**
Max Homes, Loc**
Medical Development Corporation**
Mesa Air Group**
Mesa Packing**
Michigan Conference of Teamsters Welfare Fund**
Minnesota and North Dakota Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers**
Mission Linen Supply
NFI Industries
Operating Engineers Local 835 Health and Welfare Fund
Opportunity Resources, Inc. Health and Welfare Plan
Orange County AHRC* **
Orscheln Industries
Pacific Risk Management**
Pearson Candy Company
Pinnacle PRM**
Plumbers and Pipefitters Local 430 Health and Welfare Fund**
Progressive Logistics Services**
Pure Air Filter Sales & Service**
Rancho Maria PRM**
Reiter Affiliated Companies**
Retail, Wholesale & Dept. Store Union Local 1034 Welfare Fund
Rio Farms PRM**
Sensient Technologies Corp.
Service Employees International Union Local 1 Cleveland Welfare Fund
SFN Group
Sheet Metal Workers Funds of Local Union 38**
SMWIA 28**
Southeast OBGYN, PC* **
Southern CA Pipe Trades Trust Fund
Southern Operators Health Fund**
Stonebridge Hospitality Associates**
Sun Healthcare Group, Inc.
Teamsters Local 522 Welfare Fund Roofers Division
Teamsters Local Union 72 Welfare Fund**
Telesis Management Corporation
Texas Carpenters and Millwrights Health and Welfare Fund
The Mentor Network
The Wada Farms, Inc.
The Wilks Group, Inc. dba Ashley Furniture Homestore
The Wright Travel Agency**
Town of Grand Island* **
Trans-System, Inc.
True Leaf Farms**
UFCW Local 371 Amalgamated Welfare Fund**
United Crafts Benefits Fund**
United Food & Commercial Workers Unions and Employers Local No. 348 Health & Welfare Fund**
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 1445 New Hampshire
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 1459 and Contributing Employers Health and Welfare Fund**
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 464a**
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 911**
Varsity Contractors, Inc.
Waffle House
Weckworth Manufacturing**
Western Express, Inc.
Western Harvesting PRM Health Plan**
WG Yates and Sons Construction Company**
World Class Automotive**
Yukon-Kuskokwim Health Corporation**
Alaska Pipe Trade U.A. Local 367 Health and Security Trust**
Amalgamated National Health Fund
American Farms, PRM Health Plan**
American Growers Cooling, PRM Health Plan**
AUTO, LP, dba AutoInc. Health Benefit Plan**
Better Way Partners, LLC**
Big Valley Labor, PRM Health Plan**
CB Harvesting, PRM Health Plan**
City of Rockwall**
Cocopah Nurseries, Inc.
Express Harvesting, PRM Health Plan**
Fallen Oak Packing, PRM Health Plan**
FirstCarolinaCare Insurance Company on behalf of Longworth Industries
Foot Locker, Inc.**
Fresh Express
G&H Farms, PRM Health Plan**
Gill Ranch, PRM Health Plan**
Gill Transport, PRM Health Plan**
Gills Onions, PRM Health Plan**
Green Valley Farm Supply, PRM Health Plan**
Greencroft Communities
Growers Express, PRM Health Plan**
Hall Management Group, Inc.**
IH Services**
Independent Group Home Living Program, Inc.
King City Nursery, PRM Health Plan**
Meijer Health Benefits Plan/Primary Care Option
Mission Ranches, PRM Health Plan**
Moore's Retread & Tire of the Ark-La-Tex, Inc.
NOITU Insurance Trust Fund**
Payroll Solutions
Plumbers and Pipefitters Local No. 630 Welfare Fund
Seco Packing
Transcorr
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1000
United Wire, Metal & Machine Health & Welfare Fund**
Western Growers Assurance Trust
Wisconsin United Food & Commercial Workers Unions and Employers Health Plan**
1199SEIU Greater New York Benefit Fund
A. Duda & Sons, Inc.
Adecco Group, Inc.
Biomedic Corporation
Buffets, Inc.
Carington Health System
Cleveland Bakers Teamsters
Club Chef LLC
Columbia Sussex Mgmt, LLC
CRST International Inc.
Darr Equipment, Co.
DC Cement Masons Welfare Fund
Deaconess Long Term Care
Diamond Comic Distributors, Inc.
ECOM Atlantic, Inc.
FW Walton, Inc.
G4S Secure Solutions
GC Services, L.P. & First Community Bancshares, Inc.
Guardsmark, LLC
Indiana Teamsters Health Benefits Fund
Knox County Association for Retarded Citizens
Laundry and Dry Cleaning Workers Local No. 52
Mars Super Markets, Inc.
MPS Group, Inc.
Nexion Health
Noodles & Company
Pharmaca Integrative Pharmacy
Quality Integrated Services, Inc.
RE Rabalais Constructors, LTD
RREMC LLC
Security Forces Inc.
Shirkey Nursing
Social Service Employees Union Local 371
Spindle, Cooling, & Warehouse
Strauss Discount Auto
Sunburst Hospitality
Susser Holding Corp
Telescope Casual Furniture
Teletech Holdings, Inc.
The Brinkman Corporation
The LDF Companies
United Food and Commercial Workers Union (Mount Laurel, NJ)
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1459
Universal Orlando
Valley Services, Inc.
United Food and Commercial Workers and Participating Employers Interstate Health and Welfare Fund
Protocol Marketing Group
Sasnak
Star Tek
Adventist Care Centers
B.E.S.T of NY
Boskovich Farms, Inc
Café Enterprises, Inc.
Capital District Physicians
FleetPride, Inc.
Gallegos Corp
Hensley Industries, Inc.
Jeffords Steel and Engineering
Laborers' International Union of North America Local Union No. 616 Health and Welfare Plan
O.K. Industries
Service Employees Benefit Fund
Sun Pacific Farming Coop
SunWorld International, LLC
UFCW Allied Trade Health & Welfare Trust
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1995
HCR Manor Care
IBEW No.915
Integra BMS for Culp, Inc.
New England Health Care Employees Welfare Fund †
Wiliamson-Dickie Manufacturing Company
Aegis Security Insurance Company †
Alliance One Tobacco
Asbestos Workers Local 53 Welfare Fund
Assurant Health (2nd Application)
Captain Elliot's Party Boats
Carlson Restaurants
CH Guenther & Son
CKM Industries dba Miller Environmental
Caribbean Workers' Voluntary Employees' Beneficiary Health and Welfare Plan †
Darden Restaurants
Duarte Nursery
Employees Security Fund
Florida Trowel Trades
Ingles Markets
Meijer
O'Reilly Auto Parts
Plumbers & Pipefitters Local 123 Welfare Fund
Sun Belt
UFCW Local 227
Uncle Julio's
United Group
US Imaging
Vino Farms
AdvantaStaff, Inc. †
Agricare
Alaska Seafood
American Fidelity
Convergys
Darensberries
Gowan Company
Greystar
Macayo Restaurants
Periodical Services
UniFirst
Universal Forest Products
UFCW Maximus Local 455
American Habilitation Services, Inc. †
GuideStone Financial Resources
Local 25 SEIU
MAUSER Corp.
Preferred Care, Inc.
Ruby Tuesday
The Dixie Group, Inc.
UFCW Local 1262
Whelan Security Company
AMF Bowling Worldwide
Assisted Living Concepts
Case & Associates
GPM Investments
Grace Living Centers
Mountaire Corporation †
Swift Spinning
Belmont Village
Caliber Services
Cracker Barrel
DISH Network
Groendyke Transport, Inc
Pocono Medical Center
Regis Corporation
The Pictsweet Co.
Diversified Interiors
Local 802 Musicians Health Fund
MCS Life Insurance Company †
The Buccaneer
CIGNA
Greater Metropolitan Hotel
Local 17 Hospitality Benefit Fund
GSC-ILA
The Allied Industries Health Fund
Harden Healthcare
Vernon Sheltered Workshop, Inc. Health and Welfare Plan #501
I.U.P.A.T
Sanderson Plumbing Products, Inc.
Transport Workers
United Federation of Teachers Welfare Fund
Aegis
Aetna
Allflex
Baptist Retirement
BCS Insurance
Cryogenic
Fowler Packing Co.
Guy C. Lee Mfg.
HealthPort
Jack in the Box
Maritime Association
Maverick County
Metropolitan D.C. Paving Industry Employees Health and Welfare Fund
PMPS-ILA
PS-ILA
QK/DRD (Denny's)
Reliance Standard
Tri-Pak
United Agricultural Benefit Trust
 
2013-09-30 08:25:09 PM  

feckingmorons: birdmanesq: The reason that Obamacare can't get fixed during the normal legislative process is because the extremist, absolutist wing of the Republican Party cannot compromise in good faith. Instead they are forced to attempt to extract unreasonable demands in a hostage-type situation.

The House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 40 times, each time the Senate rejected that. They could have negotiated any one of those times. To suggest that this is a surprise and the Democrat controlled Senate was not given an opportunity to change Obamacare from the overly broad monstrosity that it is today is simply untrue.

You can have your own opinion. You can't have your own facts.


This is a case where you aren't entitled to your own facts. There was no atten
 
2013-09-30 08:25:37 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: So with single payer, there are no questions asked. You show up, you're ushered in, you get "the same high quality healhtcare" and you physician gets a check. Let's say that I'm unemployed, overweight, eat unhealthy food, smoke like a chimney, don't wear a seat belt etc etc etc...You feel that you are morally responsible to take care of me no questions asked.


As it stands, you go to the emergency room and they patch you up, they send you a bill you can't pay and the rest of us pay through higher hospital bills, either directly or by way of higher premiums.  Healing the patient properly will cost less in the end than putting out fires in the emergency room.

You may argue from moral hazard.  Moral hazard is a fine argument when speaking of speculators getting bailed out by the taxpayers, but it applies at most feebly to health care.  All the single payer in the world won't heal a damaged heart or get you out of a wheelchair.  Unhealthy lifestyles are still going to get you.
 
2013-09-30 08:26:09 PM  
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whar my health care
 
2013-09-30 08:26:15 PM  

feckingmorons: birdmanesq: The reason that Obamacare can't get fixed during the normal legislative process is because the extremist, absolutist wing of the Republican Party cannot compromise in good faith. Instead they are forced to attempt to extract unreasonable demands in a hostage-type situation.

The House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 40 times, each time the Senate rejected that. They could have negotiated any one of those times. To suggest that this is a surprise and the Democrat controlled Senate was not given an opportunity to change Obamacare from the overly broad monstrosity that it is today is simply untrue.

You can have your own opinion. You can't have your own facts.


This seems to be your hang up. You think that repeal is a starting point for negotiation. It's not. Everyone knows it's not a starting point for negotiation. You're not going to convince anyone that it is.

Here, I'll offer to shoot you in the face in exchange for which you never speak in public again or participate in public forums in any way. Now you come back with a counter offer.
 
2013-09-30 08:27:22 PM  

DamnYankees: Peter King is apparently leading a charge of House Moderates - PETER KING! This guy is now king of the moderates?!?!?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359969/moderates-revolt-over-cr -j onathan-strong

King wants to pass a clean continuing-resolution bill. "This is going nowhere," he says about the standoff with Senate Democrats. "If Obamacare is as bad as we say it's going to be, then we should pick up a lot of seats in the next election and we should win the presidency in 2016," he says. "This idea of going through the side door to take something you lost through the front door - to me, it's wrong."


You're not mistaking him for that crayon-eating lunatic Steve King, are you? I keep doing that.
 
2013-09-30 08:28:37 PM  

birdmanesq: feckingmorons: birdmanesq: The reason that Obamacare can't get fixed during the normal legislative process is because the extremist, absolutist wing of the Republican Party cannot compromise in good faith. Instead they are forced to attempt to extract unreasonable demands in a hostage-type situation.

The House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 40 times, each time the Senate rejected that. They could have negotiated any one of those times. To suggest that this is a surprise and the Democrat controlled Senate was not given an opportunity to change Obamacare from the overly broad monstrosity that it is today is simply untrue.

You can have your own opinion. You can't have your own facts.

This is a case where you aren't entitled to your own facts. There was no atten


Er.

There was no attempt made to "fix" Obamacare in those House votes. It was entirely a mission of destruction.

Fortunately our constitutional democracy doesn't work that way.

But, if course, the Tea Party hates the Constitution so they're forced to find ways to bypass normal legislative processes to extort concessions. "I didn't get my way? Fine. I'm coming back with a gun and asking again."

You should be f*cking ashamed of yourself that you are condoning this behavior.
 
2013-09-30 08:28:54 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Dancin_In_Anson: So with single payer, there are no questions asked. You show up, you're ushered in, you get "the same high quality healhtcare" and you physician gets a check. Let's say that I'm unemployed, overweight, eat unhealthy food, smoke like a chimney, don't wear a seat belt etc etc etc...You feel that you are morally responsible to take care of me no questions asked.

As it stands, you go to the emergency room and they patch you up, they send you a bill you can't pay and the rest of us pay through higher hospital bills, either directly or by way of higher premiums.  Healing the patient properly will cost less in the end than putting out fires in the emergency room.

You may argue from moral hazard.  Moral hazard is a fine argument when speaking of speculators getting bailed out by the taxpayers, but it applies at most feebly to health care.  All the single payer in the world won't heal a damaged heart or get you out of a wheelchair.  Unhealthy lifestyles are still going to get you.


Funny when I couldn't pay they sent me to collections, ruined my credit score, and threatened to sue. Maybe its because I'm white.
 
2013-09-30 08:29:27 PM  

SlothB77: I like how the spin is the government shutdown will tank the economy, but as employers slash worker hours to avoid Obamacare, that health care law isn't going to tank the economy.

Spinning, spinning.


Yet we've had dozens of shut down in the past, some for weeks at a time. All that is required is the Senate to agree to delay this law that is causing those employers to cut hours. Heck Obama unilaterally delayed parts of it himeslf (if he can legally do that is another matter), yet the Senate through its leader Harry Reid calls it pointless and refuses to negotiate. They are hours away from a shutdown and the Senate Democrats aren't burning the midnight oil.

The Democrats did manage to tank a bill that would repeal the 2.3 % medical device tax that will cost consumers and hurt medical R&D in this country.
 
2013-09-30 08:29:43 PM  

hasty ambush: List of Obamacare exemptions, no you are not on it.


So much text, and yet not a single citation.
 
2013-09-30 08:29:48 PM  
Why won't the democrats just compromise on a repeal of obamacare?

Or, in bizarro-world, why does the American public keep voting for politicians that support obamacare if everyone wants it repealed?

The politicians that want obamacare repealed are a minority because the American public has already spoken. No take backs.
 
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