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(LA Times)   If the FCC doesn't give UHF the credit it deserves in the next hour, I'm gonna club this baby seal. That's right. I'm gonna club this seal to make a better deal. You know I'll do it, too, cause I'm crazy   (latimes.com) divider line 132
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2013-09-30 03:17:58 PM
This is a pretty big supplies.
 
2013-09-30 03:18:33 PM
Change? Got change, mister?
 
2013-09-30 03:40:01 PM
TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!
 
2013-09-30 03:44:47 PM

Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!


Yeah, they don't get that usually higher frequencies mean less transmission range.

To the author of the article: "Oh, shut up, you pinhead! You make me SICK!"
 
2013-09-30 03:50:43 PM

RedPhoenix122: Yeah, they don't get that usually higher frequencies mean less transmission range.


Someone has been watching Philo and Secrets of the Universe.
 
2013-09-30 03:53:48 PM

minoridiot: Someone has been watching Philo and Secrets of the Universe.


I know how to make plutonium from common household items, if that's what you're implying.

/HI NSA!
 
2013-09-30 03:56:45 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 03:58:57 PM

Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!


Came in to bring this particular nugget up.  Seems a hell of a lot of research the author put into this article...
 
2013-09-30 04:01:37 PM

timujin: Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

Came in to bring this particular nugget up.  Seems a hell of a lot of research the author put into this article...


Like the author actually cares about radio waves, the UHF spectrum, or facts.
 
2013-09-30 04:25:58 PM
I think Conan the Librarian would take care of this author.  "You write garbage!"  Hack
 
2013-09-30 04:25:59 PM

RedPhoenix122: minoridiot: Someone has been watching Philo and Secrets of the Universe.

I know how to make plutonium from common household items, if that's what you're implying.


You have a particle accelerator or a supernova?
 
2013-09-30 04:27:25 PM
As I recall, most of the digital spectrum was in the UHF range and the VHF range was to be deprecated and resold.

Which makes me very confused by this article.
 
2013-09-30 04:27:42 PM

utsagrad123: This is a pretty big supplies.


I thought you had work to do today.... :D
 
2013-09-30 04:27:59 PM
Crucial!

Urgency!

This must be seriously reviewed!

CRUCIAL!  *snort*
 
2013-09-30 04:28:18 PM

Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears


Oh, thanks for including that entire paragraph as I stopped reading TFA at the point quoted above.
 
2013-09-30 04:29:00 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: RedPhoenix122: minoridiot: Someone has been watching Philo and Secrets of the Universe.

I know how to make plutonium from common household items, if that's what you're implying.

You have a particle accelerator or a supernova?


I think Philo covered that in the first episode of the series.
"Their Really Mad Now!"
 
2013-09-30 04:29:51 PM
Been using only an antenna for a decade.
 
2013-09-30 04:30:11 PM
Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Is this code for intelligent design?
 
2013-09-30 04:30:58 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 04:31:32 PM
Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!
 
2013-09-30 04:32:23 PM
Ok, I had to laugh out loud here:

www.trbimg.com

FTA:

it is time to stop treating a UHF channel as a weak sister to a VHF channel.
 
2013-09-30 04:33:01 PM
What About The Mops?
 
2013-09-30 04:33:02 PM
Stop Clubbing, Baby Seals
pandodaily.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-30 04:33:10 PM

BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!


d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-09-30 04:34:15 PM

Titanius Anglesmith: utsagrad123: This is a pretty big supplies.

I thought you had work to do today.... :D


Oh yeah I forgot. This is a business, not a home for irresponsible pus-brains!
 
2013-09-30 04:34:22 PM

MonoChango: I think Conan the Librarian would take care of this author.  "You write garbage!"  Hack


Do you mean Cohen the Boybarian?

/nothing is obscure
 
2013-09-30 04:34:26 PM
ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2013-09-30 04:35:10 PM
Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Not as big a mystery as why The Bourne Supremacy came before The Bourne Ultimatum.
 
2013-09-30 04:35:13 PM
"Take that ridiculous thing off"
 
2013-09-30 04:35:28 PM

special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]


The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt
 
2013-09-30 04:36:32 PM
Lesbian Nazi hookers abducted by space aliens and forced into weight loss clinics, all this thread on FarkTalk.
 
2013-09-30 04:36:50 PM
Badgers?
Badgers?!
WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING BADGERS!
 
2013-09-30 04:37:08 PM
This is an embarrassment. A disgrace. What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?
 
2013-09-30 04:37:39 PM

Nightjars: [ic.pics.livejournal.com image 800x451]


I think I'm going to give my wife a spatula for X-mas.  After all, Nothing says "I love you" like a new spatula.
 
2013-09-30 04:37:43 PM

Gonz: This is an embarrassment. A disgrace. What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?


Help me out of this box, I can't breathe in here. Help, let me out.
 
2013-09-30 04:37:59 PM

Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!


Wow, and they're one of the most-respected news sources of the city at the farking epicenter of the TV industry. That'd be like the Detriot Free Press not understanding what a V8 engine is, and not bothering to look it up.

I'm starting to see how Ric Romero stays employed in that city.

/Yes, I work in TV myself
 
2013-09-30 04:38:18 PM
 Oh, submitter, you've just found an article on the internet. You're a lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!
 
2013-09-30 04:38:28 PM

Gonz: This is an embarrassment. A disgrace. What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?


"Help!  Get me out of this box!"
 
2013-09-30 04:41:46 PM
unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com

Gimme a steak, medium rare.
 
2013-09-30 04:42:18 PM

RedPhoenix122: timujin: Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

Came in to bring this particular nugget up.  Seems a hell of a lot of research the author put into this article...

Like the author actually cares about radio waves, the UHF spectrum, or facts.


That information means about as much to the author as a festering bowl of dog snot.

If you took these reporters' combined IQ and multiplied it by a hundred, you might have enough intelligence to tie your shoe, if you didn't drool all over yourself first.
 
2013-09-30 04:42:40 PM
I got to this part and stopped reading because I had to weep for this man's science education.

Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

/Poor, poor uneducated man.
 
2013-09-30 04:43:40 PM
The transition from analog to digital spectrum has actually made UHF signals stronger than VHF.

WTF
 
2013-09-30 04:44:30 PM
RED SNAPPER, VERY GOOD FISH!
 
2013-09-30 04:45:13 PM

utsagrad123: Titanius Anglesmith: utsagrad123: This is a pretty big supplies.

I thought you had work to do today.... :D

Oh yeah I forgot. This is a business, not a home for irresponsible pus-brains!


Well played. I'd continue with this exchange, but Town Talk is about to come on.
 
2013-09-30 04:46:00 PM

MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]

The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt


Holy shiat I never realized that was Dr. Demento.

/now I have his CD in my head
 
2013-09-30 04:47:12 PM

Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]

The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt

Holy shiat I never realized that was Dr. Demento.

/now I have his CD in my head


How did that happen? Does it hurt?
 
2013-09-30 04:47:29 PM

Titanius Anglesmith: utsagrad123: Titanius Anglesmith: utsagrad123: This is a pretty big supplies.

I thought you had work to do today.... :D

Oh yeah I forgot. This is a business, not a home for irresponsible pus-brains!

Well played. I'd continue with this exchange, but Town Talk is about to come on.


I set my DVR to record "Town Talk" AND "Fun with Dirt" so I know how I'll be spending this afternoon.  Sure I had to delete Breaking Bad, but totally worth it.
 
2013-09-30 04:50:59 PM

Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]

The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt

Holy shiat I never realized that was Dr. Demento.

/now I have his CD in my head


Well he did give Al his big break with the bathroom recording of "another one rides the bus"
and dude your not suppose to throw those CD's that fast.  Switch to mp3's, they don't hurt as much.
 
2013-09-30 04:51:44 PM
The reporter's lack of science fundamentals notwithstanding, the thrust of the article is about the business implications of removing the UHF "discount".  By limiting the number of stations that can be owned by a media group, the change has massive political implications for republican-leaning companies like Sinclair broadcasting.
 
2013-09-30 04:51:49 PM

fusillade762: Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Not as big a mystery as why The Bourne Supremacy came before The Bourne Ultimatum.


Bourne Penultimatum?
 
2013-09-30 04:52:14 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

/Yeah, I'm old.
 
2013-09-30 04:52:22 PM
This is my new mop. George, my friend, he gave me this mop. This is a pretty good mop. It's not as good as my first mop. I miss my first mop, but this is still a good mop. Sometimes you just hafta take what life gives ya, 'cause life is like a mop and sometimes life gets full of dirt and crud and bugs and hairballs and stuff... you, you, you gotta clean it out. You, you, you gotta put it in here and rinse it off and start all over again and, and sometimes, sometimes life sticks to the floor so bad you know a mop, a mop, it's not good enough, it's not good enough. You, you gotta get down there, like, with a toothbrush, you know, and you gotta, you gotta really scrub 'cause you gotta get it off. You gotta really try to get it off. But if that doesn't work, that doesn't work, you can't give up. You gotta, you gotta stand right up. You, you gotta run to a window and say, "Hey! These floors are dirty as hell, and I'm not gonna take it any more!"
 
2013-09-30 04:53:08 PM
Rabbit ears were used for VHF, goddammit!  The circular face was for UHF!  And prior to the widespread use of the remote control the more distinguishable trait of UHF was getting off your ass and walking up to the television to rifle through stations by manually turning a knob that clicked for every station.  And if you did it too fast or sat too close to the TV you were yelled at by parents with little scientific data to cite reasons for moving away from the TV.

In Boston you had to manually flip 13 stations as fast as possible to go from 25 to 38, and another 18 stations to 56.  Unless you were some PBS dweeb and stopped on 44 to watch Romper Room for the second time that day after you saw it on channel 2.  Pff.  Losers.
 
2013-09-30 04:53:43 PM
Anyone else have a hankerin' for a twinkie wiener sandwich?
 
2013-09-30 04:54:54 PM
Now THAT'S what I call a great headline.
 
2013-09-30 04:55:19 PM

Bith Set Me Up: [unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com image 480x357]

Gimme a steak, medium rare.


I think of this every time I see Ben Kingsley in a promo for Ender's Game. He's the whitest, shortest, skinniest Maori warrior ever.
 
2013-09-30 04:55:23 PM
Okay. Right now I'd like to show you one of my favorite cartoons. It's a sad, depressing story about a pathetic coyote who spends every waking moment of his life in the futile pursuit of a sadistic roadrunner who *mocks* him and *laughs* at him as he's repeatedly *crushed* and *maimed*! Hope you'll *enjoy* it!
 
2013-09-30 04:57:21 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: RedPhoenix122: minoridiot: Someone has been watching Philo and Secrets of the Universe.

I know how to make plutonium from common household items, if that's what you're implying.

You have a particle accelerator or a supernova?


Well that's what she called it last night, but we'll keep that between us mmmkay?
 
2013-09-30 04:57:26 PM
I'm confused. So poodles now cannot fly?

/RF engineer by education
//Won't comment on the reporter's "research".
 
2013-09-30 04:59:13 PM

timujin: Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

Came in to bring this particular nugget up.  Seems a hell of a lot of research the author put into this article...



But the frequency has nothing to... god...  Stop.  Stop, just stop.
 
2013-09-30 05:01:36 PM

special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]


A guy I've known since highschool says he went to gradeschool with that kid (someone would've had to move across the state), but I haven't bothered to verify it in nearly twenty years since he told me.

I forget that most if not all of the film was shot in Tulsa, but I've bothered to spend more time there han it takes to pass through.
 
2013-09-30 05:02:12 PM

Titanius Anglesmith: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]

The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt

Holy shiat I never realized that was Dr. Demento.

/now I have his CD in my head

How did that happen? Does it hurt?


The headache is unbearable. I will have it surgically removed in two days, so I have to stave off the bleeding until then.

MonoChango: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

Well he did give Al his big break with the bathroom recording of "another one rides the bus"
and dude your not suppose to throw those CD's that fast.  Switch to mp3's, they don't hurt as much.


I'm not a dude! I will remember about the tossing CDs tho. I've heard about this thing called "ripping" and all.. guess I will look into it.
 
2013-09-30 05:04:50 PM

RedPhoenix122: Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

Yeah, they don't get that usually higher frequencies mean less transmission range.



Per a given amount of power, this is still true. Unfortunately with DTV the VHF bands seem to be complete shiat for reception, compared to the UHF. Like many other places, we had a High VHF analog channel and were given a UHF channel to broadcast during the transition. Remember the days of broadcasting both analog and digital?

Most of us planned to convert our analog to a digital after analog went away, so we could continue to be "Newschannel 3" or "ActionNews 7".

Turns out that the High VHF channels converted to digital at the power level the FCC suggested didn't carry for SHIAT. We actually went back to our UHF transmitter, because everyone could pick *that* one up. Even after we *doubled the power* of the VHF, it still doesn't carry as far in digital as the UHF does.

Used to be the other way 'round, when a bit of static or multipath was just a ghost or a crackle, instead of in digital when multipath means NO PICTURE FOR YOU, BUD.

Now the broadcast channel makes no difference, because the way the datastream is arranged the channel number you see when you tune to an off air ATSC signal can be *any damn number you want*. (shrug)

\we're broadcasting on a UHF and our channel says a high VHF number
 
2013-09-30 05:07:40 PM

Any Pie Left: The reporter's lack of science fundamentals notwithstanding, the thrust of the article is about the business implications of removing the UHF "discount".  By limiting the number of stations that can be owned by a media group, the change has massive political implications for republican-leaning scum sucking miserable rat-bastard companies like Sinclair broadcasting.


FTFY
 
2013-09-30 05:08:20 PM
someone on my cable provider is airing 'UHF' this month... I just set it to be recorded this morning.  what a coinky-dink.
 
2013-09-30 05:09:37 PM
Fran Drescher....(like the Hammer of Thor...)
 
2013-09-30 05:09:54 PM

Nana's Vibrator: you were yelled at by parents with little scientific data to cite reasons for moving away from the TV.


Because scientific evidence indicates that you make a better door than a window?

/IOW you're opaque
 
2013-09-30 05:11:43 PM

Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves adverbs, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!


FTFY.  Looks like the La Times needs to start hiring from someplace other than oDesk or Elancer.  Sure 30 articles for $3 sounds like a good deal, but you get what you pay for.
 
2013-09-30 05:13:07 PM

phantomerick: Fran Drescher....(like the Hammer of Thor...)


Fran Drescher was in Saturday Night Fever, This is Spinal Tap, and UHF. And that was all before she hit it really big with The Nanny.

/she almost looks better now without the damn frizzy hair.
 
2013-09-30 05:17:10 PM
its weird that al will have to pay the price
 
2013-09-30 05:17:23 PM
 
2013-09-30 05:18:48 PM

Anastacya: Titanius Anglesmith: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]

The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt

Holy shiat I never realized that was Dr. Demento.

/now I have his CD in my head

How did that happen? Does it hurt?

The headache is unbearable. I will have it surgically removed in two days, so I have to stave off the bleeding until then.

MonoChango: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

Well he did give Al his big break with the bathroom recording of "another one rides the bus"
and dude your not suppose to throw those CD's that fast.  Switch to mp3's, they don't hurt as much.

I'm not a dude! I will remember about the tossing CDs tho. I've heard about this thing called "ripping" and all.. guess I will look into it.


Accept my apologies.  It is hard to guess gender by text.. I suppose I should actually read names and try to extrapolate before I reply but who has time for that.  Besides, it's been my experience that chics don't like being called "Dames"
 
2013-09-30 05:19:39 PM
www.craveonline.com

//hot
 
2013-09-30 05:21:52 PM
buzzaurus.com

TWINKIE WEINER SANDWICHES!
 
2013-09-30 05:22:10 PM
"Honest. We were just experimenting on surplus UHF sidebands and then this shiat happened .."

static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-09-30 05:23:26 PM

phantomerick: Fran Drescher....(like the Hammer of Thor...)


I agree with you. And then I think about the noises she'd make in the throes of ecstasy.

And then things get weird.
 
2013-09-30 05:25:13 PM

MonoChango: Anastacya: Titanius Anglesmith: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]

The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt

Holy shiat I never realized that was Dr. Demento.

/now I have his CD in my head

How did that happen? Does it hurt?

The headache is unbearable. I will have it surgically removed in two days, so I have to stave off the bleeding until then.

MonoChango: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

Well he did give Al his big break with the bathroom recording of "another one rides the bus"
and dude your not suppose to throw those CD's that fast.  Switch to mp3's, they don't hurt as much.

I'm not a dude! I will remember about the tossing CDs tho. I've heard about this thing called "ripping" and all.. guess I will look into it.

Accept my apologies.  It is hard to guess gender by text.. I suppose I should actually read names and try to extrapolate before I reply but who has time for that.  Besides, it's been my experience that chics don't like being called "Dames"


"Dames?"

It's BROADS!

How can you botch that quote?

What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?
 
2013-09-30 05:25:47 PM

CheapEngineer: RedPhoenix122: Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

Yeah, they don't get that usually higher frequencies mean less transmission range.


Per a given amount of power, this is still true. Unfortunately with DTV the VHF bands seem to be complete shiat for reception, compared to the UHF. Like many other places, we had a High VHF analog channel and were given a UHF channel to broadcast during the transition. Remember the days of broadcasting both analog and digital?

Most of us planned to convert our analog to a digital after analog went away, so we could continue to be "Newschannel 3" or "ActionNews 7".

Turns out that the High VHF channels converted to digital at the power level the FCC suggested didn't carry for SHIAT. We actually went back to our UHF transmitter, because everyone could pick *that* one up. Even after we *doubled the power* of the VHF, it still doesn't carry as far in digital as the UHF does.

Used to be the other way 'round, when a bit of static or multipath was just a ghost or a crackle, instead of in digital when multipath means NO PICTURE FOR YOU, BUD.

Now the broadcast channel makes no difference, because the way the datastream is arranged the channel number you see when you tune to an off air ATSC signal can be *any damn number you want*. (shrug)

\we're broadcasting on a UHF and our channel says a high VHF number


My wife is still pissed that her little hand held Casio doesn't work anymore.  I've just pretty much stopped watching tv.  It's too much of a pain to receive a channel with enough power to reliably watch a tv show all the way through.
 
2013-09-30 05:27:24 PM

BigNumber12: FIRE


They found the magic marble in the oatmeal?
 
2013-09-30 05:28:18 PM
WTF. I swear I quoted your whole post.

/guess I don't get to drink from the fire hose.
 
2013-09-30 05:28:46 PM

trappedspirit: The transition from analog to digital spectrum has actually made UHF signals stronger than VHF.

WTF


Indeed.  The lower the frequency, the farther it tends to go because it is attenuated less by the atmosphere and objects like trees or buildings.  Go down far enough, and the radio waves actually reflect off of the ionosphere or are tunneled through the troposphere.  It isn't uncommon to get AM signals from a different continent if conditions are right.

Because of these differences, there is a huge difference in the amount of power required to punch through the atmosphere.  In the US, VHF-Lo (ch2-6) stations are limited to 45KW and VHF-Hi (ch7-13) are limited to 160KW.  Canada limits VHF-Lo/Hi to 100KW/325KW.  Both countries limit UHF to 1MW.

Even then, UHF reception can suck when it is raining or snowing.  And if your antenna points through trees, your signal really drops with UHF.


/FYI, very few stations stayed on VHF-Lo when they went digital
//you need really large antennas, the band is plagued by RF noise, ch6 is close to low FM radio stations and there were concerns that the FCC power limits were too low
 
2013-09-30 05:29:13 PM

FirstNationalBastard: How can you botch that quote?

What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?


utsagrad123: Gonz: This is an embarrassment. A disgrace. What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?

Help me out of this box, I can't breathe in here. Help, let me out.

 
2013-09-30 05:29:17 PM

fusillade762: Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Not as big a mystery as why The Bourne Supremacy came before The Bourne Ultimatum.


Because it was a final ultimatum. My TV Guide told me so.
 
2013-09-30 05:31:14 PM
Anyone from the NY/NJ Metro area in their 40's remember U68? It's where I first saw Voivod and St.Vitus. Through snow.

Good times.
 
2013-09-30 05:31:53 PM

MonoChango: Anastacya: Titanius Anglesmith: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 320x170]

The best part of that gif is Dr. Demonto in the audience waring a yellow shirt

Holy shiat I never realized that was Dr. Demento.

/now I have his CD in my head

How did that happen? Does it hurt?

The headache is unbearable. I will have it surgically removed in two days, so I have to stave off the bleeding until then.

MonoChango: Anastacya: MonoChango: special20: BigNumber12: Sounds like the FCC gets to drink from... the FIRE HOSE!

Well he did give Al his big break with the bathroom recording of "another one rides the bus"
and dude your not suppose to throw those CD's that fast.  Switch to mp3's, they don't hurt as much.

I'm not a dude! I will remember about the tossing CDs tho. I've heard about this thing called "ripping" and all.. guess I will look into it.

Accept my apologies.  It is hard to guess gender by text.. I suppose I should actually read names and try to extrapolate before I reply but who has time for that.  Besides, it's been my experience that chics don't like being called "Dames"


Heh. Dames is a hell of a lot nicer than some things I have been called...
 
2013-09-30 05:32:16 PM

MonoChango: FirstNationalBastard: How can you botch that quote?

What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?

utsagrad123: Gonz: This is an embarrassment. A disgrace. What do you think R.J. Fletcher Senior would be saying if he were alive today?

Help me out of this box, I can't breathe in here. Help, let me out.


i10.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-30 05:33:22 PM

Anastacya: Heh. Dames is a hell of a lot nicer than some things I have been called...



Heck me too
:-)
 
2013-09-30 05:41:02 PM

MonoChango: I think Conan the Librarian would take care of this author.  "You write garbage!"  Hack


Meanwhile, I'm STILL waiting for Ghandi II to come out.  It's about halfway between Duke Nukem Forever and Godot on the impatience scale.
 
2013-09-30 05:47:16 PM
And if someone comes in, takes the stall right freakin next to you when there's five available, and grunts and makes biblical fart noises, just give it up. Because its gone. This just happened. I'll be ok. I didn't even have a wide stance.
 
2013-09-30 05:58:06 PM

jmayson: I'm confused. So poodles now cannot fly?


Oh MAN!
 
2013-09-30 05:59:38 PM

germ78: Lesbian Nazi hookers abducted by space aliens and forced into weight loss clinics, all this thread on FarkTalk.


Just wait until those Lesbian Nazi hookers meet that gay Jewish black dude.
 
2013-09-30 06:05:38 PM
qfta:

Remember when you had to jiggle an antenna on your TV set to get good reception for a UHF signal?
Well, those days are long gone


AH HAHA HAHA HAHAHHHA HHHAAAAHAHHHHAHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!1!

I live in a huge city with extremely powerful transmitters, have a clear and close shot at all the broadcast antennae, have spent hundreds of dollars on all kinds of home antennae and still can't get all the major network stations.

AH HAHA HAHA HAHAHHHA HHHAAAAHAHHHHAHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!1!
 
2013-09-30 06:05:43 PM

Jclark666: Bith Set Me Up: [unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com image 480x357]

Gimme a steak, medium rare.

I think of this every time I see Ben Kingsley in a promo for Ender's Game. He's the whitest, shortest, skinniest Maori warrior ever.


Ben Kingsley is Indian, Kenyan, Maori, hell, he's whatever he wants to be!   Even he doesn't know what he is.

/Though as he was born Krishna Pandit Bhanji I guess Mohandus Gandhi wasn't that much of a stretch.
 
2013-09-30 06:06:45 PM

Son of Thunder: jmayson: I'm confused. So poodles now cannot fly?

Oh MAN!


When my son was 6 or 7 I bought the movie on DVD. We were watching it in his room on the 2nd story. That scene came on and we both looked at the new poodle puppy my wife had just bought, looked at each other, and then grinned.

/We resisted the urge
//But did go out for seals later
 
2013-09-30 06:06:52 PM

taoistlumberjak: Badgers?
Badgers?!
WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING BADGERS!


Unlike turtles, nature's suction cup...
 
2013-09-30 06:07:59 PM

Gonz: phantomerick: Fran Drescher....(like the Hammer of Thor...)

I agree with you. And then I think about the noises she'd make in the throes of ecstasy.

And then things get weird.


With that voice, if I ever hit Drescher, it wouldn't be LIKE a hammer, it'd be WITH a hammer.  I'll reconsider if I ever go deaf.
 
2013-09-30 06:08:48 PM

ciberido: Jclark666: Bith Set Me Up: [unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com image 480x357]

Gimme a steak, medium rare.

I think of this every time I see Ben Kingsley in a promo for Ender's Game. He's the whitest, shortest, skinniest Maori warrior ever.

Ben Kingsley is Indian, Kenyan, Maori, hell, he's whatever he wants to be!   Even he doesn't know what he is.

/Though as he was born Krishna Pandit Bhanji I guess Mohandus Gandhi wasn't that much of a stretch.


He did play guitar for the Beatles one night...There's a documentary on Netflix with stories of people who met the Beatles. He's one of them.
 
2013-09-30 06:13:09 PM
Club two baby seals for matching mukluks.

Mukluk.

That word is comedy gold.
 
2013-09-30 06:14:53 PM
reellibrarians.files.wordpress.com

Don't you know the dewey decimal system!
 
2013-09-30 06:15:41 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Rabbit ears were used for VHF, goddammit!  The circular face was for UHF!  And prior to the widespread use of the remote control the more distinguishable trait of UHF was getting off your ass and walking up to the television to rifle through stations by manually turning a knob that clicked for every station.  And if you did it too fast or sat too close to the TV you were yelled at by parents with little scientific data to cite reasons for moving away from the TV.

In Boston you had to manually flip 13 stations as fast as possible to go from 25 to 38, and another 18 stations to 56.  Unless you were some PBS dweeb and stopped on 44 to watch Romper Room for the second time that day after you saw it on channel 2.  Pff.  Losers.


Hysterical. What was the deal with that? how did boston get two PBS stations?

The worst was I wasn't always strong enough to turn the knob so i'd turn real hard but then it would overshoot and end up some channel higher. So I'd have to turn back but might have the same problem. My hand and wrist would start to get tired and I'd just hope to land on something that wasn't static.

Sometimes Villa Allegre on channel 44 was the best you could get so you settled for it.
 
2013-09-30 06:30:20 PM
Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

If anyone's actually curious:

UHF signals resonate on a smaller wavelength, meaning that a longer straight or branched antenna can pick up a lot of noise.  The smaller "ring" geometry on UHF-specialized antennae (if you've bought a modern antenna, you've probably got one) reduces this problem by reducing secondary resonants and interaction geometries so on, and by simple dint of being comparatively short.  But in the days when the standard was to just have the rabbit ears, the end result was weaker signals for higher channels.

//I think I did a decent job of pushing that down to standard-internet-knowledge level, sorry if I didn't.
//Digital doesn't have this problem because it depends solely on the presence or absence of a signal and timing to transmit data, rather than the relative strength of three slightly different frequencies to paint a picture with a cathode.
 
2013-09-30 06:43:33 PM
Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!
 
2013-09-30 06:45:18 PM

Weidermeijer: Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!


It has one of the best commentary tracks ever.
 
2013-09-30 06:45:47 PM

Weidermeijer: Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!


Nobody watched it in the theater. But it became an underground cult hit once it hit VHS.
 
2013-09-30 07:01:56 PM

umad: WTF. I swear I quoted your whole post.

/guess I don't get to drink from the fire hose.


You pea-brained yokel. You make me want to puke!
 
2013-09-30 07:02:55 PM
That should join forces and become the UFC.
 
2013-09-30 07:03:39 PM
This thread means about as much to me as a festering bowl of dog snot.
 
2013-09-30 07:08:17 PM

Shryke: Ok, I had to laugh out loud here:

[www.trbimg.com image 600x294]

FTA:

it is time to stop treating a UHF channel as a weak sister to a VHF channel.


I think she has a whole deck of cards to play
 
2013-09-30 07:16:32 PM
All of this is making me remember the fateful day I taught poodles how to fly. You farmers are awesome!

/ fly, Fifi, fly!
// oh man!
 
2013-09-30 07:18:06 PM

MooseUpNorth: Weidermeijer: Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!

Nobody watched it in the theater. But it became an underground cult hit once it hit VHS.


Orion had some stupid name and picked a bad time to launch it. Videot from UHF? or some such nonsense.

It had a bad name and it's for the best that Orion is bankrupt now.
 
2013-09-30 07:25:45 PM

uber humper: Shryke: Ok, I had to laugh out loud here:

[www.trbimg.com image 600x294]

FTA:

it is time to stop treating a UHF channel as a weak sister to a VHF channel.

I think she has a whole deck of cards to play


Should I feel dirty for LOLing? Wait, this is Fark! Hell no!
 
2013-09-30 07:28:10 PM

viscountalpha: Orion had some stupid name and picked a bad time to launch it. Videot from UHF? or some such nonsense.


Vidiots from UHF is indeed how it was titled in Europe, yeah.
 
2013-09-30 07:31:38 PM

viscountalpha: MooseUpNorth: Weidermeijer: Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!

Nobody watched it in the theater. But it became an underground cult hit once it hit VHS.

Orion had some stupid name and picked a bad time to launch it. Videot from UHF? or some such nonsense.

It had a bad name and it's for the best that Orion is bankrupt now.


From IMDB:
After extremely positive feedback from test screenings, the struggling Orion Pictures concluded that this film was their sure-fire summer blockbuster. Unfortunately, the film was released during the summer of 1989 against huge films like Lethal Weapon 2, Batman and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. "UHF" was subsequently crushed at the box office. Although it made $6.5 million domestic box office on a $5-million production budget, this estimate does not take into account that studios only take in generally half of its theatrical gross, the rest going to exhibitors. Following another string of box-office flops, Orion went bankrupt in the early 1990s.
 
2013-09-30 07:45:23 PM

Fireproof: Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

Wow, and they're one of the most-respected news sources of the city at the farking epicenter of the TV industry. That'd be like the Detriot Free Press not understanding what a V8 engine is, and not bothering to look it up.

I'm starting to see how Ric Romero stays employed in that city.

/Yes, I work in TV myself


The L.A. Times is still owned by the Chicago Tribune Company, am I right? They also own KTLA Channel 5 in L.A.? Why didn't they ask one of their engineers about this?
 
2013-09-30 08:08:00 PM

CheapEngineer: RedPhoenix122: Ivo Shandor: TFA: For those of you born after the days of rabbit ears, UHF stands for ultra high frequency and refers to channels above 13. A UHF signal was not as strong as a VHF signal. VHF stands for very high frequency and refers to channels 2 through 13. Why "ultra" was weaker than "very" when it seems that it should have been the other way around will just have to remain a mystery.

Farking electromagnetic waves, how do they work?

Or to stick with the theme of this thread,

STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

Yeah, they don't get that usually higher frequencies mean less transmission range.


Per a given amount of power, this is still true. Unfortunately with DTV the VHF bands seem to be complete shiat for reception, compared to the UHF. Like many other places, we had a High VHF analog channel and were given a UHF channel to broadcast during the transition. Remember the days of broadcasting both analog and digital?

Most of us planned to convert our analog to a digital after analog went away, so we could continue to be "Newschannel 3" or "ActionNews 7".

Turns out that the High VHF channels converted to digital at the power level the FCC suggested didn't carry for SHIAT. We actually went back to our UHF transmitter, because everyone could pick *that* one up. Even after we *doubled the power* of the VHF, it still doesn't carry as far in digital as the UHF does.

Used to be the other way 'round, when a bit of static or multipath was just a ghost or a crackle, instead of in digital when multipath means NO PICTURE FOR YOU, BUD.

Now the broadcast channel makes no difference, because the way the datastream is arranged the channel number you see when you tune to an off air ATSC signal can be *any damn number you want*. (shrug)

\we're broadcasting on a UHF and our channel says a high VHF number


Yeah I haven't bothered with television since the 90s, save a brief month long stint back in '07. I was living in the middle of nowhere and had no internet. I had an antenna on the back of the house where I could get (out of NYC) 2 in color between 10pm and 6am, not at all otherwise, 4 in color most of the time, 5 and 7 in black and white and a little static in the audio, 9 and 11 were nigh unwatchable, and 13 was in color but with horrible audio and bad herringbone.

My parents had much the same after 9/11, but before that they could actually watch all those channels. After the conversion, not even an antenna at an elevation of 1300'(40' above grade) would get them anything but a bluescreen.

I kinda miss local broadcast TV. It has a certain air of nostalgia about it. Also, the morning paper. Someday I'll live somewhere again where the news is in print and relevant.
 
2013-09-30 08:34:36 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: RedPhoenix122: minoridiot: Someone has been watching Philo and Secrets of the Universe.

I know how to make plutonium from common household items, if that's what you're implying.

You have a particle accelerator or a supernova?


i40.tinypic.com

/It's unlicensed.
 
2013-09-30 08:57:25 PM

CheapEngineer: Turns out that the High VHF channels converted to digital at the power level the FCC suggested didn't carry for SHIAT. We actually went back to our UHF transmitter, because everyone could pick *that* one up. Even after we *doubled the power* of the VHF, it still doesn't carry as far in digital as the UHF does.


Didn't the FCC require full power analog VHF stations to cut their power output by like 80% when transitioning to digital?  Apparently they revised it to only a 50% cut, but that's still quite a hit.

Also, didn't a lot of people ditch their old VHF rabbit ears + UHF loops for newer "HD ready" indoor antennas that had little or no gain on the VHF band?
 
2013-09-30 09:10:50 PM
Mignon Clyburn looks like someone in that room deliberately brought up Michael Richards once too often.

/Or mispronounced her name.
 
2013-09-30 09:11:00 PM

Dinjiin: CheapEngineer: Turns out that the High VHF channels converted to digital at the power level the FCC suggested didn't carry for SHIAT. We actually went back to our UHF transmitter, because everyone could pick *that* one up. Even after we *doubled the power* of the VHF, it still doesn't carry as far in digital as the UHF does.

Didn't the FCC require full power analog VHF stations to cut their power output by like 80% when transitioning to digital?  Apparently they revised it to only a 50% cut, but that's still quite a hit.


They gave us a license for a power level that they said "would replicate the coverage area of analog". Not even frickin close. We were about 1/3 of our analog power (which is hard to calculate, because analog power was Peak power, and digital is Average power). VHF high especially is just too damn dirty for the tuners to assemble enough square pixels together to make a picture.

Also, didn't a lot of people ditch their old VHF rabbit ears + UHF loops for newer "HD ready" indoor antennas that had little or no gain on the VHF band?

Only the people who listened to the crap the people selling Digital Antennas were telling them.

\it's not rocket surgery
 
2013-09-30 09:23:30 PM

Weidermeijer: Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!


Fark's love of "obscure" 80's comedies is half the reason I keep coming back. And I'm pretty sure badmouthing Weird Al will get you shot around here.
 
2013-09-30 09:30:29 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Nana's Vibrator: Rabbit ears were used for VHF, goddammit!  The circular face was for UHF!  And prior to the widespread use of the remote control the more distinguishable trait of UHF was getting off your ass and walking up to the television to rifle through stations by manually turning a knob that clicked for every station.  And if you did it too fast or sat too close to the TV you were yelled at by parents with little scientific data to cite reasons for moving away from the TV.

In Boston you had to manually flip 13 stations as fast as possible to go from 25 to 38, and another 18 stations to 56.  Unless you were some PBS dweeb and stopped on 44 to watch Romper Room for the second time that day after you saw it on channel 2.  Pff.  Losers.

Hysterical. What was the deal with that? how did boston get two PBS stations?

The worst was I wasn't always strong enough to turn the knob so i'd turn real hard but then it would overshoot and end up some channel higher. So I'd have to turn back but might have the same problem. My hand and wrist would start to get tired and I'd just hope to land on something that wasn't static.

Sometimes Villa Allegre on channel 44 was the best you could get so you settled for it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkps_M9U7-o

takes until :25 to start.

What an awful ear worm.
 
2013-09-30 09:59:32 PM
'm'y nuts?
i500.listal.com
 
2013-09-30 10:47:05 PM
From Al's Twitter, he was in Tulsa for some UHF 25th anniversary thing...

distilleryimage3.ak.instagram.com
 
2013-09-30 10:47:26 PM

MooseUpNorth: Weidermeijer: Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!

Nobody watched it in the theater. But it became an underground cult hit once it hit VHS.


It could have been a huge hit in theaters, but executives made the "brilliant" decision to release it at the same time as Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Tim Burton's Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Ghostbusters 2 and Honey I Shrunk The Kids. UHF never stood a chance.
 
2013-09-30 11:07:18 PM

Bith Set Me Up: MooseUpNorth: Weidermeijer: Holy Crap... I didn't know ANYONE watched that movie except me!!!

Nobody watched it in the theater. But it became an underground cult hit once it hit VHS.

It could have been a huge hit in theaters, but executives made the "brilliant" decision to release it at the same time as Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Tim Burton's Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Ghostbusters 2 and Honey I Shrunk The Kids. UHF never stood a chance.


I always thought of it as one of the Basic Cable All-Star movies back in the early 90's.
 
2013-09-30 11:18:55 PM
 
2013-09-30 11:44:50 PM
George Newman starts where the others stop. "Sex with furniture, your thoughts." ...hands mic to old lady...
 
2013-10-01 01:21:52 AM
LOVE this movie. However, I remember the day I had my mind blown when I found out, RJ Fletcher, Jr:
3.bp.blogspot.com

was in reality:

makeupmag.com
 
2013-10-01 02:58:22 AM
See more people taking up Republican Negotiating tactics.


Mugging is no longer a crime, it is just negotiations.
 
2013-10-01 04:50:22 AM

shtychkn: See more people taking up Republican Negotiating tactics.


Mugging is no longer a crime, it is just negotiations.


Taxes have been around a lot longer than Republicans. Yet they're simply legalized mugging backed by overwhelming force. Why do you feel the need to single out one party when they're all guilty of perpetuating the same paradigms?
 
2013-10-01 07:29:52 AM

MonoChango: My wife is still pissed that her little hand held Casio doesn't work anymore.


Those things were *GREAT* for power outages and the like, when you needed to get local information.  Like a battery powered radio, but you could actually *SEE* the radar image the weatherman was talking about, etc.
 
2013-10-01 10:52:39 AM
Broads don't belong in broadcasting.
 
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