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(Guardian)   Not everyone likes the idea of selling breast cancer awareness: "If 'awareness' is spending $1,000 on a pair of pink shoes, count me out. What I care about is the actual women with cancer." Bonus: author is a breast cancer survivor   (theguardian.com) divider line 120
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2013-09-30 01:21:52 PM
Not that I don't understand her point but I think she's missing the bigger point, which is this: When you buy a "pink" purchase you are simultaneously getting something of value AND donating 20% to breast cancer charities.

Someone may not want to just fork over $1,000 to a breast cancer charity, and otherwise might not even think to donate $200 to a breast cancer charity, but they really like those shoes, and while they might be a little steeply priced (normally too much to purchase), $200 does go to charity, so they are willing to splurge "for a good cause." This way both vendor and charity win.
 
2013-09-30 01:35:03 PM

nmrsnr: : When you buy a "pink" purchase you are simultaneously getting something of value AND donating 20% to breast cancer charities.


Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

Some charities do good, some do well.
 
2013-09-30 01:35:46 PM
 
2013-09-30 01:40:33 PM
If 20% of pink purchases goes to help people with breast cancer, a bunch of healthy people are doing very nicely with the other 80% from your good intentions. Do those who get rich off the sick have their own room in hell? If they do, let's hope it's a large one.

DIAF, Komen.
 
2013-09-30 01:41:28 PM
Clearly the most important thing is posting about a non existent vacation or bra color on Facebook.
 
2013-09-30 01:44:36 PM
Wait, "Buckets For A Cure" is a real thing?

Note to self:  Add "Please spice, bread, and deep fat-fry my tumors" language to my last will and testament.
 
2013-09-30 01:44:51 PM
img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-09-30 01:44:58 PM
Years ago when breast cancer wasn't being taking seriously the awareness campaign really helped. Now women are aware of the risks, know what their options are for treatment, and research grants are being awarded for breast cancer.

Awareness has run its course. There needs to be a "lobbying for medical research" charity where thousands of donations can turn into millions of government dollars.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:21 PM
But slacktivism is the only thing that makes me feel good about myself!
 
2013-09-30 01:46:00 PM
www.supportourribbons.com

/B&W for your coloring pleasure.
 
2013-09-30 01:46:23 PM
There's GOT to be a better women's charity than Komen. But, they've, pretty much, trademarked the color pink.

Maybe, we can show support to the women, in our lives, by helping them feel any changes. Maybe then, we could get a hand on all of this breast cancer.

/ support women's health, by feel up the boobies

// I keed
 
2013-09-30 01:46:37 PM
You would do 100 times more good to go to your local chemo clinic and hand the next person walking out the door $50.
 
2013-09-30 01:48:25 PM
Hate pink month. Hate. Hate. Hate.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!

I can't even buy farking mushrooms anymore without donating to that massive piece of shiat Komen foundation. Fark you Komen. Fark you pink month.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!
 
2013-09-30 01:50:34 PM

nmrsnr: Not that I don't understand her point but I think she's missing the bigger point, which is this: When you buy a "pink" purchase you are simultaneously getting something of value AND donating 20% to breast cancer charities.

Someone may not want to just fork over $1,000 to a breast cancer charity, and otherwise might not even think to donate $200 to a breast cancer charity, but they really like those shoes, and while they might be a little steeply priced (normally too much to purchase), $200 does go to charity, so they are willing to splurge "for a good cause." This way both vendor and charity win.


Yup. A concise explanation of why charity branding can be effective.

what_now: Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

Some charities do good, some do well.


This is also true.

Barbara Ehrenreich's book Bright-Sided has a trenchant and eloquent critique of the "pink" bullshiat, from the perspective of a breast cancer patient. I recommend it.
 
2013-09-30 01:50:40 PM
Im sick of hearing from these cancer people. Cancer is good. If everyone everywhere never got cancer we'd live way too long and be a drain on society because of medical costs for unrelated ailments. We'd all live to like 110 years old. Cancer is mother nature saying "look, you've had a good run, but youre like 80 farking years old. What are you gonna do now? Gonna reproduce? Gonna build a house or catch some fish for your family? No? fark off then".

And then there's the sensitive "hey, my mom/grandma/uncle/mailman/massage therapist died of cancer that's not funny" types. fark off. we all get cancer. You probably have some form of it right now.

Now the little tykes with swollen, bald blimp-like heads. Yah that's tragic. But do they have to be so goddamn positive? Oh little timmy looks like a space odyssey starchild with a five head but he's such a hero! He's not a hero, he drew the short straw.
 
2013-09-30 01:51:10 PM
That's really insensitive to the executive staff of these charities. They'll barely be able to pay for that pink yacht they named "It's Not A Tumor".
 
2013-09-30 01:53:32 PM
Wait 'til you see the new Nikes.
Pink was all that was left.
 
2013-09-30 01:53:53 PM
My mom is a breast cancer survivor.  She's getting the genetic test done to see if it runs in our family.  Obviously, I'm nervous.  But everyone in the family is aware of the risks and possibilities of getting this cancer.   What we need is a cure.
 
2013-09-30 01:53:55 PM
And this is why whenever I get asked to donate to Komen I look up a local women's health provider in the area of the walk / run / etc and donate directly to them with a note describing why.
 
amo [TotalFark]
2013-09-30 01:54:59 PM

ChuckRoddy: Years ago when breast cancer wasn't being taking seriously the awareness campaign really helped. Now women are aware of the risks, know what their options are for treatment, and research grants are being awarded for breast cancer.

Awareness has run its course. There needs to be a "lobbying for medical research" charity where thousands of donations can turn into millions of government dollars.


Here's my problem with breast cancer awareness. Yes, it's a terrible disease. Yes, the disease is insidious, easy to miss, and lethal when not caught early. Yes, for survivors, it's psychologically damaging to remove pieces of yourself that help define who you are.

But what's the number one killer of women? Heart attacks.

The symptoms are not as well known as for men, and we don't do a whole lot to promote awareness. But bring up the subject of female breasts, and everyone wants to get on board.
 
2013-09-30 01:55:30 PM
 
2013-09-30 01:55:49 PM
How come women's groups aren't up in arms about pink being the color picked for a "womens"  disease? Isn't that sexist, and making assumptions of preferences based on gender?  They seem to love getting their titties in a twist over things like that.
 
jvl
2013-09-30 01:56:31 PM

what_now: Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.


20% to Research
40% to Education
13% to Screening
5% to Treatment

I fail to see a problem here, other than they dared to cease funding Planned Parenthood (which does squat for breast cancer) which resulted in them being demonized.
 
2013-09-30 01:57:12 PM
It's a business now.

Also, breast cancer is not the most important disease out there, yet receives a disproportionate amount of attention. It does a disservice to health promotion.
 
2013-09-30 01:57:31 PM
I'm gonna start a white ribbon campaign for prostate cancer.

/maybe brown
 
2013-09-30 01:57:41 PM

nmrsnr: Not that I don't understand her point but I think she's missing the bigger point, which is this: When you buy a "pink" purchase you are simultaneously getting something of value AND donating 20% to breast cancer charities.


Technically, you're donating 1% to breast cancer charities, 19% to breast cancer charity marketing and overhead, 1 or 2% toward the making of the 'thing of value', and the remaining 78 or 79% towards a corporate jet or second yacht.
 
2013-09-30 01:58:40 PM

Fallout Boy: It's a business now.

Also, breast cancer is not the most important disease out there, yet receives a disproportionate amount of attention. It does a disservice to health promotion.


Exactly.  Whats the deal here?  There are so many diseases, so many cancers, and many of them are much more widespread and lethal than breast cancer.

But it gets a whole month and all this money.  Nothing else gets anywhere near that.
 
2013-09-30 01:58:42 PM

Inchoate: Barbara Ehrenreich's book Bright-Sided has a trenchant and eloquent critique of the "pink" bullshiat, from the perspective of a breast cancer patient. I recommend it.


Oh sweet, it's online. Do read, if the subject interests you!

Baron Krelve: crapstream of ITG trolling


You are trying too hard, dude.
 
2013-09-30 01:59:28 PM
and the men with cancer can just die, mirite op??
 
2013-09-30 01:59:56 PM

nmrsnr: Not that I don't understand her point but I think she's missing the bigger point, which is this: When you buy a "pink" purchase you are simultaneously getting something of value AND donating 20% to breast cancer charities.

Someone may not want to just fork over $1,000 to a breast cancer charity, and otherwise might not even think to donate $200 to a breast cancer charity, but they really like those shoes, and while they might be a little steeply priced (normally too much to purchase), $200 does go to charity, so they are willing to splurge "for a good cause." This way both vendor and charity win.


Yeah, but MOST of that money NEVER makes it to any type of research about cancer.
 
2013-09-30 02:00:06 PM

Fallout Boy: It's a business now.

Also, breast cancer is not the most important disease out there, yet receives a disproportionate amount of attention. It does a disservice to health promotion.


I think it's because of boobies.
 
2013-09-30 02:01:46 PM
Sex sells.
 
2013-09-30 02:01:50 PM

Baron Krelve: Im sick of hearing from these cancer people. Cancer is good. If everyone everywhere never got cancer we'd live way too long and be a drain on society because of medical costs for unrelated ailments. We'd all live to like 110 years old. Cancer is mother nature saying "look, you've had a good run, but youre like 80 farking years old. What are you gonna do now? Gonna reproduce? Gonna build a house or catch some fish for your family? No? fark off then".

And then there's the sensitive "hey, my mom/grandma/uncle/mailman/massage therapist died of cancer that's not funny" types. fark off. we all get cancer. You probably have some form of it right now.

Now the little tykes with swollen, bald blimp-like heads. Yah that's tragic. But do they have to be so goddamn positive? Oh little timmy looks like a space odyssey starchild with a five head but he's such a hero! He's not a hero, he drew the short straw.



You're trying too hard.
 
2013-09-30 02:02:12 PM

jvl: what_now: Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

20% to Research
40% to Education
13% to Screening
5% to Treatment

I fail to see a problem here, other than they dared to cease funding Planned Parenthood (which does squat for breast cancer) which resulted in them being demonized.


40% Education = brand marketing.
 
jvl
2013-09-30 02:04:42 PM

whither_apophis: jvl: what_now: Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

20% to Research
40% to Education
13% to Screening
5% to Treatment

I fail to see a problem here, other than they dared to cease funding Planned Parenthood (which does squat for breast cancer) which resulted in them being demonized.

40% Education = brand marketing.


Really? I've never seen any marketing. Just fundraising ads which is only 10% of their expenses. (The other 10% is admin).
 
2013-09-30 02:06:35 PM

amo: But what's the number one killer of women? Heart attacks.

The symptoms are not as well known as for men, and we don't do a whole lot to promote awareness. But bring up the subject of female breasts, and everyone wants to get on board.


I remember a few "red for heart disease" women's awareness campaigns over the past several years. So there isn't *nothing*, but your point does stand. The mildly titillating (no pun intended) nature of breast cancer in the public image is attractive indeed.

whither_apophis: I'm gonna start a white ribbon campaign for prostate cancer.

/maybe brown

Interestingly, it's been argued by some doctors that prostate cancer should be detected and treated less aggressively than it currently is, because the cancer usually develops quite slowly and because treatments often cause incontinence, impotence and poor health in men who would otherwise be fine.

That doesn't mean that it isn't important. I'd like to see at least an occasional sop to the tiny minority of breast cancer patients who are male, as well; sometimes they have difficulty accessing breast cancer resources that, while well-intentioned, haven't considered both genders in their operations.
 
2013-09-30 02:07:02 PM

beer belly: You would do 100 times more good to go to your local chemo clinic and hand the next person walking out the door $50.


This. My mother is a breast cancer survivor. I won't give one damned dime to Komen or any other group who thinks that "pinkwashing" is a good way to line their pockets while exploiting the real need of those who suffer from breast cancer.

If you really want to help, provide a direct donation to any number of organizations that actually provide assistance to those dealing with cancer.
 
2013-09-30 02:08:29 PM

NkThrasher: And this is why whenever I get asked to donate to Komen I look up a local women's health provider in the area of the walk / run / etc and donate directly to them with a note describing why.


YES. DO THIS. These local agencies with their boots on the actual ground are overworked, tired, underfunded and genuinely do give a genuine shiat about everyone who comes through their doors terrified of what lies ahead. Help these groups.
 
2013-09-30 02:09:09 PM
http://www.dslrf.org

Far better than Komen if you want to donate money for breast cancer research from what I've heard.

Bonus points to the person who suggested giving $50 to people walking out of chemo treatment.

/weed probably also accepted
 
2013-09-30 02:09:22 PM

tbhouston: and the men with cancer can just die, mirite op??


cdn.lulztruck.com
 
2013-09-30 02:09:40 PM

whither_apophis: jvl: what_now: Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

20% to Research
40% to Education
13% to Screening
5% to Treatment

I fail to see a problem here, other than they dared to cease funding Planned Parenthood (which does squat for breast cancer) which resulted in them being demonized.

40% Education = brand marketing.


Exactly, "education" doesn't mean sending doctors to school for advanced breast cancer treatments, it means the marketing, licensing and overhead of getting the stupid pink ribbon on every consumer good available.

Sending $20 to a real cancer research facility would do more good than sending $2000 to Susan G Komen.
 
2013-09-30 02:09:49 PM

ChuckRoddy: Years ago when breast cancer wasn't being taking seriously the awareness campaign really helped. Now women are aware of the risks, know what their options are for treatment, and research grants are being awarded for breast cancer.

Awareness has run its course. There needs to be a "lobbying for medical research" charity where thousands of donations can turn into millions of government dollars.


I've long felt that this is also the case with drunk driving.  Back in the 70s, driving drunk was pretty much OK.  Finally we did a great job of making it illegal and socially unacceptable, and created an industry dedicated to eliminating the problem 100%.  We hit the point of diminsishing returns a while ago, but the industry is also partially concerned with preserving it's own existence and will just keep going forever if we let it.  It's hard to admit when you've won.
 
2013-09-30 02:09:54 PM

jvl: what_now: Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

20% to Research
40% to Education
13% to Screening
5% to Treatment

I fail to see a problem here, other than they dared to cease funding Planned Parenthood (which does squat for breast cancer) which resulted in them being demonized.


I think it had something to do with the executive management being hardcore conservatives, the former CEO running as governor of some southern state on a campaign to end Planned Parenthood, Ari Fleischer being one of their spokesmen and their president being a socialite rubbing elbows with and running campaign fundraisers for other W. Bush lackeys. But I've forgotten the specifics.
 
2013-09-30 02:11:54 PM

Inchoate: Inchoate: Barbara Ehrenreich's book Bright-Sided has a trenchant and eloquent critique of the "pink" bullshiat, from the perspective of a breast cancer patient. I recommend it.

Oh sweet, it's online. Do read, if the subject interests you!

Baron Krelve: crapstream of ITG trolling

You are trying too hard, dude.


Someone needs to cut the wifi in his moms basement.
 
2013-09-30 02:12:22 PM
Would it not be a lot cheaper to just make Breast Cancer illegal?
 
2013-09-30 02:14:04 PM

what_now: nmrsnr: : When you buy a "pink" purchase you are simultaneously getting something of value AND donating 20% to breast cancer charities.

Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

Some charities do good, some do well.


Exactly.
 
2013-09-30 02:14:08 PM
I'd like to see them research for the cause. Why is this happening? Why is Marin County, CA a cancer cluster for BC? It's not like there's some genetic pocket in that county, which is an area where lots of people move through.
 
2013-09-30 02:14:11 PM
Screw pink ribbons.  As a cancer survivor myself (blood cancer), where is the love?  My ex (and still close friend) is a breast cancer survivor as well.  Neither one of us would give a dime to awareness campaigns, especially not Komen.  There are some really, really good charities out there, but raising awareness is nonsense.  Everyone is well aware (and terrified) of cancer.  Money needs to go to two places, research institutes (mostly universities) and programs that actively help patients (my chemo cost roughly $250,000, thankfully I have insurance that covered all but $5,000).  Chemo is brutal.  Having to go through something like a double mastectomy/hysterectomy is horrific.  We're both young, so we were able to stay somewhat healthy and active, but it still took everything we had and we're both still dealing with long term side effects.  Find a charity that helps cancer patients pay their bills, clean their houses, or helps with buying food.  We were both lucky to have partners who could pick up the slack and do all the chores.  Not everyone is so lucky.
 
2013-09-30 02:14:24 PM
What month is testicle cancer month? And will everyone wear a certain color that month? As a matter of fact what month is ANY other cancer month?
 
2013-09-30 02:15:38 PM

jvl: whither_apophis: jvl: what_now: Unless it's Komen. Then, your donating money to the Susan G Komen fund, which does very very little to cure or prevent cancer, and even less to support those who have cancer.

20% to Research
40% to Education
13% to Screening
5% to Treatment

I fail to see a problem here, other than they dared to cease funding Planned Parenthood (which does squat for breast cancer) which resulted in them being demonized.

40% Education = brand marketing.

Really? I've never seen any marketing. Just fundraising ads which is only 10% of their expenses. (The other 10% is admin).


with in that 40% are things like, "We need a fleet of Top of the live RV/Tour Bus, with a custom pink wrap. To take to the Major outdoor events. so we can hand out....pamphlets"
 
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