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(MLive.com)   In case you haven't noticed, and since it's Detroit no one has, Matthew Stafford has set the record for most yards from a QB in his first 50 games. Fark: It's been 49 games   (mlive.com) divider line 67
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2013-09-30 12:47:02 PM  
Having Megatron to throw to certainly does not hurt
 
2013-09-30 12:47:47 PM  
In a pass happy league on a super pass happy team.

I'm not a big Stafford fan despite him being on my fantasy team this and last year.

He throws the ball up for grabs way too often to be a top-level QB
 
2013-09-30 12:49:01 PM  
Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.
 
2013-09-30 12:56:46 PM  
That's not a record. Not every possible statistic is a record. Just like Payton Manning did not break the record for most touchdown passes in the first four games of a season. That's not a record. It's just a statistic to give tv football analysts something to talk about.
 
2013-09-30 12:57:51 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Having Megatron to throw to certainly does not hurt


A quick glance shows that Megatron picked up 4,897 yards in games where Stafford was Detroit's leading passer.  That doesn't account for games where Stafford got hurt and left early, but it means that over 1/3 of those yards were to Megatron.
 
2013-09-30 12:58:20 PM  
Detroit Lions QB Matthew Stafford off to best 50-game start in NFL history

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2013-09-30 12:59:24 PM  
It helps that all of his first 50 games are starts, and that the Lions are frequently trailing (and almost never leading by enough to start killing clock) so he throws the ball a lot, and that whenever he feels like it he can just throw the ball in Megatron's direction and chances are he'll find a way to come down with it.
 
2013-09-30 12:59:26 PM  
And yet he's still a giant bro-douche.
 
2013-09-30 01:06:49 PM  

Beer cap: slayer199: Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.

So, Bears fan then?


My thoughts as well.

/Sunday's win was delicious
 
2013-09-30 01:08:35 PM  
They didn't even need to pass yesterday. Bush gashed the Bears front 7.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:59 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Having Megatron to throw to certainly does not hurt


Yeah, he has megatron.  But he also has a receiving corps that breaks their arm fumbling pizzas.  so that kinda cancels out.
 
2013-09-30 01:11:18 PM  
I'm a Lions fan, and I think Stafford is pretty decent, but he's basically the football equivalent of Allen Iverson or Carmelo Anthony.

If you throw the ball a lot (or shoot it a lot), you'll rack up a lot of yards (or points) even if you're not particularly efficient.
 
2013-09-30 01:13:43 PM  

flak attack: NuttierThanEver: Having Megatron to throw to certainly does not hurt

A quick glance shows that Megatron picked up 4,897 yards in games where Stafford was Detroit's leading passer.  That doesn't account for games where Stafford got hurt and left early, but it means that over 1/3 of those yards were to Megatron.


You still have to have a good QB to make the throws.  Anquan Boldin was a top tier receiver in Arizona with Kurt Warner, but merely solid in Baltimore with Flacco while receiving significantly less targets
 
2013-09-30 01:15:05 PM  

flak attack: but it means that over 1/3 of those yards were to Megatron.


Yeah, you tend to throw more to your actual targets than to the Nate Burlesons and Titus Youngs of the world.

/also, over 1/3 when most offenses don't really have all that many threats isn't particularly weird.
 
2013-09-30 01:15:44 PM  
50 games in an 16 game season is just wierd parsing of the data to me.  And yes I know it is because 50 is a nice round number, but why not go by seasons?

It would be like saying a baseball players has the most homeruns ever in his first 200 games. It just sounds wierd.

All it tells me in Stafford's case is that he threw for more yards in 3 seasons +1 game.  Seems rather arbitrary.
 
2013-09-30 01:16:35 PM  
Teams whose QBs put up numbers like that tend to have really shiatty defenses.
 
2013-09-30 01:16:44 PM  

Beer cap: So, Bears fan then?


No.  Just a long-suffering Detroit Lions sorta-fan.  They're my hometown team, but I can't really get into rooting for a team that has ONE PLAYOFF WIN in my lifetime...and I'm closer to 50 than 40.  It's ridiculous.  You have to work hard to be as inept as the Lions have been the last 56 years (the last time they won a championship).  I'm not a fair-weather fan...but I can't really fully endorse the Lions because of their long history of ineptitude.  I've been telling people when the Lions put back to back 10+ win season, I'll start believing.

I watch the games, but I'm never surprised when they lose...I'm going to state that their 3-1 start is fools gold.  They'll likely go 9-7...as a tease to get people thinking that they're so much closer to being a contender...only to go 6-10 next season.  It's the Lions...I expect mediocrity.

Look how they "finished" the game against the Bears.  You put a team away when you have them down by that much...GOOD teams do that.  Not the Lions...they gave the Bears a shot at coming back.  I honestly would have laughed if the Bears ended up completing the comeback...because I expect the Lions to be just good enough to break your heart.
 
2013-09-30 01:18:04 PM  

bluenote13: but why not go by seasons?


Because injuries have prevented him from breaking that record.
 
2013-09-30 01:22:45 PM  
The thing that impresses me the most about the "50 games list" is not Stafford, since he's is a pretty unique situation (Megatron, typically come-from-behind games, indoor home stadium), but that Marino is fourth on that list which is a little bit before the "let's cripple the defenses completely" era began (but I think also included the tail end of the "stick 'um" era).
 
2013-09-30 01:39:16 PM  
I'm not psychic, but somehow I think he'll still have that record after game 50.
 
2013-09-30 01:41:31 PM  

AntonChigger: Beer cap: slayer199: Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.

So, Bears fan then?

My thoughts as well.

/Sunday's win was delicious


The Lions absolute dominance of the Bears in recent years has just been so satisfying, hasn't it?
 
2013-09-30 01:44:00 PM  

SlagginOff: AntonChigger: Beer cap: slayer199: Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.

So, Bears fan then?

My thoughts as well.

/Sunday's win was delicious

The Lions absolute dominance of the Bears in recent years has just been so satisfying, hasn't it?


Don't know if you're trolling or just exaggerating, but I wouldn't go that far.  However, both games that the Lions won against the Bears in the last couple years, if I remember correctly, had a Detroit Lions runner (Jahvid Best or Reggie Bush) just destroying the Bears D.  Its fun to watch.  Bears fans get way more upset than most when they lose.
 
2013-09-30 01:51:21 PM  

bluenote13: It would be like saying a baseball players has the most homeruns ever in his first 200 games. It just sounds wierd.


Ummm... that is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that baseball stat people tend to pull out all of the time. (Actually, it would be more like "the most number of home runs in the first 200 games played at night when 72 degrees", but still.)
 
2013-09-30 01:51:28 PM  

AntonChigger: SlagginOff: AntonChigger: Beer cap: slayer199: Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.

So, Bears fan then?

My thoughts as well.

/Sunday's win was delicious

The Lions absolute dominance of the Bears in recent years has just been so satisfying, hasn't it?

Don't know if you're trolling or just exaggerating, but I wouldn't go that far.  However, both games that the Lions won against the Bears in the last couple years, if I remember correctly, had a Detroit Lions runner (Jahvid Best or Reggie Bush) just destroying the Bears D.  Its fun to watch.  Bears fans get way more upset than most when they lose.


It's sarcasm. Lions fans celebrate like it's the super bowl when they beat the Bears, it's cute.
 
2013-09-30 01:55:10 PM  

SlagginOff: AntonChigger: SlagginOff: AntonChigger: Beer cap: slayer199: Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.

So, Bears fan then?

My thoughts as well.

/Sunday's win was delicious

The Lions absolute dominance of the Bears in recent years has just been so satisfying, hasn't it?

Don't know if you're trolling or just exaggerating, but I wouldn't go that far.  However, both games that the Lions won against the Bears in the last couple years, if I remember correctly, had a Detroit Lions runner (Jahvid Best or Reggie Bush) just destroying the Bears D.  Its fun to watch.  Bears fans get way more upset than most when they lose.

It's sarcasm. Lions fans celebrate like it's the super bowl when they beat the Bears, it's cute.


Hey, we take what we can get.
 
2013-09-30 02:00:57 PM  

AntonChigger: SlagginOff: AntonChigger: SlagginOff: AntonChigger: Beer cap: slayer199: Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.

So, Bears fan then?

My thoughts as well.

/Sunday's win was delicious

The Lions absolute dominance of the Bears in recent years has just been so satisfying, hasn't it?

Don't know if you're trolling or just exaggerating, but I wouldn't go that far.  However, both games that the Lions won against the Bears in the last couple years, if I remember correctly, had a Detroit Lions runner (Jahvid Best or Reggie Bush) just destroying the Bears D.  Its fun to watch.  Bears fans get way more upset than most when they lose.

It's sarcasm. Lions fans celebrate like it's the super bowl when they beat the Bears, it's cute.

Hey, we take what we can get.


Exactly.  Long experience has taught us that.
 
2013-09-30 02:07:19 PM  

Joe_diGriz: bluenote13: It would be like saying a baseball players has the most homeruns ever in his first 200 games. It just sounds wierd.

Ummm... that is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that baseball stat people tend to pull out all of the time. (Actually, it would be more like "the most number of home runs in the first 200 games played at night when 72 degrees", but still.)


Guess I am thinking, in most cases, where games are the indicator is it with pitchers.  That makes sense to me.  When it comes to position players I am used to seeing stats by seasons or AB's and not really 'most whatever in x games' just because it is an abitrary number.
 
2013-09-30 02:40:15 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Having Megatron to throw to certainly does not hurt


Yep, if you have a receiver capable of catching anything thrown within 50 yards of him in triple coverage you're going to be a "good" QB.

If Stafford didn't have a glass jaw he'd have probably 2-3k more yards just because of that.

/Missed Megatron by 1 pick in FF.....bitter.
 
2013-09-30 02:45:05 PM  

SlothB77: Yeah, he has megatron.  But he also has a receiving corps that breaks their arm fumbling pizzas.  so that kinda cancels out.


I'm still at a loss for words on that one.  I mean, I can kind of see it, you're driving down the freeway, digging through your pizza box to get a slice, suddenly your car is bathed in red light, you know it's brake lights and probably about to rear end somebody, so you slam on the brakes and jerk the wheel to the left, and your arm gets smashed.

But  sober?!
 
2013-09-30 02:46:32 PM  
The Lions absolute dominance of the Bears in recent years has just been so satisfying, hasn't it?


The dominance in this game was plenty, thanks!
We understand you're butthurt, but hey! You'll always have 1985!
 
2013-09-30 02:48:37 PM  

Beer cap: slayer199: Nobody noticed because it's the Lions and they suck.

So, Bears fan then?


I'm a Bears fan and I hope I don't appear to be shiatting on this thread when I ask this question: Does he also have the worst win/loss record through his first 50 games? I'm guessing most QBs who have records as bad as the Lions don't get 50 chances.

/ I'm not suggesting Stafford shouldn't have gotten 50 starts; obviously not all Detroit's woes are his fault.
/ he's my Fark Fantasy starter; I don't hate the guy. I actually like seeing the Lions be competitive. But God, Sunday was painful to watch.
 
2013-09-30 02:48:39 PM  

SlagginOff: It's sarcasm. Lions fans celebrate like it's the super bowl when they beat the Bears, it's cute.


How would one know what Lions fans celebrate a Super Bowl like?
 
2013-09-30 02:53:53 PM  

doubled99: You'll always have 1985


The obvious retort for a Bears fan would be to say that you'll always have 1957.
 
2013-09-30 02:55:53 PM  
didn't he still have an overall losing record to teams above .500?
 
2013-09-30 02:55:54 PM  
It's the steroids era for QBs in the NFL. Not a big surprise that a mediocre guy jacks 50 HRs.

Of course, the way the NFL is going QBs are going to be rewriting the records every year.
 
2013-09-30 02:58:13 PM  

Scruffinator: SlothB77: Yeah, he has megatron.  But he also has a receiving corps that breaks their arm fumbling pizzas.  so that kinda cancels out.

I'm still at a loss for words on that one.  I mean, I can kind of see it, you're driving down the freeway, digging through your pizza box to get a slice, suddenly your car is bathed in red light, you know it's brake lights and probably about to rear end somebody, so you slam on the brakes and jerk the wheel to the left, and your arm gets smashed.

But  sober?!


well they did say no alcohol was involved...doesn't mean he wasn't baked.
 
2013-09-30 03:00:27 PM  
I took Stafford on a low bid and tossed him on my bench - I already have Brees.  So if anyone's interested, he's just burning a roster spot hole on my bench and I don't want to hold onto him through Brees' bye week.
He's got a fat face and just looks like an underachiever.
 
2013-09-30 03:05:08 PM  

AdamK: didn't he still have an overall losing record to teams above .500?


He's now like 2-23 or something like that. Pretty impressive.

doubled99: The Lions absolute dominance of the Bears in recent years has just been so satisfying, hasn't it?


The dominance in this game was plenty, thanks!
We understand you're butthurt, but hey! You'll always have 1985!


Is this a Lions fan taking a dig at the Bears current super bowl drought? Nice.
 
2013-09-30 03:05:40 PM  

skrame: I'm a Bears fan and I hope I don't appear to be shiatting on this thread when I ask this question: Does he also have the worst win/loss record through his first 50 games? I'm guessing most QBs who have records as bad as the Lions don't get 50 chances.


I did a little bit of research (here):

It doesn't answer my question exactly, but it appears likely he's not the worst through 50 games. Among active QBs with 50+ games, Stafford has the third worst total record. Thanks, David Carr and Ryan Fitzpatrick. :)

Player     Pct     Gms
Tom Brady     0.773    203
Ben Roethlisberger     0.674    144
Peyton Manning     0.673    248
Joe Flacco     0.67    97
Matt Ryan     0.667    87
Aaron Rodgers     0.652    89
Philip Rivers     0.61    123
Vince Young     0.608    51
Drew Brees     0.593    182
Tony Romo     0.574    101
Eli Manning     0.573    150
Jay Cutler     0.556    99
Mark Sanchez     0.544    68
Michael Vick     0.541    110
Alex Smith     0.537    81
Matt Schaub     0.534    88
Rex Grossman     0.529    51
Matt Hasselbeck     0.521    163
David Garrard     0.513    78
Kyle Orton     0.507    69
Matt Cassel     0.469    64
Carson Palmer     0.441    127
Jason Campbell     0.437    71
Josh Freeman     0.407    59
Matthew Stafford     0.4    50
Ryan Fitzpatrick     0.36    68
David Carr     0.291    79
 
2013-09-30 03:16:38 PM  
He did spend a few months banging Maria Sharapova, so he has that going for him.

Oh, and he also making about 5 million a year (in base salary after a big signing bonus).

Also, QB win-loss records might be the stupidest stat.  By that logic, Drew Brees was not a good Qb last year because his team was 7-9.  QB win loss is dumb because you have no control, as the QB, about how the defense plays.   Might as well judge how good an offensive lineman is based on W/L.
 
2013-09-30 03:19:31 PM  
He throws 19 screen passes in his next game, all for losses...ends up under the number after 50 games.
 
2013-09-30 03:24:07 PM  

skrame: I did a little bit of research (here):

It doesn't answer my question exactly, but it appears likely he's not the worst through 50 games. Among active QBs with 50+ games, Stafford has the third worst total record. Thanks, David Carr and Ryan Fitzpatrick. :)



Well Vince Young is in the top 10, so I guess he's great
 
2013-09-30 03:50:30 PM  

skrame: I did a little bit of research (here):

It doesn't answer my question exactly, but it appears likely he's not the worst through 50 games. Among active QBs with 50+ games, Stafford has the third worst total record. Thanks, David Carr and Ryan Fitzpatrick. :)


Not too many QBs get the chance to play in 50+ games if their team isn't winning

Think about Mark Sanchez. Same draft class as Stafford, but Jets went 9-7, then 11-6 (with 4 playoff wins) in their first two seasons. Lions went 2-14 and 6-10.

Last year:
Jets = 6-10 and they draft a QB to replace Sanchez
Lions = 4-12 and there was no doubt Stafford would be the starter this year

Point is that teams will tolerate a mediocre QB as long as they are winning. Also that it take a special team to have Stafford and Calvin Johnson, but still go 4-12.
 
2013-09-30 04:14:30 PM  

Iowan73: That's not a record. Not every possible statistic is a record. Just like Payton Manning did not break the record for most touchdown passes in the first four games of a season. That's not a record. It's just a statistic to give tv football analysts something to talk about.


I take it you're not a golfer?

///Just because it isn't in Iowan73's Big Book of Records, doesn't make it not a record.  For the record, I am not defending this instance or the practice of selecting arbitrary data sets to prove a point in general, but the fact remains, Stafford did something no one else has to this point, that makes it a record.

bluenote13: 50 games in an 16 game season is just wierd parsing of the data to me.  And yes I know it is because 50 is a nice round number, but why not go by seasons?

All it tells me in Stafford's case is that he threw for more yards in 3 seasons +1 game.  Seems rather arbitrary.


Wikipedia has several different ways to measure NFL records due to, I assume, the pervasiveness of injuries, but 50 is pretty arbitrary.


It would be like saying a baseball players has the most homeruns ever in his first 200 games. It just sounds wierd.

Up until, I think, last year, the Brewers broadcasters showed Ryan Braun's HR totals to begin a career several times a season.  I doubt that will continue.
 
2013-09-30 04:24:59 PM  

bhcompy: flak attack: NuttierThanEver: Having Megatron to throw to certainly does not hurt

A quick glance shows that Megatron picked up 4,897 yards in games where Stafford was Detroit's leading passer. That doesn't account for games where Stafford got hurt and left early, but it means that over 1/3 of those yards were to Megatron.

You still have to have a good QB to make the throws. Anquan Boldin was a top tier receiver in Arizona with Kurt Warner, but merely solid in Baltimore with Flacco while receiving significantly less targets


I don't think anyone is saying that he's a bad QB, just that sometime statistics are misleading. For example, Danny Woodhead has a career average of 4.8 yards per carry. That sounds impressive (and he is a good player)..but that number is inflated from the fact that he's a 3rd down RB who frequently is in the game in 3rd and long. Sure he converts sometimes, but he also has a lot of 5-6 yard runs...on 3rd and 8, which defenses will give up all day long.

So, I'm not saying that Stafford is bad, just that you need to account for those "outside" factors.
 
2013-09-30 04:38:12 PM  

bluenote13: but why not go by seasons?


because he didn't break any of those records.
 
2013-09-30 04:39:33 PM  

bluenote13: He did spend a few months banging Maria Sharapova, so he has that going for him.

Oh, and he also making about 5 million a year (in base salary after a big signing bonus).

Also, QB win-loss records might be the stupidest stat.  By that logic, Drew Brees was not a good Qb last year because his team was 7-9.  QB win loss is dumb because you have no control, as the QB, about how the defense plays.   Might as well judge how good an offensive lineman is based on W/L.


I think 4th Quarter Comebacks should be the only way to judge QBs...

///No, I do not actually mean that.
 
2013-09-30 04:43:00 PM  
Huh, my second link disappeared.  Let's try again...

///No, I do not actually mean that.
 
2013-09-30 04:46:56 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: NuttierThanEver: Having Megatron to throw to certainly does not hurt

Yep, if you have a receiver capable of catching anything thrown within 50 yards of him in triple coverage you're going to be a "good" QB.

If Stafford didn't have a glass jaw he'd have probably 2-3k more yards just because of that.

/Missed Megatron by 1 pick in FF.....bitter.


Stahp this. Now.

The hits that took Stafford out his first two years would have taken out pretty much anyone this side of Favre himself, and maybe him too. Seriously, go watch them. He got *destroyed* on those hits.

He isn't 'fragile'. He doesn't have a 'glass jaw'. He had two NASTY hits that caused injuries.

Since then he's been jes' fine, and that's...what, three years now?
 
2013-09-30 04:48:46 PM  

One Thousand: Point is that teams will tolerate a mediocre QB as long as they are winning. Also that it take a special team to have Stafford and Calvin Johnson, but still go 4-12.


Facing Aaron Rodgers, Adiran Peterson and Chicago's defense (plus Forte!) 6 times a year doesn't help either when your defense has the consistency of damp toilet tissue.
 
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