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(Washington Post)   If the federal government shuts down, the Washington DC metro area stands to lose about $200 million a day, or roughly the cost of an Obama vacation to Disney World   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 149
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2013-09-30 12:26:56 PM
Subby, you understand there's more to the federal government then what's in D.C. right?

you shut down the government, you have a ripple effect that these asshats in the Tea Party don't understand anything about
 
2013-09-30 12:36:13 PM
Subby, that's a ridiculous statistic. Obama wouldn't go to Disney World by himself, he'd take his daughters and probably his wife, too. $200 million a day doesn't even come close to factoring in what it would cost to send the whole first family there. Why, I've heard some estimates that the trip the Obamas took to Africa cost upwards of  2 trillion dollarsand last time I checked there are no rides there at all. Not even characters in costume.
 
2013-09-30 12:37:59 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, that's a ridiculous statistic. Obama wouldn't go to Disney World by himself, he'd take his daughters and probably his wife, too. $200 million a day doesn't even come close to factoring in what it would cost to send the whole first family there. Why, I've heard some estimates that the trip the Obamas took to Africa cost upwards of  2 trillion dollarsand last time I checked there are no rides there at all. Not even characters in costume.


African Theme Park is the name of my Toto cover band.
 
2013-09-30 12:41:43 PM

naughtyrev: Pocket Ninja: Subby, that's a ridiculous statistic. Obama wouldn't go to Disney World by himself, he'd take his daughters and probably his wife, too. $200 million a day doesn't even come close to factoring in what it would cost to send the whole first family there. Why, I've heard some estimates that the trip the Obamas took to Africa cost upwards of  2 trillion dollarsand last time I checked there are no rides there at all. Not even characters in costume.

African Theme Park is the name of my Toto cover band.


These two posts right here are why I love Fark so very very much
 
2013-09-30 12:43:27 PM
I'd be interested to know how much Texas will lose.  And how many Texans will be adversely affected by Ted Cruz.
 
2013-09-30 12:56:20 PM
[Teabagger]
And this is a bad thing how?
[/Teabagger]
 
2013-09-30 12:58:37 PM

somedude210: Subby, you understand there's more to the federal government then what's in D.C. right?


I'm sure subby does (I hope). But the article itself is how the shutdown will specifically affect the D.C. area.
 
2013-09-30 01:06:56 PM

make me some tea: [Teabagger]
And this is a bad thing how?
[/Teabagger]


Well, given that VA has a gubernatorial election in two months,  and Cuccinelli's already slim hope of victory hinges on a strong showing in Northern Va, where a LOT of folks work for the federal government.   Given that he's VERY strongly idenitfied with the same Tea Party starin of uber-conservatism that the folks leading the shutdown fight belong to,  this is basically gonna be the neail in his coffin and turn the state solid blue for a while
 
2013-09-30 01:09:23 PM

Shostie: somedude210: Subby, you understand there's more to the federal government then what's in D.C. right?

I'm sure subby does (I hope). But the article itself is how the shutdown will specifically affect the D.C. area.


Which ins't too suprising since it's fromt he Washington Post, and DC really is a "company town" just like Detroit and Pittburgh once were.    The fed gov signs the majority of paychecks in this area
 
2013-09-30 01:09:56 PM

James!: I'd be interested to know how much Texas will lose.  And how many Texans will be adversely affected by Ted Cruz.


Fort Hood is a good place to start. What could cutting off all paychecks really harm?

"With 45,414 assigned soldiers or airmen and 8,909 civilian employees, Fort Hood is the largest 
single site employer in Texas, directly inserting nearly $3B annually into the Texas economy. 
In 2005, the Texas State Comptroller estimated the annual direct and indirect economic 
impact of Fort Hood on the Central Texas region as $6.09 billion. "

"Fort Hood occupies 335 square miles of Bell and Coryell Counties, 60 miles north of Austin and 
50 miles south of Waco. Seven surrounding cities with a regional population of 335,000 are 
partnered with and provide substantial quality of life support to Fort Hood. "

Source PDF warning.
 
2013-09-30 01:11:16 PM

Magorn: make me some tea: [Teabagger]
And this is a bad thing how?
[/Teabagger]

Well, given that VA has a gubernatorial election in two months,  and Cuccinelli's already slim hope of victory hinges on a strong showing in Northern Va, where a LOT of folks work for the federal government.   Given that he's VERY strongly idenitfied with the same Tea Party starin of uber-conservatism that the folks leading the shutdown fight belong to,  this is basically gonna be the neail in his coffin and turn the state solid blue for a while


I think south Virginia should secede from North Virginia.
 
2013-09-30 01:26:27 PM

make me some tea: Magorn: make me some tea: [Teabagger]
And this is a bad thing how?
[/Teabagger]

Well, given that VA has a gubernatorial election in two months,  and Cuccinelli's already slim hope of victory hinges on a strong showing in Northern Va, where a LOT of folks work for the federal government.   Given that he's VERY strongly idenitfied with the same Tea Party starin of uber-conservatism that the folks leading the shutdown fight belong to,  this is basically gonna be the neail in his coffin and turn the state solid blue for a while

I think south Virginia should secede from North Virginia.


Well, we at least might be able to get more transportation funding then.
 
2013-09-30 01:27:52 PM
Well, we're closing in on about 12 hours left.
 
2013-09-30 01:28:19 PM
New Delhi has a Disney World now?

Well, ain't that some sh*t.
 
2013-09-30 01:30:21 PM

James!: I'd be interested to know how much Texas will lose.  And how many Texans will be adversely affected by Ted Cruz.


All of them, James! All Texans are adversely affected by that asshat.

So are the rest of us.
 
2013-09-30 01:31:38 PM

Infernalist: Well, we're closing in on about 12 hours left.


Don't waste your time. It will come and go, no action will be taken. The government has already been shut down, the only thing left is the paperwork
 
2013-09-30 01:32:50 PM
That's okay, Ted Cruz is from Canada, so he won't be affected.
 
2013-09-30 01:34:15 PM
$200 billion would buy a buttload of health insurance for an buttload of people.
 
2013-09-30 01:34:49 PM
Not that the govt shutdown and debt ceiling brinksmanship isn't childish and destructive of the GOP, as it surely is.

But let's make sure we understand what the "costs" are. The $200m the article cites may be a cost to the DC area, but its $200m that is "saved" by the country as a whole. There's two sides to it. The $200m isn't the deadweight loss as it reduces the amount of debt that taxpayers would have to service.

There is a deadweight loss of such inefficient actions/brinksmanship, however the $200m isn't related to it. FWIW.
 
2013-09-30 01:34:53 PM
//million ... million.
 
2013-09-30 01:37:22 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Not that the govt shutdown and debt ceiling brinksmanship isn't childish and destructive of the GOP, as it surely is.

But let's make sure we understand what the "costs" are. The $200m the article cites may be a cost to the DC area, but its $200m that is "saved" by the country as a whole. There's two sides to it. The $200m isn't the deadweight loss as it reduces the amount of debt that taxpayers would have to service.

There is a deadweight loss of such inefficient actions/brinksmanship, however the $200m isn't related to it. FWIW.


It's a horrible thing for an economy for money to sit there and not do things.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:16 PM

somedude210: you shut down the government, you have a ripple effect that these asshats in the Tea Party don't understand anything about


It doesn't take much work, though, to find something the Tea Party understands nothing about. For starters, mathematics and American history.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:58 PM

somedude210: Subby, you understand there's more to the federal government then what's in D.C. right?

you shut down the government, you have a ripple effect that these asshats in the Tea Party don't understand anything about


They understand getting a reprieve from Obama stealing their freedoms.
 
2013-09-30 01:39:33 PM

somedude210: Subby, you understand there's more to the federal government then what's in D.C. right?

you shut down the government, you have a ripple effect that these asshats in the Tea Party don't understand anything about


And the cost of reopening, last time was over one billion dollars.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:14 PM
So you're saying there's a silver lining then.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:46 PM

Infernalist: Well, we're closing in on about 12 hours left.


Brings me back to college with a term paper due hours away. But, of course, being late on my term paper didn't have the potential to send anyone into a recession.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:54 PM

Lost Thought 00: Infernalist: Well, we're closing in on about 12 hours left.

Don't waste your time. It will come and go, no action will be taken. The government has already been shut down, the only thing left is the paperwork


As a friend of mine put it on Facebook, why start anything today?

/I'm in full shutdown mode, but just because it's Monday afternoon
 
2013-09-30 01:44:26 PM
I plan to take up three seats on the Metro each morning.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:03 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Not that the govt shutdown and debt ceiling brinksmanship isn't childish and destructive of the GOP, as it surely is.

But let's make sure we understand what the "costs" are. The $200m the article cites may be a cost to the DC area, but its $200m that is "saved" by the country as a whole. There's two sides to it. The $200m isn't the deadweight loss as it reduces the amount of debt that taxpayers would have to service.

There is a deadweight loss of such inefficient actions/brinksmanship, however the $200m isn't related to it. FWIW.


Penny wise and pound foolish.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:09 PM
Cry me a river.  Top counties in the country by income in 2011 and their corresponding median household income:

1     Loudoun,VA    119,134
2     Fairfax,VA     105,797
3     Arlington,VA     100,735

That data's a bit old.  It appears that Arlington is now #1 with a median family income over $137,000.

They've been living off the fat of the land.  Hope they saved.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:35 PM

robertus: Lost Thought 00: Infernalist: Well, we're closing in on about 12 hours left.

Don't waste your time. It will come and go, no action will be taken. The government has already been shut down, the only thing left is the paperwork

As a friend of mine put it on Facebook, why start anything today?

/I'm in full shutdown mode, but just because it's Monday afternoon


I'm still shaking my head over the GOP's complete obliviousness.  They really think the Democrats will blink, even with the polls solidly backing the Democratic position.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:40 PM

make me some tea: Magorn: make me some tea: [Teabagger]
And this is a bad thing how?
[/Teabagger]

Well, given that VA has a gubernatorial election in two months,  and Cuccinelli's already slim hope of victory hinges on a strong showing in Northern Va, where a LOT of folks work for the federal government.   Given that he's VERY strongly idenitfied with the same Tea Party starin of uber-conservatism that the folks leading the shutdown fight belong to,  this is basically gonna be the neail in his coffin and turn the state solid blue for a while

I think south Virginia should secede from North Virginia.


It's more southwestern VA.  If you start with the 95 corridor at the NC border and head north, swing west to include Charlottesville, and swing back east to Loudoun County then that's all the blue sections of the state.  Everything to the west of that line could be the new state of Jesusland with a capitol at Norfolk with Liberty University and Patrick Henry college as the state schools.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:50 PM
A lot is riding on this.

If the Democrats cave to the GOP terrorism the country is lost. Corporate America will hold us hostage every time they don't get their way.

If Obama caves he is the most worthless cowardly piece of shiat that ever lived. FACT.
 
2013-09-30 01:46:37 PM

Garet Garrett: Cry me a river.  Top counties in the country by income in 2011 and their corresponding median household income:

1     Loudoun,VA    119,134
2     Fairfax,VA     105,797
3     Arlington,VA     100,735

That data's a bit old.  It appears that Arlington is now #1 with a median family income over $137,000.

They've been living off the fat of the land.  Hope they saved.


So, you think some of the richest people in the country are going to be hurt more than the rest of us?

lol
 
2013-09-30 01:46:46 PM

Bontesla: And the cost of reopening, last time was over one billion dollars.


You know there's an easy way to avoid that cost, right?
 
2013-09-30 01:47:08 PM
What time is the vote? 2pm?
 
2013-09-30 01:47:10 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Not that the govt shutdown and debt ceiling brinksmanship isn't childish and destructive of the GOP, as it surely is.

But let's make sure we understand what the "costs" are. The $200m the article cites may be a cost to the DC area, but its $200m that is "saved" by the country as a whole. There's two sides to it. The $200m isn't the deadweight loss as it reduces the amount of debt that taxpayers would have to service.

There is a deadweight loss of such inefficient actions/brinksmanship, however the $200m isn't related to it. FWIW.


Even then you're wrong. They're talking about the ripple effect of economic loss not that it costs the taxpayer $200 million a day to fund the metro.
 
2013-09-30 01:47:53 PM

Granny_Panties: A lot is riding on this.

If the Democrats cave to the GOP terrorism the country is lost. Corporate America will hold us hostage every time they don't get their way.

If Obama caves he is the most worthless cowardly piece of shiat that ever lived. FACT.


It won't happen.  I've come to rely on the President being utterly ruthless when it comes to dealing with the GOP.  He learned from his first few years in office.
 
2013-09-30 01:48:12 PM

Garet Garrett: Bontesla: And the cost of reopening, last time was over one billion dollars.

You know there's an easy way to avoid that cost, right?


Give in to economic terrorism.
 
2013-09-30 01:48:34 PM

Garet Garrett: Bontesla: And the cost of reopening, last time was over one billion dollars.

You know there's an easy way to avoid that cost, right?


Yes. By not shutting down.
 
2013-09-30 01:49:06 PM

Magorn: naughtyrev: Pocket Ninja: Subby, that's a ridiculous statistic. Obama wouldn't go to Disney World by himself, he'd take his daughters and probably his wife, too. $200 million a day doesn't even come close to factoring in what it would cost to send the whole first family there. Why, I've heard some estimates that the trip the Obamas took to Africa cost upwards of 2 trillion dollars and last time I checked there are no rides there at all. Not even characters in costume.

African Theme Park is the name of my Toto cover band.

These two posts right here are why I love Fark so very very much


I'd buy that CD.
 
2013-09-30 01:49:18 PM

Garet Garrett: Bontesla: And the cost of reopening, last time was over one billion dollars.

You know there's an easy way to avoid that cost, right?


Yeah, but shooting all the teabaggers would probably lead to legal complications.
 
2013-09-30 01:49:35 PM
There are no positive feedback loops in the economy.  Everything is a zero sum game.  Austrian economics tells me it's true.  No, of course I haven't read any papers by Austrian economists, but I know in my heart what they say.
 
2013-09-30 01:51:45 PM

Garet Garrett: Cry me a river.  Top counties in the country by income in 2011 and their corresponding median household income:

1     Loudoun,VA    119,134
2     Fairfax,VA     105,797
3     Arlington,VA     100,735

That data's a bit old.  It appears that Arlington is now #1 with a median family income over $137,000.

They've been living off the fat of the land.  Hope they saved.


Living off the fat of the land?  HA!  This is also one of the most expensive areas to live in the country.  Making 6 figures here, while definitely a nice salary, aint the same thing as making it somewhere out in the sticks.  Housing alone is very expensive here.
 
2013-09-30 01:51:49 PM

Infernalist: Granny_Panties: A lot is riding on this.

If the Democrats cave to the GOP terrorism the country is lost. Corporate America will hold us hostage every time they don't get their way.

If Obama caves he is the most worthless cowardly piece of shiat that ever lived. FACT.

It won't happen.  I've come to rely on the President being utterly ruthless when it comes to dealing with the GOP.  He learned from his first few years in office.


I really, really hope you're right.  I have this sinking feeling that he's gonna blink though.
 
2013-09-30 01:52:32 PM
Congressional Republicans: We're so fiscally conservative we'll go into paid recess while the US economy loses hundreds of millions of dollars and the federal government wastes hundreds of millions more in triage and restart costs, just to make sure we can repeal a deficit-negative law.
 
2013-09-30 01:53:10 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Not that the govt shutdown and debt ceiling brinksmanship isn't childish and destructive of the GOP, as it surely is.

But let's make sure we understand what the "costs" are. The $200m the article cites may be a cost to the DC area, but its $200m that is "saved" by the country as a whole. There's two sides to it. The $200m isn't the deadweight loss as it reduces the amount of debt that taxpayers would have to service.

There is a deadweight loss of such inefficient actions/brinksmanship, however the $200m isn't related to it. FWIW.


1. DC has ~425,000 people living in 't, and their entire government is subject to the whims of Congress. As in, if Mayor Gray hadn't declared all city employees (trash collectors, etc) "essential", DC would look like a MidEast hellhole* after maybe 2 days.
2. Why doesn't YOUR state kick in to the kitty, eh? Why should DC have to feel the brunt of the shutdown? Because we "chose" to live here, to work for our government (while likely forgoing better pay in the private sector)? Yeah, fark you - WE don't vote in Congress, yet WE feel it most when Congress decides to be dickbags. Go reread about 1995-6, and how this shutdown would be more complete (since we don't have CRs for individual agencies/efforts in place like we did before the 1995 shutdown).
3. Did I say "Fark you" yet? Because that, too.
4. You do know that that $200M would end up circulating around the economy, some/much of it ending up in the hands of Wall St eventually (maybe 3-4 hops at most). It's not $200M that gets dropped form a helicopter and hoarded, right? It's exchange for goods and SERVICES (like the jobs these people won't get paid for, which might have been used for tickets and concessions at the Verizon Center or to pay for a newspaper to read on the Metro - which is also going to lose a fair bit of cash without regular weekday ridership, which means MD and VA also lose a bunch of dough...).

I know you're smarter than this. Apply yourself.

*I have lived through garbage worker/transit strikes in Israel. It is not pretty, nor does it smell particularly good. After a week, even the streets without dumpsters smell like a pile of dirty diapers.
 
2013-09-30 01:53:11 PM
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Get ready for some pain, red states!
 
2013-09-30 01:53:29 PM

Garet Garrett: Bontesla: And the cost of reopening, last time was over one billion dollars.

You know there's an easy way to avoid that cost, right?


A drone strike?
 
2013-09-30 01:54:31 PM
This will surely undo the economic uncertainty that the GOP claims is holding back the economy.
 
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