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2013-09-30 05:38:33 PM

The Fett: jvowles: um... no, it's because the older style airplane headphones used a dual-prong connecter.

And the cost of that upgrade is high -- but for new planes, like Virgin America uses, it's standard and wonderful.

Aircraft are designed to last more than 30 yeaill refresh the interior from about every 10 years.  Virgin America has been in business operating in the US since 2009.  So, pretty soon even their aircraft will feel 'old' to you.

Seriously, Seattle to Miami is about the longest direct ride you can take in the US.  That's about 6 hours of battery life,


Assuming you're lucky enough to get a direct flight, which means you live near a major US hub airport and are flying to  another?  Sure.  But you're paying for it, too, and not always just in dollars. The shrinking number of flights means that fewer options are there. I'd really rather NOT fly at 5am to get a direct flight.

These days you're very lucky to get direct flights anywhere.
 
2013-09-30 05:40:48 PM

Cid_Highwind: Look, if budget airliners are "engineering masterpieces" so was my '87 Honda Prelude.


Hey, the late 80's Prelude was a pretty damned well engineered car for it's time!
 
2013-09-30 05:43:03 PM

vrax: Cid_Highwind: Look, if budget airliners are "engineering masterpieces" so was my '87 Honda Prelude.

Hey, the late 80's Prelude was a pretty damned well engineered car for it's time!


I remember, I totaled mine on my way home from the dealer.  Mega sads.
 
2013-09-30 05:46:33 PM

The Fett: Guess how I know you know nothing about airplanes....Come on...guess.


Guess how I know you've never turned a wrench on one... Come on... guess.

vrax: Hey, the late 80's Prelude was a pretty damned well engineered car for it's time!


It was pretty neat, but I'm not going to defend the discomfort of squeezing into it and its tendency to eat alternators by 2003 by calling it a "marvel of engineering."
 
2013-09-30 05:49:32 PM

RedPhoenix122: "The sides are not included in the price of a steak," he says. "Airline ticket prices should reflect the costs incurred by the individual passenger."

Where are you buying your steak?


THIS!  Airlines haven't been Ruth's Chris for a long time.  They're more like Golden Coral, except now they want to charge even more for the Mega Bar.
 
2013-09-30 05:49:50 PM

The Fett: vrax: Cid_Highwind: Look, if budget airliners are "engineering masterpieces" so was my '87 Honda Prelude.

Hey, the late 80's Prelude was a pretty damned well engineered car for it's time!

I remember, I totaled mine on my way home from the dealer.  Mega sads.



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2013-09-30 05:49:52 PM

Cid_Highwind: The Fett: Guess how I know you know nothing about airplanes....Come on...guess.

Guess how I know you've never turned a wrench on one... Come on... guess.

vrax: Hey, the late 80's Prelude was a pretty damned well engineered car for it's time!

It was pretty neat, but I'm not going to defend the discomfort of squeezing into it and its tendency to eat alternators by 2003 by calling it a "marvel of engineering."


You couldn't be more wrong, but behold the glory of internet anonymity.
 
2013-09-30 05:53:57 PM

Cid_Highwind: The Fett: Guess how I know you know nothing about airplanes....Come on...guess.

Guess how I know you've never turned a wrench on one... Come on... guess.

vrax: Hey, the late 80's Prelude was a pretty damned well engineered car for it's time!

It was pretty neat, but I'm not going to defend the discomfort of squeezing into it and its tendency to eat alternators by 2003 by calling it a "marvel of engineering."


I'm just going to assume that I'm misunderstanding and that you aren't complaining about a 16 year old alternator calling it quits.
 
2013-09-30 05:54:20 PM
List fails without a "toss your ass and your screaming toddler out of the plane at cruising altitude" fee.

JuggleGeek: I got a kick out of "renting Apple iPads preloaded with movies".  Not because it's a bad idea, but because the airlines keep pretending that if you use your phone or a tablet computer you are going to cause the plane to explode or some nonsense.


Thankfully, the FCC is finally pulling their heads out of their asses and talking about overturning this stupidity.
 
2013-09-30 06:20:25 PM

LineNoise: ikanreed: The fact that you haven't given up on life while at an american airport says a lot of bad things about your intelligence.

And again, if you fly enough and get lounge access, priority screening, comped upgrades, its an entirely other experience all together. Like I said, I'm on a plane pretty much every week, and don't mind it at all. I actually miss it a little bit if I go a few weeks without flying.


Yeah.  Trying to sell "flying doesn't suck" to people who look for whatever airline has the cheapest fare to go to Orlando or JFK or Logan are never going to understand.  I've been flying American pretty regularly for six years now and I can't really complain.  People have an expectation that the ticket they're paying $50 should come with the magical ability to not wait in line and a meal.
 
2013-09-30 06:59:10 PM

vrax: LineNoise: vrax: LineNoise: I always get the suspicion that the people who complain the most about this stuff are the same people who get on a flight wearing flip flops, sweat pants, and a Nascar tshirt.

You look down upon people who want to be comfortable when they fly?  Do you scowl at them as you lift the tea to your lips, pinky held high?

What about airline travel makes people think they can look like an absolute slob when they do it. Is that 3 hour flight to St Louis really such a burden on you that you need to dress like you were going to bed or the gym to get on it?

You looking like a slob just cheapens the experience for everyone else on the plane. Then everyone acts all shocked when the airlines follow suit.

Yes, sweats, sandals and t-shirts = slob.  That you are from NY couldn't be more obvious.  I find it hilarious that you complain about people and their shoes and then biatch about people wearing flip-flops on a flight.  There is no winning with you.  You should probably wear blinders when you are out in public.  I just spent the entire weekend in Long Beach.  That place would make you cry in a corner.


Crocs, leggings, and a comfy shirt for me. You can be comfortable and still look nice. I may only fly twice a year (Baltimore to NO, then back), but when I'm not comfy, I get grouchy. Not good. Just ignore the Mardi Gras beads I inevitably end up with and probably wear on the way home.

/Southwest all the way!
 
2013-09-30 07:01:54 PM
"We want to get back to a point where people feel like travel isn't something to endure, but something they can enjoy," says Bob Kupbens, a former Target executive and Delta's current vice president of marketing and digital commerce.

Delta is the least respected brand name, even worse than Phillip Morris which kills thousands of people every year

That's some good marketing right there Bob.
 
2013-09-30 07:42:36 PM

baltimoreblonde: vrax: LineNoise: vrax: LineNoise: I always get the suspicion that the people who complain the most about this stuff are the same people who get on a flight wearing flip flops, sweat pants, and a Nascar tshirt.

You look down upon people who want to be comfortable when they fly?  Do you scowl at them as you lift the tea to your lips, pinky held high?

What about airline travel makes people think they can look like an absolute slob when they do it. Is that 3 hour flight to St Louis really such a burden on you that you need to dress like you were going to bed or the gym to get on it?

You looking like a slob just cheapens the experience for everyone else on the plane. Then everyone acts all shocked when the airlines follow suit.

Yes, sweats, sandals and t-shirts = slob.  That you are from NY couldn't be more obvious.  I find it hilarious that you complain about people and their shoes and then biatch about people wearing flip-flops on a flight.  There is no winning with you.  You should probably wear blinders when you are out in public.  I just spent the entire weekend in Long Beach.  That place would make you cry in a corner.

Crocs, leggings, and a comfy shirt for me. You can be comfortable and still look nice. I may only fly twice a year (Baltimore to NO, then back), but when I'm not comfy, I get grouchy. Not good. Just ignore the Mardi Gras beads I inevitably end up with and probably wear on the way home.

/Southwest all the way!


Exactly!  It's even recommended by experts, but not flying snobs.
 
2013-09-30 07:47:14 PM
Charlie checked his bags in Austin, flew to New York City
And connected to Bangor, Maine.
When he got there, the attendant told him "ninety more dollars" --
Charlie couldn't get off that plane!

But did he ever return, no he never returned
And his fate is still unlearned.
He may fly forever in the skies of America,
He's the man who never returned.
 
2013-09-30 07:47:21 PM

baltimoreblonde: Crocs, leggings, and a comfy shirt for me. You can be comfortable and still look nice. I may only fly twice a year (Baltimore to NO, then back), but when I'm not comfy, I get grouchy. Not good. Just ignore the Mardi Gras beads I inevitably end up with and probably wear on the way home.

/Southwest all the way!


Do you have to take a cab back to your trailer, or is there a bus?
 
2013-09-30 08:09:08 PM

nmrsnr: FTFA: "letting passengers pay to have an empty seat next to them."

I believe that's called "buying an extra ticket" and it's not exactly a new service.


No, we did this for a flight last month. It's just a fee, I think we paid $60 (varies based on length of flight), nowhere near the cost of an extra ticket. But it really wasn't worth it. They have this large plastic thing blocking the middle seat and it's attached to the arm rests. It has cup holder indents. You cannot raise the arm rests. So the only extra space you get is shoulder room, which doesn't do that much. And you have a place to put your drink without lowering the tray table. We were very disappointed.
 
2013-09-30 08:31:18 PM
I got my jimmies ruffled by the angriest flight attendant I've met in a while over reading my ipad before we taxied. Apparently she wasn't impressed by the level of attention she got from me during the safety talk. She got so irate she woke my fiancé up. We were flying on US Air. I've never had that problem on any other airline. I won't be patronizing Us Air for some time.
 
2013-09-30 08:35:49 PM

LineNoise: vrax: LineNoise: I always get the suspicion that the people who complain the most about this stuff are the same people who get on a flight wearing flip flops, sweat pants, and a Nascar tshirt.

You look down upon people who want to be comfortable when they fly?  Do you scowl at them as you lift the tea to your lips, pinky held high?

What about airline travel makes people think they can look like an absolute slob when they do it. Is that 3 hour flight to St Louis really such a burden on you that you need to dress like you were going to bed or the gym to get on it?

You looking like a slob just cheapens the experience for everyone else on the plane. Then everyone acts all shocked when the airlines follow suit.


Why should I dress up for you? I'm not interviewing for a job.

Try just a bit of live and let live.
 
2013-09-30 08:49:31 PM
Yea I honestly don't care how bad the service is or how little they give me as long as the tickets keep getting cheaper and cheaper. My SO flies weekly for work and we get to travel a lot to use all the rewards. If you are really cheap like me or flying stresses you out, try the following:

a) Bring your own food from home. I like to bring a sandwich, chips, homemade cookies, granola bars, and candy. I sound fat but I eat this stuff throughout my trip because I am really cheap.

b) If you are a thirsty person bring an empty water bottle and fill it up after security. Beyond easy. Plus if you are on a long trip you will probably get dehydrated otherwise.

c) Gum. First of all it makes you feel better when you haven't brushed your teeth for 16 hours and second you can use it to hide any terrible smells (like the guy in the seat next to you).

d) Be a tiny person. If you're 6' and 250 lbs then life sucks for you. Flying is when it pays to be short and tiny. Sorry because I know there is nothing you can do about this.

e) If you can't pick your carry on up (why do women pack bags that are too heavy for them to lift!??) and fit it in the overhead compartment then you brought too much stuff. That is all. If you have to pack a check bag (and it isn't full of stuff you need for work or essential medical supplies or something) you packed too much. You can carry your coat on the plane and you have no excuse to check a bag and complain about the fee. (If you don't mind the fee and want your golf clubs with you that is fine). I am female and I have packed 3 pairs of shoes and a hardhat (and all my clothes and toiletries) in my carry on.

Last 2 years I flew to La Guardia, Atlanta, San Juan, Phoenix, Ft Myers, San Francisco, Houston, and next week: Chicago (Midway thank God).

So I rambled.
 
2013-09-30 09:02:29 PM
OK so I didn't know that shorts and flip flops were so offensive- I wore shorts and flip flops while flying last week. I apologize, but I was going to Phoenix. What exactly are the horrible things that happen to your legs and feet if you evacuate that won't happen if you are wearing pants. I mean, exactly HOW horrible could these things be that a pair of cotton dress pants would protect your legs? And you're telling me that my thin canvas shoes could protect my feet from this horrible thing that would happen to my feet in flip flops? Should I start wearing my steel-toes and hard hat *on* the plane in case of an evacuation!??

Also- once we boarded a 6 am flight and used all four of our 'free drink' coupons. We were going to Vegas so maybe you shouldn't go all crazy when you see people drinking at an 'unacceptable hour'- some of us are on vacation.
 
2013-09-30 09:54:35 PM

LineNoise: baltimoreblonde: Crocs, leggings, and a comfy shirt for me. You can be comfortable and still look nice. I may only fly twice a year (Baltimore to NO, then back), but when I'm not comfy, I get grouchy. Not good. Just ignore the Mardi Gras beads I inevitably end up with and probably wear on the way home.

/Southwest all the way!

Do you have to take a cab back to your trailer, or is there a bus?

Actually, I can drive back to my own nice place, thank you. And considering my airfare (and the husband's) is paid for by family, I think I do just fine. I'll say hi for ya next time I hit Bourbon Street.
 
2013-09-30 11:37:43 PM

RedPhoenix122: "The sides are not included in the price of a steak," he says. "Airline ticket prices should reflect the costs incurred by the individual passenger."

Where are you buying your steak?


At a real steak restaurant like Ruth's Chris. Not at Golden Corral or the Sizzler.

/I really like being able to get a bigger coach seat and priority boarding for a few bucks. Also don't mind paying for wifi on the flight. These are enhancements that make flying better, and are worth paying for. The ridiculous price of first/business class, not so much.
 
2013-09-30 11:44:45 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Meanwhile:

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Yeah, I wish the train was a practical alternative outside the Northeast Corridor, but it ain't. I took Amtrak from Atlanta to DC once. It's less than a two-hour flight. Fourteen hours on the train over crappy freight lines. The train was an hour late and had to speed up so much to make up time that I woke up with motion sickness. And the sleeper compartment costs more than a plane ticket, even if you have two people sharing it.
 
2013-09-30 11:50:34 PM

mbillips: RedPhoenix122: "The sides are not included in the price of a steak," he says. "Airline ticket prices should reflect the costs incurred by the individual passenger."

Where are you buying your steak?

At a real steak restaurant like Ruth's Chris. Not at Golden Corral or the Sizzler.

/I really like being able to get a bigger coach seat and priority boarding for a few bucks. Also don't mind paying for wifi on the flight. These are enhancements that make flying better, and are worth paying for. The ridiculous price of first/business class, not so much.


I always have a hard time eating food from a chain restaurant, even a really expensive one.  There's gotta be a better local option near you, right?
 
2013-10-01 02:33:38 AM

mbillips: At a real steak restaurant like Ruth's Chris. Not at Golden Corral or the Sizzler.


I'll admit that I have cheap tastes in steak, though I should have probably started at $30, not $20.

It's not hard to cook a steak I'll like - just keep it rare.

/I really like being able to get a bigger coach seat and priority boarding for a few bucks. Also don't mind paying for wifi on the flight. These are enhancements that make flying better, and are worth paying for. The ridiculous price of first/business class, not so much.

In other words you're a good step up from me.
 
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