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2013-09-30 04:04:06 PM

LineNoise: Egoy3k: I dress 'business casual' for a flight because that's what I choose to wear when in public but I sure as hell don't judge others for wearing sweatpants on an airplane.  Jesus Christ you people have issues.

I'm not judging someone wearing sweatpants in public. I'm just reading the message they send out:

"I have given up on life"


I have to give props where it's due - you are the most consistent bigot on Fark.
 
2013-09-30 04:04:18 PM

LineNoise: vrax: To be fair, on a multimillion dollar passenger plane it is a little absurd not to have USB power ports for devices these days.  It's not exactly expensive new tech.

Your right, it isn't  that expensive. Until you need to add it to a few hundred airplanes in your fleet. And then fix it when it breaks from 30 different people a day plugging and unplugging stuff, who don't care about it. Ever wonder why there are two headphone jacks on your seat on most planes? Its so if one breaks, they don't have an angry flyer.

Now lets assume 100 people, (half a decent sized plane) plug in a device to charge. That added power has to come from somewhere, which means more fuel to burn. the cabling, ports, power generation, etc is all more weight that the plane has to cart around, and again, fuel it has to burn, even if that plane is only half full, or if only 3 people really need to charge stuff.


Yes, that's great, except for the fact that they've installed an LCD screen into the back of every seat on the damned plane.  The weight of a USB port?  WTF, it's not a NASA mission!  One person's set of golf clubs weighs more than 300 ports.  The extra 2.5W requirement and small amount of extended cabling and bulk port cost isn't going to add up to much.  These guys aren't running free, public transit.  They can and should make minor investments to upgrade the passenger-side experience.
 
2013-09-30 04:04:21 PM

gerrychampoux: I repeat: The airline industry is the only industry that is openly hostile to their customers.


I fly regularly but not all the time.  I've found that if you're civil to airline staff they are always civil back.  Thus I've never experienced such hostility.  People that show up late and b*tch that the plane has left, people that don't understand the carry-on policy, people that REFUSE TO TURN OFF THEIR F*CKING PHONES bring the torment upon themselves.

Just be a decent person and keep with the rules and you'll be fine.  Occasionally odd things will happen, but I refuse to take it out on someone with no control over the situation.  The TSA screeners, however... sometimes there is no pleasing those grabby doofuses.
"Sir, why did you take off your ring?"
"Because it is metal."
"We'd never expect people to take their wedding rings off."  (False)
"Yeah, you're right, that's ridiculous. I'm glad you mentioned it." (Also false)
 
2013-09-30 04:06:31 PM
www.toddalcott.com Lounges, cabin suites, sit down meals and even an after-dinner cigar... Yes, rigid airships filled with safe, natural helium are the best way to fly.
 
2013-09-30 04:07:50 PM

ikanreed: The fact that you haven't given up on life while at an american airport says a lot of bad things about your intelligence.


Really? Why?

Food at most major airports is actually pretty good. There are good bars with interesting people. The little Irish pub in midway on a friday night during irregular operations is probably one of the most fun bars you will ever go to. Hell, where else can you plop down on a bar stool and order a beer at 9am and not be judged? You meet interesting people. The whole operation of the place and what it takes to do so is fascinating if you step back for a moment and take it all in.

And again, if you fly enough and get lounge access, priority screening, comped upgrades, its an entirely other experience all together. Like I said, I'm on a plane pretty much every week, and don't mind it at all. I actually miss it a little bit if I go a few weeks without flying.
 
2013-09-30 04:11:34 PM
The change I wish all the airlines would make is actually enforcing the size limits on carryon luggage.

You know, that little box near the ticket counter that says, "If your bag doesn't fit in here, you must check it"?


I often board a plane early, because I have a severe back problem (and a cane, for the people who look at me and think I'm perfectly healthy), so I don't have a problem (and my carryon fits under my seat), but watching people try to stuff everything they own into an overhead bin just pisses me off.

And then, when deplaning, as they try wrestle it out, I've seen more than a few dropped on people (including me), and there's never an apology for hitting someone in the shoulder with their 30 lb bag.


I've often considered, on a Saturday when I have ~absolutely~ nothing else to do, going down to LAX dressed like I work for one of the airlines, and enforcing bag size limits.
 
2013-09-30 04:12:56 PM

apotheosis27: worth repeating...

"We have massive amounts of data," says Delta CEO Richard Anderson. "We know who you are.


My first stab at a headline was
'We have massive amounts of data,' says Delta CEO Richard Anderson.  'We know who you are.  We just don't know where your luggage is'
 
2013-09-30 04:13:42 PM

Carousel Beast: LineNoise: Egoy3k: I dress 'business casual' for a flight because that's what I choose to wear when in public but I sure as hell don't judge others for wearing sweatpants on an airplane.  Jesus Christ you people have issues.

I'm not judging someone wearing sweatpants in public. I'm just reading the message they send out:

"I have given up on life"

I have to give props where it's due - you are the most consistent bigot on Fark.


And he's obviously never seen the Patton Oswalt bit on sweatpants.
 
2013-09-30 04:13:56 PM

LineNoise: Hell, where else can you plop down on a bar stool and order a beer at 9am and not be judged?


LOL! The alcoholic shakes his tiny fist at the flip-flop people.
 
2013-09-30 04:15:01 PM

vrax: es, that's great, except for the fact that they've installed an LCD screen into the back of every seat on the damned plane.  The weight of a USB port?  WTF, it's not a NASA mission!  One person's set of golf clubs weighs more than 300 ports.  The extra 2.5W requirement and small amount of extended cabling and bulk port cost isn't going to add up to much.  These guys aren't running free, public transit.  They can and should make minor investments to upgrade the passenger-side experience.


And that LCD screen is generating revenue, either by people paying for service, displaying advertisements, and simplifying their safety instructions.

A USB port, however, is consuming revenue, again, even if ever so small, multiply that across an entire fleets operations every day, and it starts to add up.

A couple of years ago, there was a story how united was able to save a couple hundred thousand bucks a year simply by changing their cashew supply in their lounges to a vendor that didn't guarantee a low percentage of broken nuts. United made the mistake of trying to use it as an example of how they were cutting costs without cutting service. People went into an uproar over it. The end result was united realizing that they couldn't win, and if they were going to take flack over it, why even bother giving people farking nuts to begin with.

Now think about it, when was the last time you really noticed if 95% of the cashews in your mixed nuts were broken or not. Even if you did, did it really impact your enjoyment of said nuts?

But somewhere people got in their mind that not only should they be entitled to free nuts, but that the quality control on those nuts should be impeccable, and managed by a six sigma blackbelt, less their fine attention to the details of the shape of a cashew be insulted.
 
2013-09-30 04:17:06 PM

vrax: LineNoise: Hell, where else can you plop down on a bar stool and order a beer at 9am and not be judged?

LOL! The alcoholic shakes his tiny fist at the flip-flop people.


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2013-09-30 04:17:19 PM

mithras_angel: The change I wish all the airlines would make is actually enforcing the size limits on carryon luggage.

You know, that little box near the ticket counter that says, "If your bag doesn't fit in here, you must check it"?


I often board a plane early, because I have a severe back problem (and a cane, for the people who look at me and think I'm perfectly healthy), so I don't have a problem (and my carryon fits under my seat), but watching people try to stuff everything they own into an overhead bin just pisses me off.

And then, when deplaning, as they try wrestle it out, I've seen more than a few dropped on people (including me), and there's never an apology for hitting someone in the shoulder with their 30 lb bag.


I've often considered, on a Saturday when I have ~absolutely~ nothing else to do, going down to LAX dressed like I work for one of the airlines, and enforcing bag size limits.


You really should see the airline skit on the latest SNL.
 
2013-09-30 04:17:23 PM

LineNoise: Hell, where else can you plop down on a bar stool and order a beer at 9am and not be judged?


Anywhere else, I'd have to order a Bloody Mary to not be judged.
 
2013-09-30 04:19:48 PM

vrax: LineNoise: Hell, where else can you plop down on a bar stool and order a beer at 9am and not be judged?

LOL! The alcoholic shakes his tiny fist at the flip-flop people.


How do you know I didn't just get off a nonstop from Hong Kong, and its actually 10pm local time on a friday for me? How do you know that I'm not very anxious when it comes to flying, and that drink helps steady me so I am comfortable on the plane?

See, thats the beauty of airports. You can throw certain social conventions out the window. Everyone is essentially reduced to two classes of people, and you are all peers in your group from the time you enter the security line, until the time your bag comes tumbling down the carousel. Its as close as we have come to eliminating bigotry, racism, elitism, etc so far. Everyone is in it together, equally.

And such a place as close to utopia as that, surely has no room for people wearing sweatpants or flipflops.
 
2013-09-30 04:26:35 PM

LineNoise: vrax: es, that's great, except for the fact that they've installed an LCD screen into the back of every seat on the damned plane.  The weight of a USB port?  WTF, it's not a NASA mission!  One person's set of golf clubs weighs more than 300 ports.  The extra 2.5W requirement and small amount of extended cabling and bulk port cost isn't going to add up to much.  These guys aren't running free, public transit.  They can and should make minor investments to upgrade the passenger-side experience.

And that LCD screen is generating revenue, either by people paying for service, displaying advertisements, and simplifying their safety instructions.

A USB port, however, is consuming revenue, again, even if ever so small, multiply that across an entire fleets operations every day, and it starts to add up.

A couple of years ago, there was a story how united was able to save a couple hundred thousand bucks a year simply by changing their cashew supply in their lounges to a vendor that didn't guarantee a low percentage of broken nuts. United made the mistake of trying to use it as an example of how they were cutting costs without cutting service. People went into an uproar over it. The end result was united realizing that they couldn't win, and if they were going to take flack over it, why even bother giving people farking nuts to begin with.

Now think about it, when was the last time you really noticed if 95% of the cashews in your mixed nuts were broken or not. Even if you did, did it really impact your enjoyment of said nuts?

But somewhere people got in their mind that not only should they be entitled to free nuts, but that the quality control on those nuts should be impeccable, and managed by a six sigma blackbelt, less their fine attention to the details of the shape of a cashew be insulted.


Well, I would have cancelled it on nut allergy grounds and been done with it.

If they are terrified over USB port maintenance, they can install an extremely low maintenance port type and sell a port-to-USB adapter for $5, greatly recouping their expenditure.
 
2013-09-30 04:29:21 PM

LineNoise: vrax: LineNoise: Hell, where else can you plop down on a bar stool and order a beer at 9am and not be judged?

LOL! The alcoholic shakes his tiny fist at the flip-flop people.

How do you know I didn't just get off a nonstop from Hong Kong, and its actually 10pm local time on a friday for me? How do you know that I'm not very anxious when it comes to flying, and that drink helps steady me so I am comfortable on the plane?

See, thats the beauty of airports. You can throw certain social conventions out the window. Everyone is essentially reduced to two classes of people, and you are all peers in your group from the time you enter the security line, until the time your bag comes tumbling down the carousel. Its as close as we have come to eliminating bigotry, racism, elitism, etc so far. Everyone is in it together, equally.

And such a place as close to utopia as that, surely has no room for people wearing sweatpants or flipflops.


I don't, and I'm giving you a bad time.  *poke poke*

Besides, if you were very anxious, you'd have a Xanax with your drink, like me, you n00b!
 
2013-09-30 04:29:50 PM

LineNoise: Food at most major airports is actually pretty good. There are good bars with interesting people. The little Irish pub in midway on a friday night during irregular operations is probably one of the most fun bars you will ever go to. Hell, where else can you plop down on a bar stool and order a beer at 9am and not be judged? You meet interesting people. The whole operation of the place and what it takes to do so is fascinating if you step back for a moment and take it all in.

And again, if you fly enough and get lounge access, priority screening, comped upgrades, its an entirely other experience all together. Like I said, I'm on a plane pretty much every week, and don't mind it at all. I actually miss it a little bit if I go a few weeks without flying.


Airport bars suck. I don't care how much ambiance you want in your farking bar its not worth 8 bucks a beer and 10 bucks a shot.

Free comps? They're awesome and I love them. On Airtran its FREE booze. All you can drink for duration of the flight. Awesome.
 
2013-09-30 04:33:41 PM

LineNoise: How do you know that I'm not very anxious when it comes to flying, and that drink helps steady me so I am comfortable on the plane?


Yeah, that's the excuse use on my wife when I come home drunk from the airport. Which is often.
 
2013-09-30 04:37:39 PM
If I could fly JAL or Korean Air domestically, I would. I have yet to fly a U.S. airline that didn't make me a bit embarrassed for my countrymen. It's bad enough that we deal with their service, but also think of the poor foreigners who are caught unawares while on a trip. NOT a good impression, they're getting.

URAPNIS: If you wear flops or high heels on an airplane, you're not very bright.
Comfortable is one thing, tripping all over yourself while navigating your way through the fiery rubble is another.
Especially if I'm behind you.

Now sit back and relax. We'll push away from the gate momentarily.


Anyone who's ever worked in or around the aviation field knows to wear long pants and secure, full coverage shoes on flights. When I see folks riding in pantyhose and sandals, I shudder; I've seen pics of what happens to passengers who tried to evacuate while wearing those.
 
2013-09-30 04:40:39 PM

eajc4f: If I could fly JAL or Korean Air domestically, I would. I have yet to fly a U.S. airline that didn't make me a bit embarrassed for my countrymen. It's bad enough that we deal with their service, but also think of the poor foreigners who are caught unawares while on a trip. NOT a good impression, they're getting.

URAPNIS: If you wear flops or high heels on an airplane, you're not very bright.
Comfortable is one thing, tripping all over yourself while navigating your way through the fiery rubble is another.
Especially if I'm behind you.

Now sit back and relax. We'll push away from the gate momentarily.

Anyone who's ever worked in or around the aviation field knows to wear long pants and secure, full coverage shoes on flights. When I see folks riding in pantyhose and sandals, I shudder; I've seen pics of what happens to passengers who tried to evacuate while wearing those.


Yeah, they get run over by a firetruck!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-30 04:47:02 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: "We've moved from takeaways to enhancements," says John F. Thomas of L.E.K. Consulting. "It's all about personalizing the travel experience."

Bullshiat.  It's about making the most amount of money for the least amount of service possible, an charging out the ass for what little service you do offer.

STFU.


OK. At the risk of causing a singularity and imploding the entire universe and the enveloping ether in which it resides I really MUST agree most whole-hardheartedly with BM here.

Flying used to be something nice, something special. Good times. Now? I liken it to being forced to understand what cattle must experience on their way to the abattoir.

Farking horrible.
 
2013-09-30 04:52:50 PM
If you don't like the flying experience than don't fly.  As long as you understand what you're givin g up (speed, safety, arrival time, etc...) there's nothing to complain about.

/the people that complain the most, fly the least
//they're the reasons why airfare is for the lowest common denominator
///It's not your living room on a Sunday morning, it's a multimillion engineering masterpiece.  Treat it as such
 
2013-09-30 04:52:55 PM

LineNoise: Do people gripe about greyhound not offering free drink service, or a super comfy seat?


I rode greyhound once.  The seats were more comfortable than airline seats, as far as I know they still offer free bags, etc...

People tend to get irked by 'ala cart' service because it's a much more expensive option if you're not getting the bare minimum.
Somebody mentioned that sides are traditionally extra at steak places.  All the steak places I've been to included sides, but consider the model.  There are transactional costs with each billing item, making it more expensive per item than bundles.

Place A can offer a Steak meal for $20 and toss about a buck's worth of potatoes, vegetables, and such with each meal.
Place B can offer said steak for $18 and charge $3 for a potato, vegetable, or whatever else you want.

If you're just eating steak, B is cheaper.  Start adding sides and A is.

Think about it guys - doughnuts cheaper by the dozen.  Cases cheaper than individual packets.  Bundle deals.

If first class wasn't so often 4X the price, I'd consider it more often.
 
2013-09-30 04:54:06 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Trocadero: They charge extra for Emergency Exit rows now.

Not yet on Air Canada or WestJet, the two airlines that I fly most.  Hope their execs aren't reading fark today.

IndyMBA: I think the stewardesses on United were delivered by Boeing with the planes and have been programed to be as surly as possible.

United is the Air Canada "Star Alliance" partner so I've flown them a lot to and from LA.  Totally agree with you on that.  Especially compared to Air Canada (gets a lot of kvetching from Canadian travelers but I've never found them to be too bad) and ESPECIALLY compared to the other Star Alliance carriers I've flown (Air China, Swissair, Lufthansa) the United staff seem to be cartoonishly / sit-comishly bad at their jobs.  Hope their execs ARE reading Fark today.


I fly pretty much only with WestJet while I'm down south, but I haven't been too thrilled with their "premium" seating things they started recently.  Seems like every seat is premium now, at least when I tried to book most recently.

The one thing they do have going for them is not overbooking, which is the single reason I won't fly Air Canada.  I live waaay the hell north, and there is not a chance that I'm going to risk getting bumped off my red eye back to Ontario...

On the other hand, there's First Air or Canadian North, who have exemplary service; hot meal, free wine, warm cookies!  All for the low low price of ~$1700 return per person on my last flight... Meh, we're way up north, we're used to the bend over prices...
 
2013-09-30 04:56:12 PM

gja: Flying used to be something nice, something special. Good times. Now? I liken it to being forced to understand what cattle must experience on their way to the abattoir.


From what I understand, fly first class.  It's closer to what flying used to cost, and still has all the frills.
 
2013-09-30 05:03:28 PM

The Fett: it's a multimillion engineering masterpiece.  Treat it as such


No. No, it's really not.
 
2013-09-30 05:04:09 PM

durbnpoisn: ikanreed: Dafatone: Flying remains cheaper now than it's just about ever been.

But please, keep complaining that too many other people are flying as well or that you wish you could get a 50 cent bag of peanuts.

I will complain about the fact that the seats are too close together for a person my height(exactly average for an adult male), which causes substantial pain for the hours I'm on the plane.  I didn't mind the 10% higher prices.

I'm 6'2" and I've yet to find an airline seat outside of first class that I can sit in comfortably.  My knees touch against the seat in front and I have to hold my arms tightly against my side for the entire trip.  It sucks.


6'5 here -- my trick when i'm stuck in coach is to simply take off my shoes and slide my feed over them into the space beneath the seat. Works in MOST cases. 

My other issue is that my shoulders are wider than the seats. Sitting by the aisle isn't too awful if you don't mind being clubbed in the shoulder by every passer-by.
 
2013-09-30 05:05:22 PM

LineNoise: Part of the problem is with the internet, and all of the ticketing sites, airlines now have to concentrate on offering the lowest published price possible. Even if Delta is superior in every respect to United, someone who flies once or twice a year where loyalty stuff doesn't matter is just going to go with whomever comes up the cheapest in the ballpark time range they want to leave at on kayak or whatever.

20 years ago airlines could afford to differentiate themselves with their services, because when you went to book a flight you either went through a travel agent, or picked up the phone to the airline you thought of first, or had enjoyed flying in the past, to see if they had something in your scheduled time range. Assuming they did, you wouldn't bother calling 5 other carriers to see who could save you $8.

For those of you who say Jet Blue and SouthWest are awesome, you clearly have never flown them when something goes wrong. You really get what you pay for then.

Sure, part of me longs for the day of air travel of old, where people cared how they dressed, you got fed, the drink service was good, etc, but really, how important is that? Even going transcontinental you are only sitting on the plane for 6 hours. Is it so difficult to grab a bite to eat (which even from the food court would be better than it was on the plane in the "good old days") or sit in a seat that is a little smaller than you'd like? BTW, I'm 6'2, and fit just fine in a normal coach seat.

As for baggage fees and stuff like that, if you travel enough where $25 a flight is a concern, there are ways to avoid not paying them, such as carrying an airline credit card, being in their frequent flyer program, etc.

I always get the suspicion that the people who complain the most about this stuff are the same people who get on a flight wearing flip flops, sweat pants, and a Nascar tshirt.


Blame the TSA for how people dress on the airplane. You need shoes you can get on and off quickly - no laces strongly preferable. You need pants that won't fall down when you take your belt off and hold your arms over your head. Although anyone who isn't traveling for business and dresses up nice - dude, this ain't the 50s when everyone had loads of space and real silverware and flying was only for the super rich. Nice clothes are uncomfortable and wrinkle up when you're crammed in tiny seats (which yes, have gotten smaller or at least less legroom in the last 20 years or so, even as people have gotten bigger).... people dressed for comfort even back in the 80s, just it was usually jeans instead of sweatpants and sneakers instead of whatever else.

But there were always kids screaming and kicking your seats. I never liked flying, because of that, and because the air quality is just terrible - like "this is borderline not to trigger my asthma" terrible. Needs. More. Oxygen. And less recirculated germs.
 
2013-09-30 05:06:20 PM

jvowles: My other issue is that my shoulders are wider than the seats. Sitting by the aisle isn't too awful if you don't mind being clubbed in the shoulder by every passer-by.


Persons larger than economy seats should buy two seats or first class.

I'm not saying you do this, but most oversized persons just intrude into the personal space of those unfortunate enough to sit next to them.

Then again, I feel like they're far too lax with carry ons these days.
 
2013-09-30 05:07:35 PM

Larmer: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Trocadero: They charge extra for Emergency Exit rows now.

Not yet on Air Canada or WestJet, the two airlines that I fly most.  Hope their execs aren't reading fark today.

IndyMBA: I think the stewardesses on United were delivered by Boeing with the planes and have been programed to be as surly as possible.

United is the Air Canada "Star Alliance" partner so I've flown them a lot to and from LA.  Totally agree with you on that.  Especially compared to Air Canada (gets a lot of kvetching from Canadian travelers but I've never found them to be too bad) and ESPECIALLY compared to the other Star Alliance carriers I've flown (Air China, Swissair, Lufthansa) the United staff seem to be cartoonishly / sit-comishly bad at their jobs.  Hope their execs ARE reading Fark today.

I fly pretty much only with WestJet while I'm down south, but I haven't been too thrilled with their "premium" seating things they started recently.  Seems like every seat is premium now, at least when I tried to book most recently.

The one thing they do have going for them is not overbooking, which is the single reason I won't fly Air Canada.  I live waaay the hell north, and there is not a chance that I'm going to risk getting bumped off my red eye back to Ontario...

On the other hand, there's First Air or Canadian North, who have exemplary service; hot meal, free wine, warm cookies!  All for the low low price of ~$1700 return per person on my last flight... Meh, we're way up north, we're used to the bend over prices...


I'll be the first to admit that UAL Flight Attendants are the most horrible in the known galaxy, however, if you are not a demanding passenger their IFE setups and content are some of the best.  Domestic is domestic (it's the bus), but internationally, the interior and offerings, aside from service, are pretty damn good.
 
2013-09-30 05:09:35 PM

Cid_Highwind: The Fett: it's a multimillion engineering masterpiece.  Treat it as such

No. No, it's really not.


Yes, yes...it really is.  Let me know when you find an A320 or 737 on CraigsList.
 
2013-09-30 05:10:40 PM

LineNoise: vrax: LineNoise: I always get the suspicion that the people who complain the most about this stuff are the same people who get on a flight wearing flip flops, sweat pants, and a Nascar tshirt.

You look down upon people who want to be comfortable when they fly?  Do you scowl at them as you lift the tea to your lips, pinky held high?

What about airline travel makes people think they can look like an absolute slob when they do it. Is that 3 hour flight to St Louis really such a burden on you that you need to dress like you were going to bed or the gym to get on it?

You looking like a slob just cheapens the experience for everyone else on the plane. Then everyone acts all shocked when the airlines follow suit.


Who, precisely, am I meant to impress? 

For me, it's the fact that I'm going to spend 4+ hours in a cramped, unpleasant space that I don't really fit in to begin with, and will be carrying a backpack and man-satchel and often bolting from one gate to another.  I prefer not to sweat through my decent clothes.

But I will wear jeans, a comfy button-down shirt, and sometimes a hoody. Usually shoes that I can slip on and off, but not always.
 
2013-09-30 05:11:00 PM

Firethorn: Place A can offer a Steak meal for $20 and toss about a buck's worth of potatoes, vegetables, and such with each meal.


If you are eating in a place with a steak meal for $20, you aren't eating what most people would consider a steak dinner.


Firethorn: If first class wasn't so often 4X the price, I'd consider it more often.


Here is the thing, it isn't 4x enough if you fly enough. I sit up front probably 2/3rds the time I fly, either through a complimentary upgrade, or by using points I have. United knows I'm in a market where I can switch to delta or american, and they know I'm someone who flys very regularly, who will want to stick with one airline as often as possible to get perks. They also know I frequently book on a short notice, change flights around a lot, and don't care if their fare is 10 bucks more than someone elses. So I'm very valuable to them. Why they might make 20 bucks off a guy flying coach who bought his ticket 4 months ago, they are probably making 500 bucks off me because my boss called me last night and said "be in toledo tomorrow morning".

When you get on the plane and see the 15 or 20 people sitting in first class, probably 5 of them actually paid the full first class fare, if that. The rest of the people are their on points or some other upgrade.
 
2013-09-30 05:12:42 PM

Madbassist1: LineNoise: I fly on average at least once a week. I have never had a problem with the TSA. Sure, occasionally i'll open my suitcase to find a note saying they took a peak in it,


Why do you need a farking suitcase? Also, I try to be as comfortable as possible when flying. T-Shirt and shorts if possible. It's silly not to do it.


Shorts on an airplane? Are you flying some magic airline where it doesn't get down to like 50 degrees (F) at cruising altitude?
 
2013-09-30 05:12:49 PM

jvowles: For me, it's the fact that I'm going to spend 4+ hours in a cramped, unpleasant space that I don't really fit in to begin with, and will be carrying a backpack and man-satchel and often bolting from one gate to another.  I prefer not to sweat through my decent clothes.


time to get in shape if you can't sit in a seat for 4 hours without getting covered in sweat.
 
2013-09-30 05:13:24 PM

LineNoise: When you get on the plane and see the 15 or 20 people sitting in first class, probably 5 of them actually paid the full first class fare, if that. The rest of the people are their on points or some other upgrade.


This
 
2013-09-30 05:15:01 PM

LineNoise: vrax: To be fair, on a multimillion dollar passenger plane it is a little absurd not to have USB power ports for devices these days.  It's not exactly expensive new tech.

Your right, it isn't  that expensive. Until you need to add it to a few hundred airplanes in your fleet. And then fix it when it breaks from 30 different people a day plugging and unplugging stuff, who don't care about it. Ever wonder why there are two headphone jacks on your seat on most planes? Its so if one breaks, they don't have an angry flyer.

Now lets assume 100 people, (half a decent sized plane) plug in a device to charge. That added power has to come from somewhere, which means more fuel to burn. the cabling, ports, power generation, etc is all more weight that the plane has to cart around, and again, fuel it has to burn, even if that plane is only half full, or if only 3 people really need to charge stuff.


um... no, it's because the older style airplane headphones used a dual-prong connecter.

And the cost of that upgrade is high -- but for new planes, like Virgin America uses, it's standard and wonderful.
 
2013-09-30 05:17:25 PM

Cid_Highwind: The Fett: it's a multimillion engineering masterpiece.  Treat it as such

No. No, it's really not.


More like lowest common denominator.
 
2013-09-30 05:17:39 PM
"...and letting passengers pay to have an empty seat next to them."

This worries me a lot.

I try to move into seats that have an open seat next to them either before or after take-off, but now I can imagine them keeping track of which seats are open, and telling me I have to go back to my assigned seat.

Flying gets crappier and crappier every year.
 
2013-09-30 05:17:59 PM
Remember when you used to pay a reasonable fee or price for a basic service and the company did it's damndest to throw in everything in the world to show you it deserved your money? Remember when companies weren't competing with lawyers to squeeze blood from your stones?
 
2013-09-30 05:19:57 PM
It really is a shame that freight gets treated better than people on an airplane.
But, then, that's where the money is.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-30 05:20:16 PM

Firethorn: gja: Flying used to be something nice, something special. Good times. Now? I liken it to being forced to understand what cattle must experience on their way to the abattoir.

From what I understand, fly first class.  It's closer to what flying used to cost, and still has all the frills.


No thanks. 1st class is far too often full of stiffs.

/CSB
I used to fly People's Express to Florida every couple of months back in the day (was young, single and like the girls who vaca'd in FL).
Seemed to get the same crew fairly often. Captain had a propensity for shoving the stalks ALL the way to the dashboard. Pisser of a takeoff, I loved it.
There was one female flight attendant who was hot and freeeeaaaky. She would sometimes sit on my lap and we would rap. Other times? Well I will omit that here.
The male flight attendant was wasting his talent working there. He was so goddamned funny. He really should have had a stand-up routine.
The man was hilarious, like laugh until your vision blurred funny. And we all had the greatest time on those flights.
I still remember when he pranked the entire plane by saying "please make your checks payable to (his name) and some old folks who weren't hip to the inside joke actually did! When he showed us the checks my buddy shot his drink through his nose.
We all laughed, had fun, made fun of each other and ourselves. Good times, good times. Oh, and $50 each way down to Sarasota-Bradenton.
/CSB
 
2013-09-30 05:21:59 PM
I'm glad the last time I flew was in 06. I love planes and flying, but I hate airports and airlines
 
2013-09-30 05:22:40 PM

jvowles: um... no, it's because the older style airplane headphones used a dual-prong connecter.

And the cost of that upgrade is high -- but for new planes, like Virgin America uses, it's standard and wonderful.


Aircraft are designed to last more than 30 yeaill refresh the interior from about every 10 years.  Virgin America has been in business operating in the US since 2009.  So, pretty soon even their aircraft will feel 'old' to you.

Seriously, Seattle to Miami is about the longest direct ride you can take in the US.  That's about 6 hours of battery life,
 
2013-09-30 05:24:13 PM

The Fett: As long as you understand what you're givin g up (speed, safety, arrival time, norovirus, pissing/shiatting your pants while sitting on the tarmac for 3+ hours, etc...)


Just a couple other things people are giving up.
 
2013-09-30 05:25:25 PM

LineNoise: Firethorn: Place A can offer a Steak meal for $20 and toss about a buck's worth of potatoes, vegetables, and such with each meal.

If you are eating in a place with a steak meal for $20, you aren't eating what most people would consider a steak dinner.


Um...no, that's about the going rate at the nation's largest "family" steak houses: Outback, Longhorn, etc.

Most dinners out at such places cost roughly one yuppy food stamp.

The next step up is the $30-$40 range and THAT usually comes with a side.

It's only the old-school style steak houses, like Morton's, Ruth's Chris, Fleming's, etc. that your steak starts at $35 and each side order costs a ten-spot.  Still, you can usually get a deal on them.  Restaurant week is a lovely thing.  You're paying more for quality, sure.

And then there's the REALLY nice places where the amount on the check only matters to you when you're adding gratuity.
 
2013-09-30 05:27:50 PM

vrax: The Fett: As long as you understand what you're givin g up (speed, safety, arrival time, norovirus, pissing/shiatting your pants while sitting on the tarmac for 3+ hours, etc...)

Just a couple other things people are giving up.


DId you experience all of those at one time or was this from a Daily Mail article on Fark?
 
2013-09-30 05:32:42 PM

The Fett: vrax: The Fett: As long as you understand what you're givin g up (speed, safety, arrival time, norovirus, pissing/shiatting your pants while sitting on the tarmac for 3+ hours, etc...)

Just a couple other things people are giving up.

DId you experience all of those at one time or was this from a Daily Mail article on Fark?


Norovirus?  Yes.  The only time I've ever had my body turn into a fountain of horror.

The pissing/shiatting your pants is just taken from the numerous flights delayed on tarmac for extended periods without access to the restrooms, like they aren't carrying humans or something.
 
2013-09-30 05:33:03 PM

The Fett: Yes, yes...it really is.  Let me know when you find an A320 or 737 on CraigsList.


Easily found on the airliner equivalent, anyway.

Look, if budget airliners are "engineering masterpieces" so was my '87 Honda Prelude. They're all basically following the same basic template from the 1940s with incremental improvements. Just because they cost a lot of money to buy and maintain doesn't mean they're impressive, it just means they're large.

Aluminum tube. Control surfaces. Suck squeeze bang blow. Get fellated by Louis CK wannabes. It's quite a racket.
 
2013-09-30 05:36:40 PM

Cid_Highwind: The Fett: Yes, yes...it really is.  Let me know when you find an A320 or 737 on CraigsList.

Easily found on the airliner equivalent, anyway.

Look, if budget airliners are "engineering masterpieces" so was my '87 Honda Prelude. They're all basically following the same basic template from the 1940s with incremental improvements. Just because they cost a lot of money to buy and maintain doesn't mean they're impressive, it just means they're large.

Aluminum tube. Control surfaces. Suck squeeze bang blow. Get fellated by Louis CK wannabes. It's quite a racket.


Guess how I know you know nothing about airplanes....Come on...guess.
 
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