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(Washington Post)   Washington, DC is considering granting additional powers to the rent-a-cops who patrol its universities to help address the ongoing and horrific tragedy of loud parties that happen at night   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 48
    More: Stupid, d.c. council, District of Columbia, George Washington, police power, Foggy Bottom, Howard University, Student Press Law Center  
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2013-09-30 11:00:47 AM
In Texas the state university cops are licensed peace officers with jurisdiction in any county their employing university has a campus.
 
2013-09-30 11:01:11 AM
www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-09-30 11:02:40 AM

wildcardjack: In Texas the state university cops are licensed peace officers with jurisdiction in any county their employing university has a campus.


Same for California. I went to community college, so all the security i dealt wih there were just parking, access control, safety escorts, etc.

/former security guard
 
2013-09-30 11:02:48 AM
the (ongoing) rise of private (armies) security forces

(history has done this before)
 
2013-09-30 11:03:26 AM
George Washington Univeristy Police are sworn police officers, not security officers.  This is just an issue about giving them extended jurisdiction.  Most police departments around the nation have overlapping jurisdiction agreements so they can operate a certain distance into another agencies area.
 
2013-09-30 11:03:49 AM
Maybe they'll shut down the Republican Party. Their constant antics are driving down property values.
 
2013-09-30 11:06:29 AM
FTFA: Susan Lampton, who has lived in Foggy Bottom for 15 years, welcomed the added campus police protection and would like it to return. She said student parties have gotten louder and more disruptive. But she said it's embarrassing to trouble District officers with nuisance crimes. "Maybe there's a rape across the city and I'd rather have them go to that than my noise complaint," she said.

Then maybe you should STFU and not complain.
 
2013-09-30 11:06:32 AM
f yeah more cops that will make kids stop having parties,

Come on kids are pretty smart party with the doors locked the end.
 
2013-09-30 11:07:49 AM

Click Click D'oh: George Washington Univeristy Police are sworn police officers, not security officers.  This is just an issue about giving them extended jurisdiction.  Most police departments around the nation have overlapping jurisdiction agreements so they can operate a certain distance into another agencies area.


Right.

It would seem in this case that the District police can't or haven't been able to properly administer their duties in those neighborhoods around GWU. The other option is to increase taxes and have greater police pressure in the areas adjacent to the campus. But I doubt the people who live there think they should have to pay for their peace and quiet, so instead they will ask the university to take the extra measures being discussed in the article.
 
2013-09-30 11:08:18 AM
This is actually a pretty compelling need. A large number of campuses, nationwide, have jokes for campus police. Thus, anything of actual importance must be handled by an actual cop.


/ I mean; why bother having them at all, if they can't do shiat?
 
2013-09-30 11:08:55 AM
My heart breaks for those poor college kids, being forced to be considerate of their neighbors and denied the right to be obnoxiously loud at 3am.
 
2013-09-30 11:19:08 AM
i1.ytimg.com

DRA

Soooooo... make people who could NOT make the cut to be police officers into basically police officers. gotcha
 
2013-09-30 11:19:28 AM
Hey subby, University police aren't "rent a cops", but please take video the next time you are on campus so we can watch the hilarity ensue as you learn this.
 
2013-09-30 11:20:03 AM

Infernalist: My heart breaks for those poor college kids, being forced to be considerate of their neighbors and denied the right to be obnoxiously loud at 3am.


Nailed it. I lived near a university for 16 years.
 
2013-09-30 11:22:11 AM
ahh... looked at the article...

still dumb... lets make the campus safe by placing campus security FATHER from it. :) still stupid
 
2013-09-30 11:23:00 AM
"We have no interest whatsoever in enforcing any criminal laws off campus," Gruber said. "I would like to be able to go off campus, as a university official, and interact with students who are causing a disruption.

Um...

If a disruption is loud enough to warrant an authority response, isn't it already going to be violating peace/decency laws?

So what he meant was:
"We have no interest whatsoever in enforcing any criminal laws off campus," Gruber said. "I would like to be able to go off campus, as a university official, and enforce criminal laws due to students who are causing a disruption."
 
2013-09-30 11:24:06 AM
Why the fark does GWU need a campus police force? It's not an isolated campus located in the middle of nowhere, it's a few city blocks in the densely populated center of one of the largest cities in America.
 
2013-09-30 11:27:10 AM
Generally, the primary reason for living OFF campus was to avoid University shenanigans and loud parties.
 
2013-09-30 11:33:59 AM

ToastTheRabbit: DRA

Soooooo... make people who could NOT make the cut to be police officers into basically police officers. gotcha


ode to the rent-a-cop
 
2013-09-30 11:34:56 AM
Hmm.. I wonder if that state highway patrolman who worked extra hours as a college rent-a-cop, ever decided that working extra hours wasn't worth it.
 
2013-09-30 11:38:45 AM
I just kind of assumed university cops were actual cops everywhere.  Here in NC every campus I went to while I was in school had its own police force, not security.

And they were typically less douchey than 'regular' cops, especially if you showed them the same respect any other adult deserves, rather than go off on a drunk white kid rant.
 
2013-09-30 11:41:56 AM
Allowing campus police to have jurisdiction (other than "hot pursuit") off campus is a terrible idea.  For one thing, unlike a city/county/state police force they are not answerable to any elected higher power; for another, they have a totally different set of priorities than a local police force does.

The off-campus folks who have problems with GW students should call the DC cops like everyone else does.  The general DC public that are not students at GW should never have to interact with a GW cop unless they are on GW property.
 
2013-09-30 11:47:32 AM

Target Builder: Why the fark does GWU need a campus police force? It's not an isolated campus located in the middle of nowhere, it's a few city blocks in the densely populated center of one of the largest cities in America.


Which is why they need a campus security force.
 
2013-09-30 11:59:44 AM
Yeah, it's been a problem near Georgetown.

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/hoya
 
2013-09-30 11:59:58 AM
The answer should be "NO" and the reason if the local towns/citys had a brain, is "liability".
If the city allows the university rent-a-cops to operate off campus then they are leaving the city open for lawsuits and other claims against them or in joint with the campus. 

Why is it that every type of "police" organization is trying for more and more powers of enforcement and the  tools and equipment to do so, while still intentionally employing those with low IQ's and can legally defend why they discriminate to do just so?  I'm confused!
 
2013-09-30 12:01:25 PM
My campus cops were real cops... kind of. They were actual police, but they also took "protect and serve" seriously. As in, they "served" campus by "protecting" us from county cops that would occasionally show up to bust a party. It was a relief on more than one occasion to hear one of those guys say "we'll take it from here".
 
2013-09-30 12:07:22 PM
I've been on both sides of these sorts of disputes in my life and no issue is black and white. We had drunken parting and fighting in my apartment building last week and the police were involved.  I've also gotten complaints for having a shower at 1 AM.  I told my landlord that he can stuff it and fix my fixtures/plumbing if there is a problem but there is no way I'm going to bed without a shower after a shift in a brewery.

People often forget that for every loud asshole there is always one busybody who can't stand the slightest indication that other human beings exist.
 
2013-09-30 12:11:59 PM
That is odd since DC tried railroading a certain wannabe cop, rent a cop, etc... in Florida

/Ah ok go ahead and  drink.... ZIMMERMAN!
 
2013-09-30 12:21:46 PM
I've never been on a college campus where the "rent-a-cops" weren't an actual police force.

But, whatever. I'm sure you have a point. The cops on campus shouldn't have police powers in the surrounding neighborhood full of students because reasons. I'm sure you wouldn't also piss and whine about taxes going up if they paid a million or two to expand the local police's size instead.
 
2013-09-30 12:23:54 PM
MOAR COPS!  WE NEED MOAR COPS!  Not enought steeenkeng badges!

Cooperate, Citizen!
 
2013-09-30 12:28:15 PM
You don't want the campus goons to have any more power than your average autistic person has.
 
2013-09-30 12:28:39 PM
Because if rent-a-cops need anything, it's MORE POWER.
Right?
 
2013-09-30 12:34:00 PM

wildcardjack: In Texas the state university cops are licensed peace officers with jurisdiction in any county their employing university has a campus.


Yeah.  All of the 4-year University of Wisconsin system schools have their own police forces.  Sworn officers, not just security people.

It makes Madison kind of amusing.  In this mid-sized city, there are 4 different sworn police forces with jurisdiction if you stand in the right spot.  City of Madison, Dane County Sheriffs, Capitol, and University of Wisconsin.
 
2013-09-30 12:34:31 PM
Growing up in northern Virginia, I tend to assume all rent-a-cops are actual LEOs.

Even our mall cops were. And the college cops, of course.

Of course, northern Virginia really likes its cops.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%e2%80%9cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_r e ading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/
 
2013-09-30 12:34:48 PM

wildcardjack: In Texas the state university cops are licensed peace officers with jurisdiction in any county their employing university has a campus.


Arizona the university police are state police. Jurisdiction anywhere.

I thought this was normal.
 
2013-09-30 12:41:06 PM
They obviously need a SWAT team on campus.
Go Amerika!

/this would be so much easier if you citizens would just accept authority, it is good for you
//oh, and hand those gunz, mmkay?
 
2013-09-30 12:43:02 PM
Cue the former "security guards" who have an issue with "rent a cop"
 
2013-09-30 12:50:16 PM
Simile for this well thought idea ...

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2013-09-30 12:52:48 PM

Infernalist: My heart breaks for those poor college kids, being forced to be considerate of their neighbors and denied the right to be obnoxiously loud at 3am.


THIS!!!
annoyed the fark out of me even when I was in college. No I wasn't studying, just lazy....

snocone: /this would be so much easier if you citizens would just accept authority, it is good for you
//oh, and hand those gunz, mmkay?


This would be so much easier if you citizens would just accept resonsibility for acting like an adult and being respectful of your fellow (sleeping) neighbors
 
2013-09-30 01:02:40 PM

iheartscotch: This is actually a pretty compelling need. A large number of campuses, nationwide, have jokes for campus police.

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Stoners vs. Campus Police:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnp0A8vm3uc

Despite the crappy camera work, still probably top 25 funniest internet videos I've seen. It's much older than this upload.... this is the first one I found....
 
2013-09-30 01:10:05 PM
When I was an undergrad, I had parties busted by both GPS and Metro PD... frankly, there was no difference between the two -- they both said, "Whoa, cool lighting effects" and "try to keep it down", and both refused my offer of a beer.

The BIG difference between the two is that the larger parties, such as "Rally in the Alley" didn't hire off-duty campus security to sit outside in their patrol car to prevent larger security action.  Instead, it wasn't uncommon to see a marked police cruiser out front while the party raged out back.

There's a much easier solution:  where you have problem tenets, just go through all the efforts that people do to combat crack houses... keep detailed evidence as to the issues going on, and file a small claims court suit against the owner of the property.  Problem solved.
 
2013-09-30 01:21:20 PM
As someone who worked a 9-5 with neighbors who partied EVERY NIGHT until 4am, I ain't making jokes about this.
 
2013-09-30 01:29:42 PM

cwheelie: Infernalist: My heart breaks for those poor college kids, being forced to be considerate of their neighbors and denied the right to be obnoxiously loud at 3am.

THIS!!!
annoyed the fark out of me even when I was in college. No I wasn't studying, just lazy....

snocone: /this would be so much easier if you citizens would just accept authority, it is good for you
//oh, and hand those gunz, mmkay?

This would be so much easier if you citizens would just accept resonsibility for acting like an adult and being respectful of your fellow (sleeping) neighbors


Tell ya what,
We both hold our breath, you, until humans act acceptably.
Me until the Campus Cops are militarized.

GO!
 
2013-09-30 01:30:16 PM
And, once the university cops have arrest powers, maybe they can just go the other way, and have all police officers being University cops.  All the powers, and no need to release police reports.
 
2013-09-30 02:13:17 PM
Yes, because what we need here in DC are more armed law enforcement agencies with overlapping jurisdictions.
 
2013-09-30 02:33:15 PM
When citizens all look like nails, put away the hammers.
 
2013-09-30 06:00:34 PM
Wait, this is a new problem?  Didn't the college students have late, loud parties in the 90's, the 80's, the 70's, the 60's, the 50's.........
 
2013-09-30 09:39:51 PM

dali's perspective: Wait, this is a new problem?  Didn't the college students have late, loud parties in the 90's, the 80's, the 70's, the 60's, the 50's.........


I was at GWU in the early 90's and I remember leaving a party on 25th street, walking behind some bushes, and taking the longest leak of my entire life.  Midway through I heard muffled screaming and when I looked down I realized I was pissing on some poor woman's basement apartment window.

It was awkward, but I powered through and finished.  Sometimes once the dam breaks there's just no stopping.
 
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