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(The Daily Caller)   Climate change denialist still in denial   ( divider line
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2013-09-30 08:44:02 AM  
3 votes:
Lindzen isn't just some amateur contrarian, he's a professional.
2013-09-30 08:40:30 AM  
3 votes:
Look, if you can't be 100% sure about something, then you shouldn't do anything.  That's always the best policy.
2013-09-30 02:35:47 PM  
2 votes:

SlothB77: brantgoose: Once upon a time there was a rich and powerful young King and Queen

WTF am i reading?

Sleeping Booty

from  Mother Brantgoose's Fairy Tales for Climate Change Deniers

Other titles in this series:

Snow White, Soot Black: The Role of particulate matter in Arctic ice decline

The Three Little Denialists and the Big Bad Wolf at the Door, talking denial from strawmen to stonewalling

Little Red Commie Hoaxer

Chicken Little and the Falling Stratospheric Measurements

The Three Wise Men of Gotham and Sea Level Rise

The Calico Cat and the Gingham Dog: the Role of China and America in climate change action prevention

The Three Polar Bears Go Extinct Due to Sea Ice Decline

I've got a thousand of 'em.
2013-09-30 10:41:56 AM  
2 votes:
From Linzen's wiki page, take with salt grain:

"In November 2004, climate change skeptic Richard Lindzen was quoted saying he'd be willing to bet that the earth's climate will be cooler in 20 years than it is today. When British climate researcher James Annan contacted him, however, Lindzen would only agree to take the bet if Annan offered a 50-to-1 payout."

So, he's a climate denier, but only if he gets 50-1 odds lol.
2013-09-30 10:11:26 AM  
2 votes:

JRoo: Uncle Tractor: [ image 802x576]

Hm ...

Should I believe the people who have dedicated their lives to studying the climate, or should I believe the people who are making huge fortunes on fossil fuel ...? Decisions, decisions ...

But millionaire scientists who get all their grant money through an international conspiracy of falsified data!

The fat cats at Big Science think they can fool us with all their data analysis mumbo jumbo.  Global warming is just a theory, like evolution or gravitational pull.
2013-09-30 09:01:51 AM  
2 votes:
A top climate scientist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology lambasted a new report by the UN's climate bureaucracy that blamed mankind as the main cause of global warming and whitewashed the fact that there has been a hiatus in warming for the last 15 years.

So it's OK for me to burn my tire pile?

Do I have to separate them from my styrofoam pile?
2013-09-30 06:13:19 PM  
1 vote:

AndEhBus: Here are my thoughts on global warming:

I'm stoked.

AndEhBus: As I understand it, the earth is either going into an ice-age or coming out of an ice-age. So common-sense tells me the earth either get's colder or warmer at any given time it doesn't stay the same.

This is true.  It was significantly warmer a few weeks ago for instance.  Today is a nice 70F.  But I bet there will be SNOW on the ground in mere months.  Global warming my ass, amirite?

AndEhBus: Together they are working tirelessly to advance their global warming agenda. Not to save the world but to grow government and increase government regulation in our lives.

Yeah, that makes sense.  Liberals don't care about anything other than just generally growing government for no purpose at all.  That's not a loony opinion at all.

AndEhBus: There have been numerous examples of the manipulation of data. Here are two blogs proving it.

I get my scientific information from blogs too.

AndEhBus: Unfortunately, there is a lot of dishonesty at play.

Thank you, good sir, for being the only honest one willing to post blogs and remind us the liberals just want to grow government for no reason whatsoever.  If only everyone was as honest as you.

AndEhBus: It would be beneficial if everyone called out the dishonesty and ridiculed those practicing it.

I would never ridicule people.

AndEhBus: Instead they are defended and the people who call them out are called fringe even though they may be correct

That never made sense to me.  Why is it, just because we know liberals are out to get us and want to grow government and tax us for no purpose whatsoever, we are considered fringe lunatics?  We're HEROES man, HEROES.

AndEhBus: If global warming is not real, we will be wasting trillions of dollars and potentially many lives.

Why don't liberals understand this?  If it turns out global warming is not real, people are going to DIE.  WAKE UP LIBS.  And it will waste trillions of dollars!  TRILLIONS.  Think about it.  We'll build what, lots of solar power plants or some shiat to get off of fossil fuels?  Mandate electric cars?  If global warming is false, those solar power plants are USELESS and those cars WONT WORK.  WAKE UP LIBS.

AndEhBus: It seems the end result they want is more taxes.

Definitely.  Most people don't notice this.  Global Warming is just a way for liberals to increase taxes.  Shiat, I once had a conversation with a liberal and the moment I even slightly admitted global warming might possibly be real dude stole my wallet.  What's up with that?  Can you imagine what they will do if we agree it's real?

AndEhBus: Finally, if global warming is real ... Start with strict carbon caps not taxes just limits. No profiteering from it. Something tells me we wouldn't be hearing about global warming if that was the case.

Exactly.  Liberals and their Prius filled fantasy worlds are in it for taxes, government and profits.  You don't see a single person making any money off of global warming remaining in question.  Cripes, libs act as if those are the most profitable companies in the world.

I like your honesty AndEhBus, you're the only decent guy here.
2013-09-30 04:27:58 PM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: Can anybody tell me a time when the climate was not changing?

I'll give you a million internets if you can.

According to several of you in these threads, it hasn't changed since 1998.

/deliver my internets when you can
2013-09-30 03:42:29 PM  
1 vote:

mrshowrules: Curious why you need to be convinced

His name isn't "Joe's Hill", it's ________.
2013-09-30 01:04:59 PM  
1 vote:
You keep saying that, with warmer climate, the waters of the oceans will be getting higher, but for the past several hours I've been watching the water recede from the beach. Obviously, you need to rethink your whole "global warming" schtick, Mister So-Called Scientist.
2013-09-30 12:55:15 PM  
1 vote:

Lindzen is one of the star denialists because he is one of a very, very few who are actually qualified to speak of climate science. But he is a contrarian and has been roundly criticized, as have his theories on climate mitigating factors and climate sensitivity. He is invested in a couple theories of his own which run contrary to the strong consensus of his colleagues and which if correct would represent mitigating negative feedback against climate change, but if wrong would represent dangerous denial and delay to needed action.

So let me tell you a little story.

Sleeping Beauty, the Story that Disney and the MSM Doesn't Dare Tell

Once upon a time there was a rich and powerful young King and Queen. After many years without a child, the Queen finally produced a fine girl child. All of the great fairy Godmothers were invited to the Christening of the child except for one dark fairy godmother whom everybody agreed was much too haughty and touchy.

On the appointed day, the Fairy Godmothers leaned over the cradle of the beautiful baby girl and granted her the best blessings that they could think of, but one of them wisely held back to see what would happen. She was right, for the uninvited Fairy Godmother swarmed into the nursery like shadows at nightfall and cursed the Infanta in her cradle, saying that she would prick her finger on a defective climate model and would sleep forever in the arms of Death.

Everybody was horribly terrified and shocked at the Evil Fairy Godmother except for the one little Fairy Godmother who had held back and not given her blessing yet. As the Evil Fairy Godmother stomped out of the nursery, muttering about super-cirrus clouds, the little Fairy Godmother approached the Princess and gave her blessing: "You will prick your finger on a faulty climate model," she said, "but you will not die, nor you will sleep for ever, for a handsome prince will come and awaken you with a kiss, as those rape-artists are wont to do."

And so it came to pass.

When the Princess was a young woman, she found her way into an old Ivory Tower and there she found a faulty climate model being spun by an old witch, and the witch, as it happened, was the Evil Fairy Godmother in disguise. So the Princess pricked her finger despite the Universal Spinning Ban Treaty and fell into a temporary plateau that could not be explained by existing theory despite the ongoing record high temperatures that year and every year of the Princess' short life.

The kingdom was in mourning, so they gathered the poor Princess up and put her in a glass museum case, and were all bored to sleep by lectures from engineers and medical doctors and petroleum geologists who all thought of themselves as scientists although they were mere weather men and girls with bells on their pyed dancing outfits like jesters. In other words, people who played scientist on the TV news and Fox rants.

And so the Princess slept until a handsome prince came along and hacked his way through the lies and briars of fossil fuel industry propaganda and science-hackery that had surrounded the science until it could no longer be seen from the road, and kissed the Princess like the Jaws of Life.

And the Princess woke and saw the handsome princess and together they woke up everybody but it was too late and a category six hurricane took out Washington, DC and the coast as far North as New York and as far South as Savannah, Georgia, and they all lived unhappily ever after, because even the Conservatives never realized what they had in liberal and democratic Washington until it was gone.
2013-09-30 12:48:53 PM  
1 vote:

T-Servo: But somehow people still think the greenhouse effect is "just a theory".

Ayup.  I had classed people who deny that the planet is warming as "first order climate change deniers" and those who deny that humans are responsible as "second order climate change deniers", and then I had to go back and create the category "zero order climate change deniers" for those who do not believe in the greenhouse effect.
2013-09-30 12:29:40 PM  
1 vote:

give me doughnuts: T-Servo: give me doughnuts: AndEhBus: Rev. Skarekroe: Look, if you can't be 100% sure about something, then you shouldn't do anything.  That's always the best policy.

What if the actions you take make it worse? You realize the last climate fad was global cooling. This was being pushed just as hard as global warming and believe it or not the church of global cooling is still be practiced by some. What if they are right and we going full-tilt to cool the planet and make a man-made ice age?

No, it wasn't. It was one or two papers (kind of like the one this article is about), and Time magazine decided to put it on the cover.

And the idea was often confused with Sagan's discussion of nuclear winter, which was part of a larger and much different critique of the Cold War, and some anomalous cold spells in the 1970s (I remember those as a kid).

But somehow people still think the greenhouse effect is "just a theory".

But when you tell them gravity is just a theory, they get all confused and defensive

Jesus invented gravity after he had Lazarus shot down with a Patriot missile.
2013-09-30 12:08:14 PM  
1 vote:

joeshill: In climate science, either you are part of the party line, or you are pariah. Look at Judith Curry. She was enormously respected and was generally in the "AGW is happening" camp. After climategate, she began to change her opinion slightly. (Into a "maybe I should be looking at evidence" viewpoint) And since then, she's been cast as an outcast by the likes of realclimate and skepticalscience (they have dubbed her a "Climate Misinformer").

I'll give you a chance to recognize the switch-up before giving you a hard time for it.
2013-09-30 11:39:15 AM  
1 vote:
I KNOW it is caused by the sun. The sun generates all the heat for this planet. I see all these so called college students don't know this. Do they not teach astrophysics and astronomy in college these days?

Another group of misinformed, low information liberals, drinking the kool aide. Sad, very sad.
2013-09-30 11:32:57 AM  
1 vote:

Pick: I don't deny it is happening, but I do not thing mankind's activities have anything to do with it. I think it is caused by the sun. This last sunspot cycle is proof positive of that. But the environazis will deny it. They want to blame people for it. Because that's what they do.

Thank you for that peer-reviewed study of your feelings. Very insightful.
2013-09-30 11:30:54 AM  
1 vote:

Pick: I think it is caused by the sun.

Ancient ignorant cultures thought the same thing about the cause of plagues.  Had about the same level of scientific support, too.
2013-09-30 11:00:56 AM  
1 vote:

Rev. Skarekroe: Look, if you can't be 100% sure about something, then you shouldn't do anything.  That's always the best policy.

I can't be 100% sure I'm not a brain in a jar being held in some matrix-esque simulation, but I am pretty sure bad things will happen to me if I live my life as if I were, yelling "Woo, there is no spoon!" as I dive off a building.
2013-09-30 10:50:48 AM  
1 vote:

joeshill: You might want to look up Richard Lindzen on Google Scholar.

I know Richard Lindzen; I'm an atmospheric scientist.  My point is that it's easy to run to an online pro-denier "news site" and talk smack about the IPCC report, but talk is cheap.  If he has the numbers to prove his assertion, I want to see a peer-reviewed publication in a reputable journal.  Let his criticisms stand up to peer-review, if he's so confident about them.

As long as he sings to the (layman's) choir on this, his words are meaningless.
2013-09-30 10:37:23 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-09-30 10:09:40 AM  
1 vote:

ModernPrimitive01: We've got no chance as a species

Oh, don't worry, we're dragging lots of other species into extinction with us.
2013-09-30 09:57:00 AM  
1 vote:
Republicans embrace climate science denial because the party has been firmly in the back pocket of various big energy concerns for decades.

Those concerns spend a lot of time and money in order to give ink to people like Richard Lindzen in order to muddy the waters of the debate.

Therefore, this latest Daily Caller hit piece should come as no surprise to anyone.

Gotta admit the unflattering  pic of Obama with a hand written note saying "Climate Shame" taped to this forehead did make me stop and go ...Really?

Then I remembered where I was.
2013-09-30 09:45:40 AM  
1 vote:

Uncle Tractor: [ image 802x576]

Hm ...

Should I believe the people who have dedicated their lives to studying the climate, or should I believe the people who are making huge fortunes on fossil fuel ...? Decisions, decisions ...

But millionaire scientists who get all their grant money through an international conspiracy of falsified data!
2013-09-30 09:29:14 AM  
1 vote:

Uncle Tractor: [ image 802x576]

Hm ...

Should I believe the people who have dedicated their lives to studying the climate, or should I believe the people who are making huge fortunes on fossil fuel ...? Decisions, decisions ...

But there are millions of dollars in handouts from the eeeeeebil gubmint going to everyone in the black.  You should trust the ones in the red, who get merely billions of dollars in handouts from good, honest, hard-working, mom-and-pop, multinational corporations.
2013-09-30 09:13:48 AM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: So it's OK for me to burn my tire pile?

Do you believe in Freedom or not?
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