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(Talking Points Memo)   Will the Senate override the house and pass the health care reform bill as written? Will the Tea Party politicians go through with the threatened shutdown? We find out today. It's your official Government Shutdown Threat thread   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-09-30 12:51:22 PM  

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.

that only works if somebody blinks.

the dems won't blink (nor should they - obamacare is the law of the land and has been voted on, signed, upheld as constitutional and reaffirmed by an election).

and the tea party won't blink.

so where does that leave us?


Praying someone opens the Arc of the Covenant in the House of Representatives.
 
2013-09-30 12:52:13 PM  

FunkyBlue: Is it strange to think we could buy a couple less jet fighters and the ACA would be paid for?


"Things we would do with the Pentagon's budget instead" lists are a reasonably common thing for further left orgs to put out as PR pieces.

They are uniformly depressing.
 
2013-09-30 12:53:29 PM  

Mercutio74: ManateeGag: yeah, if you don't like Elchip's troll alt, you don't have to come to Fark and read it.

Considering the quality of this year's troll harvest, ol' narrowcranium makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.


Honestly, I get accused of being a troll or alt generally when I'm not trying.

/you really don't want to see me try to troll. It's ugly. Like Aristocles ugly.
//though even I ignored him after the BOB bs
 
2013-09-30 12:53:57 PM  

Peki: BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF

I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.

*shrug* I've never liked 4chan. But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.


I come and go where I please, don't worry about me. Worry about partisanship and propaganda slowly diluting public opinion until nobody can ever come up with a consensus anymore. Governments and corporations aren't stupid. They see free speech on the internet as a threat to their political and financial aims. It's in their best interest to keep everyone misinformed and easily distracted.
 
2013-09-30 12:54:40 PM  

Ned Stark: born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.

Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.


Except when you shoot your hostage - and you only have one - what's your leverage?

If they shutdown the government now - how will they threaten us during the debt ceiling debate?
 
2013-09-30 12:55:15 PM  

wood0366: Two things:

Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat? To cause the credit rating of a first world country that seems to be the fiscal backbone of the planet slashed seems to be a rather bad idea.

Also, I'm still in the dark as to why 'tax and spend' seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard any compelling reason why this /isn't/ the case.


Canada had its credit rating dropped in the 1980's.  You know how we recovered it?  By raising taxes.
 
2013-09-30 12:57:07 PM  

BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF

I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.

*shrug* I've never liked 4chan. But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.

I come and go where I please, don't worry about me. Worry about partisanship and propaganda slowly diluting public opinion until nobody can ever come up with a consensus anymore. Governments and corporations aren't stupid. They see free speech on the internet as a threat to their political and financial aims. It's in their best interest to keep everyone misinformed and easily distracted.


And on that we can agree. *lifts glass*

Honestly, some of the rhetoric coming out of the House sounds like the prelude over states' rights before the Civil War.
 
2013-09-30 12:57:19 PM  

Bontesla: Ned Stark: born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.

Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.

Except when you shoot your hostage - and you only have one - what's your leverage?

If they shutdown the government now - how will they threaten us during the debt ceiling debate?


To remain obstinate and not raise the debt ceiling? Its a rather more serious matter.
 
2013-09-30 12:57:50 PM  

Bontesla: Ned Stark: born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.

Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.

Except when you shoot your hostage - and you only have one - what's your leverage?

If they shutdown the government now - how will they threaten us during the debt ceiling debate?


They are not shooting/killing the economy, they are mailing severed body parts of it to the Nation.  They can keep it up as long as they have the majority or the economy doesn't completely collapse.
 
2013-09-30 12:58:42 PM  

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

There was no surplus.  That is a myth.  It was simply Clintonian accounting smoke and mirrors.


That's a different take on things.  I thought that you guys attributed the Clinton surplus to Reagan's tax cuts bearing fruit, but now I've learned that it was just a lie.
 
2013-09-30 12:58:43 PM  
it would seem that the GOP won't be able to effectively threaten to not raise the debt ceiling after this.

1 - if they agree tonight, it will have been a failed threat - the next will be weaker for it
2 - if they continue to stonewall, depending on the timing, a second threat will permanently cast them as obstructionists and to a larger portion of voters.

there is no end game is there?
 
2013-09-30 12:59:22 PM  

BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.


Come now, you've been around for a while, the density of trolls hasn't changed much in the last decade or so.
 
2013-09-30 12:59:29 PM  

hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01:

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

I am willing to bet all those things, just with like Social Security, can be done with fewer people that currently assigned.  It is interesting how technology has allowed the private sector to reduce  the number of people performing administrative functions  bookkeepers, secretarial /typing pools, file clerks  etc.  but not so for government-why is that?    And I am not particularly upset that government employees might have to take out their own trash.

More Americans work for the government [22.5 million]  than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. . Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments [FY2010] is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Imagine what it is on the Federal level.

Lets us look at a few things

The Dept. of Agriculture has besides a Secretary has a Deputy Secretary and 7 Under Secretaries (all of whom have personal staffs) along with  20 other agencies/services and "corporations".. Many of which overlap functions  done by  Depts of State, Commerce, Interior, HUD and HHS.

The Department of Defense is even worse with 36 Assistant, Deputy Secretaries, and Directors.  This is not even counting what eh Depts of the Army , Navy and Air Force have.

Want to look at Homeland Security and  HHS?

Go ahead and argue that we don't have a lot of excess overhead in government.


Fine, I will.

While you do cite an impressive number of Directors, Assistant Directors and so on, do you have any idea how many people are managed by those cabinet level posts? For the Defense department (citation):
* 718,000 civilians
* 1.418,542 active duty military
* 1,100,000+ reserve

That's a lot of people, and I'm not counting much more than a few dozen top level managers in various cabinet posts. Compare that to an insurance company or a bank, and talk to me again about an organization that's top heavy.
 
2013-09-30 01:01:17 PM  

stratagos: Both sides are wrong, so vote for me! I promise a chicken in every pot, and all the members of the WBC will be sent to Gitmo


World Baseball Classic?
 
2013-09-30 01:02:03 PM  
out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?
 
2013-09-30 01:08:14 PM  

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


It could totally happen. We would start seeing the suspension of certain essential services that aren't funded through other means.
 
2013-09-30 01:09:54 PM  

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


I'm given to understand that tax cuts for the wealthy fixes pretty much everything.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:31 PM  

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/questions-and-answers- about-the-shutdown/2888419/

Let me know if that works.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:38 PM  

Cyclometh: Senate's gonna table the motion at 2 PM Eastern, the House GOP will whargaarbl and the government will shut down at midnight.

I originally predicted 3-5 days of shutdown. I'm upping that now to 2-3 weeks. But the GOP will eventually cave and pass a 3-6 month clean CR.

The big problem is that the debt ceiling is going to come a-callin' before the shutdown's over.


Yeah, I expect the shutdown to last through the debt ceiling fight.  The Teabaggers feel it's the best way now for a true 'starve the beast' plan on the nation.  Mainly due to the fact that money will probably have to be taken from things like the social safety net and regulatory agencies to continue to pay our creditors.  The only thing that would be sacrosanct at that point would be the money they shovel to the MIC.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:54 PM  

parasol: how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?


It's a Constitutional conflict. Congress is the sole entity allowed to direct spending and the sole entity allowed to borrow. They're enumerated separately and have been considered separate powers since the country was founded. However, the executive is obligated to spend via full faith and credit.

So either the Executive decides the 14th Amendment means that the power to borrow to meet obligations is implied in the spending bills, they figure out something out of left field like minting a trillion dollar coin, or the Executive just says fark it and lets the government default and let Congress sort out the massive, ridiculous mess. Pelosi has been arguing for the 14th Amendment solution, but Obama has been pushing back on it. Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.
 
2013-09-30 01:11:18 PM  

geek_mars: parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

I'm given to understand that tax cuts for the wealthy fixes pretty much everything.


FTFM
 
2013-09-30 01:13:08 PM  

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.
 
2013-09-30 01:14:55 PM  

born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.


You are forgetting about the Obamacare sign-up.  Once people start signing up it will be much more difficult for Republicans to argue for a repeal.   Every day that passes is another day with people signing up.  That is why they are going ape-shiat today.
 
2013-09-30 01:16:14 PM  

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


In order of descending probability

Obama declares the debt ceiling unconstitutional and orders the checks to be signed anyway. Lawsuits are filed, impeachment proceedings begin, constitutional crisis and supreme court derp for everyone.

Obama has the treasury mint a trillion dollar coin or two. Impeachment proceedings begin, inflation goes nuts.

The US straight up defaults. Global economy bursts into flames like a computer with 4 nvidia cards and no fan.
 
2013-09-30 01:17:19 PM  
parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

Aristocles: Alright, stand back everyone, I'll handle this one.

To your first question: nothing.
To your second question: the BOB administration couldn't change a flat tire
To your third: You are correct. It's not gonna happen. The RINOs in the Teaparty and the GOP will cave like they always do. They're not willing to let BOB drive this country off the Grand Canyon.


Okay - your response is "nothing will happen and the nothing won't happen because the GOP won't let the country go off the Grand Canyon".  So, it's nothing but a potential going over a cliff.
(this is why I included "smart farkers") - will ignore this as "not helpful due to contrariness".
 
2013-09-30 01:19:47 PM  

mrshowrules: wood0366: Two things:

Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat? To cause the credit rating of a first world country that seems to be the fiscal backbone of the planet slashed seems to be a rather bad idea.

Also, I'm still in the dark as to why 'tax and spend' seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard any compelling reason why this /isn't/ the case.

Canada had its credit rating dropped in the 1980's.  You know how we recovered it?  By raising taxes.


 And that's why Canada is a post-apocalyptic hell hole that completely collapsed during the 2008-09 global economic meltdown.  How are you still able to post?
 
2013-09-30 01:20:27 PM  
floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info
 
2013-09-30 01:32:18 PM  

parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info


There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.
 
2013-09-30 01:33:51 PM  

parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info


It's terrifying. And that it's terrifying is an understatement. The potential for shutting down and then running into a debt ceiling is an unknown. We don't actually know how that would end.

m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/09/not-raising-the-debt-ceili n g-would-be-either-a-disaster-or-a-historical-calamity/280057/
 
2013-09-30 01:35:32 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.


Research "Universal Healthcare" quick!
 
2013-09-30 01:36:38 PM  
I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?
 
2013-09-30 01:36:41 PM  

firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.


The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:05 PM  

Jormungandr: Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.

Research "Universal Healthcare" quick!


It's actually a bug. Just find the a patch that fixes the "ALEC Rules" problem.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:43 PM  

sprawl15: Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.


Sorry, Sprawls.  Which is the which that you are referring to here?  And why do you think it's the right move?
 
2013-09-30 01:39:24 PM  

Shirley Ujest: I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?


DUH.

What do you think the Republicans are fighting against, as we speak?

/favorited!?
 
2013-09-30 01:41:04 PM  

Bontesla: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.


I'm saying, if the President, under the authority of the constitution, authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chair of the Federal Reserve, to acknowledge the debts already authorized by congress via their approval of bills, he can end this seemingly annual idiocy and effectively leave the GOP with a squirt gun for their hostage-taking scenario.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:00 PM  

firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.


That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:58 PM  

Testiclaw: Shirley Ujest: I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?

DUH.

What do you think the Republicans are fighting against, as we speak?

/favorited!?


Oh snap.
 
2013-09-30 01:43:53 PM  
Kuroshin:

/color me shocked

Done.

i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-30 01:44:14 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: sprawl15: Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.

Sorry, Sprawls.  Which is the which that you are referring to here?


do you really need me to explain how this sentence structure works

sprawl15: Pelosi has been arguing for the 14th Amendment solution, but Obama has been pushing back on it. Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.

serious question
 
2013-09-30 01:44:34 PM  

Name_Omitted: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.


wat
 
2013-09-30 01:45:10 PM  

parasol: parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

Aristocles: Alright, stand back everyone, I'll handle this one.

To your first question: nothing.
To your second question: the BOB administration couldn't change a flat tire
To your third: You are correct. It's not gonna happen. The RINOs in the Teaparty and the GOP will cave like they always do. They're not willing to let BOB drive this country off the Grand Canyon.

Okay - your response is "nothing will happen and the nothing won't happen because the GOP won't let the country go off the Grand Canyon".  So, it's nothing but a potential going over a cliff.
(this is why I included "smart farkers") - will ignore this as "not helpful due to contrariness".


He is the new Bevets, only with fewer facts.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:17 PM  

I_C_Weener: Kuroshin:

/color me shocked

Done.


That's terrifying.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:34 PM  

ManateeGag: JusticeandIndependence:

Who is Bob?

Bob Dole.  But what he has to do with all this, I have no idea.


Aw, c'mon guys!  If I have to up my troll ignore levels anymore there won't be ANY thread to read!  I'm already up to ignore/ignore posts with them in it by login name.

Please don't quote that far down cut and paste shiat out!  Pleeeeeeze????

I have the alts (3 or more) for that one guy, all on hold until a month or so from now.  It's much easier to read through a thread and appreciate the posters who can actually contribute something from time to time.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:36 PM  

firefly212: Bontesla: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.

I'm saying, if the President, under the authority of the constitution, authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chair of the Federal Reserve, to acknowledge the debts already authorized by congress via their approval of bills, he can end this seemingly annual idiocy and effectively leave the GOP with a squirt gun for their hostage-taking scenario.


And he's already rejected that idea.
 
2013-09-30 01:49:08 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.


If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.

So quit whining.

/// Being Republican means never having to say you're sorry. Duh.
 
2013-09-30 01:52:04 PM  
... And the ACA goes into effect as planned on Oct. 1st.


Brilliant strategy, GOP... You're like the love child of Rommel and the Duke of Wllington.
 
2013-09-30 01:53:53 PM  

Testiclaw: Name_Omitted: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.

wat


It's a Congressional problem. The Execuitive does not have the authority to solve it, and it would be a shift in constitutional powers for the Execuitive to do so. President Obama is correct in this regard.
 
2013-09-30 01:54:25 PM  

trickymoo: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.

So quit whining.

/// Being Republican means never having to say you're sorry. Duh.


It really means having a platform so weak, and misled that you have to lie to people.
 
2013-09-30 01:56:35 PM  
Only a few more hours left!

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