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(Talking Points Memo)   Will the Senate override the house and pass the health care reform bill as written? Will the Tea Party politicians go through with the threatened shutdown? We find out today. It's your official Government Shutdown Threat thread   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 605
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2013-09-30 01:10:38 PM

Cyclometh: Senate's gonna table the motion at 2 PM Eastern, the House GOP will whargaarbl and the government will shut down at midnight.

I originally predicted 3-5 days of shutdown. I'm upping that now to 2-3 weeks. But the GOP will eventually cave and pass a 3-6 month clean CR.

The big problem is that the debt ceiling is going to come a-callin' before the shutdown's over.


Yeah, I expect the shutdown to last through the debt ceiling fight.  The Teabaggers feel it's the best way now for a true 'starve the beast' plan on the nation.  Mainly due to the fact that money will probably have to be taken from things like the social safety net and regulatory agencies to continue to pay our creditors.  The only thing that would be sacrosanct at that point would be the money they shovel to the MIC.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:54 PM

parasol: how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?


It's a Constitutional conflict. Congress is the sole entity allowed to direct spending and the sole entity allowed to borrow. They're enumerated separately and have been considered separate powers since the country was founded. However, the executive is obligated to spend via full faith and credit.

So either the Executive decides the 14th Amendment means that the power to borrow to meet obligations is implied in the spending bills, they figure out something out of left field like minting a trillion dollar coin, or the Executive just says fark it and lets the government default and let Congress sort out the massive, ridiculous mess. Pelosi has been arguing for the 14th Amendment solution, but Obama has been pushing back on it. Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.
 
2013-09-30 01:11:18 PM

geek_mars: parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

I'm given to understand that tax cuts for the wealthy fixes pretty much everything.


FTFM
 
2013-09-30 01:13:08 PM

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.
 
2013-09-30 01:14:55 PM

born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.


You are forgetting about the Obamacare sign-up.  Once people start signing up it will be much more difficult for Republicans to argue for a repeal.   Every day that passes is another day with people signing up.  That is why they are going ape-shiat today.
 
2013-09-30 01:16:14 PM

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


In order of descending probability

Obama declares the debt ceiling unconstitutional and orders the checks to be signed anyway. Lawsuits are filed, impeachment proceedings begin, constitutional crisis and supreme court derp for everyone.

Obama has the treasury mint a trillion dollar coin or two. Impeachment proceedings begin, inflation goes nuts.

The US straight up defaults. Global economy bursts into flames like a computer with 4 nvidia cards and no fan.
 
2013-09-30 01:17:19 PM
parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

Aristocles: Alright, stand back everyone, I'll handle this one.

To your first question: nothing.
To your second question: the BOB administration couldn't change a flat tire
To your third: You are correct. It's not gonna happen. The RINOs in the Teaparty and the GOP will cave like they always do. They're not willing to let BOB drive this country off the Grand Canyon.


Okay - your response is "nothing will happen and the nothing won't happen because the GOP won't let the country go off the Grand Canyon".  So, it's nothing but a potential going over a cliff.
(this is why I included "smart farkers") - will ignore this as "not helpful due to contrariness".
 
2013-09-30 01:19:47 PM

mrshowrules: wood0366: Two things:

Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat? To cause the credit rating of a first world country that seems to be the fiscal backbone of the planet slashed seems to be a rather bad idea.

Also, I'm still in the dark as to why 'tax and spend' seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard any compelling reason why this /isn't/ the case.

Canada had its credit rating dropped in the 1980's.  You know how we recovered it?  By raising taxes.


 And that's why Canada is a post-apocalyptic hell hole that completely collapsed during the 2008-09 global economic meltdown.  How are you still able to post?
 
2013-09-30 01:20:27 PM
floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info
 
2013-09-30 01:32:18 PM

parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info


There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.
 
2013-09-30 01:33:51 PM

parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info


It's terrifying. And that it's terrifying is an understatement. The potential for shutting down and then running into a debt ceiling is an unknown. We don't actually know how that would end.

m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/09/not-raising-the-debt-ceili n g-would-be-either-a-disaster-or-a-historical-calamity/280057/
 
2013-09-30 01:35:32 PM

Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.


Research "Universal Healthcare" quick!
 
2013-09-30 01:36:38 PM
I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?
 
2013-09-30 01:36:41 PM

firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.


The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:05 PM

Jormungandr: Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.

Research "Universal Healthcare" quick!


It's actually a bug. Just find the a patch that fixes the "ALEC Rules" problem.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:43 PM

sprawl15: Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.


Sorry, Sprawls.  Which is the which that you are referring to here?  And why do you think it's the right move?
 
2013-09-30 01:39:24 PM

Shirley Ujest: I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?


DUH.

What do you think the Republicans are fighting against, as we speak?

/plonk?
 
2013-09-30 01:41:04 PM

Bontesla: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.


I'm saying, if the President, under the authority of the constitution, authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chair of the Federal Reserve, to acknowledge the debts already authorized by congress via their approval of bills, he can end this seemingly annual idiocy and effectively leave the GOP with a squirt gun for their hostage-taking scenario.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:00 PM

firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.


That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:58 PM

Testiclaw: Shirley Ujest: I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?

DUH.

What do you think the Republicans are fighting against, as we speak?

/plonk?


Oh snap.
 
2013-09-30 01:43:53 PM
Kuroshin:

/color me shocked

Done.

i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-30 01:44:14 PM

Soup4Bonnie: sprawl15: Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.

Sorry, Sprawls.  Which is the which that you are referring to here?


do you really need me to explain how this sentence structure works

sprawl15: Pelosi has been arguing for the 14th Amendment solution, but Obama has been pushing back on it. Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.

serious question
 
2013-09-30 01:44:34 PM

Name_Omitted: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.


wat
 
2013-09-30 01:45:10 PM

parasol: parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

Aristocles: Alright, stand back everyone, I'll handle this one.

To your first question: nothing.
To your second question: the BOB administration couldn't change a flat tire
To your third: You are correct. It's not gonna happen. The RINOs in the Teaparty and the GOP will cave like they always do. They're not willing to let BOB drive this country off the Grand Canyon.

Okay - your response is "nothing will happen and the nothing won't happen because the GOP won't let the country go off the Grand Canyon".  So, it's nothing but a potential going over a cliff.
(this is why I included "smart farkers") - will ignore this as "not helpful due to contrariness".


He is the new Bevets, only with fewer facts.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:17 PM

I_C_Weener: Kuroshin:

/color me shocked

Done.


That's terrifying.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:34 PM

ManateeGag: JusticeandIndependence:

Who is Bob?

Bob Dole.  But what he has to do with all this, I have no idea.


Aw, c'mon guys!  If I have to up my troll ignore levels anymore there won't be ANY thread to read!  I'm already up to ignore/ignore posts with them in it by login name.

Please don't quote that far down cut and paste shiat out!  Pleeeeeeze????

I have the alts (3 or more) for that one guy, all on hold until a month or so from now.  It's much easier to read through a thread and appreciate the posters who can actually contribute something from time to time.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:36 PM

firefly212: Bontesla: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.

I'm saying, if the President, under the authority of the constitution, authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chair of the Federal Reserve, to acknowledge the debts already authorized by congress via their approval of bills, he can end this seemingly annual idiocy and effectively leave the GOP with a squirt gun for their hostage-taking scenario.


And he's already rejected that idea.
 
2013-09-30 01:49:08 PM

I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.


If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.

So quit whining.

/// Being Republican means never having to say you're sorry. Duh.
 
2013-09-30 01:52:04 PM
... And the ACA goes into effect as planned on Oct. 1st.


Brilliant strategy, GOP... You're like the love child of Rommel and the Duke of Wllington.
 
2013-09-30 01:53:53 PM

Testiclaw: Name_Omitted: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.

wat


It's a Congressional problem. The Execuitive does not have the authority to solve it, and it would be a shift in constitutional powers for the Execuitive to do so. President Obama is correct in this regard.
 
2013-09-30 01:54:25 PM

trickymoo: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.

So quit whining.

/// Being Republican means never having to say you're sorry. Duh.


It really means having a platform so weak, and misled that you have to lie to people.
 
2013-09-30 01:56:35 PM
Only a few more hours left!

i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-30 01:59:33 PM

trickymoo: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.


lh4.googleusercontent.com

"If you prefer another spending cut target, a non-healthcare one, name the target!"
 
2013-09-30 01:59:48 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 02:03:08 PM

sprawl15: Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.

[i.imgur.com image 585x299]


scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-09-30 02:07:05 PM
Remember me????

www.killthehydra.com
 
2013-09-30 02:08:25 PM

sprawl15: serious question


haha.  Shut up!  I'm working!  and eating and Farking and trying to watch CSpan.

Ok.  Why don't you like Pelosi's idea?
 
2013-09-30 02:15:37 PM

hasty ambush: DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.


Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.


The last time the Republicans played games with the debt ceiling, it lowered America's credit rating. That means our money now costs all of us more. The fact that the Republicans keep trying to hold the debt ceiling hostage shows that we need to stop them in their tracks once and for all. They do not have America's best interest at heart. They are betting against America, and they just keep doing it. If they want a more responsible budget, then they should produce one. (And this is a good place to point out that the budgets they do produce depend on savings from Obamacare, so, at least on some level, they know Obamacare is good for America, too.) The debt ceiling is not the place they should be doing this.

Al Qaeda attacked America, choosing the World Trade Towers in an effort to cripple the American economy. They got three buildings and the lives of nearly 3000 Americans, but they did not get our economy. Right now, Al Qaeda is looking at the Republican Party and saying, "Oh, so THAT'S how you bring down American!" They wish they were the Republican Party. The Republican Party has consistently shown it cares nothing for the best interests of American. In the last dozen years, it has done more to hurt America and its economy than any stated enemy, foreign or domestic. They need to go away, so they can be replaced with a party that is something besides the enemy within.
 
2013-09-30 02:17:17 PM

Soup4Bonnie: haha. Shut up!


pshh

Soup4Bonnie: Why don't you like Pelosi's idea?


Because it overturns a huge amount of precedent on a topic that is probably not judicable due to the inherent contradictory language in the Constitution. Congress has sole power to spend, Congress has sole power to borrow, they are separate powers, and then full faith credit etc. Strictly speaking, too, the entirety of the issue lies with Congress - not the Executive. It's their contradictory pie and they should figure a way out of it.

Practically that kind of thing will obviously make a total shiatshow, but constitutionally speaking it's the most sound.
 
2013-09-30 02:18:43 PM

I_C_Weener: trickymoo: I_C_Weener:

"If you prefer another spending cut target, a non-healthcare one, name the target!"


I'm very glad that you picked Tarkin; You want to show off your perceived power and will blow up any planet/ item that would make a big flashy boom, regardless of repercussions or public opinion.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the [democratically elected] Force
 
2013-09-30 02:18:51 PM
Senate is about to kill the bill, and House R plan is to attach repeal of the individual mandate to the CR.

Here we go!
 
2013-09-30 02:19:26 PM
The Senate just voted to kill the House's CR bill that had the Obamacare attachments.  Your move again, House.
 
2013-09-30 02:21:05 PM

Bontesla: firefly212: Bontesla: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.

I'm saying, if the President, under the authority of the constitution, authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chair of the Federal Reserve, to acknowledge the debts already authorized by congress via their approval of bills, he can end this seemingly annual idiocy and effectively leave the GOP with a squirt gun for their hostage-taking scenario.

And he's already rejected that idea.


IDGAF what he rejects, the constitution is clear, and his rejection didn't/doesn't change that. Push come to shove, when the debt limit comes, and we're hours from sending the whole Global Economy into a tailspin, that idea may look a lot better to him.
 
2013-09-30 02:21:24 PM

Peki: Senate is about to kill the bill, and House R plan is to attach repeal of the individual mandate to the CR.

Here we go!


The Senate should keep that and attach another rider that puts all uninsured people on Medicare. Single Payer here we come!
 
2013-09-30 02:23:10 PM

odinsposse: The Senate should keep that and attach another rider that puts all uninsured people on Medicare. Single Payer here we come!


yup! that would be awesome.

/besides, the individual mandate was a republican idea anyway.
 
2013-09-30 02:23:51 PM

firefly212: Push come to shove, when the debt limit comes, and we're hours from sending the whole Global Economy into a tailspin, that idea may look a lot better to him.


I don't think he has the stones to do it.  He's a wimp.
 
2013-09-30 02:24:33 PM

KellyX: sprawl15: Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.

[i.imgur.com image 585x299]

[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x540]


Great game, or greatest game?  I was playing it not 30 minutes ago!  Playing Pachacuti.
 
2013-09-30 02:27:35 PM

quizzical: The Senate just voted to kill the House's CR bill that had the Obamacare attachments.  Your move again, House.


How many times is that now? I lost track. But I'm sure that next time will be the time it totally works.
 
2013-09-30 02:27:58 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: firefly212: Push come to shove, when the debt limit comes, and we're hours from sending the whole Global Economy into a tailspin, that idea may look a lot better to him.

I don't think he has the stones to do it.  He's a wimp.


Hell, I would have the coin minted, and bring it to the negotiations. Tell them to convince me NOT to walk over to the fed and deposit it, and start a kitchen timer for 30 minutes.
 
2013-09-30 02:31:20 PM

Publikwerks: LouDobbsAwaaaay: firefly212: Push come to shove, when the debt limit comes, and we're hours from sending the whole Global Economy into a tailspin, that idea may look a lot better to him.

I don't think he has the stones to do it.  He's a wimp.

Hell, I would have the coin minted, and bring it to the negotiations. Tell them to convince me NOT to walk over to the fed and deposit it, and start a kitchen timer for 30 minutes.


Just think of the collector's value alone! The largest and only coin like it in existence. Provided that they never remove it from the box of course.
 
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