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(Talking Points Memo)   Will the Senate override the house and pass the health care reform bill as written? Will the Tea Party politicians go through with the threatened shutdown? We find out today. It's your official Government Shutdown Threat thread   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 571
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2013-09-30 11:54:47 AM  

Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"


Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.
 
2013-09-30 11:56:27 AM  

Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!


What about the caddy who has the opportunity to work for Obama while golfing? How many jobs were lost when President Bush insisted on maintaining his brush for the 1000+ vacation days he took?
 
2013-09-30 11:58:21 AM  

Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.


You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.
 
2013-09-30 12:00:05 PM  

SlothB77: You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama


So the Republicans are shutting down the government for our own good?
 
2013-09-30 12:03:02 PM  
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2013-09-30 12:03:43 PM  

DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.



Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.
 
2013-09-30 12:05:20 PM  

hasty ambush: DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.


Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.


Context is important. What sort of state was the economy in to begin with at that point?
 
2013-09-30 12:05:48 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: SlothB77: You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama

So the Republicans are shutting down the government for our own good?


they didn't want to hit us, but it was for our own good.
 
2013-09-30 12:06:06 PM  

sprawl15: SlothB77: If you don't have the money in the first place, don't eat the food.

Do you mean "order" the food or have you just never eaten somewhere that isn't a buffet?


because the GOP makes a big deal out of it, people who don't normally pay attention to this political budget stuff - and politics doesn't get any less sexy or interesting than budget debates - are saying to themselves at home 'boy, they sure do raise the debt limit a lot.  that is a pretty big number.'
 
2013-09-30 12:07:30 PM  

hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.


No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.
 
2013-09-30 12:10:35 PM  

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.


Ah so you're also opposed to recent history, too. Whenever you see the spend by party from Carter onward - do you just burrow your head? How do you reconcile your imaginary world with reality?
 
2013-09-30 12:11:19 PM  
Well, the markets are reeling globally already.

The last shut down in the 90s lowered American GDP by half a percentage point before it was resolved and the US economy is not in as good shape now as it was then.

Also the global markets then didn't have the cautionary example we have now of the last time the GOP held the debt ceiling bill hostage in the back of their minds.

This could get very ugly indeed.
 
2013-09-30 12:13:32 PM  
Dear Republicans:
michaelgraham.com

i1.ytimg.com
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY. TAKE BACK THE SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE AND THEN REPEAL THE ACA. OR PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE WHICH IS NOT THE EXACT SAME BILL (BUT SUBMITTED BY YOU). UNTIL THEN STFU AND GBTW.

/is the ACA perfect? No. Single-payer would have been better. But the ACA is better than nothing.
//end rant
 
2013-09-30 12:13:52 PM  
Hasty Ambush: Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it

yes because the democrats alone approve spending and the budget to cover it.
and also because raising the debt ceiling is JUST like cutting costs to the budget

 a "pinprick" the US economy is how much? is it more or less than the 2 billion it costs JUST to shut the government down?  those pinpricks? they do add up

still waiting for the total cost of attempts to repeal the ACA - LOTS of pinpricks there
 
2013-09-30 12:14:59 PM  

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.


You know that. Because you made it up.

In reality Democrats tend to spend less than Republicans. Increase the debt to use as leverage against programs we don't like is a stated GOP strategy since Reagan.
 
2013-09-30 12:16:12 PM  

quatchi: This could get very ugly indeed.


It's already ugly.

"Because of the uncertainty of budget constraints and a possible government shutdown, the 1457th [Engineer Battalion] will transport vehicles and equipment to work sites and then return to Utah. Once funding issues have been resolved, which is anticipated to be the first week of October, approximately 120 soldiers of the 1457th will return to Colorado to complete their mission," the Utah National Guard said in a statement released late Tuesday.

John Boehner asks that you hold off any more disasters until they sort out this whole financing the government thingie. Disaster relief needs to be appropriated. Thanks bunches!
 
2013-09-30 12:19:26 PM  

Bontesla: hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.

No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.


I'll be working.  The people that send my checks won't though.  So that's always lovely.  Not sure what's better, not working and run the risk of no backpay, or work and have the same financial issues + gas and everything else with no opportunity to make some of that money back (was going to carpool students to and from the private school my exchange student goes to for like 50 bucks a week per person), and then have everyone get backpay so no vacation for me.

And who knows what will happen to my wife's family.  Her brother is supposed to become a us citizen I think Friday and she has some sort of fingerprint interview to get closer to hers mid oct.
 
2013-09-30 12:20:34 PM  

hasty ambush: Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall economy.


First, the 28 days was cumulative between two separate shutdowns, one of 6 days, and one of 22 days.

Second, the longer shutdown mostly overlapped the Christmas/New Year holiday season, when many government workers wouldn't have been in the office anyway.  They just didn't get paid.

I wouldn't use that as an absolute analogue for what a prolonged shutdown might mean now.
 
2013-09-30 12:21:56 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: John Boehner asks that you hold off any more disasters until they sort out this whole financing the government thingie. Disaster relief needs to be appropriated. Thanks bunches!


okie dokie.  My earthquake machine will be off until you guys figure stuff out.  Then it's FULL POWER!
 
2013-09-30 12:22:47 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: cwolf20


Shh.  My influence spreads faster if people aren't warned
 
2013-09-30 12:23:59 PM  

Aristocles: I've done no such thing, and I defy anyone to prove otherwise.


Google made advanced search tougher. Not that I care enough to spend the time looking up your posts on Fark.
 
2013-09-30 12:25:07 PM  

SlothB77: That is a little different than spending money on pork


Halliiburton and KBR lined their pockets on that debacle quite nicely, thank you very much,.
 
2013-09-30 12:26:15 PM  
Kuroshin: I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.

btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.

Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.

Explain how that works, if you don't mind...


Still waiting...

/color me shocked
 
2013-09-30 12:27:00 PM  
Two things:

Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat? To cause the credit rating of a first world country that seems to be the fiscal backbone of the planet slashed seems to be a rather bad idea.

Also, I'm still in the dark as to why 'tax and spend' seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard any compelling reason why this /isn't/ the case.
 
2013-09-30 12:27:47 PM  

Aristocles: fight back against a tyrant like BOB.


Bob the Tyrant.  Sounds good, where is this Bob guy?
 
2013-09-30 12:29:36 PM  
Is it strange to think we could buy a couple less jet fighters and the ACA would be paid for?
 
2013-09-30 12:31:40 PM  
FunkyBlue: s it strange to think we could buy a couple less jet fighters and the ACA would be paid for?

no more than the agreement to do away with the medical device tax portion of the ACA - which was intended to help make it self-supporting.
 
2013-09-30 12:32:01 PM  

Aristocles: Paris1127: Dear Republicans:
[michaelgraham.com image 526x471]

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY. TAKE BACK THE SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE AND THEN REPEAL THE ACA. OR PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE WHICH IS NOT THE EXACT SAME BILL (BUT SUBMITTED BY YOU). UNTIL THEN STFU AND GBTW.

/is the ACA perfect? No. Single-payer would have been better. But the ACA is better than nothing.
//end rant

Actually, this is exactly how the FOUNDING Fathers wanted the United States of AMERICA's government to work. They wanted to make it as hard as possible for the central gov't to inflict anti-Freedom, repressive laws. This is just the first time you've seen the government exploiting all of its tools to fight back against a tyrant like BOB.


Actually the first time a party went all in on using the house to wreck the budget to get their way it was Democrats demanding an end to a prolonged and unpopular military occupation which they saw as illegal.

/A little more justifiable than a bit of regulatory faff, I guess.
 
2013-09-30 12:32:42 PM  
Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.
 
2013-09-30 12:34:32 PM  

BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.


Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF
 
2013-09-30 12:34:59 PM  

wood0366: Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat?


While they are gearing up for it, this is not the fight over the debt ceiling yet.  This is still over the continued funding of the government since Congress hasn't been able to pass a budget since Obama took office.

Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.
 
2013-09-30 12:36:04 PM  

wxboy: hasty ambush: Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall economy.

First, the 28 days was cumulative between two separate shutdowns, one of 6 days, and one of 22 days.

Second, the longer shutdown mostly overlapped the Christmas/New Year holiday season, when many government workers wouldn't have been in the office anyway.  They just didn't get paid.

I wouldn't use that as an absolute analogue for what a prolonged shutdown might mean now.


We should also note that during that shutdown - 3 appropriations bills had already passed. The shutdown did not affect the items already funded in those bills.
 
2013-09-30 12:39:15 PM  

hammer85: Bontesla: hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.

No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.

I'll be working.  The people that send my checks won't though.  So that's always lovely.  Not sure what's better, not working and run the risk of no backpay, or work and have the same financial issues + gas and everything else with no opportunity to make some of that money back (was going to carpool students to and from the private school my exchange student goes to for like 50 bucks a week per person), and then have everyone get backpay so no vacation for me.

And who knows what will happen to my wife's family.  Her brother is supposed to become a us citizen I think Friday and she has some sort of fingerprint interview to get closer to hers mid oct.


Even if the kind folks who work the payroll volunteer their services - the debt ceiling debate is only weeks away. Your potential for pay will likely end right there.
 
2013-09-30 12:39:22 PM  
Voiceofreason01:

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

I am willing to bet all those things, just with like Social Security, can be done with fewer people that currently assigned.  It is interesting how technology has allowed the private sector to reduce  the number of people performing administrative functions  bookkeepers, secretarial /typing pools, file clerks  etc.  but not so for government-why is that?    And I am not particularly upset that government employees might have to take out their own trash.

More Americans work for the government [22.5 million]  than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. . Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments [FY2010] is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Imagine what it is on the Federal level.

Lets us look at a few things

The Dept. of Agriculture has besides a Secretary has a Deputy Secretary and 7 Under Secretaries (all of whom have personal staffs) along with  20 other agencies/services and "corporations".. Many of which overlap functions  done by  Depts of State, Commerce, Interior, HUD and HHS.

The Department of Defense is even worse with 36 Assistant, Deputy Secretaries, and Directors.  This is not even counting what eh Depts of the Army , Navy and Air Force have.

Want to look at Homeland Security and  HHS?

Go ahead and argue that we don't have a lot of excess overhead in government.
 
2013-09-30 12:39:46 PM  

Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF


I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.
 
2013-09-30 12:40:47 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.


That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.
 
2013-09-30 12:43:39 PM  

BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF

I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.


*shrug* I've never liked 4chan. But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.
 
2013-09-30 12:44:13 PM  

BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.


A lot of the trolling is from the mods themselves.
 
2013-09-30 12:45:36 PM  

Wooly Bully: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

A lot of the trolling is from the mods themselves.


I've been getting that impression lately myself.  that makes it even sadder.
 
2013-09-30 12:45:50 PM  

born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.


Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.
 
2013-09-30 12:46:09 PM  

Peki: Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.


Who's holding the gun to your head, making you post in these forums?
 
2013-09-30 12:46:19 PM  
Logic in Republican land.

s5.postimg.org
 
2013-09-30 12:46:36 PM  
It seems a big problem with all of this is that the tea party rank and file seem to think that letting the US default on the debt ceiling is just another way of cutting the budget.  This causes me to wonder if the tea party congress members also think that.

If so, they might not only be blindly steering the world towards another economic disaster, they might think that because everyone but them doesn't want it, it won't be so bad to drive over that cliff.
 
2013-09-30 12:46:39 PM  

Peki: But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.


Uhh, b*tching about trolls and mods is part of Fark, too. If you don't like it, maybe you're the one who should leave.
 
2013-09-30 12:47:51 PM  

elchip: Peki: Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

Who's holding the gun to your head, making you post in these forums?


yeah, if you don't like Elchip's troll alt, you don't have to come to Fark and read it.
 
2013-09-30 12:48:50 PM  
Have the Dems considered allowing the GOP to defund Obama care but in exchange, lower the medicare eligibility age to zero years old?
 
2013-09-30 12:49:36 PM  

Aristocles: Notabunny: Aristocles: Notabunny: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

Government employees are leeches. What with their mortgages, and car loans, and all the money they spend on food, and clothing, and sending their kids to school, government employees are nothing but a drain on the economy. I'll bet those leeches even spend money on vacations and save money for retirement.

No, they're not. But, there's no reason the government should somehow be shielded from the economic realities that folks in the private sector face and have been facing for the past 5 years.

/govt contractor

Such as?

You know, like being forced to downsize, not getting raises, having to work longer hours with no overtime pay, having to compete to keep your job, facing the risk of going out of business do to lack of demand, etc. etc. and whatnot.


1. My agency (a branch of the USDA) did get budget cuts and do not fill jobs. Most agencies will leave jobs "vacant" sometimes so they can fill them in a hurry in some cases, but in this case, in TX alone, there was a 20% reduction.
2. We do not get overtime except in special circumstances.
3. We have not had a cost of living increase in 4 years. I don't complain however, I get paid pretty well, considering, and while I do get a "pay raise" in certain increments, so does the private sector. I got pay raises working at vet clinics, for godssake. So we shouldn't get payraises in the government sector because why again????...
4. We constantly have this risk of going out of business, due to these dumbass government shutdown scare tactics, this has happened twice since I signed on permanently.
5. We get shat upon too, sir.
6. There is no 6.
 
2013-09-30 12:50:21 PM  

ManateeGag: yeah, if you don't like Elchip's troll alt, you don't have to come to Fark and read it.


Considering the quality of this year's troll harvest, ol' narrowcranium makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
 
2013-09-30 12:50:25 PM  
The Smithsonian will be closed. National Archives, too. As well as the Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division. School lunch programs will run dry. WIC will be unavailable. Compensation for veterans will also run dry after October. Active military personnel would also see a suspension of pay when the funds run run dry in October. But don't worry - Congress will continue to receive their paychecks.

All of this for what? Even with a shutdown - the insurance marketplaces will be open October 1st.
 
2013-09-30 12:51:16 PM  

hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01:

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

I am willing to bet all those things, just with like Social Security, can be done with fewer people that currently assigned.  It is interesting how technology has allowed the private sector to reduce  the number of people performing administrative functions  bookkeepers, secretarial /typing pools, file clerks  etc.  but not so for government-why is that?    And I am not particularly upset that government employees might have to take out their own trash.

More Americans work for the government [22.5 million]  than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. . Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments [FY2010] is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Imagine what it is on the Federal level.

Lets us look at a few things

The Dept. of Agriculture has besides a Secretary has a Deputy Secretary and 7 Under Secretaries (all of whom have personal staffs) along with  20 other agencies/services and "corporations".. Many of which overlap functions  done by  Depts of State, Commerce, Interior, HUD and HHS.

The Department of Defense is even worse with 36 Assistant, Deputy Secretaries, and Directors.  This is not even counting what eh Depts of the Army , Navy and Air Force have.

Want to look at Homeland Security and  HHS?

Go ahead and argue that we don't have a lot of excess overhead in government.


You think that because you are poorly informed in the case of Social Security. SSA has been doing an RIF through attrition for many years with very few new hires. There was overtime every week this past fiscal year because there was so much work to do and not enough bodies to do it. SSA is down to the bone and was expecting to do a ton of furloughs this year anyway and its only gonna get worse.

Former comissioner astrue stated after he left that for every dollar given to Social Security to do disability reviews, the government saves four. Yet no one wants to give them money. Why? Because they want the government to fail. They want it to seem the government is incompetent by cutting the number of workers and complaining they are falling behind despite much larger workloads associated with population growth.

It is like saying that your water cooling system in your high powered gaming computer doesn't work when you don't put water in it because the water is so expensive.
 
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